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Sandwich

00:13

They starved

Its a brutal sandwich

Also

In real life Flint and steel is a shitty way to start a fire

A Magnifying glass is waaaay better

Adeptus

00:27

(Keith Flint, from the Prodigy, disagrees with you)

Miniman

@Adeptus We should all talk a lot so he leaves our FOV ASAP.

Adeptus

Not a fan, I take it?

Miniman

@Adeptus No.

That's just me, obviously.

doppelgreener

00:45

@Sandwich you can use those in the dark though

Adeptus

oooh... Reaper are about to launch two Kickstarters: Bones III, and Legendary Encounters (pre-painted minis)

wax eagle

@Adeptus oh wow, they're doing an LE KS? dang

Adeptus

Yep, not sure when. They mention it in their email newsletter. I know the Bones one starts July 7

Miniman

Super awkward moments - realising your 28 score answer contains details that are 100% wrong.

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wax eagle

@Adeptus for some reason I seem to have been dropped from their mailing list (Been a while since my last order)....any chance they link an HTML version from the newsletter?

(and there is less hyperventalating on their forum than I'd expect to see with that announcement)

Adeptus

01:10

> Legendary Encounters Kickstarter

In 2007 we launched our first plastics line, Legendary Encounters. These were pre-painted, non random, non-blind miniatures packaged in our standard visible blisters. You could see what you were getting, and always get the right one. The only problem was, the process of making new molds was expensive, and we coudn't keep up.

In 2011, we used Kickstarter to successfully create the BONES line of miniatures, creating over a hundred new molds for over 300 new plastic figures. But in the back of our mind, we always knew that the Legendary Encounters pre-paint…

no HTML version link that I can see

wax eagle

that's fine, Bryan used to post them in the forum, but hasn't in a while (he's a busy dude). Very cool to see that they are going to do that, they haven't been in regular stock since Bones 1 dropped

Miniman

That sounds awesome - I would never buy prepainted miniatures, and I'm not a fan of the randomised booster pack system (because it's friggin stupid).

wax eagle

@Miniman LE isn't random

so it's non-rando plastic prepaints

Miniman

@waxeagle That's why I said it sounds awesome.

wax eagle

ah, gotcha

yeah, not sure if I'd go in for prepaints or not, mooks are good painting practice

Adeptus

01:26

I have a love-hate relationship with painting minis. I kind of like it, but don't often have the time these days, and it can get frustrating trying to get the details how I want them. So, if I can get them already with a decent paint job, at a reasonable price, I'm interested.

(not that I really need more minis, we have a boxful already)

wax eagle

yeah, that's my thing with bones 3, I don't really need more (and though I only have a very small collection, it's all still white plastic), but I have some pretty big gabs that Bones 3 should be able to fille

doppelgreener

@Miniman I once happened upon an old answer to find it was vacant of any genuine help for the asker. But it sounded smart and wise. I deleted it.

(In your case you might have a more recoverable answer, haha)

Sandwich

I dont have any minis

Aside from some old Fantasy Clix anyway

wax eagle

@Sandwich well then, keep an eye on Kickstarter in early July :)

you'll be able to purchase a great number of lovely high detail white plastic figs for about $100

(plus more for add ons)

doppelgreener

noooo

be not seduced by the minis

there is no way to ever have enough minis

wax eagle

01:33

true, and if you finish painting all your minis, you die

doppelgreener

you will have so many minis and then you'll have that encounter where you need five zombies and you only have four and you don't want to use the mole-rat or the hobo for the fifth.

same goes for dungeon tiles really

Sandwich

We just use quarters and pennies

doppelgreener

dungeon tiles and minis are like the cursed sandwich of gaming props

the more you have, the more you need more

Miniman

@doppelgreener Yeah, it was a few technically inaccurate details, it was overall useful and helpful.

(Or at least, I think so.)

wax eagle

@doppelgreener yeah, I'm torn on dungeon tiles. At least for now going to stick with the highly versatile tact-tiles i bought

Miniman

01:39

@doppelgreener I bought the 2 easily accessible tilesets from Amazon, and I doubt I'll ever look for more.

Minis are a different issue though; I bought one box, found myself thoroughly disgusted with the booster pack thing, and swore never again.

Sandwich

I'm a pretty great artist

So I just have a really large gaming mat that I draw on with erase markers

Miniman

@Sandwich I'm the exact opposite of that

Sandwich

@miniman Nobody's perfect

My flaw is that I'm too blunt

I'm abrasive, sometimes rude at times. But I can get a point across.

I have a no-nonsense DM style that just murders rules lawyers

And everyone is afraid to eat

Because of cursed sandwiches

Its fun to put curses on items that aren't normally cursed

Really catches people off guard

Shalvenay

yeah, whereas I'm a "toss the DM screen in the garbage can" sort of guy, at least at a table

I'm pretty good at working with rules lawyers though ;) choices aren't binary, after all

doppelgreener

@Miniman Which are those?

Shalvenay

01:51

I'll rules lawyer sometimes if it works -- I'm just as happy rule0-ing things in some cases as I have a fairly strong sim-sense

I could use someone to DM my test 3.5e dungeon back at me though...;)

Miniman

@doppelgreener I'd link, but I'm at work. If you search D&D tiles I think they're the only ones that come up, anyway.

Only on main Amazon, of course. Australian Amazon is as useless as always.

doppelgreener

@Miniman There's an Australian Amazon?

Miniman

@doppelgreener It's a lot like this:

Let me just scroll down and check behind that rock. Annnnd ... nope, page copyright year starts with '19'. Oh God, is this a WEBRING?

Sandwich

Every country has an amazon in the civilized world doppel

Shalvenay

@Miniman -- yeah, I know that feeling

doppelgreener

02:00

@Sandwich I thought it was just the USA one and the UK one.

I just reminded myself of some characters from Endymion and went TT___TT a little on the inside

wax eagle

looks like there are 6 official ones: amazon.com/gp/entertainment/international

check that, that's just the entertainment sites

doppelgreener

Australia... isn't on here?

wax eagle

they're in the footer on this page: amazon.com/gp/feature.html?docId=487250

doppelgreener

> Your search "gurren lagann sound track" did not match any products.

the product currently being shipped to me from amazon.com

WELP. looks like Miniman's kinda right.

wax eagle

yep

i've run into some folks on gardening trying to use the germany site, with...less than stellar results

doppelgreener

02:03

Wow there are only four results for Gurren Lagann at all. Two of them are puzzle games and another isn't even Gurren Lagann.

Pixie

Wow.

Sandwich

Kind of sounds like the Magic item selection in a hamlet over there

Pixie

The only Amazon I have experience with other than main Amazon is Amazon.co.jp. Never ordered, but I know how to browse it, kinda. Still annoyed I can't buy mp3s there, but I understand why. :v

doppelgreener

@Sandwich i'm amusing myself thinking of these scenarios now.

Adeptus

02:19

@doppelgreener It has Kindle eBooks, and Android apps. That's it, I think.

Shalvenay

@Sandwich -- xD yes

doppelgreener

@Sandwich "Here's a magic stick. That'll be three quid." "That isn't a magic item!" "Sure it is. Fred threw it the other week, and it went way further than any other stick ever. It's gotta be magic." "That's because it's a javeline!" "Oh! That'd explain why it's so straight and pointy! Hey Fred! It was a javeline!" (down the street: "Is it a magic javeline?") "Apparently no! Welp, sorry for your trouble. Want a javeline? Two quid."

Shalvenay

@doppelgreener -- LOL!

doppelgreener

Actually we could probably have an entire Monty Python skit around this scenario.

Maybe not that precise one, but certainly trying to buy a magic item in a hamlet.

Shalvenay

well, my EVE main can actually relate -- he once ran a constellation out of Fusion M ammo. :P

having to shoot the wrong ammo type for day-to-day PvE rather sucks.

doppelgreener

02:23

@Shalvenay I am aware of what all these words mean but not when placed in this precise combination and order

Shalvenay

@doppelgreener think of having to fight through DR on fey because no bowyer in the area had cold iron arrows for sale, despite them being normally in stock in most parts of the land

and your DM refuses to stop hurling evil fey at you

Pixie

I'm suddenly reminded of the Holy Grail in Dexter's Laboratory.

doppelgreener

@Pixie Oh? Do tell?

@Shalvenay ouch

Pixie

@doppelgreener Not so much not-actually-magic as entirely-useless-magic. Let me see if I can find a clip...

Sandwich

Heh heh

You'll find a stick that can use spark once a day

Shalvenay

02:28

@doppelgreener -- and the reason why they ran out is because you bought them all and they won't order any more

Sandwich

( Flint and steel )

Shalvenay

despite your continued demand for them

Sandwich

Or perhaps a bone whistle that makes ghost sounds ( Like the spell Ghost sound )

Shalvenay

worse yet, you bring down the instructions for making some, but you can't do anything with them because you don't have permission to use the smithy

Sandwich

Or a liquid that freezes things you pour it on

Or some silver tape you can use to bind two pieces of an item together that broke cleanly

Pixie

02:31

Darn, I cannot find the clip. It's from the episode D&DD, which I highly recommend. Dexter is the worst kind of DM, so his friends vote that his sister Deedee run the game even though she knows nothing about it. Everyone has way more fun. :v

doppelgreener

@Pixie Eeeexcellent

I'll try to find this one then.

Sandwich

The last boss was a pinata

Pixie

It's one of my favorites.

Sandwich

They broke it and candy sprayed everywhere

Then they failed their fort save vs. cavities and BAM, no teeth

doppelgreener

wow XD

brutal.

Sandwich

02:36

The last thing didnt happen

They didnt have saves

They just lost all their teeth

Well I'm going to bed, catch you guys tomorrow

Grubermensch

02:48

@waxeagle I'm available for this Thursday's game, but only for two hours. Early flight Friday morning.

wax eagle

@Grubermensch Ok, I may end up cancelling work has the potential to get really hairy this week and I have family coming in town this weekend

at this point we're still go, but I'll know more tomorrow probably

Grubermensch

@waxeagle Ok sounds good. It's best if I know by 3pm PST day of, so I don't miss the window for ordering dinner at work.

wax eagle

@Grubermensch gotcha, will have a decision one way or t'other by tomorrow afternoon.

Grubermensch

Sounds good

Shalvenay

03:04

got it @waxeagle

doppelgreener

It's been a while since we last had a Cool RPG Stuff post, and I figure I should post one and get BESW to pin it when he's next here. Is there any Cool Stuff going on the RPG-sphere?

wax eagle

@doppelgreener not sure, the thing I'm most immediately aware of doens't start for a few weeks yet.

I'm not in any KS right now, though there is one my wife is in that looks really cool (but it's more ARG than RPG)

kickstarter.com/projects/jkapalka/…

the first round of errata for 5e came out...don't know if that's relevant

doppelgreener

@waxeagle that is definitely news at least!

wax eagle

just pinned Brian's good bye message, feel like that should stick longer than a simple star.

doppelgreener

@waxeagle i agree :)

[bangs some pots and pans] @Shalvenay @Gruber @Sandwich @Pixie @adeptus @Miniman Is there stuff going on in the RPG-o-sphere that we should stick up here pinned?

Miniman

03:16

@doppelgreener Not that I know of, but I keep a very close eye on D&D 5e news and almost no eye whatsoever on other RPG news.

doppelgreener

Patreons and other things might also count.

Pixie

@doppelgreener Can't think of anything, but I'll be sure to mention it if come across something of interest.

doppelgreener

We might just be having a slow news ... month

Welp, there's no excitement this month, everyone go home

Pixie

Oh, there is the Part Time Gods of Fate kickstarter.

doppelgreener

Ooooo.

Pixie

03:26

They have their beta out already, but I haven't gotten a chance to go through it yet.

doppelgreener

I'm going to try this out.

Pixie

It definitely looks like something I'd be interested in.

I was poking around Thingiverse, and [flails]. 3D printed ball-jointed dragon.

doppelgreener

@Pixie is this.... a 3D printer blueprint archive?

Pixie

It's so pretty, too. I can hardly believe they're giving this design away instead of selling it.

@doppelgreener It is! I just stumbled upon it.

doppelgreener

This is beautiful.

Pixie

03:35

I found it when I discovered these miniatures.

doppelgreener

@Pixie there needs to be a "miniatures" category in there... alas, just collections

Pixie

@doppelgreener Definitely.

I need to look into getting that dragon printed, though. I've never done or had done any 3D printing before, but I'm in love with it.

doppelgreener

**Cool RPG stuff:**
[Bundle of Holding - Crime Noir, Freeport, Cthulhu](http://bundleofholding.com "buy RPGs cheap in bulk, support charities & indie designers!");
[Part Time Gods](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eloylasanta/part-time-gods-of-fate-from-third-eye-games "Be modern-day gods, and attempt to maintain your normal life. Or don't!") (and [its beta](http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/150306/PartTime-Gods-of-Fate "a pay-what-you-want-including-free ebook"));
[Thingiverse](http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=miniature "3D models ready for printing");

That might do for now.

@wax Could I have a pin?

the third one is not strictly RPG except for those of us that have 3D printers. (Not me!) But I am clearly corrupted by power.

Pixie

I think it's of interest, given that there seem to be a good number of minis available.

doppelgreener

Yeah

Miniman

03:40

@doppelgreener Your link formatting looks a little wacky.

doppelgreener

@Miniman it'll work out in the sidebar.

Miniman

@doppelgreener Ah, right.

Adeptus

04:05

@doppelgreener Well, the afore-mentioned Reaper Minis KS's aren't active yet... Oh! Free RPG Day may be worth mentioning - it's this Saturday. freerpgday.com

Pixie

@Adeptus Man! No one near me participating. :c

Miniman

04:30

@Pixie I just found an RPG store I didn't know about!

Pixie

@Miniman Oh?

Wait, I misread that as "an RPG I didn't know about." xD

Adeptus

04:54

@Pixie Tell me about it. My nearest participating store is ~8-10 hours drive away. Don't think I'm going that far :P

Pixie

@Adeptus I think mine is around 100 miles off.

BESW

05:37

@doppelgreener Hmwha?

doppelgreener

**Cool RPG stuff:**
[Free RPG Day on June 20](http://www.freerpgday.com/ "Grab some free RPG stuff in your local area");
[Part Time Gods](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eloylasanta/part-time-gods-of-fate-from-third-eye-games "Be modern-day gods, and attempt to maintain your normal life. Or don't!") ([beta](http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/150306/PartTime-Gods-of-Fate "a pay-what-you-want-including-free ebook"));
[Bundle of Holding - Crime Noir, Freeport, Cthulhu](http://bundleofholding.com "buy RPGs cheap in bulk, support charities & indie designers!");

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@BESW pin! ^

pl0x

BESW

You linked... poorly.

Miniman

[feels vindicated]

doppelgreener

I did.

YES.

perfect. it all fit.

and only just.

BESW

Wait 'til the "time ago" bit gets a little longer.

doppelgreener

05:46

@Miniman i copied and pasted the original with its truncated links instead of pasting in the full ones. it was fine originally i think. no vindication for you! [revokes]

@BESW NOOOO

@BESW Also look at that part time gods thing! I want to try out this part time gods thing. (I have not read the PDF yet. But I will.)

BESW

Remind me when I'm back on Guam in a couple days, eh?

I'm not quite in that kind of brain right now.

"How long can I bless werewolf urine for?" -@UrsulaV #dnd

Tweeted by RebelsHeart on June 16, 2015 at 2:43 AM

doppelgreener

@BESW Sure!

BESW

Thanks.

doppelgreener

@BESW This is a deeply important question.

BESW

This trip has been awesome, and my brains are in unusual spaces. It's probably good overall, though.

doppelgreener

05:51

Awesome. :)

BESW

@RebelsHeart @UrsulaV I suspect the answer is "as long as you dare"

Tweeted by Krin_o_o_ on June 16, 2015 at 5:19 AM in reply to RebelsHeart

doppelgreener

@BESW excellent answer

@BESW Fill me in later if we bump into each other at a good time. (I finish up work in an hour or two.)

Wibbs

07:07

Do we have a conveient meta question/answer explaining why artificially broadening the scope of a question is generally a bad idea and invites poor quality answers?

Miniman

@Wibbs We do, but it wasn't well received.

Wibbs

Hmmm. The issue comes up to often, it would be helpful to be able to link to one in comments

Miniman

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Q: Should I use a narrow system tag, or go broad if possible and use system-agnostic?

I am playing D&D 4e and I have a question about how I can create an excellent pirate adventure. Since people have pirate adventures in other RPG systems, and Stack Exchange is about useful answers, should I tag my question with dungeons-and-dragons or maybe system-agnostic in order to cover a wid...

Wibbs

@Miniman see what you mean:os

not very conclusive or clear

Miniman

@Wibbs Interesting...I thought it was quite a good reference question to have, when I said it wasn't well received I didn't mean me.

Wibbs

07:12

I guess it seems a very, very long winded way of saying something pretty straightforward and simple

Miniman

@Wibbs Yeah, but imagine how "Stop tagging system-agnostic when it isn't really!" would have been received.

Wibbs

lol, fair enough

doppelgreener

08:17

@Wibbs I'd be interested to see your answer.

@Miniman my pet peeve is treating the system agonistic tag as a hard override. System matters.

@Miniman as for this question I was never very satisfied by it. It didn't have the reception or results I wanted. It is very hard to say anything about how the tag gets used or identify what it is about it that is genuinely a problem.

Wow, I just read that unarmed strike fallout thing. So unarmed strikes aren't listed as weapons and get used instead of weapons, but they can be used in weapon attacks, despite not being weapons. What the heck.

Wibbs

08:41

@doppelgreener It's been pretty much covered by a combination of the other answers tbh, so I'm not going to add it

doppelgreener

09:10

@Wibbs okay.

I think articulating my answer gave me a headache.

This is so difficult to express.

Let alone eloquently.

Wibbs

09:25

indeed

my answer would have boiled down to 'if you signpost the dangers and give the PCs the opportunity to detect them and react then fine. If its a complete suprise with no opportunity for PCs to do anything then really not'

doppelgreener

yeah that seems to be more or less what the first answer's getting at

doppelgreener

10:35

@Wibbs by the way, I have some concern I might've lead you astray with my comment, and lead you to not post an answer - then I went and deleted my comment and posted one myself, and now you have decided not to. I apologise if it's as I imagine it.

Wibbs

10:49

@doppelgreener no, not at all :)

I actually don't have all that much experience of running sandbox style games, so I was in two minds as to whether to post anyway

doppelgreener

Alright, that is reassuring to hear from you.

The Oracle

12:14

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Q: Any objections to burninating the [random] tag?

Unless anyone has any objections or wants to salvage/synonym random somehow, I'm going to burninate it in a couple of days. Randomness itself doesn't seem like a useful area of expertise, and the tag isn't well-used. It gets used beside generator and encounter-tables a lot and in a couple of que...

discussion tags burninate-request

trogdor

there is a random tag?

that seems counter to site goals

doppelgreener

12:32

it does seem to have issues!

trogdor

I mean, it seems this site's whole ethos is about being clear about what your question actually is, ditto for answers

putting a tag called "random" seems like it just doesn't fit

Magician

whatevs

a computing pun

well, if it's intended to be a tag about... questions relating to random numbers or something similar?

trogdor

that makes a certain amount of sense then I guess

Magician

i-guess

trogdor

12:37

@Magician you and your foul magics

a computing pun

You seem to be confusing tags with hashtags.

Magician

foul-magics

#

a computing pun

A few days ago I was at a train station and saw an advertisement for a new network for social media, which appeared to focus upon hashtags, except they used the ~ symbol rather than the # symbol.

It called them "dashtags".

Magician

...

A new social media network. They're going to have their hopes dashed.

a computing pun

i dearly hope they never catch on, otherwise I'll have to start referring to dashes as tildes just to restore some level of balance to the world.

trogdor

12:43

I have enough trouble understanding why anyone needs to mark something with a hashtag to begin with

it is not clarifying anything

Magician

I think it originated as a "hack" on twitter, where you could search for other people using the same hashtag posting on the same topic.

And then kind of morphed into #lol #blessed #wassup #highlyoriginalhashtaggoeshere we see nowadays. Happens to tags in blogs too, sometimes.

a computing pun

Yeah, it's just a generic marker for, well, tagging words. In the same way as our question tags work. Just with more interruptory punctuation and needing to fit into a 148-character limit with no metadata fields.

trogdor

I understand how it happened more or less

I just kinda hate it a bit

it's literally useless to me, and obnoxious to a certain extent

Magician

I've used it to mark my tweets about #DnD, for instance, that does actually get some extra eyes on it.

trogdor

not that I want to just go throwing my weight around over it, it's just my opinion and others are also entitled to their own

@Magician this use of it is reasonable

a computing pun

12:47

If it makes you feel any better about the state of the world, I know people who non-ironically say "hashtag" in real life before they say random words.

trogdor

the thing is that now I see and hear people saying it everywhere

even when there is no point

Magician

@acomputingpun hashtag yolo is my post-death metal band name.

trogdor

@acomputingpun I am not sure that makes me feel better honestly XD

a computing pun

Impressive. Most people only manage to have metal bands before they die.

Magician

Metal doesn't die. It just goes on tour in Hell.

a computing pun

12:51

(Said people also make a sort of # symbol by crossing the first two fingers on each hand while they say it. It's sort of like a gang sign but for pretentious people.)

Magician

Entirely unrelated to the previous discussion, I saw Jurassic World today, and kiiind of want to run a raptor apocalypse game now. It's like zombie apocalypse, but with raptors.

3

I checked and of course there's an ebook about it.

trogdor

lol

Alex Mitan

13:30

@Magician I get that feeling so often.. I see a thing, and I don't necessarily care about it, but I really start feeling like running something based on it

Sandwich

And I'm back from my long rest

Someone must've cast deep slumber on me because that was some good sleep

Joshua Aslan Smith

@AlexMitan did you ever figure out what your player wanted with their techno mage/artificer build and/or was anyone else on the site able to help you

Alex Mitan

@JoshuaAslanSmith Aw, nice that you remembered... I asked the player more and apparently he refined the concept into something else entirely

based on a Magic TCG card

This beastly thing

So his character's going to be an abomination-like creature that can rip off aspects from things they kill and attach them to himself

I figured it's pretty easy to do that, giving him an Assimilation Pool of up to 3 aspects he can absorb from others, maybe limiting his base aspects to reflect that he has little strength and identity apart from that which he absorbs

It's killing me that we can only really play next month, after our exams, because I really want to see this in action

I know Fate is meant to have character creation on-the-spot, but these people are serious video- and card-(MtG) gamers

I want to hear their awesome ideas beforehand so I can think of game extras in time

Joshua Aslan Smith

gathering the magic, lol

Nah its totally fine to stretch it out, especially if its your first time (or one of your first times) GMing for it as its a very GM driven system in some regards

Alex Mitan

13:46

Our only other experience was D&D 5e, I doubt that was less GM-driven

Honestly I felt like I did all of the work

Joshua Aslan Smith

So, yes you do all the work, but there are a lot of rules to refer to and rely on

whereas there are more like guidelines and core concepts for fate and you have to make judgement calls a lot more

Alex Mitan

Yeah but I'd rather work on rulings and judgment calls rather than doing all the plot-work and prep

One is game design, another is studying

Joshua Aslan Smith

Don't hesitate to devolve responsibility out to players as much as possible in a system like 5e though. you have to run all the monsters and handle rules questions, players should be doing other things like keeping track of their own stats and inventory and xp and imitative.

hah yes

Alex Mitan

True, but I'm not GMing that again any time soon

Failure with it is what lead me to look for something else, and out of the dozens and dozens of RPGs I've looked into Fate seems to be the best candidate, with Dungeon World and TavernTales close behind

Joshua Aslan Smith

dungeon world is pretty awesome

its my favorite system

I like fate

but I feel like fate's open-ended ness can leave newer players at a loss of what to do

whereas DWs very D&D inspired world feel helps to move things along.

Alex Mitan

13:57

I've read an unhealthy amount of Fate stuff though, we're going with it, since it seems to be able to do the most stuff most easily

And I just really really like it, you know

Joshua Aslan Smith

yes fate is more generic if that makes sense, not knocking it, just more ability to do any kind of story

oh totally go with whatever works bets for you

Alex Mitan