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JohnP

22:01

wow. Just saw BBS is stepping down. Big shoes to fill.

Sandwich

Its not really speculation

He uses terms like "Soulbind" which were originally pioneered in WoW

And I don't see how voting to depose a despot is a bad idea

Considering the alternative is suffering and having to play cleanup for a whiny baby

"Refuses to give up equipment he created during his 1/4 of the game" and "Refuses to read the rules" pretty much had me

Did stackexchange just crash?

doppelgreener

Seems okay right now

Sandwich

I got six rapid notifications and then it crashed

Now I'm getting server not found for rpg.stackexchange.com

doppelgreener

downforeveryoneorjustme.com/rpg.stackexchange.com

it is just you :(

@Sandwich I can't tell you why people are downvoting 'cause I didn't (and because I am not in a hive mind with them) but I can tell you why I have hesitated to upvote

Sandwich

Obviously because you're the king of all cosmos

doppelgreener

22:12

Your answer contains much truth inside it, but the practical help of what to do is limited to the last paragraph, where it is also intermingled with condemnation: talk to them, and separately tell them you will have a hard time trusting them.

Miniman

That question made me upvote an answer that starts with:

> I don't have sufficient reputation to comment, but I'd like to expand on this answer.

...I feel strange inside.

doppelgreener

I assume we are talking about the "betrayed by my GM" question, also

Miniman

Oh, sorry. I thought you guys were talking about the "GM doesn't listen to co-GMs" question.

Sandwich

This is so weird

Finally wow

doppelgreener

@Miniman Oh, which one is that?

Sandwich

22:17

I couldn't send messages for like five mins straight

doppelgreener

@Sandwich Welcome back! Sounds like a local DNS issue.

OH this one.

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Q: How to deal with a DM that doesn't listen to or cooperate with his co-DMs?

We are a group of five who rotates DMing with each quest. We have one DM who only does what he wants when he's DM, with no regard for other players, other DMs, or the rules, which forces the next DM in the rotation to scramble to salvage what is left from his quest. This one DM's quests consisten...

now i see.

@Sandwich My explanation was directed at your "betrayed by my GM" answer

Sandwich

Yeah thats the one

JohnP

@doppelgreener Yes, I had issues with that as well, most notably his indication that beating up your GM is an acceptable course of action.

Sandwich

If you were living in a communist dictatorship I'm sure you'd jump at the chance to vote your czar out of office.

He created an evil deity and forced his entire party to become Neutral evil despite being told that they didn't want that to happen

For reasons

Shalvenay

@AlexMitan re: fire magic and buildings -- you're assuming things about how buildings burn that aren't necessarily true

Sandwich

22:25

Unless they're made of thatch

Then they'll burn

And how

Shalvenay

(Reinforced) Concrete, properly protected steel, and heavy timber are all actually rather resistant to fire

@Sandwich yeah -- thatch roofing is fire-vulnerable, but so are many modern roof materials

Sandwich

Fire resistant buildings include treated lumber, steel, concrete, clay tiles, and the like

Shalvenay

@Sandwich -- yes. heavy timber is also in that category

Sandwich

Sod, thatch, and dry lumber will catch pretty fast if they're greased though

Shalvenay

@Sandwich -- sod, thatch, and dry light lumber

a 12" diameter log isn't going to catch ablaze easily.

Sandwich

22:28

Fact

That's what the grease spell is for though (if you're playing with a DM that allows grease to be flammable)

Shalvenay

I'd say that you'd be better off with an oil

Greases tend to burn in a rather ugly, smoky, not very handy for arsonists way...

although part of that depends on your def. of "grease" -- animal fats burn more readily than saponified greases do

and even with a coating of grease on its surface, a 12" log will charbroil black and not present much if any opportunity for further heat penetration well before it fails

Sandwich

That depends

doppelgreener

@Sandwich wow, that is one messy situation

Sandwich

If you really want to burn it you can use Prestidigitation to heat it up

God I love that cantrip

SevenSidedDie

@Miniman Yeah, that answer hit my DANGER button quick, and then I realised it was perfectly fine. I tweaked it to not apologise or meta-mention commenting, since it was already doing a good job of referencing other answers while answering independently.

Shalvenay

22:36

@Sandwich -- yes, Prestidigitation is handy -- my question is "can you get the interior of the log hot enough to smolder to failure with the limited ability of oxygen to penetrate the char layer?"

Miniman

@SevenSidedDie Tbh, I think it's one of the best suggestions there, since it might allow the problem DM to have more fun as well as everybody else. And it doesn't involve splitting the group.

Sandwich

Well Prestidigitation says it can heat something, it doesn't say the degree to which it can be heated however

SevenSidedDie

We... we have a tensers-floating-disk tag. Why.

Shalvenay

burninate!

SevenSidedDie

Should probably be synonymed to spells.

Shalvenay

22:38

yeah

@Sandwich -- I'd limit the heating to an amount of energy consistent with other uses of that spell

Sandwich

It'd have to be less than any other spell effect since it cant duplicate spell effects

Shalvenay

yep

Sandwich

So less than for example Heat metal

Shalvenay

less than Heat Metal, yeah

which would put it at the "likely not hot enough to help much"

SevenSidedDie

Heat Metal doesn't work on grease though, so that's fine. Prestidigitate that up to 100MK.

Miniman

22:41

Prestidigitation actually says it can warm, not heat.

Shalvenay

that too @Miniman

Miniman

So you probably can't light anything on fire with it.

Shalvenay

perhaps carbon disulfide @Miniman :P

SevenSidedDie

@Miniman 100MK isn't fire, it's fusion plasma. >.>

Sandwich

Prestidigitation states: It cannot deal damage
Heat metal states:
Turn 1 Warm None
Turn 2 Hot 1d4 points

So it doesn't deal damage hot, but it can still keep someone from freezing

Miniman

22:43

@SevenSidedDie That still goes beyond my personal definition of "warming", for some reason.

SevenSidedDie

@Sandwich Simple! Make sure that the prestidigitated "warming" is nowhere near an object that has HP in the RAW, therefore it won't do damage.

Sandwich

It means that you can go into the arctic with naught but prestidigitation to heat your loins!

Shalvenay

actually, no, not CS2 -- silane would ignite, but it's a borderline pyrophor anyway :P

Sandwich

But could you use Prestidigitation to create small burnable objects

Or if you created a silent image of a campfire and people believed it would it keep them warm

Or if you created a silent image of a bear to poop in a forest and no one was around to hear it, would it make a sound

Miniman

@Sandwich Erm...no? It's called silent image for a reason...

Sandwich

22:49

But how would you know unless you rolled to disbelieve it

Miniman

@Sandwich The illusion does not create sound, smell, texture, or temperature.

Whether you believe or disbelieve, you hear no sound.

Sandwich

Unless you cast Ghost sound

Then its a Minor image

Miniman

Or you could just use Major Image.

Sandwich

And waste a higher level spell slot? Madness.

Frivolous Wizardspeak!

Shadow evocation is a fun spell

Miniman

@Sandwich The big question for me is whether you can believe your own illusions. If you can, it's an unbelievably overpowered spell.

Sandwich

22:57

Shadow evocation + Tiny hut for example

Or Shadow evocation + Dragon's breath

Or use Shadow evocation + Channel the gift + Another person to cast any other 3rd level spell

Miniman

Greater shadow evocation + contingency is probably the worst offender

Sandwich

Its a shame regular Shadow Evocation doesnt go up to 5th level

You could cheese wall of force

Which is immune to damage

20% of complete immunity to damage is still complete damage immunity

@doppelgreener Secret ballot

doppelgreener

23:28

@Sandwich right. that proposal is a bit perfect world-ish at the moment.

Sandwich

I'm fixing it now

doppelgreener

@Miniman 100 million kelvins is warming, it's just a whole lotta warning

Miniman

@doppelgreener Dictionary agrees with you [shakes fist]

Sandwich

You could say

Global warming

:D

The answer is edited

Now to eat some fried potatoes

doppelgreener

considering it might make the world combust, yes!

@Miniman plus, in the grand scheme of things, 300-400 Kelvin isn't all that warm

Miniman

23:34

@Sandwich Oh, ffs. It's 3 hours till lunch time and I was just trying not to think about how hungry I am.

Sandwich

Whooooops

Well in retrospect

My name IS Sandwich

doppelgreener

@Sandwich we don't generally encourage each other to think about eating fellow site members

Sandwich

Its cool I'm a cursed item

Cursed sandwich

Its actually a delightfully absurd story of how I came about my name

Miniman

@Sandwich Let me guess, when you eat it you get hungrier? I've eaten a lot of sandwiches like that.

Sandwich

Yes exactly

Its also enchanted like a lodestone

So when you eat it it reappears on your person

Its the most evil object imaginable

doppelgreener

23:46

that is a wonderful evil item

@BESW Hello!

Sandwich

It led to some interesting circumstances

Such as me using suggestion to compel someone to eat the sandwich

Since the sandwich reappears after its eaten, the cycle continues

Its a perfect circle of starvation

doppelgreener

brutal

but they did eat the sammich!

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