TRPG General Chat

Polyducks

00:04

@AlexMitan RE: our talk on fireballs and realism, I once played a game where a level 18 wizard cast fireball in a 20ft square room. The rebounding flames killed everyone in the party.

Miniman

@Polyducks Rebounding flames is a 2E thing, right?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

00:34

Just wanted to say: so long and thanks for all the fish. I'm giving back my diamond. Cheers all.

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Miniman

00:46

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Wow, that was unexpected. Any particular reason? We're going to miss you.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

01:50

Burnout and lack of validation, to summarise.

Miniman

@BrianBallsun-Stanton I'm sorry to hear that. Personally, I appreciate your modding a great deal, not least because you're active in hours that I am and other mods don't tend to be, and because you're pretty much a ninja.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Thanks.

Miniman

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Will you still be active on the site as a regular user? I'd hate to see you disappear completely.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

I'll probably be taking a long break to recharge

lisardggY

05:08

Oh no! I hope the rest will fill your batteries back up. The site certainly benefited from your modding and your presence.

doppelgreener

05:51

@lisardggY Agreed, the mods really helped hammer this site into the right shape. (And the fact we reference mod-hammers just makes me appreciate this turn of phrase more. It came to mind naturally, I promise!)

Wibbs

07:12

@BrianBallsun-Stanton you'll be missed :)

Pureferret

07:38

Here's one for the road

lisardggY

Fish

fish

feeeeeeeeesh.

Pureferret

07:50

Is on a barbecue, because... you know why

Alex Mitan

09:19

Oh my god passes out on keyboard

I've been working all evening on a program and I feel so proud of it, despite the fact that it sucks

How are you guys doing?

Alex Mitan

09:30

doppelgreener

@AlexMitan ha!

Alex Mitan

I asked this question on Reddit a while ago, I'm loving my delicious replies

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lisardggY

10:10

@AlexMitan Good question. Reddit being reddit, there are nuggets of gold among a lot of meh. :)

Alex Mitan

10:24

I'm more fond of Stack chat than Reddit, but I might be a bit more fond of Reddit than the Stack itself...

I don't know, I just can't seem to grok the format needed for the Stack, and it feels a bit 1984 at times, to me

A lot of the time, I want very subjective, "human", maybe unreliable responses, which seem to be inappropriate for Stack

lisardggY

SE is good for some things. Not for others.

For instance, I hardly answer in RPG.SE anymore, because I don't feel I enjoy its format much lately.

I don't resent the stack for it, I just find places more suitable.

Alex Mitan

But I LOVE chat, jesus.. I love the chat and the people on it

lisardggY

Yes, RPG.SE chat is a good place.

Alex Mitan

Honestly it feels like the only chat, the others just feel kind of dead

I've never been to the programming chat, I could try

I can't wait to feel dirt-level incompetent!

Can you really do things like

!!google laziness

Wait.. okay.. where can I see chat commands

lisardggY

There aren't that many of them, and some are customized per-room.

We have Dicebot.

5d6

Dice Service

10:37

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Alex Mitan

5dF

Ok, that was pushing it

Also, what a dreadful roll

5d6

Dice Service

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lisardggY

There's a browser script you can install which adds support for it. :)

There's a room to test out dicebot, if you'd like.

Alex Mitan

Sure!

lisardggY

Instead of filling up the main room.

Alex Mitan

10:38

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'll look for it

lisardggY

Oh, I think it's shut down for inactivity.

Alex Mitan

Oh, cool, Fate chat and game room!

lisardggY

That one actually sees some activity, too. Usually when BESW is around.

Dice roller & formatting tests playgr…

The roller supports: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12, d20. You can roll ...

I think we need BESW to unfreeze it.

But you can find a link there, up the page, for the userscript for Fate dice.

Alex Mitan

Great, thanks!

What do people normally use to play Fate online?

lisardggY

Dunno. I only play face to face.

trogdor

11:22

my group is sort of half and half

we just skype each other

Alex Mitan

And does everyone have their own character sheet and dice?

How does everyone see all the aspects and sheets?

trogdor

But everyone on the other side of the Skype call is together, so that might not work quite as well for you as it does for us

We make copies of all of them

again, not perfect, but it works

Alex Mitan

Hmm.. alright... Could some sort of Google Drive thing work?

I even thought of a Powerpoint presentation screen share or something

Also, what should I say if they ask to "Loot the bodies" in Fate?

lisardggY

@AlexMitan Ask them what they think they should find.

Alex Mitan

Hah, ok, one of them will "loot" the bodies' traits and aspects, I know that.. but the others might expect MMORPG style looting

lisardggY

11:35

If one says "a magic sword!", then offer a compel, giving them a fate point in return for the aspect "Holder of the Sword of Lord Negrachak".

Which they can invoke for its powers, and which can be used as a plot hook to bring the Heirs of Negrachak on his tail.

Alex Mitan

Hm.. okay, sounds good!

So basically they'd be looting, unsurprisingly for Fate, more plot.

That actually sounds good

Alex Mitan

11:54

One thing I still don't get, though, can Compels be beneficial?

Or do they always have to be detrimental to the PCs in some way?

I'm not talking "holds fate point up As we all know, you have [The Most Ridiculous Luck Sometimes], so you've won the lottery"

But can they be.. "good"?

lisardggY

@AlexMitan In my last session, as one character was planning to sneak into the library where a fight was breaking out and attack in stealth, the GM compelled the player, using one of her aspects, to charge in unprepared. He felt that would have added more drama to the fight.

It did. It was fun. And it didn't harm the character, even if it did put her at more risk.

A Compel is exercising narrative control over a character, without being the character's player.

We've often had Compels accepted immediately and gratefully by the player, in an "Ooh, that's cool, I didn't think of that" attitude.

Alex Mitan

Hah, okay, so it's not groan-bait

So good compelling is a part of good GMing, right?

lisardggY

I think that a basic assumption in Fate is that the players are in this together for everyone's enjoyment.

Alex Mitan

I guess I had the reflex of perceiving Compels as something adversarial

lisardggY

Sometimes it means the characters suffer, yes.

But it should never mean that the players suffer.

@AlexMitan It's the primary tool for adversarial impact, which isn't a bad thing - conflict is a good narrative element.

But in essence, it's a tool for making other characters do things you think will benefit the game.

Alex Mitan

12:08

Hm, okay, thank you!

Offtopic: What's Area 51? It seems to have a Sexuality SE that I was going to ask about before

But it's all strange.. you can't answer the questions

prepares for newbish slap-and-wake-up

lisardggY

Area51 is StackExchange's site for proposing new SE sites.

You can suggest a new site or support an existing proposal.

Alex Mitan

Oh, okay

lisardggY

New sites go through several phases, like "Definition", where people work out what a site should cover and propose sample questions for it. Then "Commitment", where support is gathered from as many potential users as possible to show that there's interest.

Alex Mitan

So there isn't a Gender/Sexuality/etc SE yet

How comes?

lisardggY

@AlexMitan Because not enough people supported it yet, I suppose.

Sites exist because someone proposed it, and people defined it, and people committed to it, and people participated in the beta.

Nothing exists until people bring it into existence. :)

Sexuality seems to be deep into the commitment phase. If you want to support it, commit to it. It's a button click away.

Alex Mitan

12:14

Yeah, welcome to RPGs :))

So a thing like Magento, whatever that is, has a SE, but human sexuality doesn't

And here I was thinking I know how people work and what they care about

lisardggY

Only 45 more committers needed to move on. Go click!

Alex Mitan

What does it imply?

lisardggY

> This proposal is in: *Commitment*
Before the site is created, it needs people to commit to use it. Right now, it's 77% complete. When it reaches 100%, the beta will begin.

> 77% 155/200 committers in total
> 100% 117/100 committers with 200+ rep on any other site
> 100% commitment score, based on committers' activity on all other sites and how old the commitment is

Alex Mitan

So what does my commitment to something consist of?

lisardggY

Clicking a button, basically.

It's a declaration on your part that you intend to participate in the site once it goes up, but of course, nothing of the sort can be enforced.

Alex Mitan

12:17

Wonderful, here I go

lisardggY

But of course, if a site gets enough committers but no participants in the beta, it will be closed.

Alex Mitan

I love listening and contributing to topics regarding sexuality, especially gender-related and such

lisardggY

Contributing is good, listening isn't as useful at the beta stage.

trogdor

12:35

@AlexMitan it's also a part of being a good PC

typically you can't expect your GM to do all the compeling

cause you have other players next to you getting compels, and the GM also has to run anything else that is currently happening

but yeah, getting your compels right is a big part of good GMing

and as lisardggy says, it is indeed meant to allow people other than the Player in charge of a character to basically make a suggestion as to what said character does in a certain situation

If it is deemed by the group unlikely that said character would do said thing under said situation, the compel is void

If not, a Fate Point is paid, either to the player doing the action, or by the player to avoid it

PC's can also compel each other, basically as a tool to say "I think it would be awesome if your character did this because of this aspect they have"

lisardggY

The one problem I've seen with this is that it leads to falling into stereotypes.

Yes, I have the "Reckless" aspect. But when other PCs constantly compel you with, it becomes a caricature, not an aspect.

Luckily, that's usually easily solved by talking to the players.

trogdor

13:06

@lisardggY my group has the opposite problem right now

we don't get enough compels of anything in general

lisardggY

We don't have too many either, but I've started to notice this trend.

trogdor

13:22

my group does usually seem to have quality compels when they do happen

in fact, we usually don't end up declining them.

Alex Mitan

What are some of the most interesting compels you've had?

lisardggY

Most of the ones we've had were used to encourage action. When a player is dithering and not sure whether to act or not.

Action is almost always more fun than inaction.

trogdor

Well, we had one when we were playing a short Doctor Who campaign, and we were up against this alien thing that was using headphones to suggest to people what to do

lisardggY

But it's often easier to see it from the sidelines, when you're not worried as much about consequences. :

trogdor

one of our group put them on and got hit with create advantage to attack the Doctor

Alex Mitan

13:36

..surely you mean Cybermen?

trogdor

after spending a bunch of Fate Points to resist it, our GM compelled the PC to just let it happen because he would have more fun that way

@AlexMitan Cybermen were involved, but they were not the only party

Alex Mitan

Ah, alright

trogdor

he kept all the Fate Points he was going to use to resist it, got one from the compel , and made the entire session more interesting and memorable.

Alex Mitan

Ugh god I can finally breathe properly for the first time in three days

trogdor

that is one of the best compel examples I can think of

Alex Mitan

13:40

That sounds great, so he retroactively got multiple points back?

You can be quite loose with that sort of thing, right?

trogdor

both because it was presented by the GM in a superb way and because the PC was more than enthusiastic about it

@AlexMitan yeah, specifically because the compel was targeting an action he was spending Fate Points on

Generally the compel should come into play before the compeled person has spent Fate Points on it

so in that case the group decided he should get his spent points back because otherwise he was taking a loss for no reason

Alex Mitan

Alright.. good, nobody'd mind that, I imagine

Oh, okay

trogdor

if you spend a bunch of points on something and THEN get compelled to let that exact thing go a different way it just seems like good practice to give the spent points back

but if he had spent any Fate Points on anything else that session those would stay spent, because they were not related to the compelled action

Alex Mitan

Okay, that sounds like a good mentality

If I ask for the players, casters especially, to spend FP to do magic with a greater effect than normal, will it be unpleasant or will they get to the point where they feel like it IS more valuable?

Such as a warlock mind-controlling someone for a while...

Or should I just let it be a Create Advantage/fluff?

trogdor

@AlexMitan generally speaking, spending Fate Points to do things better requires some aspect to spend the Fat Points on

Alex Mitan

13:51

Warlock Mentalist Whatever of The Mind Warping Gargantuan Old Ones

trogdor

If you have a warlock who wants to mind control someone and that is a thing he should be able to do you have a few different options as to how that would work

First of all, if you feel like it should be a requirement in order to have this power, he might need a stunt in order to do it

Alex Mitan

At least for the first session I'm thinking of just letting them be awesome and not adding much to FAE other than a "misc inventory"

trogdor

Either way though, you need to have a skill tied to his magic in general, and maybe (though not necessarily) a different skill tied to each different type of magic he could do

Alex Mitan

we're...going with Fate Accelerated...

trogdor

the way I see using mind control magic best is to create advantage

mk

still, said magic might need to be tied to specific approaches, otherwise he just picks whatever he wants and only uses one approach ever

Alex Mitan

13:55

a bunch of them will have some weird powers I'll be modelling mostly as we play

yeah, I'd say it depends on the spell and circumstance..

trogdor

if you are mind controlling someone, I suggest that either you have to spend your turn and make an opposed roll every round, if you win the roll you keep them controlled, if you lose they snap out of it and get to do what they want again

Alex Mitan

Especially the warlock.. I'm 90% sure he doesn't care about having different mechanics for magic, like in D&D

yeah, that's good!

trogdor

by the way, this is PC's controlling NPC's

the other way you might do it is that the controlled person gets an oppose roll at the start of their turn, but this way might make the mind controlling power a little too powerful because it doesn't add the loss of the controller's turn

I have not personally tested either of these suggestions, so I don't know if one really works better than the other

Alex Mitan

Mhm, okay... I was thinking non-combat too

Either way, I shouldn't charge him FP just for using his ability, especially outside of combat, right?

trogdor

yeah

Alex Mitan

14:00

I think they all have something vaguely magical or over-the-top about them

trogdor

but you should give the person he is using on it an opposing defense roll when first attacked, and when it is being sustained.

Alex Mitan

Which I like, especially for the first campaign, I want to help them dislodge from a "menu-based" approach and let them come up with their own traits and abilities and ideas

Yeah, that makes sense.. something like a free Overcome action, no?

trogdor

costing FP every turn would be him spending that FP to keep that opposing roll from happening as a sort of compel

but it shouldn't be something he is forced to do to use said ability

part of the cost is going to be that he loses a turn every time it doesn't work

@AlexMitan yeah, sort of like that

specifically because the victim is not going to get a choice to take a turn overcoming

so that has to be worked around

Alex Mitan

But what about mind-controlling his NPC ship captain friend to convince him to get off of it because it's doomed

Let's say there's this huge airship...well, island rather..in the sky

its "captain" will be aware that it's going to crash, but it will be very difficult to convince him to save his own life and get off

trogdor

If the victim was under any other kind of effect, say petrification for example, they already both got to defend for free against the attack and could, if the group decided this was a more temporary lift able effect, make an overcome check every turn because he at least still gets to decide what he is doing.

@AlexMitan then he could, for example, try to cleverly convince said captain to abandon ship or use his magic

Alex Mitan

14:08

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, no FP needed because it's just something he CAN do

would you call it Flashy though?

trogdor

the only difference would probably be narrative or change which approach is used

@AlexMitan possibly

that is the thing

it depends how he is doing it

Alex Mitan

What approach would you use for insidious, mind-controlling cursey magic applied directly, looking-straight-into-their-eyes from up close?

trogdor

if he outwits his captain friend it is clever, if he is really dramatic about it it is more flashy

@AlexMitan probably forceful

basically a direct battle of the mind

clever could work too

and then I would probably apply either one of those as the approach usable to defend as well

but you could still make a reasonable argument for some other approach.

Alex Mitan

Hm...alright

Well, he'd have to

Yeah, that sounds good

How would a barbarian intimidating someone weaker than them be though? Forceful or Flashy?

Is it a legitimate worry that Flashy accounts for stuff that's very wide, like both seduction and intimidation and persuasion and such?

Or is it fine, because you look at the other approaches and they are just as varied?

BESW

22

A: Approaches for shooting?

Use the approach which makes sense for how you're shooting at the time. Approaches were a little difficult to wrap my head around at first. Unlike skills, they aren't about what I'm doing: they're about how I'm doing it. Any approach could be appropriate for shooting a gun, depending on the cont...

trogdor

14:17

@AlexMitan if you think flashy is able to be used in too wide a range, just remember that you can call your PC's on it's use

Miniman

@BESW, also known as the "I have an answer for that" fairy.

trogdor

if they don't actually describe a sufficiently dramatic action, the flashy approach is not the correct one

this goes for all the approaches really

you can't be careful at running full tilt

Magician

@Miniman 's famous last words: "I have an answer for that fairy".

Miniman

@Magician [blinks] Wait, what?

Magician

@Miniman Those are less famous and much more universal last words.

trogdor

14:20

lol

Miniman

@Magician Well played.

Magician

Don't mind me, I'm amused by strange things at this hour.

trogdor

@AlexMitan and the above link from BESW is quite appropriate

Alex Mitan

@BESW.. question, from your own answer

"To re-visit the sniper example: Maybe I'm also trying to do it stealthily. But I can't roll Sneaky and Careful, so I have to decide which is more important: hitting the target or staying hidden?"

What if hitting the target was more important, but he'd say otherwise because his other approach is better?

trogdor

14:34

say the target number for him to succeed is 4, and he can roll either careful or sneaky for this roll, if he hits 4 with sneaky maybe he misses the shot and the target gets away, but no one knows where he is

BESW

Yup, exactly.

Trogdor's all over this, you don't need me.

trogdor

but if he hits 4 with careful, he hits the target but now he is discovered

Alex Mitan

Oooo...okay

I like choices like that..

trogdor

it's all about tailoring the actual description of the action and the outcome to the approach they selected.

and of course, they should be fully aware of this

making trade offs like that, and keeping everyone aware that there are such trade offs, is the key to making approaches work

BESW

And everyone's in on it. Everyone, player and GM alike, should feel free to ask each other for more detailed descriptions or revisions, or make suggestions for compels, or whatever.

trogdor

14:39

also, in that same scenario, you PC could make a create advantage roll first to set up and aim carefully, for example

but if they do that they might have waited too long and the target moved

you don't want to just move the target all the time, but giving them too many free turns isn't too great either

but maybe they have to avoid patrols on the way to get to the sniper spot they picked out, being creative, and being aware of what each approach means, and everyone being on the same page are all important

BESW

I don't really agree with this, though.

trogdor

yeah that isn't quite the way I see it

BESW

Compels are about drama, complication, obstacles obscuring goals.

You get Fate points when things get more complicated or dramatic for your character, and you spend them to overcome obstacles and make things less complicated.

trogdor

Fate isn't about giving up narrative control, it's basically the opposite

BESW

The Fate point economy is about the cycle of crisis and victory: every crisis you face contains the seeds of future victory; you cannot triumph if you don't have something significant to overcome.

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trogdor

14:43

if you take a compel, the only way it is forced on you is if you spent literally all your Fate Points

and even then, if that compel is something you just don't like in any way, and it doesn't fit your character?

it is void

compels should be something everyone can agree on, thus, they are never you the player giving up narrative agency

they are more like bribes to let something interesting, and most likely dangerous, happen to your character

Alex Mitan

How d'you think things would change if resisting compels was free?

BESW

That'd only really be functional if compels were being over-used.

Alex Mitan

If the GM is to be more or less an equal authority, then Compels being a suggestion rather than a Fate Point vacuum cleaner being pointed at a player, at worst, would be in the spirit, right

BESW

When I say "Fate point economy," that's not my term. It's a developer concept at the heart of the Fate system.

Alex Mitan

It's just hypothetical though, I get why it's like that

BESW

14:47

The GM's ability to compel from a bottomless pit of points is the way he adds currency to the economy.

(And remember, players can solicit compels from the GM too, if he's not on the ball with it!)

trogdor

if the GM and a PC can't agree on the validity of a compel, the group as a whole should mediate

and also, they should talk about why one doesn't like the compel

Alex Mitan

Wait, so if the PC suggests a self-compel that the GM disagrees with, who gets a point?

trogdor

if the answer is only "I don't have fate points to buy it off" , that isn't good enough

Alex Mitan

That's just a group disagreement, right? Not an economy matter

trogdor

but if it is "could you just change this thing to something equally dangerous to my character, but this change is more in line with what they would actually do"

that is great

@AlexMitan assuming the compel is worked out, the PC still gets the Fate Point

but if it isn't able to be worked out to the satisfaction of both parties that compel is not a good compel

anyway, I gotta turn in, it is late here

Alex Mitan

14:53

Alright, thanks for the help

I'm thinking of using that Marvel-like initiative for the first session

To see how it works.. the "Acted this exchange/Ready" mechanic

and after X's turn, X decides on the next Y to act

BESW

If you have trouble tracking it, write every character's name on a card and flip each over as the character acts.

That way X can see his options for Y easily, and at the end of the round you just turn them all face-up again.

Alex Mitan

And if the GM has multiple entities, do they act individually or all at once?

BESW

I usually group them into between one and three fractals that each act independently.

Polyducks

@Miniman Too true, Miniman. Yes, rebounding flames is 2E. We were using OSRIC.

Alex Mitan

15:10

I love it when I can better get stress and other Fate-unique mechanics.. and their fully narrative ways

How I can actually think for myself in terms of that

Polyducks

What are you guys chatting about? :)

Alex Mitan

I feel like D&D tried to hold my hand regarding this, and that, and that, and forgot that I'd need 100 hands of my own to respond

I'm part relishing in reading about Fate, part screaming internally about not being able to play for about a month

How are you, @Polyducks?

BESW

@Polyducks The general topic right now is fate, with focus on the nature and implementation of compels.

But topics shift easily.

Alex Mitan

I fear that I won't get in the reflex of asking and proposing interesting things quick enough to get my players hooked

Sandwich

I'm gonna miss Brian

He was a cool guy

He doesnt afraid of anything either

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Alex Mitan

15:14

I like the way in which normally taken-for-granted things get addressed, for the good of the narrative, like Ok, you recover from your Shaken Mind mild consequence.. but why?

BESW

@Sandwich Brian will be back as a talented and knowledgeable citizen, once he's recuperated.

Alex Mitan

Or.. your spell failed... why though? You're a fantastic caster

Polyducks

I'm well thank you, @Alex. At work, so I've only got half an eye on chat. It's a relief to be in a chat room where I know what's going on, unlike the javascript room!

@BESW awesome! I have a fate book at home in my bookshelf. I've never actually opened it though. So much else to look through! Is it space only, or have I misinterpreted it?

Alex Mitan

@Polyducks ....Fate, space only?

Oh no no no no no

BESW

@AlexMitan Two nights ago I ran a game for Roll For Shoes with nine players, half of whom were new to RPGs. One of the great things was that they kept asking questions whenever something seemed interested or shaky.

@Polyducks Is it diaspora?

That's a hard sci-fi game which uses the Fate engine.

Alex Mitan

15:16

@Polyducks Fate is perhaps one of the most adaptable systems that I'm currently aware of, unless you have a specific Fate-powered product

BESW

Fate itself is a setting-agnostic engine that can be used for just about anything with characters who are dramatic, proactive, and competent.

There are many games which use it.

Alex Mitan

@BESW Wow, NINE players? I... I think I'm actually afraid of RFS.. Like I'm both overestimating and underestimating it

BESW

@AlexMitan Nine was a little overwhelming, but it worked out well.

Alex Mitan

Really? How'd it go?

BESW

Everyone wrote down their character independently, then shared at the table "My name is _____ and I'm [something about them]."

We wound up with a Queen of Everything, a Robot Pimp, a miner with an eating disorder/superpower, a Russian paparazzo, a woman with wings....

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Sandwich

15:19

Hahaha Robot pimp

Thats great

BESW

So, given such a diverse group with no obvious connection to each other, I decided they were all imprisoned beneath a gladiatorial arena on a desert planet.

Alex Mitan

Naturally

BESW

We then spent two hours getting everyone out of the dungeon.

Sandwich

A spooky amusement park would've been just as deadly

Alex Mitan

Really? Wow, I'd kill for a podcast or detailed write-up of RFS

BESW

15:22

The Queen of All demanded to be released, along with her Russian paparazzo, and be shown to the showers. The guards cowered and obliged.

Alex Mitan

I still find the idea that I might get "difficulty checks" wrong daunting

BESW

One guy tried to dig his way out with a rat.

(That didn't work too well.)

Sandwich

The robot pimp drilled through the bars with his robot drill penis I bet

BESW

The cyborg kung fu master kicked the door off its hinges... just after the robot pimp bribed his sex toy to pick the lock.

One PC kept trying and failing to summon her molemen subjects to rescue her.

Sandwich

Saul

of the molemen

Alex Mitan

15:26

That's amazing... maybe I'll try such a thing to relieve some of the "I hate time" GM tension I'm accumulating

BESW

Aight, I'm off to lunch with my grandmother. ttfn

Sandwich

See ya later BESW

Alex Mitan

See you!

Polyducks

15:44

@BESW Yes! Diaspora! That's where the confusion came from

Sandwich

Hmm

About that edit just now

It doesn't appear that that quote was actually said by Buddha

At least a google search doesnt reflect that anyway

Polyducks

Buddha once said, "If you don't have a twenty sided dice, two ten sided dice do not a twenty make."

He also said that broadswords are OP and gunpowder wasn't invented in the setting of 2E

Sandwich

16:26

@doppelgreener How come you hate the word Break doppel

SevenSidedDie

17:17

@Sandwich The Buddha quote is regarding holding a hot coal. The edit is either wrong, or needs to also provide the book/manuscript source.

MadMAxJr

Hah, no. If we're doing HTTP codes, I'll use Vault 507.

Oh. Wrong channel.

Fallout Shelter on iOS! Wheee.

SevenSidedDie

@Sandwich Hah, it actually appears that the hot-coal quote isn't the Buddha either.

Sandwich