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BESW
BESW
02:20
> Best. Concussion. EVER. The last player character who took damage may transfer one skill point from any skill to any other skill.
(A sneak preview of the MAYHEM deck for the Schlock Mercenary RPG.)
Grubermensch
Grubermensch
02:37
Why are the rewards so screwed up on the KS page for that?
There's like three copies of each reward
BESW
BESW
Kickstarter's kinda awkward about letting you change or update options mid-campaign.
Grubermensch
Grubermensch
Ah well that's lame
On the other hand, the only thing that looks lame about PM is that I'll have to wait until next year to get the reward.
trogdor
trogdor
there are some issues with Kickstarter,....
 
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Dorian
Dorian
06:45
This is awesome.
http://dagobah.net/flash/know_your_destiny.swf
Audio Warning: Loud unkillable BGM, headphones will blast your head off, and speakers might scare the crap outta you.
Also... Yells a racial slur as it loads up... Though that has nothing to do with the generator itself.
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Zachiel
Zachiel
09:26
@Lord_Gareth Let the votes and the OP decide which advice is effective or not. But I guess the dismissive part is labeling your opinions as "pet opinions".
 
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BESW
BESW
12:28
**Cool RPG/SE stuff:** [Bundle of Holding](http://bundleofholding.com "buy RPGs cheap in bulk, support charities & indie designers!");
[Apocrypha Adventure](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loneshark/the-apocrypha-adventure-card-game "both a card game and an RPG");
[Fantasy Coins and Bars](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fantasycoinhq/fantasy-coins-and-bars "10 new Coin Sets, more Bar designs, and Hex Gems!");
[Planet Mercenary](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/howardtayler/the-planet-mercenary-role-playing-game "set in the universe of Schlock Mercenary").
Dorian
Dorian
12:40
Mother frick.....
The diceroller chat was locked again
A mere 4 hours ago!
lisardggY
lisardggY
13:05
`ello.
BESW
BESW
Hey.
Anaphory
Anaphory
Hi!
lisardggY
lisardggY
How are things in the ol' beige-and-white?
BESW
BESW
Wha?
lisardggY
lisardggY
This room. It's beige. And white. Mostly.
/me is wondering how badly his monitor and/or optic nerve are calibrated.
BESW
BESW
13:12
Oh. Yes.
I'm just not as association-driven as usual.
Chat's been kinda slow lately, I guess.
Anaphory
Anaphory
I thought that was just as every weekend?
BESW
BESW
Oh, yes, but it slowed down before the weekend.
 
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Iron Heart
Iron Heart
14:27
slow light, causal loop, temporal concussion...
 
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Pureferret
Pureferret
16:56
@BESW VROOOOOOM
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Iron Heart
Iron Heart
17:14
@Pureferret So very professional.
Pureferret
Pureferret
17:38
@IronHeart I try
Someone ended up writing up Prometheans created by Demons, Changlings and Sin-Eaters
 
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Pureferret
Pureferret
20:01
What're people up to?
Dorian
Dorian
Working on my build and my backstory for a 3.5 game
lisardggY
lisardggY
Trying to think of ways to adapt ideas from GUMSHOE to Ars Magica.
wax eagle
wax eagle
@Pureferret keepin an eye on the cubs game and making sure the children don't disturb their mom too much
Dorian
Dorian
20:20
Is it weird that I want to have an in-game flirtationship (or more) with someone in well any system? Not magical realm shit, but like someone that I'm either decent friends with or actually in a relationship with and want to have an in-game situation as well...
wax eagle
wax eagle
@Dorian not weird, though it may become so quickly depending on your table
lisardggY
lisardggY
I've had in-game flirtations that led into off-game relationships. Well, to be honest, it was in-game flirtations that were spurred by off-game attraction in the first place.
Dorian
Dorian
Depending yeah... Mostly I'd be wanting it to go down as vague hints in-game for the most part. Flirting and etc going on in-game and hinting at more going on behind the scenes.
Whether it starts in-game or out of game. I mean I'd be comfortable doing something like that with someone I'm just friends with too tbh. Though having an out of game connection would make it feel that much more authentic
lisardggY
lisardggY
Not everyone will be comfortable with it, though.
Dorian
Dorian
I suppose so. Would have to be something brought up to the table.
lisardggY
lisardggY
20:30
Or at least face to face. You don't need buy-in from everyone, just from those involved.
Dorian
Dorian
True. I mean it's probably something that would be a vague flirting thing anyways and little more than that going on in-game like I said. I'm not a fan of anything too mature outside of the privacy of a couple, especially in live games.
I tend to stick to PG-13 range for romantic themes...
lisardggY
lisardggY
Yes, of course. Lines and veils.
Dorian
Dorian
Now blood/gore/horror themes are a different story, though that also depends a little on the group most groups I've known are perfectly fine with R rating violence. Some even like going into deep detail about it lmao
lisardggY
lisardggY
Yes, well, because murderhobos.
Dorian
Dorian
Remember one game where dude literally started eating (and describing in detail) one of the fallen foes, as well as drinking its blood, we were afterall in a desert and he wanted to save water lol.
lisardggY
lisardggY
20:36
I've started working on a lecture about it in an upcoming con.
Dorian
Dorian
Problem is most groups whether they're playing murderhobos or not, are heavily leaning towards murderhobos in general.
Like..you can't get away from that as adventurers, not completely at least.
lisardggY
lisardggY
@Dorian I think this is because it's deeply ingrained in the basic tropes of our hobby.
Dorian
Dorian
Sure, you can have personalities, but you're still murderhobos with personalities lol
It's kind of hard to play an adventuring game without wandering (hobo) and killing evil things.
lisardggY
lisardggY
But also because in the western world, and hte US in general, you can get away with gruesome violence in the same audience where minor nudity is forbidden.
Dorian
Dorian
At the very least
lisardggY
lisardggY
20:39
@Dorian I'm not sure it's intrinsically difficult, as much as this is the basic vocabulary of the adventurer. These are the stories we're used to telling.
It's in much of the literary archetypes too.
Dorian
Dorian
I mean sure, it's wholly possible to play a game that doesn't kill a single person.
lisardggY
lisardggY
But whereas many literary works have the protagonists - usually of the young, coming-of-age variety - handle the death they inevitably deal out as something harsh and difficult, even if necessary, in RPGs it's usually done in a Jack Vancian disregard for human life.
Dorian
Dorian
My druglord campaign derailing plan is pretty dang perfect for that as an example lol
Aah you're referring to the disregard for life.
lisardggY
lisardggY
When city guards have a statblock similar to an orc in the wilderness, you're getting a definite nudge that both can be handled the same way.
Dorian
Dorian
My last werewolf character was quite the opposite, was extremely conflicted with the way he was and the fact that he might have killed his love during his first change. If he had a chance to stick around in the group long enough to have to fight something I'm sure he would have had plenty of time to figure out how to deal with the difference between the People and the Herd...
lisardggY
lisardggY
20:44
WoD characters have these conflicts deep in their core, yes.
Though they still go around butchering people, but then they agonize about it. :)
Dorian
Dorian
In the end he actually wound up joining the Pure because they seemed far nicer and reasonable than the pack of Forsaken he was attempting to join... Which included a two school teachers (one who died soon after he met the pack), a thug biker almost tropey murderhobo, and a jerkwad homeless thief (again, almost tropey murderhobo).
Well, the difference is that the People can slaughter the Herd without remorse.
Werewolves have no problem killing humans.
Only young ones and ones that cling to their human life actually care.
Most werewolves don't seem to care according to the setting, only caring for other werewolves.
lisardggY
lisardggY
Well, most of my WoD experience is with V:tM.
Dorian
Dorian
Yeah, V:tM does have a significant amount of agony and conflict about that.
Werewolves (the People) are seen as predators, and the Herd (humans) are merely prey.
Inferior beings.
But still part of them, and as such it's a sin for a Werewolf to eat human flesh. No problem killing them though.
lisardggY
lisardggY
So we have a slightly more palatable ideological justification for murderhoboery. :)
Dorian
Dorian
For a Werewolf, the conflict stems from their inner Rage. Sins include eating humans, eating wolves, eating werewolves, sleeping with werewolves, hurting your Pack, exposing the People to the Herd, using silver against the People, killing the People...
But killing normal humans? Perfectly fine. Killing any other supernatural? Also fine.
lisardggY
lisardggY
20:50
Again, this makes sense in the framework of the game's reality, but taking a step back, it's a game where extreme violence is commonplace.
So we're not very far from D&D's classic kill-and-loot.
Dorian
Dorian
Ironically, werewolves can't bed werewolves or it will result in this bastard evil ghost child and a dead fetus or something along those lines. In order for more werewolves to be made, you must bed humans. But you can't expose yourself to humans, or the pack. Also humans are seen as weaknesses, getting close to one is a weakness to the People as well because your enemies will attack you and your Pack through the human weak link.
So generally humans are there because this is their world, and the only time werewolves care about them is to sleep with them.
And it's usually hit it and quit it style.
I like the comradery of WtF, but I don't like how it views humans.
Though I was planning on having a young newly turned werewolf work through those stages and see how he changed as he became used to the werewolf thing.
As for D&D... I tend to go with either stealthy types that will kill anything that is an immediate threat to him or his comrades (but generally refuse to kill anything else, instead finding other ways of dealing with it), or I play freedom and justice types. Once or twice I played a more timid type that didn't want to kill anything even if it was blatantly evil, but those characters didn't usually last long lmao
lisardggY
lisardggY
Hmm. I have two campaigns right now. In my Ars Magica game, I don't think I've actually killed anyone that wasn't a demon. I was killed once, but haven't killed.
Dorian
Dorian
Actually in our WtF game we didn't kill any humans that I knew of, we just didn't care about individual humans and most werewolves would kill one if they had to.
Strike that, all werewolves would kill one if they had to. Most wouldn't even be conflicted about it.
lisardggY
lisardggY
And in my Dresden Files game I've fought with magical constructs and beings from the Nevernever, but I would seriously hesitate to draw a gun on a human being. Even in the climactic finale to our first story I was busy trying to grapple people to prevent them shooting at us.
Dorian
Dorian
I mean we were planning to either kill or run out of town a group of gangsters that was screwing up our territory, but I didn't get to see that happen in-game due to many other reasons. Most of our fighting was all spirits, and if you "kill" them they just come back in a day or so lol
lisardggY
lisardggY
21:02
Anyway, it's time to sleep now.
g'night.
Dorian
Dorian
Oh wait! Our Alpha, the thug biker dude did kill one... a Pure Werewolf (antagonist werewolves). But he did it in a fit of Rage. Took him a bit but he worked his way through it, justifying it as protecting his Pack and he had no other choice. Which really, any werewolf would be able to justify that when it comes to the Pure, but most would still be conflicted about it afterwords (Harmony check, basically the alignment dot that everyone deals with it's just called differently)
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doppelgreener
doppelgreener
23:40
@BESW a bit!
i've been here very little, so that would have an effect as well
BESW
BESW
@doppelgreener Did you see my report on our Saturday game?
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW I did not!
Oh, wow.
BESW
BESW
So Trogdor will be playing other PCs for a while, and we'll probably have a series of sessions where Myka is tracking down the time portals to try and save Dr. Light.
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
23:55
@mxyzplk I don't want to join in on any of this argument, but I do want to say: "The asker responded to each request for clarification" is not a suitable reason to reopen. The question being clear is. If you reopened it because you thought it was clear then ok, I can accept that, but responding to each request is not the satisfactory criteria itself and it's the one you're stating.
BESW
BESW
And there'll probably be scenes of "Meanwhile, lost in time and space, Dr. Light travels through portals to the far past and the distant future, seeking a way home and terrifying anyone who sees him. He has become... Doctor What Is That?!"
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW That would be fun. \o/
and those, I think, are very good biting-ish costs. Good work.
BESW
BESW
@doppelgreener Aye! Also it's a plot we can easily follow while waiting for you and Dan, without really getting in the way of what we'll be doing when you guys are available again.
@doppelgreener Trogdor had enough Fate points to get Dr. Light through, but he preferred the cost.
Adeptus
Adeptus
I have a bit of a conundrum... I'm running a published 3.5 adventure, and the party encounter a disguised Succubus magically trapped in a room. She can only leave if someone of good heart (ie good alignment) tells her she can leave, or attacks her. They figure out she's not what she seems (but are thinking shapeshifted dragon), and are about to just leave her there when she charms the fighter & convinces him to release her. At which point she taunts them & then teleports away.
So... do I give them full XP, partial XP, or no XP for the encounter?
BESW
BESW
(We think that Dr. Light is now--and maybe always was--the catalyst for Earth plants suddenly all figuring out photosynthesis and oxygenating the atmosphere.)
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