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6:29 PM
@SevenSidedDie vtcd
 
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@BESW I was just recording my own voice, and we sound very similar o.O
 
Halp! I need some 5E clarification
 
Wassup @Airatome
 
For 5E Rogues and the bonus action granted them by Cunning Action , when they use it to dash, are there any limitations upon it?
I'm pretty sure from the rules I cross checked, they were utilizing it properly. It says they can take the bonus action from Cunning Action whenever they want, at any point during their turn. Dash effectively gives you extra movement equal to whatever movement you have remaining when you take the Dash action.
so they could start their turn, cunning action to Dash, and have 60ft of movement to divide into moving during their turn....or attack and such, then dash, then flee out of range etc. There's no mandatory order for when they can cunning action + dash
as a result, the two rogues of the party effectively kited half a wolves den of wolves with Cunning Action + Dash and the other taking readied actions when one came into view. Then I wizened up a bit.... and flanked them.
 
6:50 PM
@Airatome I don't think you can divide a dash into separate chunks of movement, whether it is a cunning action or not
I don't have my PHB with me to confirm that though
 
the entry for Dash doesn't say you have to move with any limitations. Like in a straight line, or all at once, for example. It doesn't say it doubles your movement either though. It's worded very specifically. It says when you dash, you gain movement = your movement.
you gain extra movement = to your current movement, that is
so if you havn't moved yet, you get 30 + 30 = 60
 
Ok, fair enough
 
if you've moved say, 15 feet, you have 15 left and Dash effectively gives you 15 + 15 = 30
and we know you can divide up movement, even between separate attacks (if you can make separate attacks)
 
one of them questioned it themselves though.... he asked, "Doesn't Dash have some sort of requirement? like you can only dash your full movement or something?" My research has so far provided a solid 'No' to there being any sort of requirements for taking the Dash action in 5E, as a Cunning Action or otherwise
 
6:55 PM
I don't think dash was misused there, but I still don't understand how the kiting played out
 
Oh that I can explain
but it wasn't important to the question
 
Sure, just curious
 
I just wanted to double check my findings to make sure I didn't miss anything
 
Without my PHB to check, I think you have the dash thing correct.
 
@Airatome correct you just get bonus movement
 
6:56 PM
So you can take a Readied Action.....basically you can move, and give up your Action or otherwise to tell the DM that you'd like to make a certain attack or cast a certain spell when a certain requirement is met
 
@Airatome separate question or related?
 
No, he's explaining this to me, I was curious
 
in this case, every other turn (Because of the reload on Hand Crossbows) the rogue was taking one twin Hand Crossbow shot whenever a wolf came into his point of view and range. (I'm explaining to @DavidWilkins how the kiting played out with the Cunning Action + Dash.
 
err, she?...They are explaining this to me :P
 
the other rogue was the one using Dash, and grabbing a wolf(s) attention and then fleeing back past the first rogue
 
6:59 PM
@BESW Any thing that move faster than 102 feet/round
 
@Pureferret damn! I was just figuring that out that problem lmao
 
@Airatome Not really sure what can do that sort of movement ....
in fact not sure what a druid can shapeshift into
Still trawling through the MM
 
lol
 
@Pureferret there is some debate about what a druid can and cannot shift into
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith ...in every edition
:p
 
7:02 PM
Trying to find the question about I put an answer forward for
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A: Is there a lower limit to the size of creature a druid can wild shape into?

Joshua Aslan SmithWild Shape specifies that a Druid PC can transform into Beast creatures only. Starting at 2nd level, you can use your action to magically assume the shape of a beast that you have seen before. You can use this feature twice. You regain expended uses when you finish a short or long rest...

 
@Airatome Ahh, I see now, I was thinking melee. Sounds like an awwesome strategy to come up with though
 
I am thnking air elemental must have a fast fly speed
IRL you could be a cheetah speed but I don't know if a D&D cheetah is as fast
Also not endurance
 
A Hawk might be able to dash that fast
 
can you sustain a dash?
 
you'll get tired very quickly
 
7:06 PM
probably not for 44 hours
 
Why is there no Monster summary webpage/app like the one for spells?
 
@Pureferret because that spells one is illegal and got taken down
or at least got a cease and desist
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith I thought info from the BRB was OK
 
which site are you talking about?
 
There was another too
 
7:14 PM
the other one got taken down was just rying to find it
this one is okay I think,
since it just tells you the pages
the other had the whole spell
@Pureferret this might help
same idea
page numbers and size and type and cr
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Awesome, I think that also hosts a similar spell app
 
@Pureferret yeah they also have a spell one at donjon
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith 👍
 
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Q: How do we handle "game survey" questions?

mxyzplkRecommended reading: Are game recommendation questions on topic? How to deal with questions that just don't understand the scope of the RPG landscape? What's so problematic about a recommendation question having potentially hundreds of answers, anyway? Observe recent question Are there any pe...

 
7:43 PM
Can druids change into Rocs?
 
7:59 PM
@Emrakul [blink]
 
user61230
It's really uncanny.
 
user61230
At first when I heard it I wondered if I'd unwittingly taken a recording of our conversations (which I haven't)
 
@Pureferret Figuring out walk/hustle/run mechanics is part of why it's a D&D-educational question!
@Emrakul [blink] [blink]
 
user61230
@BESW [blink blink blink]
 
user61230
the angels are coming
 
8:14 PM
@Pureferret Rocs are monstrosities, not beasts, so no.
 
user61230
(In case you're wondering, I don't take recordings without permission >_>)
 
@Miniman Damn
@Miniman And monstrosities are the new magical beasts, right?
 
@Pureferret - Maybe there's a clever spell that can change monstrosities into beasts?
 
@RobertF Hmmm
 
8:55 PM
@Pureferret Monstrosities is a bit of a catch-all term now, I think.
 
@Miniman Sounds like it
 
9:30 PM
@Airatome It's not limited to your current movement. It's equal to the number on your sheet that says "movement," so it's even better than you're thinking. It's a way of giving up an action for the turn in order to get twice your normal movement for the turn. And no, there are no limits on it, and no, you don't have to use it all at once. It just gives you more movement, which you can split like normal.
We have a few questions on it + Cunning Action. Such as:
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Q: How far does a rogue move when dashing twice using Cunning Action?

JAWA rogue receives a bonus Cunning Action, and one option is to Dash. My understanding is a Dash allows a player to move up to twice his speed for his turn. If a rogue is using a regular action to Dash (hence, is already dashing) can he also use his cunning action as a bonus to Dash again — effect...

 
@TheOracle I don't know how i feel about it, but i think these should be off topic (replying to the bot so the post ref is highlighted)
 
9:41 PM
@Pureferret Incidentally, a cleric can summon a pegasus mount with Conjure Celestial that has 120 ft fly speed.
 
@Miniman I don't think the druid can do it
also why is the Tarrasque moving at half speed
 
@SevenSidedDie your meta post is exactly how I feel
 
same
 
9:57 PM
@Tritium21 I am pretty bearish on "tell me about games that are X" in general. If it were up to me, we'd have given up on game-rec and related long ago, but they're popular and not obviously harmful yet, so that's more my taste than something objective. :)
 
@SevenSidedDie I'd distinguish game rec from game suggesting. "I've seen this game, what is it?" is fine to me... the other kind... well, sometimes it fits a specifica game, sometimes it's just an excuse for people to bring forward whatever game they like.
 
@Zachiel Is that a recommendation at all? That wouldn't twig me as being a shopping question, more a product-ID question. We're not bad at those. We are... spotty... on the game-recs.
 
@Pureferret The druid can't, but it's not ridiculous to assume that a cleric might help a druid save the world from the tarrasque
 
@SevenSidedDie Shopping Qs are OK if they're 'How do I pick out an x', so sayeth the blog
 
@SevenSidedDie well, tell me about games that are X doesn't look what I'd call game-rec in the firt place, so maybe that's where the confusion comes from
 
10:07 PM
@Pureferret Yeah, but who asks those. Those are OK because they don't invite a long list of "I bet my favourite X will do it" answers, and because they're rare.
 
@SevenSidedDie point
 
@Zachiel Where X makes it something like "tell me about games that are skill-based." That's just an invitation to discussion and lists.
 
@BESW -- was at work
 
10:34 PM
Honestly, do you know how many flowers are out there? Pick one of those! Make it black if you want! But give the lotus some downtime!
 
@SevenSidedDie es se culpa?
 
@Pureferret That bad close is totally my fault, since I posted it here and suggested a posse.
 
Possed up.
 
@SevenSidedDie ah
 
11:42 PM
Speaking of duplicates, our lackluster updating of old D&D Next questions, and a meta.SE post I just remembered, has given me a lightbulb moment:
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A: Now that the 5e DMG is released, what is the best approach to revisit existing questions?

SevenSidedDieOur fixing of old Next questions has not been working that well. With some hindsight, I'm going to propose something that may be conceptually unpopular, but may be very effective: Let natural duplicates happen as they're asked, and close the old question as duplicates of the new questions. Ther...

 
Heh.
 
@SevenSidedDie It's possible the two questions won't be that similar anywhoo
 
I recently saw a lot of drama on SF&F.SE about a new, better question getting preference over the older question it was a duplicate of.
 
@BESW which q?
 
Something about the Bifrost, I think.
 
11:47 PM
@SevenSidedDie -- flagged since I don't have reopen votes quite yet
 
@BESW Oh, yeah that wasn't about old/new
 
@Pureferret Part of the drama was framed around the idea that new dupes should always be closed in favour of old ones.
I know it's just a small part of the bigger drama picture, but.
 
@BESW I guess, thats one view
 
@Pureferret Yeah, when they're not the same, they're just not duplicates. Just, when the new question is going to get closed as a duplicate... maybe the old one should be instead.
@BESW Ammunition against the new/old duplicate orthodoxy:
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Q: Should I vote to close a duplicate question, even though it's much newer, and has more up to date answers?

Eran MedanI have seen this many times, a question is being asked because a previous, duplicate question was asked and answered a few years ago and has no longer relevant answers. The recommendation is to edit the old question, or add new answers to it, but it is not always happening. I was wondering, sho...

 
@Pureferret No, I mean, it was precisely called out as a reason the action was inappropriate.
 
11:52 PM
@BESW Sorry I mean, in that case it was called out
in general, some people hold that view
 
@BESW Wow, that guy is pulling all kinds of bluster. I have no dog in the race nor any knowledge of the people involved, and I instantly want him to "lose".
 
@SevenSidedDie It's an ongoing Thing that I'm doing my best to stay out of.
 
@BESW Good plan
On that note I should check the scifi admin dash
 
@BESW I can see why. I can't help but stick that link into the comments though. Myths turned into enforced orthodoxy are a pet peeve of mine. Maybe that will plant a seed.
 
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