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Tarmikos11

07:24

Oh my god that Old Man Henderson story was SO GOOD.

Is there any way to regain sanity in Call of Cthulu?

BESW

In CoC? depends on the nature of it.

There's temporary, indefinite, and permanent insanity; the first two are based on what percentage of your total score you lost at once, while the last is just "you hit 0."

None of it is truly irredeemable, but permanent insanity generally means you're going to be a raging hobo or locked up for months, if not years.

I don't know about Trail of Cthulhu, though.

Tarmikos11

I went and looked into it, because if I ever wind up in a CoC game, I wanna work another possible path to a Victory.

Lord_Gareth

07:40

@Tarmikos11 Henderson was aided greatly by the GM being...the way he was.

I very much doubt such a thing would be possible with the assumed/intended caliber of GM

BESW

I'm trying to figure out the narrative positioning of the GM and players.

Like, when Henderson sees a lawn gnome stuck to the truck; who decided to narrate that in?

Lord_Gareth

@BESW WHM's story implies that the GM put it there.

BESW

He makes it sound like the GM did it, but I'm having a hard time believing even that GM was derp enough to not see that's the worst kind of enablement you could possibly give Henderson and GOOD WILL NOT COME OF IT.

Tarmikos11

I'm aware, but I'm curious to see if I can make a CoC character become so desensitized to the horrors of reality that he/she stops losing sanity save for in INCREDIBLE displays of logic [snip]ery, resulting in them being able to basically use the powers of the dark, forbidding reality against the ones who weave it.

Except on purpose, and with intense therapy sessions between attempts at doing so.

BESW

@Tarmikos11 That would mean he has gone insane.

Tarmikos11

07:43

@BESW That's the fun part, trying to balance the horror with the power into an effective combination.

BESW

If you are not affected by cosmic panic, that means you are now one with it.

Tarmikos11

Okay, so perhaps tapping a level of a specific type of insanity that results in the horror being lessened.

Lord_Gareth

@BESW Please do not become one with me, I already have a wife.

BESW

I suggest you read cthulhu-dark. It's a quick, short read that really essentialises the nature of the Mythos Investigator (as they're purely an RPG concept and it's not helpful to equate Investigator PCs to characters in any other Mythos medium).

You may also find this useful:

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A: Did Lovecraft ever describe his fiction as 'cosmic horror'?

Yes, he used the exact phrase "cosmic horror." But not to describe the beings of which he wrote! So far as I can make out, when he mentions cosmic horror --whether in his stories or his essays-- it is the ideas, not the monsters, to which he refers. In his essay Supernatural Horror in Literatu...

Tarmikos11

They describe Shoggoths as looking vaguely like poodles, so if you played a character that was naiive enough to see them as actually being poodles, it could result in the horror being lessened... Or perhaps make it FAR, FAR worse.

BESW

07:48

That could represent a successful roll to not gain insanity points, but it would trivialise the insanity mechanic if you could simply narrate away the need for making the roll.

Tarmikos11

So basically, it'd be luck of the dice at that point.

Lord_Gareth

@Tarmikos11 Let me put this to you as tactfully as possible: you are missing the point on every possible level that you could miss the point. Narrative, check, gameplay, check, simulation, check

Tarmikos11

@Lord_Gareth Clearly.

BESW

No GM worth his salt would let you get away with a character like that, because it's actively subverting the game everyone's there to play.

Lord_Gareth

The insanity check is not as-compared-to-normal-thought.

It is not the insanity caused by a hurt mind trying to heal itself

(and failing obvs but that's a different conversation)

BESW

07:49

Horror gaming is a delicate construct which needs buy-in from the players in order to not become farce.

Lord_Gareth

The insanity you get from witnessing the Things That Should Not Be is from having every component of your brain assailed with a blue screen

It's from being bludgeoned to death with primal fear

Tarmikos11

It's the insanity caused by having everything you ever knew to be real getting ripped appart.

It's this song. youtube.com/watch?v=KThlYHfIVa8

So clearly I don't understand the concepts of this game, and therefore should not play it.

Got it.

Lord_Gareth

You possibly should have gotten the hint when they said point-blank that Henderson was a troll character designed for revenge from beyond the grave of 3 unfairly slain characters that robbed the player of his agency

BESW

Old Man Henderson's stories are... not to be taken as representational.

Lord_Gareth

The GM really broke the cardinal rule in the worst way.

You don't rob players of their agency.

In a big involved campaign world, players get to control exactly 1 thing

Taking that thing away from them is tantamount to asking them to leave

Tarmikos11

07:55

I started to get the impression of how anti-GM Old Man Henderson was when they went into detail about the shear insanity of the character's Background story.

BESW

@Lord_Gareth On the other hand, I have a player who is seriously upset that he hasn't yet been able to accumulate 6 Insanity and become a cultist.

Lord_Gareth

@BESW You spelled it 'player', but I heard 'avid fan of having weasels stapled to his crotch'.

Tarmikos11

@Lord_Gareth [Starts laughing and coughing to near-death again]

trogdor

@BESW eh?

Lord_Gareth

I'm getting the feeling that your presence in this chat may cause me to kill my first man. I am unsure of how to feel about such a comedic act of negligent homicide.

Tarmikos11

07:58

Unrelated to all of this. I love how the local convenience store makes a point of making sure that the Soda Fountain doesn't run out of the flavors me and my family drink.

BESW

Every game of CD, the same pattern: most of the party shoots up to 3 or 4 Insanity really fast, and then the Investigator with the least Insanity uncovers something horrible skyrockets to 5, and everything goes to hell.

@trogdor Dan.

trogdor

ah

I was the player who hadn't ever died till our very latest game

Lord_Gareth

Fun fact - stapling a weasel to anything makes it extremely angry. At that point it's just a matter of picking your target.

The one Lovecraft-style game I ever played, my character was the daughter of cultists who narrowly survived the disaster that killed the rest of her family and emerged out the other side in deep denial about being dangerously genre savvy

trogdor

and surprisingly I think we only had 2 cases of 6 insanity characters

Lord_Gareth

But the ST made the mistake of trying to run an actual horror game in nWoD

Erm, sorry, oWoD

Things turned into action heroes very swiftly

Because oWoD is a freaking cesspit

Tarmikos11

08:02

All the Old Man Hendersons?

Except minus the troll side of things?

Lord_Gareth

@Tarmikos11 All the reality-warping mage apprentices

Tarmikos11

Oh.

Well, that's no fun.

Lord_Gareth

Like, legit here, dangerously genre-savvy girl disrupted a cultist ritual by causing them to garble the incantations while hallucinating correct ones

Thus making all of them explode in waves of uncontrolled 'dox

That killed the BBEG

Time to total plot destruction: three hours

Tarmikos11

Somebody has to be left to cope with the crippling realization that everything they understood about Reality isn't worth the dirt the players are standing on.

Lord_Gareth

Four months of careful planning, wholly undone by the ST not understanding that oWoD is mostly composed of false advertising

Tarmikos11

08:04

... What in the flying hell is oWoD?

Wait, nevermind.

World of Darkness.

Lord_Gareth

Old World of Darkness

Tarmikos11

Took me a bit.

Lord_Gareth

A very poorly written supernatural action movie RPG

That lies to you

And claims to be about horror and deep moral questions

Tarmikos11

I'm usually better with Acronyms, Idunno what's wrong with me this year.

youtube.com/watch?v=k76IGLi6jWI Related to the topic of stapling weasels to things.

BESW

@Lord_Gareth Thanks to The Power Of Unclear Pronounce Reference, I'm going to choose to read that as meaning stapling a weasel to something enrages the thing the weasel's been stapled to.

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Lord_Gareth

08:12

@BESW Free barbarian rage exploit!

Tarmikos11

@Lord_Gareth [Takes note for Furnok]

Tarmikos11

08:31

Friendly reminder for folks that the plot of most Fallout games can be summed up with "A young adult deals with the troubles involved in making it on their own."

lisardggY

09:23

Guten morgen, alles.

Tarmikos11

09:39

Guten morgen, meine freund.

Magician

10:18

Guten tag

What, no one remembers that boss saying that? I feel old...

lisardggY

@Magician In the 20 years since I've played Wolfenstein, other German associations have overridden that one. :)

Murch

What's up with the German? ;)

Tarmikos11

10:51

Ich habbe keine idae. (Please don't shoot me for badly spelled German. I took the class three years ago.)

lisardggY

Can't a guy just casually greet his chat-room compatriots with a bit of borrowed German he can hardly speak? :)

Tarmikos11

I got no problem with it.

So, I went and bought myself a Cigar from the convenience store, and I regret it.

Because those cigars suck.

Murch

@lisardggY No problem, just curious. :)

Tarmikos11

TROGDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!

youtube.com/watch?v=90X5NJleYJQ <- Obligatory link.

Tarmikos11

11:13

So, I got a bi-polar friend who's in a down time. Anyone know anything about helping that?

Nevermind. Figured it out.

Magician

11:29

Sqeee, a player has drawn their character from our Fate game.

lisardggY

Awesome.

On the occasions that my gaming groups contained people who could draw, it was always awesome when they drew the characters or scenes from the game.

Not being a particularly visual person, I am often surprised at how my own characters come out when drawn.

Magician

11:59

I particularly like how both me and the players are listed as authors of the story. Which is very true, and why I'm loving Fate.

BESW

12:22

Yes!

@Magician I'm looking forward that with this DFAE playtest; until now most of our games have been more traditional in terms of GM/player relationships to plot.

But I really want to hand it over to the players this time around.

"I'm investigating!" [rolls success with style] "What did I find out?"
"What *did* you find out? Please, tell us."

Tarmikos11

@BESW I hate to potentially be a bother, but, I have a vague feeling that you've heard me mention my foray into DM'ing, and I was wondering if you had any advice that helped you when you got started?

BESW

BTW, @Magician, I told my mother about Citizen Science, and she in turn has informed me of Citizen Cartography.

@Tarmikos11 Hmmm.

Do you have any particular challenges you're facing, or are you looking for general wisdom/insight/derp to avoid?

Tarmikos11

Mostly the latter. Take your time thinking on that, I gotta get ready for work.

BESW

See, most of the gamers I knew when I started GMing were almost as new to it as I was, and none of them had any experience GMing at all.

Tarmikos11

I'm in the same boat, but I still wanna make sure that if/when they play with a different GM, their standards aren't SUPER low.

BESW

12:35

So I didn't have a lot of advice being given me outside of what the 3.0 and 3.5 DMGs dispensed, and I had to learn mostly from my own mistakes.

Tarmikos11

I wanna give my players a memorable experience that's not just memorable for being the first game (For some of them) but memorable in relation to other games later.

And a decent set of standards for what a DM should be/do.

Thankfully, even though I'm working in my own setting, I'm keeping the adventures fairly standard fare 'til I get my metaphorical sea legs.

They're starting at level 2, so I figure around level five I'll have garnered a combination of my own experience and the advice of others enough to start running more complex adventures.

BESW

I was extremely ambitious, adapting a bizarre setting from a novel which I now realise was written as a subversion of the D&D setting.

I showed up to the first session with great stacks of plot notes which I had to throw out half an hour into the game because Rule One: Your Players Will Never Do What You're Counting On Them To Do.

Tarmikos11

I'm running an AU version of the Greyhawk setting, set in a fairly distant future from the typical setting (Though not having progressed much in technology) where all the classic Gods have died, (Save for Obad-Hai) and an artifact was made to account for the power vaccuum.

Which tests would-be gods based on their achievements and personal merit.

Kinda like a sorting hat, but with a much simpler set of options. Yes or No.

BESW

So, there are as many version of what GMs should be or do as there are GMs, it seems.

Tarmikos11

Well, I'm kinda worried that every time anything happens that's bigger than a few monsters at a time, my players will wanna go to where this Artifact is and try for Godhood.

I have plans for discouraging that, but I worry it might seem like I'm arbitrarily punishing them for going outside my plans.

BESW

12:43

A D&D Dungeon Master has a different set of expectations than a Fate Game Master than a White Wolf Storyteller than a Call of Cthulhu Keeper, and within each of those contexts there's a wide spectrum of "the right way to do it."

Tarmikos11

I think this idea of mine is a good one, in regards to the God Artifact. Wanna hear it?

BESW

Here's my cardinal rule of gaming, for players and GMs alike: Make sure everyone is safe and happy, in that order, and talk with the group about what will help keep them safe and happy.

Tarmikos11

Safe in real life safe? Or in-game safe?

Because from what I understand, you don't really want them to feel safe, otherwise the experience of winning a fight becomes trivial.

BESW

Real life safe. I know that seems kinda no-duh, but believe me: it's not always obvious and easy.

Tarmikos11

I was referring to in-game safe in the thing I mentioned.

Also, for the real life side of things, it helps that I'm running it through roll20 and not at a real table.

BESW

12:46

Table environment is paramount. If you have a group environment where everyone feels safe and knows their ideas about how the game experience should go will be listened to and respected, you've won.

Tarmikos11

Lots of potential for inter-party conflict with this group.

BESW

"Safe" includes physical and mental safety. I've got a player who will leave the group if I ever make bees a threat in the game; I've had other players who feel real-life discomfort if certain religious or sexual topics are handled too bluntly.

Tarmikos11

To explain, Lawful Good Cleric, Lawful Neutral Sorceress, Neutral Good Bard (With a Lawful Evil side, long story) True Neutral Rogue, and a Chaotic Evil Barbarian.

BESW

If you can get a group dynamic where players feel free to give input on the experience, and you listen to it, then your mistakes will be forgiven and your triumphs will belong to the group. That will make a memorable experience.

Tarmikos11

[Nods and tips hat] Much obliged.

BESW

12:49

I made a TON of awful mistakes at first, and @trogdor will tell you I still commit massive boners on a semi-regular basis.

Tarmikos11

I hate to be rude, but I do gotta start getting ready for work, so I'll see you and the other folks here later.

BESW

Aight, see you around.

But I respected my players enough to own up to my mistakes, make restitution and ask forgiveness, and I listened to them and tried to learn from them.

In turn they gained enough trust in me not to second-guess and challenge my choices unless it was actively making them uncomfortable.

here, have a story from one of my very first sessions:

The Tale of The Dwarven Cleric, or I Poke Him: 101 Stupid RP Tricks, Volume One.

Dec 26 '12 at 12:06, 7 minutes total – 36 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jun 25 '13 at 19:03 by BESW

@Lord_Gareth I have a tweet for you.

Someone take the internet away from me, I'm using it to get into fights with people again.

Tweeted by KyleKallgren on September 7, 2014 at 12:15 PM

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Lord_Gareth

14:01

Thank you, @BESW, for this wonderful gift

BESW

@Lord_Gareth [bow and a flourish]

BESW

14:55

New Doctor Who episode: lots of nods to some questionable but classic Old Who stuff, no Missy, some deliciously indulgent ridiculousness, and an actor who really should have been cast as the Master.

Lord_Gareth

Huh. This pic of /V/'s daughter is pretty awesome

BESW

Also: fan theories are beginning to lean toward a Green Lantern crossover.

lisardggY

15:08

@BESW I'll watch it in an hour or two, after the baby's asleep.

Finally watched Guardians of the Galaxy, though. I'm back in the conversation!

BESW

@lisardggY I'll just say this: "Pink, Blue, and Scarlet."

@lisardggY yey!

Lord_Gareth

@lisardggY TELL ME NOTHING

I WILL DESTROY ALL YOU LOVE

lisardggY

@BESW It's not lacking in flaws, but it's the Marvel movie I've most enjoyed, I think.

@Lord_Gareth FINE! I SHALL HOLD MY TONGUE AND BE SILENT!

BESW

@Lord_Gareth Nothing will go over your head.

Lord_Gareth

In other news, I've been playing this ex-ganger in a Star Wars freeform I'm in. She was up in a training match against a classist bully, decided to fight him without her lightsaber. Notable for this story in context: the two of them are training to become Imperial Knights, a Force-using tradition from the EU notable for their militaristic culture and favoring gauntlets that can short out lightsabers.

lisardggY

15:15

My usual line when someone asks for no spoilers on something is to go "But there was the awesome bit with the aliens!". This, I realize, works better for shows and movies which do not, in fact, have aliens in them.

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Lord_Gareth

Dude makes fun of her for not having a weapon, she laughs and says she's wearing four weapons.

BESW

@lisardggY Well, in that case.

Lord_Gareth

Classist jerk charges her with the saber like it's a claymore and she grabs it to short it, clocks him across the face ("One), uppercuts his jaw into a splintered mess of bone ("two"), kicks his knee in ("three") and then stomps on his chest and leans over. "Four. And if you ever say anything about my lover again, the stomp goes where you don't heal."

BESW

@Lord_Gareth But there was this awesome bit with ~~aliens~~ ~~a duck~~ ~~Kevin Bacon~~ aliens!

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Lord_Gareth

Rest of the squad's looking at her like "What the hell?"

(And then she got in trouble for excessive force in training :p)

You know, one thing that bugs me with RPGs in general, but especially ones that claim to model realistic combat, is both how non-lethal unarmed attacks are, and how little putting on stuff like boots & gauntlets helps.

I mean, if you put on a plate glove you essentially have a mace at the end of your arm.

Big plate boots will mess a dude right the hell up in a decidedly lethal manner

BESW

15:23

DFAE setting: a little town on a tiny island off the coast of Hawaii. Generally not a particularly supernatural locale; there are some little folk on the fae side of things, but in the "real world" there's just the occasional changeling or minor practitioner.

lisardggY

@Lord_Gareth I don't actually know many that really try to model realistic combat.

Even the ones with hit locations and location-specific hit points and such don't really try to model combat, only to give the player more crunch to fiddle with.

BESW

It's home base for a gang that operates on the mainland, because the only access is by boat so they can keep an eye on who comes and goes.

lisardggY

It's more detailed, not more realistic.

Lord_Gareth

@lisardggY D&D and Pathfinder make a big deal about it, which is annoying when they do failsauce stuff like that.

Or, say, the sling reloading mechanics

Which are just...painful.

BESW

Current issue is probably related to organised crime; impending issue is that a LOT of international-level supernatural powers are about to be looking at this little island very VERY closely.

Lord_Gareth

15:25

And to continue with that specific example

lisardggY

@Lord_Gareth I disagree. 3.PF are entirely unrealistic. They have little bits like reloading and stuff, usually for balance's sake, maybe flavored as realism, but I don't think you'll find the word "realism" used much.

BESW

(The White Council and Monoc Securities already have agents on the ground there.)

Lord_Gareth

A ton of the stuff 3.PF adds to stuff don't actually balance the game and are explicitly stated to be there for 'realism'

Like crossbow reloading

lisardggY

Just because there are more details to mess with doesn't mean it's going for realism.

Lord_Gareth

@lisardggY Designers running off at the mouth like idiots usually does, though. Explicit statements are a nice thing that way.

lisardggY

15:26

There's a difference between believability/internal coherency and simulated realism.

Although the two are often conflated.

BESW

Potential places to give aspects and faces: the dock, a bar and/or a club; a seedy apartment building; wherever the gangsters hold court.

lisardggY

Even by designers.

BESW

And now, goodnight.

lisardggY

@BESW It's all pretty cool, since I'm guessing most of your players won't be pacific islanders, so the setting will be innovative for them

Lord_Gareth

You know, Riven is a great example of a character whose beliefs change when they are challenged without involving a total rejection of those beliefs (related: youtube.com/watch?v=FITJ_aB0HpQ)

Riven was raised in the city of Noxus (in the setting of League of Legends), believing in the Noxian values of strength, independence and worth through might.

She joins the army thinking to earn glory and prove her strength, her value to the city she loves.

During the course of the war she fought, she assassinated civilians, crushed enemy battalions on her own, no questioning of her orders.

And then she saw the other side of Noxus - the side that gas bombs towns with mutagens, the side that shields their elite instead of making them prove their worth, the side that preaches strength and practices weakness

And she left. She left but she hasn't abandoned Noxus as an ideal. What she has abandoned is the idea that strength entitles you to do whatever you want

The strong should rule, in her mind - but only so long as they remain responsible to and for the weak

She sees Noxus as a place that's betrayed its own ideals because of leadership that perverts them

And that has been my rambling about Riven

Lord_Gareth

16:38

@Magician - I think I may do my next blog post on the idea of opportunity costs, possibly specifically opportunity costs in 3.PF and how that influences design & character optimization decisions

Or possibly how it should influence design decisions since Paizo made it clear ages ago if they gave less of a damn they would enter Platonic levels of not caring about their own work.

The Oracle

18:42

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Q: I think I just created a tag, is it appropriate?

I didn't notice we didn't already have a roll20 tag for the pretty big virtual tabletop located at roll20.net. I added a few tags to a new question and afterwards clicked the roll20 tag to see the tag-wiki for it out of curiosity; and then noticed it not only didn't have a tag wiki, but it only ...

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user61230

20:38

We seem to be growing a plague of "do what is the most fun" answers, particularly to technical questions.

Zachiel

22:16

@Lord_Gareth Pretty awesome and what the hell happened to her thumb

The Oracle

23:04

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Q: The [rules] tag has just been burninated

I just burninated the rules tag. It had no wiki, and appeared to be uselessly broad, since almost every question on here is about rules. I'm leaving this question here to record this burnination. If this tag crops up again, we'll know it isn't the first time, and maybe it'll be worth blacklistin...

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doppelgreener

@Zachiel that is a good question and i wonder if the painter is asking themselves that

Miniman

@Emrakul Yep, getting rules-as-written answers is tough around here. Especially since we're not meant to use the rules-as-written tag.

trogdor

@doppelgreener approved

doppelgreener

@trogdor good to have your seal of approval on your seal of approval

trogdor

lol

doppelgreener

23:17

@Emrakul on which questions, 5e questions or in general?

user61230

@doppelgreener Well, really any question regarding the interpretation of a spell, or "what should I do as a GM?" questions

doppelgreener

@Emrakul if it is a major consistent problem, you could point it out in a similar fashion to how BESW pointed out the fate gremlin:

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Q: The gremlin in our answers: "Fate is narrative" answers to mechanical Fate questions

It seems like there's a gremlin in the Fate answers. He bites without warning, no one is immune, and while he'd been quiet for some time, he's back now. And he's making it hard to get good answers, which makes people not want to ask at all (I'll explain that at the end, after I've defined what I'...

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there is often room for 'do what is fun' in those questions but if it comes in place of actually answering the question that is a problem

Miniman

@doppelgreener I've thought about doing something like this, but it's a scarily contentious issue to go near.

Zachiel

@doppelgreener My impression is that the painter wanted / was asked to put her thumpb on top of the joystick and, rather than redrawing the whole arm...

doppelgreener

@Zachiel that'd make sense, though I'd err to just leave her thumb off it...

or move the joystick?

@Miniman first step would be to gather some concrete, super good examples of what's going on here, so we can work on it further

if it's a case of people simply not answering the question - i.e. not providing any insight into the problem - and instead saying something like "do whatever's fun!" then we have a category of non-answers that is pretty close to the case of the fate gremlin

Hellovart

23:26

if I have a pointer1, and pointer2 pointing to pointer1, and I set pointer2 equal to nullptr does that create a memory leak?

Miniman

@Hellovart 100% off-topic for this chat

@doppelgreener I think the tendency is more towards 'I don't know about the rules but here is how I would rule on that issue.'

Which is an answer, it's just a fairly crappy one.

BESW

@doppelgreener I did not find that meta post especially helpful to make; this one is better:

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Q: How do we handle a desire to challenge the frame of a question?

Sometimes, someone asks a question that seems like it might suffer from the XY Problem (asking about your attempted solution instead of your actual problem) and you want to point that out. Or you feel that something about the question frame makes answering the question invalid and the only tenab...

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Hey, look, a plot hook:

A combo gunsmith and collectible doll shop moved in next to the grocery store. I love this town. It worries me sometimes.

Tweeted by UrsulaV on September 7, 2014 at 6:26 PM

trogdor

@BESW this is a lot like Moylans Party World, and Moylans Guns and Ammo

they are literally the same building

BESW

Yes.

trogdor

cut into 2 halves

XD

BESW

23:41

For those not familiar with Guam, there is also a Moylan's Insurance.

doppelgreener

@BESW Both were helpful. Yours at least pointed out the behaviour, brought out discussion on it, brought attention to its impact by the people engaging in it, gave it a name, and gave us something to link to when people did it.

Adeptus

Worst part about reading back through the weekend's transcript... do I reply to a days-old conversation that interests me, or not...?

doppelgreener

@Miniman oh. yes, agreed.

Miniman

@Adeptus I know exactly what you mean.

doppelgreener

@trogdor ... i can see how that would work well together

trogdor

23:44

@doppelgreener yes, but that would likely be an illegal party

Miniman

@BESW This Moylan guy sounds awesome. And probably Mafia-ish.

doppelgreener

@Lord_Gareth this made me smile a lot

BESW

@Miniman The Moylan family is also prominent in the local government.

Miniman

How do you strikethrough in chat?

BESW

---strikethrough---

But on mainsite it's <s>strikethrough</s>

Miniman

23:46

@BESW This Moylan guy sounds awesome. And ~~probably~~ Mafia-ish.

@doppelgreener Half-Life: Physics is really hard.

doppelgreener

@Miniman especially during alien invasions

BESW

Half-Life: Physicist's upper-body workout regimen pays off.

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trogdor

lol

It certainly does

I don't know anyone else who can sustain swinging a crowbar indefinitely

Miniman

@trogdor Never mind that, he slaughtered hundreds of professional soldiers by himself!

trogdor

he did

I am not saying he didn't

BESW

23:54

@trogdor Well, Jack from BioShock.

It's a wrench, but same smell.

Miniman

@trogdor And you don't find it more impressive than swinging a crowbar?

trogdor

I am saying some of those soldiers, and also some aliens, have very suspicious crowbar shaped wounds

Miniman

@BESW 100% coincidence.

trogdor

@Miniman that isn't what I am saying

the crowbar swinging is a product of his strength

Miniman

@trogdor Or is it the cause? Does his upper-body workout regimen consist entirely of crowbar swinging? This would explain much.

trogdor

23:56

XD

possibly

he is a strange person

and since he doesn't talk, we may never know

doppelgreener

imagining Gordon Freeman as a maniac who swings crowbars endlessly each day for exercise suddenly explains so much

trogdor

@doppelgreener it does

this is something I imagined while playing Half life, during certain points

Miniman

The one I still don't get is Red Faction. At the start of the game, you go through a tutorial where they tell you you're a Red Faction operative who's going there to help the revolution. Then the game starts and you're a random miner who's never even heard of the Red Faction.

trogdor

I would sometimes charge people who were shooting me, swinging a crowbar, and still manage to kill them all

BESW

@doppelgreener @trogdor If you have anything to suggest re: issues/faces/places for our DFAE game, I'd love to hear it.

@Miniman That sounds like a Paranoia plot to me.

The Tale of The Dwarven Cleric, or I Poke Him: 101 Stupid RP Tricks, Volume One.

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