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BESW

00:00

Has it been ransacked and looted? Did a wildfire burn through? Is this an area noted for storms or earthquakes?

The Oracle

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Q: Ia, Ia, [tag:Cthulhu] Fthagn! (Driving a boat through it.)

While commenting on the need for a God Machine tag that stands separately from the nwod-god-machine tag, I made an offhand reference to a hypothetical cthulhu. Turns out we have one. Turns out it's being used awfully. Here's the description from the tag wiki: "Cthulhu is a fiction being [si...

doppelgreener

Recording this at the end of my settings ideas document

BESW

00:42

Flag/delete as you're able.

Oxinabox

yep

BESW

01:29

@Quentin Hi!

Adeptus

On the subject of Cthulhu... Margate Fhtagn (a song)

Mourdos

02:07

You know, sometimes it is nice to see that people care.

Today is one of these days. :-)

wax eagle

@Mourdos that's good, do we get any context, or just get to feel happy for you?

BESW

@Mourdos Yey!

Joshua Aslan Smith

hola

BESW

[wave]

Joshua Aslan Smith

I think as a 5e gm IM going to want to vet multiclassed PCs

BESW

02:20

I've excised Turlough, because his complexity isn't good for a one-shot.

Joshua Aslan Smith

hmmm that is an excellent point

should replace him with tegan

this is who like scenarios using the cthulu dark system right?

BESW

Right now I'm trying to write up a young Sarah Jane without mentioning twisted ankles.

Joshua Aslan Smith

hahaha

BESW

@JoshuaAslanSmith Actually it's a FAE one-shot for next week, to celebrate the new season/Doctor.

Joshua Aslan Smith

the obvious companion to write is K9

BESW

02:21

Link to drafts

Joshua Aslan Smith

one sentence in and I am already laughing

Cosmic hobo is where it is at

@BESW YES GOLD BADGE

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith not a bad idea...I'd be checking for obvious fails as much as OP stuff (I'm generally not concerned with crazy OP stuff as of yet in 5e)

Joshua Aslan Smith

right I dont think its buh-roken but more that players will misinterpret the interaction of class features to think theyve made win-sauce

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith ooh which one?

BESW

@waxeagle He's talking about the Doctor Who companion Adric, who has a gold badge for excellence in mathematics.

I made it one of his aspects.

Joshua Aslan Smith

02:27

it works both on a meta and physical level as aspect

wax eagle

@BESW aaaaah need to get on that watching of old Who

Joshua Aslan Smith

which is why it is awesome

BESW

@JoshuaAslanSmith I love it when I can do that.

How do I set a Drive doc so that people can edit, and their edits are registered as suggestions?

Joshua Aslan Smith

K9s trouble should be interesting

@besw right now it looks like I can edit and its a suggestion

BESW

Okay, good.

Joshua Aslan Smith

02:30

look at my test

BESW

Yes, that worked.

Try it now.

Okay, cool. Looks like I can edit directly but everyone else's are suggestions. (At first my edits were suggestions, too.)

wax eagle

sweet, I don't have to buy a new printer

BESW

Yey!

wax eagle

was a bit worried as until tonight I'd had no success getting the printer to play nice with windows 8. Which wasn't a big deal because myn had a Vista laptop that played just fine with it. Said laptop is now a doorstop and she has a fancy dancy new Windows 8 laptop, so it became imperative to figure it out. Thankfully it seems the good folks at Dell have updated their driver...while not officially compatible, it works (also I don't think I've tried since Windows 8.1 dropped)

BESW

@JoshuaAslanSmith Here, have an appropriate song for the task.

►

Joshua Aslan Smith

02:38

haha

@besw trying to decide whether his trouble should be his willingness to sacrifice himself or if it should be that there are multiple versions of him

or maybe just wheels

BESW

@JoshuaAslanSmith THIS.

BESW

02:51

For Tegan I'm kinda extrapolating and ignoring some of the bad writing she got saddled with.

Like Kamelion, I consider this an opportunity to think about what companions could have been.

doppelgreener

03:02

@BESW hmmmmmmmmm. I kinda want to play him, too. I haven't played a character like him before!

BESW

@doppelgreener Hee.

That's good.

doppelgreener

@BESW I left some comments on Kameleon for you to field

I have some concerns regarding his current trouble, but there's an alternative.

BESW

Yeah, it's a bit of a mushy thing. First off, though: Trouble aspects don't need to be invocable for benefit.

trogdor

I am personally interested in playing Leela, Ace, or K9

BESW

Second, I'm trying to figure out how to re-phrase it so that it's less "I'm easily broken" and more "I'm in serious need of a tune-up because nobody knows how to do my regular maintenance."

trogdor

03:15

they are cool, in my opinion, without missing out on having serious personal problems

K9 being at all internally aflicted is a new concept for me for the particular character

after listening to that song

even if it was not necessarily an intended character trait

BESW

Well, he's definitely surly and stubborn around the Doctor but generally compliant and helpful with Sarah Jane.

And yes, I love that song for pointing it out.

Chameleon Circuit has some great secondary character odes; Mr. Pond is good too.

trogdor

yeah

I have already heard that. unfortunately, I was already aware of it's unfortunate, and at least a little creepy, subtext

Joshua Aslan Smith

back

@besw Teganaspect: Den Mother to the Tardis or something like that

doppelgreener

@BESW Hmmmmm. Ok then.

@BESW How does that manifest in what he does?

BESW

@doppelgreener It's a Trouble, so it manifests in obstacles to his goals.

trogdor

03:30

lol, if I didn't think it was a little too silly, I would suggest "Deus ex Dogina" as an aspect for K9

or Dog Ex Machina

XD

BESW

Silly and overpowered.

trogdor

yes

it's really more of a joke

but I have to admit, in the show that seemed to be what he was mainly used for

doppelgreener

@BESW Well, yeah, but concretely did that show up somewhere in the show, and how did it?

not to dismiss that summary of troubles, I haven't heard it put that way before and I have learned something about them, but that also wasn't the kind of answer I was fishing for ;)

This is in the interests of working out both how to use it, and how to phrase the aspect.

BESW

@doppelgreener No; he only showed up in three stories and hardly at all in some of them. In the show, his primary Trouble was that he could be dominated and controlled by strong personalities.

This... didn't really seem like fun in a FAE game.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@besw lol was trying to figure out how to free the image

I dont use gdrive for creation that much, stick to onedrive for that

doppelgreener

03:38

@BESW yeah fair enough, not so much. So we get to wing it in what his lack of maintenance means?

BESW

Yeah.

doppelgreener

Ok, I'll think on it. :)

BESW

I figure he gets compelled and invoked against for him to malfunction: clumsiness, momentarily dropping his assumed shape, forgetting things, etc.

Joshua Aslan Smith

So the because sections would be like Stunts in Fate

BESW

Yes.

Joshua Aslan Smith

03:40

do they work terribly differently in FAE?

BESW

> Because I [describe some way that you are exceptional, have a cool bit of gear, or are otherwise awesome], I get a +2 when I [pick one: Carefully, Cleverly, Flashily, Forcefully, Quickly, Sneakily] [pick one: attack, defend, create advantages, overcome] when [describe a circumstance].

Joshua Aslan Smith

gotcha

BESW

> Because I [describe some way that you are exceptional, have a cool bit of gear, or are otherwise awesome], once per game session I can [describe something cool you can do].

I've added some more full-form Core-style stunts when it seemed appropriate.

(Like for Ace's can of Nitro-9)

@doppelgreener I can't get a tune-up?

Joshua Aslan Smith

goes to look at the description for flashy in FAE

doppelgreener

hrm.

I have a concern with this trouble...

The way it gets compelled, it sounds like it'd take this shape:

"I try to do something." "It doesn't work." - or - "I am doing something." "You suddenly can't!"

for arbitrary somethings

BESW

03:45

Well, remember it's "I'll give you a Fate point if you can't."

And it's also for invoking, IE: "I try to do something." "I spend a Fate point to make it harder."

Joshua Aslan Smith

hmmm and you can always pay a fate point to cancel a GM compel

@doppelgreener which trouble?

BESW

Kamelion's, which is basically "I can't get a tune-up."

doppelgreener

Right. I guess I have an issue with it because I would be under threat of that invoke no matter what I do. (At least, that feels like a threat to me, this might be something I grow past?) At the same time, other troubles give me a clear route for "You do this instead which pushes thing forward but makes them go awry at the same time, and you are still actively doing something."

Joshua Aslan Smith

right I think its valid because without it his abilities are very very powerful

trogdor

yeah

Joshua Aslan Smith

03:50

ah youre saying because its not a personality trait you don't see its invoking as being something you can readily expect/plan

trogdor

plus, it really isn't a bad thing if your trouble can be compelled on almost anything

doppelgreener

I think his lack of a sense of identity or purpose is more compelling as a trouble, because it could push him to do things he might otherwise not, and in the meantime cause problems.

BESW

I see where you're coming from, but his lack of a sense of purpose is equally unformed.

As a trouble, it'd basically make him the bad kind of Chaotic Neutral PC.

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah Kamelion is trying to become a normal/goodish person after being used as a assassin and spy by various evil people

its why hes a great companion for the 5th doctor, really highlighted that incarnations strengths for lifting up others

BESW

04:22

...sometimes random phrases float through my brain. As now: "Help, I've fallen and my co-conspirators won't help me up, which has led to a cathartic realisation that I should change my evil ways!"

doppelgreener

@BESW i see what you mean then

@BESW hahaha.

@JoshuaAslanSmith do you think there might be a non-Chaotic Neutral trouble in there for him?

Magician

Hello

doppelgreener

@Magician Hi!

BESW

04:39

yo.

Magician

I have a massive 4-way battle (one of the sides being PCs) coming up in the next Fate game, king-of-the-hill style. I'm not yet sure how to handle that.

I obviously don't want to actually calculate everyone's actions, and the real objective of the battle is taking hold of a particular person.

Unrelatedly, this:

Dear @Hulu, either you're very confused or this is the best show idea ever! #DoctorWho - http://t.co/Bahx8fO71D

Tweeted by BrainClouds on August 25, 2014 at 4:44 AM

doppelgreener

@Magician Lots of ways to do it. That includes modelling each side as a single character, or the NPC sides as a single character, or even skipping those altogether and making something else the opposition. You can have a conflict, or a contest, or a challenge.

@Magician Nice. XD

BESW

@Magician [falls over]

@Magician I think more details would be needed in order to say how to run that.

Magician

Gladly :D

...I've started typing up the summary of the game so far, but that's probably too much. Suffice it to say, there's a very special (in an unknown way) girl being held by the mob. Dr Von Bat has called her his "daughter", SENSE agent Catherine Silver has called her an "asset", and mob capo Clarissa had called her a "friend". Everyone's converged to fight over her, and so have PCs.

BESW

04:56

Because whenever there's something other people want, the PCs want it too. Just to keep the others from having it, if nothing else.

Magician

The mob have thunder robots, Von Bat has WOMBATs (Burrowing Buldozers on Legs) and The Bouncer (a kinetic villain), SENSE has black helicopters and jetpacks. The showdown is on the fringe of the destroyed area in Sydney, which has uninhabitable buildings. The OD Girl herself is in a small cabin at the end of a giant crane, and has just woken up.

@BESW Pretty much. They'll likely take "Kickers of Beehives" as their Team's Trouble.

They've fought WOMBATs, Thunder Robots and The Bouncer before, so there are stats and everything.

BESW

My initial reaction is that this sounds like a contest.

Magician

Except people will definitely be trying to hurt one another.

BESW

But only tangentially, right? It's not the point of the encounter?

Magician

No, it's not.

BESW

04:59

That means injury is going to be a common "cost" for the "success at cost" option when someone fails an Overcome check in the contest.

Magician

Wouldn't a contest blow over quickly, though? I'd want to dedicate a significant amount of time to this.

This being the culmination of the past 3 sessions and everything.

BESW

That's a problem, yes; the time-at-table : importance-to-story ratio is skewed.

Okay, so I've got two ideas.

One is to make it a series of contests.

The other is that a "success at cost" option in the contest could be to zoom in on that particular opposed Overcome check and turn it into a full-on conflict, with the success on the Overcome check being the stakes.

I did that once when Problematic failed his "don't get eaten by wolves in the night" check on a survival-in-the-wilderness challenge.

We zoomed in on that check and made it a contest depicting his trying to escape a ravenous pack of wolves.

Magician

So. Figure out several stages for this (though I'm struggling atm). Each side rolls for a stage of contest. If the PCs win - great. If not, they get to compete with the ones who did in a zoomed-in conflict.

BESW

That's the first option which comes to mind, yes.

Magician

And whoever gets ahead, others would band together to take them down. Perhaps one side creating an advantage and letting another use it, just to knock them down.

BESW

05:09

Aye.

Magician

Curious, I'll need to think of this further. Thanks for the idea!

BESW

Let me know what else you come up with!

Joshua Aslan Smith

05:35

@magician introduce the powerful enemies of each faction when that faction starts to lose

aka 2nd form boss monster style

user61230

06:09

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user61230

This song made me cry.

BESW

07:26

@trogdor More dragons.

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trogdor

yes

doppelgreener

07:52

Hey @mxyzplk, I've been meaning to say this for a little while. I was gonna put it in my new-gm burnination answer, but it's probably beside the point there: I gave you crap in the past here about your mass edits, and asked you not to do too many at once. I want to apologise for that, and retract all that totally.

Back when Brian posted his comments per user meta Q, we got all active editing all over the place to incorporate comments into posts and then get rid of them. That resulted in many waves of edits wiping new content off the front page - and yet everything still worked fine, new questions still got eyes and answers.

The site is far, far more resilient than I gave it credit for.

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(I see that got starred, I'm 100% ok with that)

BESW

08:08

@trogdor Doppelgreener linked to this in meta, and I wasn't sure if you'd see it there.

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Q: I made us some Trogdor graphics!

We seem to have a tradition of using the Homestar Runner character 'Trogdor the Burninator' to request tag deletion. I thought we could use crisper images, so I made my own. >:)

discussion fun

trogdor

lol

ironic since I can't delete anything that isn't mine

or vote to, or however it works

I do still find it amusing

@BESW and you are right, I don't actually check meta really

I hardly actually even go anywhere but chat

BESW

08:31

I've got two choices for the Brigadier's quote and I don't know which to use!

> - Get off my world!
- You know, just once I'd like to meet an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets.

Actually, the first one makes a pretty good aspect.

doppelgreener

08:53

2

re: first one

BESW

doppelgreener

Ah, so his world is Earth? :)

I like his quote a lot!

BESW

Good point, I'll put his years.

Added 1970s and 80s.

(UNIT is the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce, whose primary purpose is to defend against paranormal threats.)

(The Doctor first met the Brigadier when yetis were filling the London underground with lethal fungus.)

Quentin

09:12

Also the 90's. Battlefield was great. Ace goes to a pub 15 years in her future and the Doctor orders three drinks. "That'll be £5 please". "HOW MUCH?!"

I wish you could get three drinks for a fiver in a pub these days!

BESW

@Quentin Ah, right. Got it.

If you'd like to take a look at the sheet of draft characters, it's right here.

Quentin

Crumbs, the second 9th Doctor.

BESW

Or the first, depending.

Quentin

On if you count Curse of the Fatal Death? :)

BESW

Shalka Doctor's my favourite, and a realistic painting of him seemed appropriate for a "generic" portrait.

Quentin

09:30

Oh dear. I've just remembered what happened last time I was in a Doctor Who Companions game. The PCs were Ancelyn (from Battlefield) and Donna (from New Who).

BESW

Oh, my.

Quentin

That pretty much sums it up

BESW

I'm avoiding New Who quite deliberately, because my players are mostly only familiar with New Who and I want to reduce the pressure to RP the companions "accurately."

If you've never seen Adric, there's no expectation that you'll be able to RP him true to the show.

@Quentin What system did you use for that game?

Quentin

@BESW I wasn't running it, but it was DWAITAS

BESW

Cool. I haven't used any of the Doctor Who specific systems, but I'm going to adopt a loose version of the DWAITAS initiative priorities for this game.

All my players know Fate, and FAE is a quick easy system to make a lot of options for partly-premade characters.

Aaron

12:03

Good morning

BESW

[wave]

Joshua Aslan Smith

guten morgen

Phil

o/

Joshua Aslan Smith

12:38

BRING OUT YOUR CLOSE VOTES

rpg.stackexchange.com/review/first-posts/10145

BESW

Already on it.

Welcome to rpg.se! Please take a look at the tour and the help center; they're a useful introduction to the site. In particular, Stack Exchange isn't a forum, it's a Q&A site, and the format doesn't really work for questions like this where every answer could be equally right, so I suspect this question will get put on hold soon. However, once you have 20+ rep, feel free to join the Role-playing Games Chat: it's better set up for campaign brainstorming. — BESW 38 secs ago

doppelgreener

12:55

@JoshuaAslanSmith IT IS DONE

BESW

I am also upvoting, because it is a good, articulate, detailed question which simply happens to be far outside our scope.

Why does this have larp tags? Are they useful tags for this question?

doppelgreener

@BESW the specific larp society mentioned is a WOD larp society, but i think not; world-of-darkness and nwod already cover everything

editing now

Phil

@JoshuaAslanSmith Your wish is my command benevolent leader

doppelgreener

@Phil benevolent!?

have you seen what this man has done to adorable animals

he has treated them with the utmost of decency and respect, is what

benevolent is a word we reserve for much lesser beings than his indescribableness

he transcended benevolence an eon ago

also is Tegan's thing on her head a hat or a fascinator or something else

I am not sure about this at all

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Phil You can call me Mr. President

Zachiel

13:09

@doppelgreener It's a dog food bowl, methinks

Joshua Aslan Smith

@doppelgreener airline stewardess hat

doppelgreener

@Zachiel it would make an extremely bad one on account of being made of cloth

@JoshuaAslanSmith aha so it is a hat

Joshua Aslan Smith

she literally was getting dropped off for her first day of work heathrow airport

whent he doctor whowed up to fix a problem nd she got pulled

Zachiel

@doppelgreener It's a plush bowl for plush dogs u_u

doppelgreener

@Zachiel oh yes alright now this makes sense

Joshua Aslan Smith

13:11

She literally is in that uniform for a whole season if not longer

doppelgreener

and the airline uniform designer was confused and/or inspired yes i see

@JoshuaAslanSmith Really!? Jeez

Joshua Aslan Smith

its at least a few "episodes" by which I mean storylines

Zachiel

At least it's not a fez

doppelgreener

I was wondering if she was, based on her being shown in it in some of her defining photos, but google images at least turns up some other stuff

Zachiel

Grapics.se is ignoring me, is somebody into photomanipulation here?

[innocent face] it's for a PC avatar

BESW

13:13

It's not my specialty, but what's up?

Zachiel

I have this image of a woman with smokey hair and a stark white background, this player would like to have the background be transparent to show the background of the site the avatar is published in

I tried white to alpha

But what happens is that most of the figure has some white in it

BESW

Have you tried a simple magic wand?

Zachiel

does not work because smoke

which is supposed to show the background behind it

I tried making a cutout of the solid figure and white-to-alpha only on the hair

but it looks bad because the main figura has a lot of white and outside my cutout it just abruptly switches from white to transparent

BESW

Haruum.

Feather the selection?

Zachiel

Mh, I'm starting thinking the problem might be unsolvable

BESW

13:18

Give me a shot at it?

It's definitely not something I'm great at, but I've got a lot of fiddlewith experience.

Zachiel

and the reason is: the only way to distinguish from white smoke or skin color and white background I want to become transparent is redrawing the whole thing

oh, I'm not the only one who's been asked to work on it, let's see if the others manage to before involving externals ;)

but thanks for the wossname

disponibility?

Joshua Aslan Smith

your description of the picture instantly made me think of this.

BESW

@Zachiel You've wordified an unpossible new verbiage.

Joshua Aslan Smith

hahaha

Zachiel

@BESW willingness

BESW

13:26

How did...?

Zachiel

@BESW from the Italian word. Don't ask.

BESW

→ 3 messages moved to Not a bar, but plays one on TV

→ 2 messages moved to Not a bar, but plays one on TV

Joshua Aslan Smith

@besw good call on moving that over to the bar

BESW

Open with profanity and it's not even a call. That haystack is getting sent to the moon.

Zachiel

Don't ask, because I'm telling you anyway.

You know when you can't translate something and you're all like well, let's hope their word has the same etimology

Joshua Aslan Smith

13:31

ibility isnt a free to use suffix

but ize/ise

go to town its for making non-verb nouns into verbs

Zachiel

@JoshuaAslanSmith -ility I supposed to be

Joshua Aslan Smith

gotcha

Zachiel

also, I cannot partecipate in conversation now. Too much disconnecting.

Chryckan

13:49

Hi. Can find this anywhere in help but is it okay to post multiple-question posts? that is one post containing several short and simple questions or should each question get it's own post?

Phil

In general, one question one post unless they are very, very closely linked

(and welcome! :o)

Chryckan

Thanks for the answer. Now I guess I have to go spam the questions. =)

doppelgreener

you can ask multiple questions when it's all the one issue, basically. "I want to do X. Can I do it with Y? What happens? Is this a stupid idea and is it better than the usual option of Z?"

those are not separable

Phil

@doppelgreener much better way of putting it

doppelgreener

@Phil both good! i was just adding demonstration

Phil

13:51

@Chryckan listen to him, not me ¬¬

doppelgreener

@Chryckan But also make sure you don't do the XY question thing. If you have a specific problem and are asking a bunch of questions to tread around the edges of it, please do ask us straightforwardly about your specific problem.

Chryckan

Yeah, but most of my questions is fairly simple rules clarification that mostly can be answered with a yes or no. But few of them are connected.

doppelgreener

@Chryckan rules clarifications cover a large amount of our D&D stuff

how about you just ask one first and see how it fares?

like one of the obviously-independent ones

and one of the ones with multiple issues tied in

see how the community responds and see if they ask you to split them up so you can get a feel for it

Chryckan

Right. I'll do that.

Thanks for the help.

doppelgreener

no worries

Phil

13:57

@Chryckan also, try not to make assumptions about probable answer lengths. Most good answers will attempt to explain why a particular answer is yes or no

doppelgreener

@Phil indeed, a lot of the very simple rules questions turn out requiring a bit of reasoning

some get very nebulous

Like "Is the Dragonwrought Kobold a true dragon?"

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Q: Is a Dragonwrought Kobold a True Dragon?

The Monster Manual refers to some creatures with the Dragon type as “True Dragons,” and some later books refer to True Dragon status as a prerequisite for various options. Races of the Dragon offers the Dragonwrought feat, available to 1st-level Kobolds. The feat changes the Kobold’s type to Dra...

dnd-3.5e dragons rules-as-written

cue huge amounts of research and citations extending back through the history of D&D 3.5e exploring the zaniness and many layers of dragon-ness

BESW

in The Ink Spot, 2 mins ago, by JohnB

I don't do any tabletopping but this is awesome http://tabletopaudio.com/

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Yanno, I still don't have an adventure for next week.

Something pithy, with violence and technology and investigation.

Magician

14:13

For Cthulhu Dark?

BESW

Doctor Who one-shot.

Using FAE.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@besw when you doing the one-shot

and glad you liked the tegan aspect suggestion

BESW

Saturday evening.

My usual Geek Night time.

Joshua Aslan Smith

oof 15 hour time difference I FORGOT

@besw sounds like youd be starting 5am my time

BESW

Heh.

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:19

are you a day ahead or a day behind?

is it august 25th or 26th currently for you?

BESW

I'm in the World of Tomorrow!

I'm half an hour into the 26th.

Joshua Aslan Smith

lol

would definitely be on-time for church if I got up at 5am then

@BESW cue montage of 1940s futurist news reel clips

doppelgreener

@BESW time for me to sleep augh! goodnight.

BESW

ttfn

Joshua Aslan Smith

To Sleep, to dream

goodnight

BESW

14:57

Okay, thinking about Doctor Who one-shots.

Arrive someplace; something bad is happening; identify nature of bad thing; identify cause of bad thing; become subject to bad thing; resolve bad thing.

[wanders off to Spoiler Lair]

[mad cackling emerges from Lair]

Joshua Aslan Smith

@besw follows the trail of BESW to the spoil lair

BESW

@JoshuaAslanSmith [doesn't do it very well, though]

MadMAxJr

15:16

The Spoiler Lair.. Does that have the DM-mobile?

BESW

15:27

@MadMAxJr No, but it has a Stream of Consciousness running through it.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@BESW work happened

MadMAxJr

The dreaded lair of the Dungeon Master. A bizarre 15 floor dungeon that goes /upward/ in a bizarre STEEL and rock structure. Before you even get into the dungeon, you must pass the first test. Find parking.

Aaron

@JoshuaAslanSmith Pesky work getting in the way XD

MadMAxJr

In the first floor, you must pass the dreaded 'security desk'. A foul room of boredom where you may either attempt to fill out the form correctly for a guest pass from the dungeonkepper, or simply fight your way past.

The second floor is a sea of twisting flimsy separator walls known as 'cubicles' where you must deal with the numbermancers known as 'accountants'.

BESW

I roll [knowledge: architecture] to find the elevator, or barring that, the fire stairs.

wax eagle

15:41

Don't forget the El-e-vader an evil steel golem with a puzzle inside, press the right button to find the right floor.

BESW

Oh, good. I'm much better vs puzzles.

MadMAxJr

The third floor contains the mail room, where clever players may attempt to form a clever disguise to blend in, until Jan asks if you have her package, then you must make a knowledge: local check to see if you can remember which department she's from and if her package is on the cart.

Floor Four: Domain of the outsourced printing elemental

BESW

@waxeagle I'm not sure that's what an ele-vader looks like, though.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@MadMAxJr have you not seen cubicles and careers?

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MadMAxJr

I did, I thought those were great.

wax eagle

15:49

@BESW different, this one has a second dash :)

MadMAxJr

16:38

5e questions like wildfire.

wax eagle

@MadMAxJr yeah, we've had something like 50 in the past week

Phil

16:58

to be expected really

MadMAxJr

It's shiny and new.

Aaron

19:03

@MadMAxJr I can show you something shiny and old

The Oracle

19:25

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Q: Is theoretical charop on-topic or off-topic?

I just noticed that the tag wiki for optimization says While practical CharOp, solving specific build problems for a specific character in a specific game is encouraged here at RPG.SE, general theoretical optimization questions tend to be broad guessing games seeking things like "the best DPR...

discussion tags on-topic

MadMAxJr

19:41

Yeah, thanks to that one question, I'm going to spend the rest of the day pondering how MC Cleric works. Nothing starts a fight like the MC calling out the biggest enemy in the opposition to a rap battle.

wax eagle

@MadMAxJr obviously his main class is bard, then he Mcs cleric of knowledge. Half elf.

Master of skills, double prof in performance

MadMAxJr

Weapon Focus (Turntable)

wax eagle

definitely

(although weapon focus isn't a thing in 5e)

MadMAxJr

I don't think in 5E yet. Giving it some time to simmer before I get into it myself.

"The dragon has bested the party as you flee the lair, but his street cred is ruined, because your MC Cleric totally served him in the dance off."

Metool

Johnny!

Johnny

19:49

hi there

Joshua Aslan Smith

@johnny

your question might be better for chat here or on a forum

As I said in comment I feel like your core question is a general design question, not specific to RPG design

the situation you elucidate could just as easily refer to a screenplay, a business process workflow or a bit a software program

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