So this question.

It has two answers both siting rules that say different things.

It already has a marked answer but still.

isn't alignment a wonderful thing

@Phil NO

Alignment is primarily opinion based but it just seems so annoying to have spells have certain alignments. Intent should be what determines alignment not what spells you use

Aaaaa, why do I love the Koopa Bros. theme so?

I see your Paper mario music and raise you a Kid Chameleon Soundtrack youtube.com/watch?v=PpI89Uh7vzE&list=PLCA7F5DE0789E12BC

@metool ^

Oooh.

@JoshuaAslanSmith @Metool I raise you both! Hercules! grooveshark.com/s/Zero+To+Hero/50uqE7?src=5

The picture for the paladin in Legend doesn't look very paladiny

agreed

demon horns +n a very low amount of armor

looks more like a sorceror or warlock with a sword

Really cool pic but doesn't really fit what a lot of people picture when you hear paladin.

Yeah, well, it's quite intentional.

See flavour text.

Nope, raw paladin.

Lemme pull up the build details.

Ok. I am reading the paladin now perhaps I haven't reached that part yet.

Judgment/Smiting/Demon

Judgment being "I'm a paladin!" and Smiting being, well, smiting.

I don't see a Demon track

Are you using the core book?

I downloaded the PDF from the site.

I think it is the core

It should be in the racial tracks section, which follows the classes.

@Metool Ah. I am still reading the classes section.

Fun fact: D&D 4E made Paladins champions of a chosen god, rather than virtuous warriors.

I love their take on orcs

So, for instance, Paladin of Vecna.

Yeah, the fluff is pretty neat, I recall.

@Metool Pretty much they are actually really smart but the gods were keeping them dumb. Once they entered the hollow though they regained their intelligence.

Hallow, yeah. Fun stuff.

Harbinger, the iconic paladin, is also the highest-level iconic, if I recall correctly.

I think I just found my favorite class introduction ever.

What is life like for someone who works with runes, tiny bits of clockwork, and a paintbrush until four AM? How does it change when a rampaging barbarian rolls into their workshop, calms down, demands tea and painting lessons, and then whisks her off on a life of adventure?

Yep.

I'm just going to say straight up, I have less than 0 desire to ever ask about DnD again. I am sick and tired of nitpicking and edition wars.

I'm tempted to delete my question altogether except that it got a decent answer

I come here to get away from the whole "You're playing wrong, do it my way or it's not REAL DnD" attitude, and to get dragged into a huge debate about whether we're allowed to ask about something that's half-released when Meta clearly says we can is just exhausting.

By the way, important consideration.

(No doubt you've already seen it, but I stress it further.)

In other words, it's not the game's fault, it's the meta's fault.

That said, I, too, would be tired of this, so I'm not going to say more on the topic.

@Yamikuronue sadly 5e has become really contentious here thanks to a handful of citizens on both sides

@Metool Yeah, but that could be said about just about any negative aspect of DnD. I had an argument in meatspace just the other day about how 4e isn't "really" gamist, it just attracts too many WoW players. Nevermind that it was designed and marketed to appeal to WoW players...

Whether the rules intended it or not, the attitude is there. 5e can choose to address it or ignore it. I wanted to know which way it had chosen.

I wrote my answer kind of quick, and I think it probably comes off harsher than it should. There is a lot more nuance both in reality and my opinion than what I hammered out this morning before I took my kids to school. It's not supposed to be a "5e is back to the murderhobo playground" which I think is one way to read it. It should be "hey, what we have so far is that 5e doesn't get us past that in a meaningful way in contrast to say, 4e which has guidance XYZ with good quotes on 4e's guides"

I saw your answer before I left for work, I actually figured I'd probably end up accepting it. I did not anticipate so much activity >.>

@Yamikuronue heh, you asked a semi-subjective question about the current hottest tag plus a highly contentious topic :)

note our top question

indeed

I'm going to go build myself a meatloaf wrap. Put my kids to bed, wash the dishes, clear off the counter so I can make donuts when the wife gets home from her late shift, and come back and study the starter to see if I can make heads or tails of the system's intent re:muderhobodom

yeah... I kind of dashed it off without thinking after reading about murderhoboism on this site while my husband read out stuff from our new PHB to me that he found interesting.

...also, if the NSA is looking, it's totally a coincidence I'm researching concealed carry while talking about murder and hobos >.>

@Yamikuronue lol I'll add to the fun, there was a bomb threat 2 streets over from me today

Nice! I'm not near anything interesting enough to bomb probably, at work or at home. We just get malfunctioning fire alarms.

My office building used to be the company's main warehouse, but they renovated it into their HQ at some point

@Yamikuronue Our city is usually to small for that. But this was one of the tallest buildings in the city that was threatened.

We have a football team and a baseball team, so there's certainly places to bomb, but usually not in a block of warehouses vaguely near chinatown