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14:00
unfortunately :( :( :( there's still no UEFI GOP; the only UEFI GOP I was able to find was for an ASUS card, and I don't know if it's a reference design or not :S the VGABIOS ROM download from techreport.com has obviously binary data between offsets 0x10000 ~ 0x20000, which is the indicator of having a GOP, whereas if it's zeroes or FFs, it's not got a GOP
And now time to reboot and resize my ext4 partition (fingers crossed)
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A: Best PDF editor for Ubuntu

Mark A. DavisThe absolute best PDF software that I've found for Linux is PDF Studio 8 Pro. It truly is the equivalent of Adobe Acrobat Pro. It's rich with features, and I challenge anyone to find a better PDF Viewer/Editor for Linux. I have it on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop, and wouldn't use anything else! Ta...

this is setting off my spider spammer sense
@JourneymanGeek you're right
also, 16 flagged posts & 19 suggested edits, wtf?
lol
I cleared out about 20, @kalina has been doing tag edits
dude @kalina slow the fuck down
14:09
flags, well not my department ;p
don't wipe out the home page
@Sathya tag edits don't destroy the front page!
@Sathya: tags won't wipe out the front page
so chill out :P
@JourneymanGeek retags do
14:10
these arn't retags
least the ones I approved
@Sathya I haven't submitted enough retags fast enough to flood the front page
editors are like windshield wipers; they're helpful when it rains, but annoying as hell when it isn't raining
she just edited all the tags to say not to use them
she -.-
14:11
@kalina: sorry about that
XD
happens
nice rep on arqade ;p
it's hardly Raven's rep :P
I get my first yearling badge soon though
XD
I think I have three here
i've been playing dungeon defenders and stardrive lately
i love getting power leveled as a lowbie in a nightmare game in dungeon defenders :D
14:12
currently playing plants vs zombies on my tablet ;p
i have one "Popular Question" silver badge on arqade, that's about it
@JourneymanGeek I haven't been around on SE in general for a year yet, and Arqade was the first site I signed up to :p
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Q: How do I invite people to a chat room in Thunderbird?

skylerFollowing instructions from this SuperUser post: Chat room in Thunderbird with Google Chat I created a chat room in Thunderbird using my Google Talk account. How can I invite people to this chat room? I've looked all around for an invite option but haven't found anything.

thunderbird as a chat client?
@Sathya you may as well go back to the old Mozilla Suite ;p
hah
14:14
remember the good old days when your mail client, IRC client, calendar and browser were in-process?
four fairly unrelated programs btw
i think there was an even an extension that did music playing in process
because having everything in the same VAS is great; nobody ever writes code that writes past the bounds of an array and crashes the process. ever.
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I remeber when nethack used to interupt me with 'you have new mail'
@allquixotic Lotus Notes: Living in the past!
The mailer deamon char was &
@Tanner Lotus Notes: because nobody will ever need more than 2GB of VAS, so why not have the entire userspace in one process
14:18
now we have Chrome with many subprocesses just for web browsing, whereas in the late 90s / early 2000s it was in vogue to have a lot of different things in the same process; c.f. Windows Explorer, KDE Parts, etc etc
I mean...
if you have tons of stuff in-process, IPC between components is extremely cheap and doesn't involve a context switch and the scheduler doesn't have to balance more processes... BUT...
first of all, IPC is pretty decent these days, and second, the security issues of stuff being in-process are just mind boggling, and third, you can easily run out of VAS if you're running 32-bit processes
I really wish more of Windows userspace started being 64-bit, but the compatibility provides virtually no incentive to go 64-bit, especially with third party programs
then there are annoying things like the XNA Framework being 32-bit only
@Sathya They've added that a while back
@OliverSalzburg I haven't looked at Thunderbird.. since eternity
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Q: Out-of-process memory heap to work around 32-bit address space

allquixoticProblem: A large-scale simulation game has a ridiculous number of distinct objects which have to be tracked, updated, and used for both visual rendering and for logical model updating. With only 4 GB of address space, you can only fit so many things into memory. If you resort to disk, things star...

;x
was thinking of something like char *arr = externalmalloc(2^33); //I allocated more than 32 bits of memory and didn't go OOM! where externalmalloc() actually goes out to a child 64-bit process, allocates the memory block, and transparently stores a mere handle to the IPC mechanism in the local pointer
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic The third point annoys me.
Otherwise, I like Firefox.
@allquixotic Easy enough to do now :P
I bet C++ could do something like that, as long as you don't expect to dereference the pointer to get to the memory block; if you use array accessors, you can overload operator[] for the pointer
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic btw, I think you might be misusing a phrase :P
Begging the question (Latin petitio principii, "assuming the initial point") is a type of informal fallacy in which an implicit premise would directly entail the conclusion. Begging the question is one of the classic informal fallacies in Aristotle's Prior Analytics. Some modern authors consider begging the question to be a species of circulus in probando (Latin, "circle in proving") or circular reasoning. Were it not begging the question, the missing premise would render the argument viciously circular, and while never persuasive, arguments of the form "A therefore A" are logically valid ...
@allquixotic Programs that need to do that are rare enough that I doubt there's a general IPC mechanism optimised for it...
@Bob I don't think those programs are "rare" at all
almost every game that doubles as a simulation (Skyrim, Stardrive, SimCity, etc etc) could benefit from it, because simulations, by their nature, use a sprawling amount of either memory or disk space; if they use disk space, FPS becomes untenable; if they use memory, they run out of 32-bit VAS
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic And most could probably just have a native 64-bit binary
amusingly, minecraft does
FPS devs have wanted 64 bit space for years (or so they claim in interviews)
14:33
if they ship a 64-bit binary, which nobody ever does, it would be great; but the main thing keeping them from shipping 64-bit binaries is that they depend on third-party middleware (for lip syncing, skeletal musculature simulation, advanced shaders, realistic foliage, or the engine itself e.g. XNA), which is 32-bit only
Maps are nmapped and often trimmed down to only 2 GB (and 'loading next level') before releases
so basically they'd have to invent/write their own methods for all those things where they have 32-bit only binaries, and some of those things are patented so that they couldn't get the same result on their own
@Sathya Well, they did add it an eternity ago ;D
there's simply no argument for not using 64-bit binaries anymore, yet 99% of game middleware is 32-bit only
Meanwhile in another universe:
http://www.nu.nl/internet/3404432/creditcardgegevens-nederlandse-klanten-thomas-cook-gestolen.html
Summary: Credit card stuff is stolen. (so we KNOW it was not secured properly)
Press officer: We are convinced that is was and still is safe.
14:35
Firefox 20.0 is 'a security and stability update'? I mean, their versioning scheme is ridiculous, but come on.
I can guess 'we ASSUMED it was safe', but ....
Bob
Bob
I vaguely recall a couple of games with a 64-bit binary
@Bob Hellgate: London was one, but it flopped
Bob
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@DanielBeck 20.0.1
it was basically the poster child for 64-bit gaming IIRC
14:36
Ffox 20 is twice as good as IE 10. ;-)
Bob
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@allquixotic No, I'm pretty sure it was some AAA
@Hennes IE10 is actually decent..
IE9 crashes
Sadly I am joking, but I am not sure how many consumer do just go for the highest number
Bob
Bob
IE10 is still a little laggy, but no crashes yet
I never used IE.
14:37
I can't think of any AAA in recent years that ships a 64-bit binary; unless it's completely platform-independent / open source and can therefore be compiled to 64-bit
minecraft, for example, its only 32-bit native components are open source dependencies that can be recompiled for 64-bit
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic yea, I can't really remember
IE has the disadvantage of being different from my normal browser.
and it did not use to be stable in the past (IE 3 times) nor did it work on most computers (I ran a lot of non windows stuff).
That does not mean it did not improve, or that it is not good after all these years, but neither do I see a reason to switch to another browser
IE 10 is about as fast as Firefox, meaning, still a long way behind Chrome
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic Crysis apparently had a 64-bit version
of course, every web browser will have certain microbenchmarks that make it look hugely faster than competitors
Bob
Bob
14:39
@allquixotic Funny enough, I get the opposite ;)
but in general use cases I didn't find IE 10 to be any faster than Firefox, and way slower than Chrome
@Bob aren't you the guy with 2^128 tabs open at a time though?
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic 1027 right now
you have enough tabs open that finding the right one is cryptographically hard
Bob
Bob
...with 1027 tabs open, Firefox is still faster than vanilla Chrome
@OliverSalzburg :P :D
Bob
Bob
14:41
:S
Chrome just hates my computers. I guess.
"my public key is: " + foreach(tab : tabs) tmp = tmp + tab.name
@Bob could also be that your graphics driver / hardware makes Chrome go into software mode, or it goes into hardware mode but would be faster in software mode
really depends on the hardware and whether software rendering or hw rendering is faster, and whether chrome detects the faster of the two correctly
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic That's a pretty funny mix then.
I mean, I have one machine on Nvidia (GTX560)
And one on Intel HD/ATI Radeon HD.
That covers just abotu all the major ones.
If Chrome can't optimise for that, well...
at work, I have a Nvidia NVS 300, which is a very low end card based on the last generation of Nvidia GPU prior to Fermi, with drivers from 2010, and Chrome with all GPU hardware acceleration features enabled is fantastically faster than any other browser I have access to
speaking of, I also realized that WPF is fantastically faster than GDI, even though WPF uses Direct3D, which you would think would be heavy weight and slow
Bob
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no idea how a driver from 2010 on an old GPU is so blazingly fast when using the 3d pipeline for 2d ops
Bob
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14:44
All flags are on default
@allquixotic I still haven't bothered to learn WPF development
@Bob WPF is pretty difficult :/
Bob
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@allquixotic Not just the difficulty - I actually prefer the default WinForms look.
Why go to the extra work of getting WPF to look like it?
I just hate that Microsoft tries to force XAML down your throat, even though you can write perfectly good WPF using pure C#
Bob
Bob
Ah. XAML.
I like the functionality and performance and look of WPF, but coding it up using the visual designer gives you XAML, and it's sucky
Bob
Bob
14:46
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)
that about sums up my first experience with XAML
the visual designer should have "generate C# plz" checkbox
I can't figure out how to get a WPF DataGrid to automatically provide the "new row" row like the DataGridView in WinForms
it just provides 0 rows by default and I think I have to add a "New Row" button that the user can click and programmatically insert a row, which sucks
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Q: Why aren't spam and offensive answers simply deleted from the database?

KaranGiven the recent spate of spam by a, let us say "disgruntled" user, why is it that the account is deleted but the deleted questions/answers still remain visible on the site (to those with the necessary rep of course)? While Qs/As deleted for other reasons can be retained I guess, is there a good...

Bob
Bob
@allquixotic keep a blank element in whatever it's bound to?
though that's kinda stupid
@allquixotic GDI is 100% software, Direct3D is only an API to hardware features
Bob
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15:09
> Direct2D and GDI are both immediate mode 2D rendering APIs and both offer some degree of hardware acceleration.
@OliverSalzburg no, GDI is not 100% software, at least not as of Windows 7
GDI uses the GPU to operate on data stored in system memory and copied to video memory when dirty
Direct2D / Direct3D / etc. use the GPU to operate on data stored in video memory exclusively, which is more efficient, but the fact remains that GDI's operations are accelerated by the GPU
Yeah but that only refers to composition as far as I'm aware
It's not like if I would draw a line into a bitmap that that would somehow run through D3D
Bob
Bob
> More importantly, GDI's rendering does not map easily to 3D operations, and a modern GPU renders most efficiently on the 3D portion of its rendering engine. For example, Direct2D's aliased lines are designed to be implemented simply as two triangles rendered on the GPU, whereas GDI uses Bresenham's line drawing algorithm.
> For example, text rendering, BitBlts, AlphaBlend, TransparentBlt, and StretchBlt are all accelerated in these cases.
@allquixotic Exactly
But GDI is a lot more than blitting :P
15:12
modern GPU drivers for several years don't even use the GPU's 2D ring; they use the 3D ring exclusively even for 2D operations because it is faster, they will probably phase out 2D rings entirely in the next gen hardware
basically almost anything is done as a 3D hardware-accelerated operation of some sort, unless you do application-side manual software rendering like drawing pixels on a canvas
Bob
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@allquixotic whoops
wtf
in Mathematics, 1 min ago, by MJD
shobon: I enjoyed your answer to the recent question about a square whose digits add to 2011.
why the heck did that get flagged?
a lot of things get flagged in the Mathematics chat that aren't remotely offensive
@Bob because: Mathematics
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in The Bridge, 57 secs ago, by kalina
I think if somebody has 5 flags invalidated it should ban them
15:15
lol
actually that makes sense
yes it does
it means Mathematics would be constantly banned, but c'est la vie
beats going into a room and very politely chewing people out
I don't do that very often, in fact you were there the first time I ever entered another channel because of a flag, @JourneymanGeek
(yesterday)
yeah
well, one of the language channels
15:17
yeah, I hang out there occationally
cause the AU guys invaded it, and ELU is sometimes amusing
I generally avoid telling other channels how to apply their own rules, the Bridge is very relaxed in terms of how we apply the rules
well, as a 10K+ user, I do have to deal with this tho ;p
(and flags, more often than not are invalid in this context)
I've never seen a valid flag come out of the mathematics channel
lol
I can say the same of the bridge
(or anywhere else)
a lot of our flags are stupid flags, we do have some valid one though!
15:23
the one time I was tempted to slag someone, it was someone obviously delusional, convinced that the mods hated him and there was some secret cabal downvoting him ;p
Speaking about math and flags:
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| P = True  |
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| P -> Q
Q
@Hennes modus ponens!
I think I did that wrong. THe Q needs to be inside the flag
15:24
Been ages since I used flags like that
+--------------+
| P = True     |
| P -> Q       |
| Q            |
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like that?
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@JourneymanGeek which one was that?
we've had a couple...
@Bob: Pat?
also got banned from SF for the same crap
heya @BenRichards
(almost typed in sidran32 ;p)
@JourneymanGeek god we have so many repwhores on gaming
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ohhhhhhhhh
15:28
you downvote any of them and they come in chat with their "ZOMG pls stop downvoting me!"
Bob
Bob
so that's where I've seen that Gravatar before...
@kalina: this guy was basically posting links to his program, and when we tried to tell him how to avoid getting bannzored, he blew up at people.
@JourneymanGeek those are my favourite kind of people
he didn't have enough rep to repwhore
besides, I don't mind downvotes, as long as someone comments to why, and they are right
commenting why is not a requirement of downvoting
15:30
nope
I will admit it's not friendly to new users to be on the receiving end
but that means I learnt where I went wrong
Bob
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I found you, @JourneymanGeek
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and learn something new
but there is a difference between politely asking and demanding
15:30
@Bob: naw, ears are too small ;p
we have quite a few people who demand
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@JourneymanGeek Your younger brother?
:P
@Bob: experiment X21789 I guess ;p
I mean, how would the average dog manage to use a computer, without the power of mad science?
assuming wolfram alpha's filters are correct, one would assume that dogs wouldn't be able to use a computer on account of not being able to distinguish the different on screen visual elements
15:36
Hi and holy toledo, tons of messages!
http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/04/the-rise-and-fall-of-amd-how-an-underdog-stuck-it-to-intel/
http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/04/amd-on-ropes-from-the-top-of-the-mountain-to-the-deepest-valleys/
Great 2-parter there on the rise and fall of AMD.
@BenRichards as long as they continue to do bulk CMOS fab of small, price-competitive GPUs, I don't see AMD itself tanking, but they're going to become a purely GPU business pretty soon I'm afraid
also the huge wins with selling their GPUs to console manufacturers
the article should be more aptly titled "the rise and fall of AMD's CPU business"
Great articles nonetheless :P
Time to install Arch Linux :O !
@BenRichards The story of how AMD was created is inspiring
@Bob So cute! Cannot look away!
whew, nearly wiped my windows drive with windows still running @_@
15:50
Yay, first time I ever used regular expressions with grep.
Answering questions on SU is useful and a learning experience. :)
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A: Regular expression to find senders IP using grep or other languages

HennesI am pretty sure it can done better than this, but if I copy your example to a testfile and remove the markup (the extra 4 spaces at the start), then this works: >cat testfile | grep -E "[1-9]{1,3}\.[0-9}{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[1-9]{1,3}" | cut -d. -f1-4 Output of just the grep filters down to: 1...

Regular expressions are fun. :P
Also, relevent:
When you read the mails you will find that the email originated in the 192.168.0.0/24 range.
Also relevent:
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(That's from a recent episode of NCIS)
What is NCIS?
@Hennes navy criminal investigative service
@BenRichards I saw this episode, made me laugh
15:55
Ah, new series?
@Hennes 10 seasons in...
Ok, so relative new. :)
I've been watching NCIS for a long time, now. It's my favorite crime drama on TV. :)
NCIS is booring ;p
Way better than CSI.
15:56
way better than CSI
I do not often watch television. Too much advertising, no way to pause a broadcast when you have to go to the batchroom or answer the door
I prefer Supernatural :D
and better than its spinoff as well
Bsically so last century. ;-)
not really sure NCIS LA is that great
still probably better than CSI though
15:57
I love the technology bits too, because they keep relatively up to date with new tech, and their usage of it is relatively realistic, but very obviously played up to make it flashy for TV. And buzzwords. Like "I realized it was a stream because it uses the flash codec". It's facepalm worthy sometimes, but in a good way. :P
@BenRichards oh god
all the NCIS shows are currently going through that "hey guys, Microsoft supplied us with a load of MS Surfaces, look at this kick stand" phase
Or beating a hacker by mashing on a keyboard. :P
hmm there was a crime series that was real good, it was way better than NCIS/CSI, can;t remember it's name tho
@kalina Yeah they are. I find that amusing :P
@HackToHell Well there's also Monk. ;P
15:58
@BenRichards they overdramatise that kick stand so much
@BenRichards Never heard of it :D
@kalina It is amusing. But I can ignore it. :P
And i recently started watching Game of Thrones, sooo awesome !!
@HackToHell Dude! Former cop now consulting detective for the police in Chicago, totally has a ton of phobias and OCD. It's pretty awesome. Like Sherlock Holmes, but way funnier. :P
It's on TBS.
Anyone watch Archer? I love the episode with what amounts to a Dodge commercial xD
15:59
@BenRichards I think my dad watches that one (and no I have no idea what channel tbs is )
@HackToHell Oh, USA, I mean :P
I ran into movie fans. on this channel.
Otoh, maybe I can use this.
Just who the heck is this Jean Luke Skywalker?
Was he in babylon 7 or Blake's 5 ?
And i have to watch Star Warz stuff
There's also Castle (which is doubly awesome if you're a fan of Firefly/Serenity): beta.abc.go.com/shows/castle
Beam me up Buck. Beediebeeidebeedie
16:02
@BenRichards Castle ♥♥♥
Reminds me of good old star world
I used to watch castle, dexter, two and a half men and friends once
NCIS is the only one that is on my DVR, though. :P (And not that crappy NCIS:LA. I haven't bothered with that one.)
meh I run out of TV shows to watch
as a result I have ~1.5tb of TV shows at the moment
Feel bad .....
16:03
I mainly watch NCIS, comedy as I run into it (primarily Daily Show and Colbert, but also other stuff), and anime on Crunchyroll.
@kalina :O
granted about 200gb of that is every stargate episode and spinoff ever
/me wonders how people find time to watch serials
easy enough, I watch them back to back and suffer varying amounts of ADD so I skip between scenes picking out plot points
Oh I finally got SDL to build in Cygwin (had to use g++-3 apparently b/c -mno-cygwin was deprecated in gcc4). But now I'm on my way to build Tetris again. :)
16:06
hour episode takes ~30 minutes to watch
And Arch does not show the progress of the download ~_~
Right now, I used the tutorials to make a black window pop up that I can close. :P
@kalina I do that while studying at Coursera ;p
The prof there speaks too slowly :D
16:12
I wonder if this is off-topic for SU:
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Q: How can I display an Android Screen on a computer monitor

Anton8000I am using a mouse and keyboard with my Android phone, a Samsung Galaxy S3, but I want to use a monitor with it. Is there any way or any programs which allow me to display what is on the android screen on a monitor, or a laptop screen? If you have any questions, please feel free to leave a comme...

I miss Ami WM on that list
@BenRichards weren't you sidran32 ?
@HackToHell Yes.
ok ok
tempted to encrypt my entire arch linux install
16:30
it's based on PhysX tho
Lunchtime!
16:50
@BenRichards > In 2009, AMD sold its Imageon mobile graphics unit to Qualcomm for a mere $65 million; Qualcomm soon managed to turned this tech into the Adreno GPUs included in its immensely popular Snapdragon processors.
ridiculous - Snapdragon is worth billions
not the least of which is because of its small, efficient GPU
17:01
Arch linux needs more mirrors :/
Are you offering them one ? With plenty of bandwidth. ;-)
no ;p I am downloading at 10 kbps -_-
At that speed it might be better to use a torrent.
Assuming they do official torrents.
I'm downloading individual packages using pacman
Something is wrong with NAT in VirtualBox
@allquixotic Oh I know. I always said that in hindsight that was a very bad move, but they almost had no choice because AMD was bleeding cash and had to get something from somewhere in order to prevent going under.
Those guys used to work across the hall from me at the old ATI office. :P
@HackToHell I use a bridged adapter in VirtualBox for my CentOS VM to let me get it to work as a server that I can ssh into from the web (after connecting to my home network via VPN).
Works great. Still need to figure out how to have split tunneling with outgoing VPN connections from that VM though.
 
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@BenRichards I ended up using WinForms after all; data binding in WPF is an unmitigated disaster
Just want to call out what I think is a good first time answer to not that great of a question
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Q: Force IE to use one process per tab

KolinkI've noticed that IE occasionally groups several tabs into one process. Unfortunately, this ends up being self-destructive as eventually all the 10-12 tabs I usually have open end up on just one or two processes, which rather defeats the purpose of a multi-process browser. My current "solution" ...

The answer includes lots of research and detail and I ended up learning something
My answer would have just been use Chrome :)
always good to be helpful
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A: UTP Cat-6 low speeds

allquixoticUTP = Unshielded Twisted Pair, right? It is possible that you are getting alien crosstalk, i.e. interference from EM spectrum emitted by other devices externally to the cable. In my experience, video cables (VGA, DVI, HDMI) like to do this if you lay them on top of an unshielded ethernet cable. ...

@BradPatton that's an informative answer for a first time poster...
that user has existed for 2 months though so he has been lurking for a while, maybe learning our rules
seems like it
 
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20:11
@allquixotic Aha.
@BenRichards actually things are looking a lot better now that I'm using a typed DataSet
before i was just using the raw view values of the DataGridView
i still want the row being edited to resize accordingly (as well as its child edit control) when entering enough characters to make it wrap
@allquixotic Ah. I've not used WPF before really (to any extent) so I'm not familiar with it so much. But I did play with Visual C++'s windowing capabilities. I don't think that's the same thing though :P
Not sure what VC++ uses
@BenRichards Visual C++? has nothing to do with .NET, that's for sure, unless you're using that weird C++.NET (which is deprecated)
the builtin VC++ toolkits are: ATL, MFC, and native Win32
in approximately decreasing order of amount of beard required to be able to use it
@allquixotic VC++.NET is deprecated? I seem to remember it just being new :o
20:24
Ah, no kidding. It is. Probably used Win32.
My code is elsewhere so I can't look :P
Speaking of, when I get to it, I should start pushing my code projects onto github.
@BenRichards VC++.NET came around 2001-2002, claimed to support the best features of .NET and native programming (as well as allowing direct, mixed-mode programming in-process, so like, System.Windows.Forms and native pointers) but it was so complicated that nobody used it
also very easy to shoot yourself in the foot... for example by mangling the managed runtime's data structures
I rarely do GUI stuff in native languages these days. Though it's fun, but most of my stuff that I do for work or anything else lives in CLI land.
Ah.
the safe way to mix managed and native code is to use well-tested bindings that use something like P/Invoke to do safe marshalling to native and back (of course, you can still crash if you hit a bug in the native code in-process, but good native code won't do that)
works well enough for Gtk# for instance... GTK+ 2.x for Mono/.NET
20:52
Drat http://superuser.com/review/suggested-edits/106101
1:1 rip from wikipedia
@BenRichards ducky? <3
having one hell of a time figuring out how to make a cell in a DataGridView automatically expand (height-wise) when the underlying TextBox editing control expands its height by wrapping
it works if you click off the row then go back, but not while typing
@devid Do not plagiarize content please. Even for tag wikis. Use Wikipedia if you must, but keep it minimal and quote it properly. Tag wikis should rather give pointers about how the tag is to be used on this site.

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