@JourneymanGeek think i solved it.. the problem was the partition was too small. I realised when I started a win7 pe usb stick and saw a red line under the "c" drive.. (my fat32 dos partition). said like 30MB free. So clearly the windows installation was fillling it up and had run out of space. It probably needed a few GB

I made it about 8GB in size, and the installation seems to be running fine.

the partition i'm installing windows from.

one of my drives from 2008 is emitting an ominous pulse at ca. 0.8 hertz

o0

"from 2008"

I got older drives ;p

those are seagate es.2, 5 year guarantee. the last two are finally failing now

I sent one of them to a seagate representative in sweden, because no one would do the RMA in norway. never hard back from them :\

ahh

that sucks

hi...I wonder if any of you know which is the tiniest linux distro (that can be run in a virtual machine) that has the capability to do NATting

hmm

well to do nat, you basically just need iptables, don't you?

ya I need iptables...I want to do NATting between my laptop and desktop PCs

tiny core linux has that

though, I have a feeling there might be a simpler way to do what you want

I want complete control on my NATting..my host machine is Windows. I don't think that Windows has as much features of NATting as a linux

I will try with TCL?

Is TCL commands similar to Red Hat or is it similar to Debian?

well iptables is pretty standard

unless you're using a front end, things should be fine

I still think, for some reason, that your planned solution might be overcomplicated

why not use ICS?

and how are you connecting the laptops to the VM?

(I suppose the real question I should be asking is ... What actually, are you trying to do?)

The reason with ICS is Windows handles all of it and I cannot modify the functionality..I once tried changing the dhcp range associated with ICS by changing registry settiings and it messed up with a lot of things

My laptop has wifi...My desktop doesn't. Laptop and desktop connected by ethernet. And my wifi router doesn't have ethernet out(only has WAN port in and wifi out). So can't give internet access to desktop directly...Want to give internet access to desktop. Because desktop is very powerful (i7 3770k processor-16GB RAM) Want to run server off it (for testing purpose - not for real life deployment)

ahhh, k

desktop runs windows?

yes

getting a wireless adaptor for the desktop is the sensible option here

if I understand correctly you're trying to go (router) ----> laptop ----> desktop...

I know

But before I do that

A temporary solution

@JourneymanGeek right

you could just bridge the wifi on the laptop to the ethernet port on the desktop I think

not nat, desktop gets its own IP address on the router

Nope. Windows doesn't allowing bridging connections that have ICS enabled

no need ICS

just bridge directly

I'm trying to find the SU question which is relevant here. We discussed this on chat ages ago

oh ya...I used to do that. But right now, I am getting error messages in Windows when I try to bridge connections

hm

maybe I tweaked too many registry settings

yeah, never touch registry settings unless you know what you're doing

But that's the thing with Windows. I cannot undo it easily

So that is why, to make things simple I want to use linux

brb in 20 minutes

wat?

Because with Linux you can undo the things you've messed up?

somethingawful.com/hosted/jeffk/tomorrowind

Tommorrowwind is a game of powerful enterprases that requires a HI END computar from DELL. My mom wanted to get a COMPACT computer and I told her that there computars are crud on a cracker!

lol

@OliverSalzburg: if its a VM, in theory...

but messing with registry is a BAD idea

@JourneymanGeek There's also not really a reason to do it

as I like to say. If you think you need to mess with the registry, you don't know enough to. If you know enough, you know exactly why its a bad idea ;p

DrSoftware's 99 Registry Hacks that will CHANGE YOUR LIFE!!!

lol

a member of the coreutils mailing list turned down my awesome feature request :'(

@ЯрославРахматуллин Well, what about his response?

For my employer to ask for my Facebook password? Yeah right...

Is fmt/sed not applicable to achieve that?

he said a similar request was declined, but they "might" reconsider.

@ЯрославРахматуллин Yeah, they might if the proposed solution to the problem doesn't work

But he did propose a solution.

not really.. because a line has to be re-folded once you sed it.

i have to try this fmt

@ЯрославРахматуллин What is THAT?!

@Boris_yo What's your Facebook password?

not in portage.. phawk it

@OliverSalzburg ilikedx.com

Are you my new employah?

@Boris_yo I still need to create a facebook account for work related things, just in case they ask.

@Boris_yo We'll see after I've interviewed all your Facebook friends!

Though I suspect my first reaction will be to ask their facebook password.

@Hennes Nice idea. Facebook account for employers.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fmt scratching head

@Hennes I always thought "What's your Facebook password" is a trick question to see if you're retarded. :\

No, there are two good reasons

1) If you are in securiry: you need to ask is they are fucking batshit insane. Any other reaction will not do

However you can log in on their computer, after asking everyone you friended if they are OK that a (to them) total stranger will look at what they might have posted

@Boris_yo :D

Employer: "Okay, you are perfect match for my porn company!" Accepted!

"My password is gethigheveryday420"

@OliverSalzburg You probably have marijuana ecommerce store in your account? Make sure not to give away password if you are to work in police department.

I just b0rked my Wii for a few minutes, until I drank my coffee

Start Wii, select Wii sports. Get coffee, put hot coffee down between two waxine lights. (my sensor bar cable is broken, so I use waxine based tea lights until I repaired the cable) -> Instant controller failure.

@Hennes What is borked?

Broken, swedish cheff style

Grah. I type worse than the poeple in Blake's 5 or in Babylon 7.

@Hennes Waxine lights wat? Please explain that :D

These things are waxine lights

Well, I figured that part out on my own ;D I wanted to know how they can replace the signal bar of the Wii

And the Wii sensor bar work on infrared (heat) sources. Two of them, about 30 centimeters apart. If the sensor bar (a straight bar with two IR LEDs) fails you can replace it with two alternative heat sources.

Oh, I see

I never made the mental connection between heat and infrared

I did not realise a hot mug of coffee also works.

Oh, 'heat radiation' is the same as 'infrared radiation'

Wow

I just realised that this is the 1500^th day that I have the Wii, and that I still only own a single game (and a lot free stuff from the homebrewn channel)

o0

must be one hell of a game

Meh

I used it as weighing scales.

Never really got into console gaming. It lacked a mouse, a keyboard and sufficient screen realestate

o0

weighing scale?

Wii Fit I guess?

ahh ;p

shows how little I know ;)

but I'm totally a PC guy.

People keep trying to convince me that consoles are great for gaming. I never seem to get why they are great.

Games are way more expensive on a console. You have to keep old consoles around (old games on a new PC work just fine). Resolution is much lower. No proper input devices. Meh.

@Hennes Well, they are great for games that are designed for consoles :P

they are 'simple' I guess ;p

I have an Xbox360 controller for my PC for those games :P

I prefer a 'german style' game. (aka, strategy/tactics, lots of finely tuned parameters)

It also can be nice to game from the couch rather than from a chair

lol

I have the logitech clone of it

but never really used it.

Well, I have a laptop connected to the beamer and the stereo. PC gaming from the couch using a BT mouse and a BT keyboard

But at 800x600 The beamer's max resolution)

@Hennes That's not couch gaming :P

Oh, board games?

"Couch gaming" is not about the thing you sit on, it's about posture

lol

got one of those

Well, straight. Else my back will kill me after a few hours

really needs to work out how to/where to mount his projector

One tip: Hight up

I keep walking into the beam if I have guest and I play a movie.

Or getting a chair in front of it

yeah, this is in my room tho

high up, hooking it into a spare system.... like my raspberry pi....

which I never actually thought of

I... am an idiot.

I just installed a 32-bit version of Kubuntu on my desktop for development.

The one on my laptop is 64-bit.

knowing you have a problem is the first step to fixing it

ahh

need an identical environment?

And of course binary incompatibility. doh

@JourneymanGeek Hm.. how well would that work? o.O

Attach one of those $10 TV tuner/IR receivers to it?

Then you can watch TV too! :D

@Bob: well enough for what I have in mind

or ssh, or remote access

I thought 32 bits OS's died wit XP. ;-)

@Hennes hey, less overhead for a VM

(and it's the recommended download for some reason)

Why less overhead?

Assuming your host is in 64 bit mode and that the guest uses the host CPU (and not a qemeu emulated CPU) that means extra overhead to use different 32 bit registers.

So I assume more overhead.

@Hennes Memory overhead.

Ok, pointers are double size, so more memory used. But also more registers available on AMD64 mode, so speed stays roughly the same and only cheap memory usage goes up.

Memory usage does matter when you have many VMs.

I allocate a max of 2 GB to most of mine.

Often, 1 GB. Sometimes 512 MB.

I have a few with less.

I do not often run more than 2 or 3 VMs, so I usually give them a lot of memory (say 8GiB each)

Some get dangerously close to full (used) RAM.

@Hennes Heh, I only have 8 GB on the host :P

I did render my hiost (win7 and vmware ws) unusable when I ran too many of them at the same times (4)

But if the VM has 8 GB, of course you'd go with a 64-bit OS where possible..

I was doing a tar-natcat copy between two, which caused them both to use the full 8GiB as disk cache

IIRC VMs (at least with VirtualBox) actually allocate that whole block of memory in RAM at once.

The host OS can't even swap it.

I ran into some issues when my host memory was about full. Everything else started swapping.

I was building FreeBSD packages. Lots of compiling. I wanted a VM with enough RAM to handle that.

Aye.

Overcommiting memory can turn out to be bad.

@Hennes Committing usually works out well enough, since it's still swappable. But VM RAM for some reason is not.

ARRGGH

Secure Download Manager. Worse than most malware I've encountered.

Partially because somehow they've managed to make themselves required for DreamSpark.

Why the F*** did it set itself as the default handler for text files for Firefox?!?!

superuser.com/questions/478210/… reopen?

Not sure.

Not constructive is somewhat true.

This is a post where I would look at 1) reopen 2) leave closed 3) skip!

I don't get why someone would take the risk

it still works. Back it up. KEEP backing it up

if it dies, well, you have a backup

If it works and makes you nervous: get a new disk.

lol

I've had a disk that's mad me nervious for the past 2 years

I keep it backed up

*made

Hey guys, I'd like to know if is possible to update a Windows 8 to the next build 8.1? Or it works like a normal update?

they haven't been that clear on what its going to be yet

So it's available yet?

nope

there's always leaks, but its not officially out in any way

Humm ok, thanks for solving my doubt @JourneymanGeek

I'm kinda hoping its a 'sp' equivilent

but with a load of features, it happened with XP, but nothing this major

@srikanthchandrasekaran: its a really old version, maybe it dosen't support it

@JourneymanGeek I know. In 2004, installing from usb drives was still a new concept. But I still want to do it

@srikanthchandrasekaran: well, if you want to spend the time doing it, sure

@JourneymanGeek I definitely want to do it. There should be a solution out there somewhere

@srikanthchandrasekaran: hm, start the install elsewhere and move over the disk?

could you please elaborate?

well, put the disk in another computer with a DVD drive and do the install

then move the disk

or maybe a gentoo style chroot install, but if its one of those overly complex things

I don't have any PCs with dvd drive. :(

@JourneymanGeek I am all for it, if it is a solution. can you please point me in the right direction

pfft. USB DVD drives are the new USB floppy drives

hm. VM with the disk you want to install to mounted raw?

there's quite a lot of other potential issues with what you're attempting

@JourneymanGeek good idea

also, why this old unsupported version?

@JourneymanGeek just so that I truly "learn" linux

i know RHEL6.2

but it is too easy

eh

If you wanted hard, try gentoo or arch

you will really learn things

since i am already familiar with the rpm style, it will be hard in the easy way if I use a red hat based distro

lol

nothing will work

since you may not have supported packages

so the RPM style is moot here

yep, that is my idea...I was referring to the commands and the structure...installing pacakges for unsupported devices or features, I can take care

sudo apt-get install rhel :D :P

but for that, I have to first install it

@AnujKaithwas lol

what he's saying is that the distro's so old that your hardware probably isn't supported

@srikanthchandrasekaran, did u do the RHCA Certification?

from wikipedia...

"Red Hat 9 (Shrike), March 31, 2003 (Linux 2.4.20-8)"

@tapped-out after installation, I can take care of that...But I need a solution to install it first

even supported packages won't work

@AnujKaithwas I have knowledge equivalent to a RHCE...But who needs certification?

if the package repo is down

it probably won't even install because its so old

so there's no "solution" to install it

I refuse to agree. There is one solutuon @JourneymanGeek suggested. i.e installing it in a VM in another machine with this hard disk mounted

@srikanthchandrasekaran, just asking, because o the linux users whom I have met, only those people who are RHCA certified like to use rhel, the rest use ubuntu, or debian

but I am looking for a easier solution if possible

the only reason the VM could work is because it can emulate older hardware

@AnujKaithwas I am a red hat guy. I like red hat better

ok

i suppose if you dug up a 2003-vintage laptop then you might get it to work

but as @JourneymanGeek suggests the package repos could be (probably are) down

so you couldn't install much of anything

@tapped-out you are awesome...I just now remember I have such a candidate in my house waiting for attention. It was built in 2002. lol

maybe I can try

that might solve the HW issue

but not the fact that its a seriously obsolete release

But I would still be happier if I can install it in my core i7 3770k desktop

hardware's too new, you probably couldn't update the kernel without breaking things

have you considered RedHat workalikes like CentOS?

yes, i do have a fedora running

But again, it is a modern distro with all the features built in . I cannot learn a lot from it

like, what are you trying to learn?

anyone from the USA?

see, I just want to install it to see how it feels like to make a old linux work in a new environment

@AnujKaithwas yeah, 'sup?

do you or did you ever watch/ed cartoon network?

@tapped-out A little bit of context: I am a cyber crime investigator. When I went in one of the crime scene, I saw shrike running a pretty new PC. So I was inspired to try it too

lol, crime investigator :D

@AnujKaithwas "cyber" crime investigator to be specific. I don't do stuff like fingerprints , footprints etc

@AnujKaithwas not really, not in a loooooong time (8-9 years ago) certainly

yeah, i got that, just that I am not sure whether cyber crime is the correct word for it, leave it anyway :)

they have destroyed cartoon network. :'(

it is a channel for the brainless now.

YES

lol

I'm trained to do that. Thats actually a plausible reason to do it

forensics that is

nice

haha, yeah, cyber forensics ;

_

anyway @srikanthchandrasekaran (assuming that the package repos are still online, there's a good possibility that they're not) you could 1) install it on your old hardware and then swap harddrives and hope that it's not so hopelessly broken

yes that is definitely an option I would try tonight or tomorrow

gee, I wanted to know this, once we delete a file, where does it go, what I mean to say is that it is in the hard disk after all, right?

right

once the memory is freed, where does the data go?

nowhere immediately

the only thing thats removed is the filesystem's pointer to it

the data's still there until it's overwritten by other data

(that could take months, depending on the size and fullness of the drive)

yeah, exactly.

that's why "undeleter" programs work

okay, so once you delete the file permanently, like using the UI, isn't it possible to recover it back.

I know about those programs, but they don't work that efficiently

right, the data's not really gone. the recovery programs have to read through the entire disk

@AnujKaithwas depending on the file system, only the index( as in a book) gets deleted. The file still exists.

There are a lot of programs to undelete a file

I guess that should not depend on the file system, right?

it's in the HDD after all. (it won't be there unless you pick it up from the sector and throw it away, right?

overwrite it, yes

you can never throw it away

writing a file is nothing but configuring voltage values

@AnujKaithwas: I like the library analogy for that.

and as you said, overwriting will happen after a long time, right @tapped-out? or is it that just to manage the space properly, the OS overwrites it with the very next bit of data, once you delete it.

you have to overwrite it

@AnujKaithwas: unless you do a secure deletion

srm?

yeah, secure delete will erase it immediately by overwriting it with 0s

in unix that would be shred

@AnujKaithwas also depends on the newness of the hard drive. If it is a pretty new storage drive, with lots of space remaining, then it will take a lot of time for that space to be reused

@tapped-out: sata actually has a built in command for that

@tapped-out actually you can choose, what you want to rewrite it into...with some programs

secure erasing specific sectors or the whole drive?

I believe so

do someone know if Windows Server 2012 support Windows Store apps?

@tapped-out you cannot identify the specific sectors yourself. You have to do it for the whole drive to be safe

i meant for the SATA command

unless you use tools like Winhex or x-ways

and yes, i believe hdparm lets you write to specific sectors

according to wiki, shred uses the sata command where available

dd too, with offset

the guttmann method is kinda obsolete

@Zignd: superuser.com/questions/480988/…

@AnujKaithwas you might want to take a look at the PhotoRec wiki for a better idea at how recovery software works

did anybody suffer from a LUMBAR problem? okay @tapped-out

@JourneymanGeek thanks for the link

my talk on password management during barcamp bangalore

@Sathya the second link doesn't work. And I think that if it would work would take to same video.

@Zignd yep, corrected it. Thanks :)

lol gemsfromstackexchange.tumblr.com/post/48529499106

someday, all the good doers of this world will succeed. I swear....

Oh, btw I got the Raspberry Pi working

That is new (at least for me)

It's Youtube btw :P