Evening all.

I've just sent out my first pull request on GitHub \o/

Hopefully it'll be worth the effort :P

Oliver: is there a way to kill messages on the star wall ?

Hey guys

Let's say I have a lot of money and awesome idea

But don't have programmers

I also have an awesome idea: Send me the money. ;-)

So I will find a company that will programm the system for me

It's done and it's working

I am making money

Who is the owner of the code?

The company that made it for me?

Depends on your contract

Or the programmers that made it?

If you paid them to 'write the code and hand over all rights exclusively to you' then you are

Is it possible to not only buy the system but also the code itself?

Aye, but that is not the default

OK, but it is possible right?

and the company will continue programming the code

E.g. if you paid someone to write youa CMS and run a website, and you stop paying them then they do not have to give you the CMS code

and reparing the bugs

etc...

upgrading the system...

and I will still be the only owner of the whole code of the system

Notice I bolded 'exclusively'

What do you mean by that?

But laws will differ per country

OK

So what if the company is in USA and my company is based in EU?

Then which law will be valid?

Weird example (at least I find it weird). Say I work as IT admin (doing normal IT stuff, and some scripting). At home, in my personal time, not using any tools I write a program. My boss is now owner of that program.

The American one or the law of the EU/law of my my country

The example I gave is valid under dutch law

And really badly known

So what if you want to start your own company?

You need to quit your current job

and then start to code , right?

then you specify things in the contract. You write that all code is yours and not theirs.

No

Or, that they can keep the code, that you get a free eternal licence and that the code is kept in escrew in case of bankruptcy, to be release to you

you quit

and then you start coding your system

If you start after you quit things are probably fine.

So, you can do it also like this:

I am not a lawyer, but I do add a clausule to my contracts that any work done in y time, not related to my job, stays mine

You start coding, you code for some months... and then when you feel it's good enough, you quit your job and start your own business with that system

then that code is not yours

how come?

Since you wrote the code while working for someone.

They will not be able to find out that it was coded while you were still working

@Hennes You can flag the message and ask for it to be deleted. Moderators can also un-star them.

for the company

And later you continued on the code which was owned by someone else

OK

but there is no chance to find out

that you started in 2012 and not in 2013

no way to proove it

or is it?

@OliverSalzburg Just not comfortable with sysprep link publicly pointing to my webpage. I know you can find them all over the web. But ms licencing probably does not agree

They can ask your. Under oath

@OliverSalzburg Thank you!

@Hennes I only un-stared them. If you want them deleted, just flag them

@EinsteinsGrandson Sad thing is, I am too honest. :(

This is not about honesty

It is if they ask

This is about: you are a genius, so you deserve to make money if you create something unique like Facebook , Twitter etc...

Facebook is far from unique

It is more of yet another clone

OK, but it changed the world

One which did well

But there were lots of similar sites, quite a few earlier

And it went from 0 to 100 billions US market capitalization in 7 years

Aye, marketing was done ++

As was hady practises selling customer data.

It is a good product and the Zuckerbeg is a billionaire

It's a good example , I think

;-)

Nah, it is not a good product. It leaks data. It track tyou everywhere and it depends a lot on people not reading the small print. But yet, Z became rich

They were the only one that was succesfull

Nope

Far from the only one

All the other social networks just died pretty much...

E.g Hyves (dutch only, so limited in size) was much bigger then FB in NL

Where is it now????

And sites such as livejournal, greatest journal, Dreamwitdh, blogger, ...

Does it still exist?

Hyves is slowly dying

you see

This is what I want to be

Blogger seems to have a lot of short burst users

Zuckerberg

DW and JJ still have a lot of users

;o)

Zuckerberg did not do anything technically good

So that I can start helping people who are dying

He just did good marketing

in Africa

Maybe

But it worked

And 1 billion people use FB today

and it's making real money

It's the same like Windows

It's not the best OS

but it's the most widespread

So, Bill is a billionaire also

Indeed, and it is a copy of a copy (original Xerox? Or was that already a copy)

Apple got macOS coded after two guys visited Xerox and got a tour of their new OW, using a graphical interface.

OK, but nobody cares... Bill is a billionaire, MS is still grwoing

And IBM/MS copied it again from apple

Heh, I care. I do not mind they did a good marketing jon. I do agree they are rich

It's not about the way to achieve it, it's about achieving it

But not because they made a technical new product

Same with Betamax, video 200 and VHS

You see

VHS won, but not because it was technical better. But it was the first to allow videocassettes to be used for porn. And the one with the big sales

It's not about having the best product

It's all about marketing

@ariane waves (read scrollback a bit ago)

But today it's different I think

Google is Google because it had the best product

Aye, google had the best product.

There was no advertisement for Google for 10 years...

But marketing still decides.

E.g. a thinn tablet is nothing new

Only after they became big, they started to advertise Google Search in TV etc...

and Google does make a lot of money from selling data

OK, but that also show that they are smart

Aye. Read their 'small print' when you create an account

They know how to get data, how to sell it... and how to make money out of it

You give them your data. Lots of it. They give you service

I don't use any Google services

;o)

With facebook it was worse. Old FB rules. if you upload a picture then they were allowed to use it. For anything

@Hennes I seriously need help with something else right now. That can wait. Weirrd issues with Internet on my PC (on my phone ATM) and I'm completely lost. Especially since research on a pphone is very meh.

I use Yahoo... Does Yahoo do the same?

;o)

E.g. you go out, get drunk, do something stupid and put a picture on FB. Then FB sells that picture to an anti alcohol campaign and gets a lot of money. YOu get nothing

(you agreed to that when you created an account)

I got it

How about Yahoo?

Also, deleting the picture does not help. It merely removes it from your site.

I know

I don't have any pics of me on FB

;o)

Heh, you know. But does your family know?

Yes

I expect you are a bit more computer savvy than most people

They are forbidden to use FB. :-)

@Ariane What happened to the PC ?

Super weird problem. Skype and MSN access the Internet without a problem, but browsers caan't. I would accuse the router, but plugging directly to the modem didn't change anything, and my phone (wireless this one though) works through the same router.

They do

Any proxies configured?

Also, had to run the windows diagnostic to remove the yellow triangle from the network icon, only after which Skype could access the Internet

Nope, don't believe so.

The yellow triangle usually means something failed, but it does not say what.

additionally, trying to access Firefox's options freezes Firefox.

@Hen there was uhm, a message. It said "there seems to be a problem with the network card's driver ...Fixed -- The network card "Local network connection" is disabled (this is something for VBox) ...Detected."

Vbox adds its own virtual network cards, but it should not touch the normal ones.

Also last week it acted weird for a while but came back to normal. I turned the PC on, and there was a yellow triangle. No way to connect to anything, and restarting the router did nothing. So I plugged my phone in and activated tethering. In an instant, everything was working again, and it worked perfect after removing the phone.

Btw, in command prompt, pinging all sorts of websites always gives good results.

If that works then you have a connection. But why the triangle and why problems in ffox.

Do you have any other browsers installed? If you do, simultaneous problems with them or do they work fine (trying to narrow down from browser problems to FF problem)

this morning nit worked fine for a bit, until it started not loading pages anymore all of a sudden. Skype worked all the way though.

Neither IE nor Chrome work.

Ok, so a general browsing (but not network) problem

btw, of course I have a connection. This phone only ever connects to the internet using wi-fi from the same router

Ok, the router is fine.

Can you double check this is not ticket?

answers.oreilly.com/topic/…

can't open the link. xD

I'm back. Sorry, no open in new tab button on my phone. Nope, no proxy configured.

Then I am out of ideas, At least a system wide proxy would have made sense of all browsers (and only those) stopped working

Could it be the VM'ss virtual card interfering? It displays first after all. Or could my Ethernet driver need an update?

If it was the VM interfering I would expect no network traffic at all to work. Including Skype and MSN

Or could the firewall in the router be MORE severe with Ethernet all of a sudden?

Also, why after a short time. If you install something which is somehow incompatible that usually triggers during installation or after a reboot

Like, "lolol, I blocks HTTP but only through Ethernet"

The firewall is easy to test. From the PC use telnet to port 80 and enter web commands.

e.g. telnet superuser.com 80' ENTER http/1.1` Enter. -> Should give a 404

btw, unable to access my router at 192.168.0.1

Which IP do you get?

None. Infinite loading like all websites when trying to access the router's menu

and uhm, cmd tells me telnet is not a recognised command

@DanielBeck yeah, it probably would not be an issue, mot affect you ;p

@Ariane: maybe DNS issues?

Hmm, you had win 7 or win 8?

8

Not sure, I think they removed telnet from win 8

In win 7 they did not enable it by default.

and 7

oh? I thought the recommendation was to use putty

@Journ I haven't the slightest idea, and am in no position to search xD

All sane since it is a ancient program, but still useful for debugging.

Hello everyone!

@Ariane: quite simple actually. run tracert to a domain and see where it fails

if tracert dosen't work at all, it may be DNS

Journeyman Geek: I use puTTY. But telling Ariane to download putty to see why her browser is not working is a bit a catch 22

@Hennes I saw you were in here, would you be willing to help me a bit? I've some questions on HDMI.

else, you can work out where rhe connection is being dropped

@Journ how the heck would I download putty at the moment? xD

@Hennes: telnet is overkill for this IMO ;p

@Ariane: no need. tracert is a built in command

@BGM Not sure if I know all that much about HDMI, but formulate the question. :)

Okay, I've got three ports for HDMI input, and I need a switch. But I see that most of them come with remote controls - is that normal?

Or can it just switch automatically?

no idea.

I never used HDMI

Okay, thanks anyway.

I got an aplifier with HDMI plug and all my devices use DVI and (DVI->HDMI cable) -> (Amplifier) -> (HDMI to DVI cable)

I don't want to add another remote control to our system, but I don't know enough to discern whether it is a necessity...

@journ tracert seems to have worked normally. Tons of IPs, addresses and ping times.

hmm

For my amp I usually need to switch manually between input sources

then things get interesting. DNS and connectivity work

@Hennes That's what I figured.

@Ariane: even to those sites you can't access?

@I'll try to input the last IP directly in FF

Or ping superuser.com

Okay, well, see you all later, then. Bye.

@Journ Nope, ain't not workin'. Btw no, I entered superuser.com for tracert, and can't access it

You should get aa result like that. If DNS fails it will tell you it can not resolve the name.

hmm, ok. So traceroute to superuser did resolve the name.

@Hen I pinged tons of websites including SU this morning. Worked fine, and now tooo

@JourneymanGeek Does win8 still flush the DNS cache when rebooting?

I have no idea

No win8 here, so I can't test it

@Hennes I don't think there was a Windows update since I started having the problem

Ariane, can you still resolve superuser.com if you do an ipconfig /flushdns ?

If it helps any, FF gets stuck on "Waiting for superuser.com...", not on "Connecting to superuser.com" or something, so maybe it connects but can't receive the page for some reason.

Hmm.

Next guess would be ffox cache, but that would not explain why all browsers have the problem.

No changes in anti virus programs? I know some of those 'helpfully filter'

@Hen the tracert works like before even after doing flushdns.

Ok, then it is not a DNS problem.

Haven't changed anything AFAIK, but I'll try disabling Avast

Just the java stuff for the game ?

Or am I mixing up people again?

LOL, it works. WTF? Avast never caused issues before.

I'm here on my PC now.

Yay, so much for debugging.

Can you help me diagnose what the heck is wrong with Avast?

Maybe, but right now I am going to sleep. I have no job and my day/night rithm is wrong, but I am trying to push it back to normal.

All rightie, then.

But, check now it works, google it (or whatyever your favourite searchengine it)

Thanks.

I will be back in about 10 hours

Heh, sure.

@Journey Perhaps you can helP?

does avast have a firewall?

or some sort of content filter?

Yes, yes. From a Web search, it seems to be because of "Avast! Web agent"

Before searching land and sea, I'll try the jack-of-all-trades solution and reinstall Avast.

Uninstalling complete. Gonna reinstall.

@Journey ? @Hennes said to read the scrollback from a while ago, but I can't find any @Ariane since yesterday. Do you know what he meant?

Hmm

Well, reinstalling did the trick, whatever the problem was, for Avast.

@Journey Are you still here?

ya

tried "load to my last message"

or searching the transcript?

I searched the present chat and the transcripts since yesterday when he left, and I see no @Ariane.

Anyway uhm, I have something else I'm wondering about

I was tired of having one of my front USB ports taken by my mouse's receiver, so I moved the receiver to the back. Logitech says its Unifying receiver has a range of up to 10 m. But putting it in the back changed the distance maybe from 0.8 m to 1.5 m.

Can it be that the computer tower in between is such a huge obstacle that this situation is normal, or do you think there's something wrong? Is there a way to free my front port apart from buying a USB extension, putting the receiver in and taping it to the front of the case?

hm

that shouldn't be a problem in theory

@Ariane: chat.stackexchange.com/users/61342/ariane?tab=recent

(Why are you showing me that? o:)

About the mouse uhm. Of course a wooden desk and a metal tower with pieces spinning and probably emitting a bit of electromagnetic waves, and a wireless router not too far away can constitute a less than ideal environment, but it doesn,t sound too normal to me that its range would be less than 20 % what it should. :/

@Journey Any idea?

it's probably mostly the metal

metal does a good job of reflecting EM radiation

also, check the batteries in the mouse/keyboard

@Bob I know, but I'm pretty sure a wireless mouse, especially one designed to go to up to 10 m, is supposed to at least reach me properly at less than 2 m while plugged behind. No? If not, what's the point, and what's the evolution in those tiny receivers, if the old ones with a cable that we put on the top of the case did a better job? ._.

I mean, front USB ports aren,t made for plugging mice but for USB keys and other similar devices. ._.

first, check the batteries..

@Ariane: I use wired mice. Never had issues with the logitech I had other than losing the transmitter quite often

@Bob The batteries were charged just a week ago. SetPoint tells me they're "weak" but also says they have 95 days left.

note that the 'up to 10m' is often in ideal conditions, and might not be achievable even in normal air

eww rechargables

@Ariane swap them out for non-rechargeable brand new batteries, if possible. try that.

it's possible that the mouse is transmitting so weakly that the signal degrades too much by the time it reaches the receiver

I have an HP wireless mouse that's kinda patchy at 3-4m

and that's with literally nothing but air in the way

@Bob I'll try that. Would it mean my rechargeable batteries are too old and I need new ones? Well, it would make sense, sort of. I literally inherited them. Their brand is Radio Shack, the "home" brand of a chain of stores that ceased existing in my childhood. xD

@Bob Ah uhm nope. Worse, actually, for some reason, with the new non-rechargeable batteries.

Ni-Cad and Ni-MH "AA" cells have a specified voltage of 1.2V, compared to Carbon-Zinc ("Heavy Duty") and Alkaline at 1.5V

so often devices designed for non-rechargeable batteries won't work properly

@Ariane o.O

try turning the computer around and testing the max range without the box in the way?

Uuuuuh,

(and grab a multimeter and check the batteries you are using...)

I don't have a multimeter, of course XD. But they're brand new and 100 % charged. SetPoint says so.

Okay uhm

With pretty much nothing in the way, I reach uhm... 5m but it's patchy

I guess no matter how if it's because it's damaged or if it's because it's bad to begin with, the range is just bad. :/

Back to the front you go, for now, mouse receiver. :/

lol

@Bob Say, is the heating at 30 cm from my PC considered bad?

@Ariane: what @Bob said ;p

also, some devices are 'picky' about batteries

Well, with brand new non-rechargeable batteries, it was the same and even a little worse, so. I think the device itself is at fautl.

Anyway, for the heating. Is it bad?

um.. if it's metal, that could have an effect

the heat itself, not so much

though I would advise you not to have anything that hot so close to the computer

Well, it was the only configuration that allowed me to put my computer desk in a non-retarded way in my apartment. ^^'

morning folks

afternoon @Sathya

@Bob howdy

Wow. FxCop. Just... wow. > The discrete term 'Username' in member name 'SonicMQ.BrokerUsername' should be expressed as a compound word, 'UserName'. (CA1702)

@HackToHell: that looks familiar. Was that experiment with an lower end processor and absoluting bitching video card?

ya, amd's pile driver limited the gpu's performance

hmm

totally not what I was thinking of then

ugh. unetbootin wouldn't do a working frugal install of partedmagic

o0 using mpc shaders pushes gpu usage to 90 %

Nice ! imouto.my/…

@JourneymanGeek YUMI! :P

I think I have a copy of Parted Magic on Hirens on a multiboot flash drive

@Bob: cd rw

had one lying around ;p

though, installing windows 7 off DVD sucks

I have a stack of CD-Rs and a couple of CD-RWs

wasted at least ten with random Linux installs

I'm happy to have a system that dosen't take like, 10 minutes to boot up ;p

o.O

there's some wierd issue with the XP install on that

@Hennes so quick question, just remembered, if I use dd to copy the entire drive, wont I need to use dd to copy the MBR as well if was to make the drive be able to boot

Aye

If the old drive already has an MBR then there is no need to copy that.

But take care that the partition sizes (defined in the block directly after the MBR) are the same.

E.g. restoring a 40GB partition to a drive where a older 30GB partition is defined can get interesting.

Alright as as long as one was to just dd the whole drive it would be fine

I tend to make backups either by copying files (ignoring empty sectors, much faster) or to file (which I can compress).

Not having to worry about unused sectors simplifies things soooooo much.

@Hennes dd piped to gzip. nice and easy..

Aye.

If if you have a lot of time. bzip2 -9

Not just a bit slower, but much slower.

shudder

won't gain all that much space, either

Not bad if you just are making a backup of a server. Start Friday evening. Mionday morning it will be done

Aye, space gain was less than hoped for.

eheh

/me has been meaning to try wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lrzip on his new system at some point

@ariane: I said I read scrollback (and I noticed you " saw weird files lying around on the "Ghost" virtua.... etc etc

heh. when i was switching my newly signed over netbook to OpenSUSE, I decided to image the drive

used clonezilla, tried bzip2

ETA 6 hours, and the ETA didn't really change after 4 hours

@ariane but I completely skipped answering that to focus on the current problem (the avast one).

gzip took less than an hour

bzip2 has its uses. E.g. when you compress an image once which will be downloaded lots of times (and you pay for bandwidth)

@JourneymanGeek I thought LZMA was optimised for text?

@Bob: no idea. hence me wanting to try it

@Hennes gotta watch the extraction time, though

I can't remember if it's slower or not :P

Almost any extraction on a modern single user system seems to be IO bound, not CPU bound

hm. @JourneymanGeek forget that optimised for text comment :P