Root Access

user88311

16:00

same

and dding that drive, again

Bob

@user88311 sometimes, it's better to just order a specific one online

user88311

True

@Hennes LOL, I have to laugh at this one, before, gparted showed all those partitions as empty with errors

started gparted to unallocate them all just now and start dd again

they all show as fine

with the proper flags

time to dd to the barracuda then

hey bob any ideas why we would have gotten those errors the other day and now they show as fine

Bob

@user88311 uhh.. in-memory corruption? dodgy cabling? lightning strike?

user88311

16:15

My bet is first one, as I did just refresh gparted when I first checked the partitions, not restart it

Bob

o.O they still sell Vista here

user88311

now I have to dd each partition 1 at a time as I don't want to try to dd a 259gig to 160

and what

seriously

Bob

@user88311 My personal guess would be the second - if your SATA cables aren't great, or you bump (or don't completely push in) the USB cable, it could disconnect briefly

@user88311 Yea. $45 for Ultimate 32-bit, $49 for 64-bit (since when were those two different prices... weird store)

heh. $1 for a (Nero|CyberLink|Roxio) OEM package..

user88311

where are you at

Bob

Wait.. USB mouse pad?!

user88311

16:19

ok what store*

Bob

@user88311 Sydney. But I'm looking at MSY's clearance lists for lack of anything else to do

user88311

here's something, since I'm still new to dd, how would I que up commands as to not do each partition at the end of the other

Bob

what do you mean?

not do each partition at the end of the other?

you want to copy a specific partition? change the partition order?

user88311

copying partitions backed to a 250 onto a 160, can't just dev/sdb of=/dev/sda

Bob

well, you could copy them one at a time and resize them (assuming enough free space)

but didn't you want to keep 'empty' sectors as well, for recovery purposes?

user88311

16:23

....

if I try to dd a larger drive onto a smaller one, wont it try to copy unallocated space as well

since it copies everything

Bob

yes

do you mean to say you have unallocated (i.e. not part of a partition) space greater than or equal to 90 GB?

user88311

yes

Bob

o.O

well, you can copy individual partitions

first thing to do is create a new partition identical to the one you want to copy, on the destination drive

by identical, I mean in size

I guess a little bigger would also work, but exact match is best

then identify your source and destination partitions

where the drive is /dev/sdX

the partition will be /dev/sdX#, # being the partition number

user88311

bob

we went over this 2 days ago

Bob

huh. then why/what are you asking again now?

user88311

16:26

I just wanted to know if I could que commands, hennes showed me a way the other day but I've been busy and don't have time to check the chat log

Bob

queue? you mean execute commands one after another?

Hennes

unshowers

Bob

command1; command2; command3

separate with semicolons

Hennes

command 1 ; command 2 || command 3 && command 4

user88311

thank you

Bob

16:28

or use && if you only want to run the next command when the previous one succeeds

Hennes

; sequence

Bob

|| means run if the previous one fails

success being an exit code of 0, failure being a non-zero exit code

user88311

now< I've got to make lunch and re assemble a ps3 I reflowed a hour ago

Hennes

* Waits for hair to dry before going outside *

@user88311 Eh, two remarks.

1) Why did you not debug on the 250 drives. Larger is usually faster.

and you could recopy if needed

2) A drives partition table probably gets cached.

So if you change it, either reboot or disconnect and reconnect the drive

Then the changes will get noticed

/me removes the starred links. While you can download them from the MS site, I am not sure how they react if they find their software on someone elses webpages.

Bob

@Hennes see if the licence allows redistribution :P

prolly not

Hennes

16:33

Already deleted on my webpages.

Least effort

And MS licensing is something which causes headaches

Bob

@Hennes it was fine and surprisingly easy to understand until Win8 :\

relatively speaking. I've seen far worse

Hennes

From Sun/Oracle ?

Bob

not sure where exactly

I think i just gave up trying to understand it and blocked ti from my mind

jokerdino

With love,
joker.

Hennes

With love, my little illuminati pony

jokerdino

16:37

haha

Bob

@jokerdino hi there!

studiohack

@Hennes how cold? :P

jokerdino

@Bob sup Bob!

Bob

haven't seen you in a while

jokerdino

Yep.

Was conserving b/w.

I get about 2GB every month.

HaydnWVN

16:37

Yo joker

jokerdino

Hey @HaydnWVN.

i was almost about to ask how is your wife doing but I realized that is quite rude. How is the dog?

HaydnWVN

2GB a month?! I get more than that on my cheap mobile tariff

My dog and my girlfriend are great

as for the wife...

Not got one of those yet :P

jokerdino

@HaydnWVN Heh, dont get me started. I need to get my dad to switch broadband plans.

But he is unwilling.

@HaydnWVN Awesome!

@HaydnWVN Ah, so it is g/f and not wife. Wrong terminology there. :/

HaydnWVN

Just hit the limit every month by a few MB, he'll be tired of chasing you about it

jokerdino

@HaydnWVN Surely soon enough?

@HaydnWVN Each additional MB is .80 rupees each.

Not much but enough to eat into my pocket money.

I use up about 200 MB above the limit.

HaydnWVN

16:41

So exceed the limit by 1mb every month lol ;)

Hennes

Meh. I just dropped my old legancy unlimited mobile internet access for a cheaper mobile account with no access at all. (and a fraction of the price)

jokerdino

@HaydnWVN I have been trying lol

the one issue is the entire family has to share the 2 GB b/w

which seems almost impossible

HaydnWVN

Ouch!

I've got 4GB on my mobile tariff and my home broadband is unlimited (50GB in the T&C's)

jokerdino

I would be happy with 5 gb.

HaydnWVN

Probably use 20% of the mobile and 10% of the broadband lol

If i could send you some bandwidth i would :P

jokerdino

16:43

send me some :P

HaydnWVN

But for now shall i just email you this 1gb file? ;)

i've got bigger if you want... :P

jokerdino

lol i have another 40 MB left for this month.

Ideal heaven would have unlimited bandwidth with no data cap

HaydnWVN

You'll only get that with a high end business tariff

jokerdino

Yeah, time to make a dealing with Him.

HaydnWVN

over here in the UK there's lots of unmetered home broadband tariff's, but reading into the T&C's there's always a limit

jokerdino

16:47

Wish there were lots of roadside Wifis that are not secured.

HaydnWVN

Explain to him that you're fed up of the inflated prices they charge when you go over, try to get him to pay the same value per month similar to what he is now (maybe a bit more) with you putting some towards it a month... Then figure out what you'd be able to get with the providers you like for that price

jokerdino

Yeah.

Given that it will take 3 months for the provider to process the change. Bah

Or cough up a little as bribe.

Bob

@HaydnWVN how is 50 GB unlimited?

jokerdino

Unlimited here means 10 GB.

the network gets throttled after crossing it, I was told.

Bob

@HaydnWVN ah. I'm actually on an unlimited plan at the moment :P

upload is crappy though

expectations of low latency are completely shot when someone starts uploading anything

jokerdino

16:52

Isn't it 3 something for you there @Bob?

Bob

I spend more time worrying about how to throttle uploads than data caps

@jokerdino 4, actually. and I should sleep..

jokerdino

@Bob You ought to.

At least before I go to bed.

Bob

lol

well, I'm off then

jokerdino

i have been sleeping from 10 pm to 10 am for the past month.

@Bob Nights!

Bob

g'night

user88311

17:03

@Hennes Well that failed, dd finshed, looked at the barracuda drive in gparted, only listed the 1 partition

@Hennes the if=/dev/sdb of=dev/sda wont work because dd will try to copy a entire 250 gig drive to the 160 I obviously failed somewhere's, what command should I have used other than sdb1, sdb2, sd3 one after another

Hennes

dd from b to a should work. It should copy the first 160GB before failing. That should restore all the contents of the 160gb drive before you get the error

And you can 'only' copy 160GB by using the count command

Example: dd if=/dev/sdb bs=1G count=160 reads 160GB, then stops.

(minor detail, the 160GB drive probably is not precisely 160GB. Do adjust the numbers)

allquixotic

ARGH. I got in to work two hours late. but I sent out my required Monday AM deliverable only 10 minutes late :D

my heart was pounding as I tore through that document omg

HaydnWVN

Hometime, cya o/

allquixotic

cya Haydn

user88311

oh well aware of that

HaydnWVN

17:15

@user88311 Just use clonezilla or g4l in gparted instead of dd?

or is it a learning exercise?

user88311

data recovery

Hennes

@HaydnWVN Aye, for backups that would be best.

HaydnWVN

why struggle with dd commands when there's so many programs out there that take the headache out of it? :)

Hennes

However the Question was 'including empty sectors'

I know ghost has an option for that. As has dd, and dd is free

user88311

long story, if I wasn't re assembling a ps3, using dd, making lunch and getting ready for work I'd explain it

HaydnWVN

17:17

g4l isn't ghost (strictly speaking)

Hennes

I also assumed (dangerous thing: assumptions) that re recovery would be attempted on the copy. Both because it was the copy and because it was a larger (and probably faster) drive

HaydnWVN

ahhh, fair enough, all you had to mention was ps3 lol

i know a guy who used to change xbox/ps3 and sky hdd's for larger ones all the time

user88311

It is, I'm making a second copy as well

I do reflows, fix the ylod (solder breaks)

HaydnWVN

ahhh, only console experience i've had was swapping dvd drives in xbox360's

never really used one (or want to) just a friend needed help

anyway, i'm off! o/ :)

user88311

17:43

Well I got to get to work

Tanner

@allquixotic Two hours? Daaaaaang. What happened?

allquixotic

@Tanner i have no idea... i stayed up way too late, and i woke up and it was 10 am

i have no idea how i was able to sleep in that long but i just kind of did... my body was like, nope, you can bring this building down around me but i'm gonna get some sleep

Tanner

@allquixotic Slept through alarm?

allquixotic

@Tanner slept through everything... other people yelling at me, alarm, etc etc

Tanner

@allquixotic That sucks... you get in trouble?

allquixotic

17:46

awesome user name change btw... calling you Tanner is what I'd do anyway so it's good to be able to ping you by that ;D

Tanner

haha yeah I didn't know I could change my username on a whim, and didn't realize that duplicates don't matter.

allquixotic

@Tanner no, not really... I had to hurry up and submit a deliverable due by noon, I usually spend a few hours on it but I choked it out only 10 minutes late and they didn't seem to care... one of my supervisors (not my actual BIG BOSS) talked to me but he was more concerned than scolding

Tanner

That's good.

I showed up 1 hour and 15 minutes late to work once. Since then I've had a reoccuring nightmare every month about being late...

allquixotic

i'm eavesdropping on a conversation in the big boss's office and it sounds like it's about test scripts or something, not me, so I'm happy

Tanner

Also I use three alarms now. One with battery backup that will go off unplugged, one that's entirely analog, and an alarm on my cell phone.

allquixotic

17:49

haha. I'm thinking of getting a bed that will turn sideways and plop me down on the floor next to my computer if I don't wake up in time

Tanner

lmao

studiohack

amazon.com/Sonic-SBB500ss-Vibrating-Alarm-Clock/dp/B000OOWZUK

allquixotic

also I'm thinking it should have, like, a chainsaw that threatens to cut into my skin if I don't wake up

studiohack

@allquixotic, @Tanner this is what I use :P

allquixotic

rev it up, start a loud gasoline engine with no muffler

studiohack

17:50

really works! I'm deaf.

@allquixotic hahahahaha

Tanner

113db is significant.

studiohack

@Tanner not if you are 90dB deaf

Tanner

@studiohack Whoa, are you?

studiohack

@Tanner yup! born 80db deaf. now have lost 90% of my hearing

allquixotic

or I could just get a partner of some sort, an actual other person, and let them think up fiendishly evil ways of waking me up, like trying to break my leg

studiohack

17:51

@allquixotic I read on Lifehacker a gadget that posts embarrassing tweets about you on Twitter if you don't get up.

allquixotic

@studiohack awesome

I have SERIOUS issues with waking up, but it's mostly a function of the amount of sleep I get

studiohack

@allquixotic me too. I sleep too much or too little. I even ignore my alarm mentioned above (the sonicboom)

allquixotic

10 or more hours: easy; marginally less than 8 hours: difficult; 5 hours: very difficult; 2 hours: nearly impossible; 30 minutes to 1 hour: a freight train could run over me and I'd sleep through it, snoring and all

studiohack

@allquixotic hahahaha

I can survive 6 hours, I prefer 9, it's luxury and bliss to sleep over 9

allquixotic

I LOVE sleeping 10 - 12 hours, I do that all the time when I don't have work the next day

it feels sooooo good to be able to wake up naturally

also, on days like this when I get almost no sleep the night before, I usually come home after work and crash hard at like 7pm

and have a much easier time of waking up the next day, but I'm like "damnit damnit damnit, there goes my social life"

Tanner

17:55

@studiohack For me it's exactly 8 hours or I'm in a "YOU ALL CAN BURN IN HELL" kind of mood...

Today I slept 9. Guess how I'm feeling? :P

allquixotic

@Tanner I'm about as functional (and easy to get up) on exactly 8 hours as the typical person is on 4

my body needs 10 - 12 every single day to be 100% physically healthy and happy

anything less and the sky starts to fall

Tanner

@studiohack I have 30-40db loss in my right ear. Probably 15ish on the left?

studiohack

@Tanner lol haha. really? how come? (the hearing loss)

Tanner

It's either music or cogan's syndrome. I'll know when I'm 30...

studiohack

@allquixotic if you don't have a social life, that's not a problem. :P (mine is at work)

Tanner

17:57

Dad has an autoimmune disease with similar symptomps.

allquixotic

speaking of hearing loss, I consider myself extremely lucky; my hearing is within normal range for someone my age (27), even though I've had tubes (plastic, or metal) in my ear drums like 6 times, and had all kinds of ear infections and perforated ear drums and stuff early in childhood

studiohack

@allquixotic that's a painful childhood

allquixotic

I had my adenoids surgically removed and the area where they grow cauterized twice; it took two attempts to get them to stop growing back :P once I had them out the second time in my teen years (they gave me the gas mask general anaesthetic for the surgery), my rate of ear infections dropped from 1 every 3 - 6 months to 1 every 18 - 24 months

the last time I had an ear infection now was when I was 24 or 25 and I'm 27

the thing is, if you grow large adenoids, they block your natural mucus passageways and prevent your ears from draining fluid, so the fluid backs up and you get an ear infection; then if you don't get it treated with an antibiotic, since it can't drain anywhere it perforates the ear drum

my ear nose and throat doctor explained it to me when i was young but i remember the concept. I have lingering minor sinus problems nowadays but nowhere NEAR what I used to have.

Tanner

ENT problems suck.

I had that surgery where they yank cartilage out of your nose and try to straighten it out... Need it done again but no.

allquixotic

@Tanner ack.

I don't really mind ENT surgeries so much if they give you general anaesthesia, but I don't like to have the problems in the first place hehe

Tanner

18:04

I don't like the healing.

They packed my sinuses with gauze clear up to my eyeballs. Eff that. Never again.

allquixotic

one time my ENT was using an instrument to look up my nose and he touched it against something in there (I don't even know) and I had a SHARP pain like being stabbed with an ice pick

it felt like he was going to touch my brain but it wasn't THAT long of an instrument

gauze up to your eyeballs? ack, yuck. the healing process for the adenoid removal is nowhere near that bad

they cauterize it using heat while you're unconscious so that they don't grow back; the same process also stops bleeding and basically seals off that area from future tissue growth

Tanner

Yeah I've had my nose cauterized before too, due to excessive bleeds.

allquixotic

I remember feeling a vague kind of pain in the back of my throat / back of my sinuses but it wasn't anything worse than, say, a sinus headache

the recovery for that surgery really wasn't THAT bad

plus I got ice cream (as much as I wanted) :3

Tanner

haha

lol hijack this scan. forgot that I put that in my hosts file...

allquixotic

meeting with the customer at the customer site from 1:30 - 3:00 pm today and every day this week. I'll be away from my desk. I'll see you guys later when I return. :3

Tanner

18:10

@allquixotic Cya later

Blog bot

19:03

Blog - Stack Exchange: Podcast #41 – Neither of Us Have Muscles

Alex Miller on January 28, 2013

Welcome to Stack Exchange Podcast #41, featuring Joel Spolsky, Jay Hanlon, David Fullerton, Kyle Brandt, Nick Craver, and Geoff Dalgas, with Producer Alex calling in from Denver! We have a bunch of systems administrators and the like here, because we are in the process of moving datacenters to our new home in New York City.

So what’s involved in the move? We hired movers to do all the de-racking and truck driving, so the work done by SE employees involved laying everything out and then wiring it back up. …

Tanner

19:18

@slhck I feel a need to mention that I do like Epiphone. IMO they make the best new guitars in the $600 range. I just hate buying new guitars. =D

So the "Hell no" to the Epiphone was not anything against Epiphone.

slhck

@Tanner Yeah, I like them too, if you get proper replacement pickups, because the original ones are not too good.

Tanner

I really like how well set up they are to begin with. Most people that buy a guitar aren't going to get it properly set up, and if they do that's like another $100...

(at least buy a guitar in that range)

slhck

Yup!

Boris_yo

19:37

@Tanner Should I play on you?

Tanner

@Boris_yo Why do I feel slightly molested by that comment?

Boris_yo

@Tanner At least not abused...

@Tanner Is that Gibson Les Paul or Gibson Les Mel?

Tanner

Paul

Somewhere between 1970 and 73

Pickups aren't original :( but they were made with the original pickup winder so whatevs

Pots were replaced in 76

Boris_yo

@Tanner You like Bob Marley?

Tanner

@Boris_yo I appreciate some Marley. Not a huge fan though.

Gotta love No Woman No Cry

Boris_yo

19:48

@Tanner I heard he played in 432hz

Today all music is set to 440hz to weaken humanity and keep us in fear and low creativity.

mindpowermp3.com/…

Here is part with Bob Marley:

►

Tanner

20:49

@Boris_yo Might have to try 432hz, though I don't really think it makes a difference

Boris_yo

@Tanner It does with headphones.

Tanner

How so?

allquixotic

@Boris_yo I don't know what conspiracy theory you're going on about with 440 Hz, but you can change it to whatever frequency you want using commonly available software on any platform.

I regularly listen to music pitch shifted, so when it's pitch shifted, it's definitely not based on A440

allquixotic

21:04

Boris_yo

@allquixotic No, you need to have music naturally listened to or recorded from original source that plays it in 432Hz.

Tanner

I... what?

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Meme?

Tanner

@Boris_yo Okay. I'll bite. Why doesn't shifting the pitch work?

allquixotic

@Tanner that is from a printed out slide deck / packet from my meeting today

Tanner

21:05

@allquixotic haha nice

allquixotic

imagine a bunch of 50+ year olds in a room acting extremely serious and formal, and this one young guy presenting, and he puts an image macro up

considering our organization is quite extremely sensitive to the older generation (we serve them!), I don't think that image macro was very well-received. nobody even knew what an image macro was.

Tanner

Welp. Somebody lost their job yesterday.

allquixotic

who?

Tanner

That one young guy lol

allquixotic

@Tanner oh. no way. he holds that place together, literally

he's the only one on the customer testing team that REALLY knows his technical stuff... HTML, CSS, JS, template libraries, etc

the rest are all "adult learners of technomagic" and don't have the slightest clue about it

Tanner

21:10

haha

What was the reaction to it?

allquixotic

best summed up by: they say "screen"; he says "page" like any sane web dev would.

@Tanner I laughed. Rest of the room: DEAD SILENCE.

Tanner

Nice.

Clearly they weren't sure what they were looking at =D

allquixotic

@Tanner yeah -- "why is this picture of an elderly woman looking at a computer overlaid with text? Is this some kind of joke?"

and prior to that image macro was extremely fast-paced, buzzword and acronym-laced jibber-jabber from the team lead people, with nary a single word worth smiling about

more horror than anything - "dear god, are we really going to have to do all this work?!?!?!"

Daniel Beck

If I have a CPU that takes DDR3-800/1066/1333 memory, can I install DDR3-1600 memory (CL11) and run it at 1333 CL9? I can't find any DDR3 1333 CL9 RAM confirmed to work on the MB I want...

Tanner

@DanielBeck Usually.

or wait

is that mobo only?

Daniel Beck

21:18

@Tanner How do I find out? I'd rather not buy RAM for €800 and find out it's slow :-/

@Tanner What do you mean?

Tanner

@allquixotic would probably know better than I

Daniel Beck

Looking at dual Xeons E5-2640 and Asus Z9PE-D16. Compatible RAM: dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/Socket2011/Z9PE-D16/Manual/…

Tanner

I have RAM running in the configuration you described

@DanielBeck Basically if it's not on the supported list you're going to be testing your luck either way. I don't think there's any real way to make sure it's going to work other than dropping it in and finding out.

The closer all the specs are the better of course.

Daniel Beck

@Tanner Wait, I want to get supported RAM, but run the DDR-1600 at 1333 because the CPU only does 800/1066/1333. Or do you mean this is already out of spec?

Basically the only supported RAM I find is KVR16R11D4/8HC.

Tanner

Oh, if it's on the supported list you should be fine. It'll just run at the 1333.

@DanielBeck Maybe pop in to the Comms Room and ask? I can't say I've tested it with ECC and whatnot. I've abused RAM pretty well on desktops, but they might be more forgiving.

allquixotic

21:31

@Tanner it works in server/ECC/buffered configurations as well as it does in unbuffered/non-ECC

Tanner

So he ought to be fine, ya? The difference between CL11 and CL9 should be negligible, and I can't say I personally notice a difference between 1333 and 1600 even.

allquixotic

@DanielBeck well it will be slow*er* than getting a CPU/mobo that does 1600, but it won't be slow as in unacceptably slow, probably. but anyway you should consider this: if you buy from a store that doesn't accept returns, it's your fault :P buy it "risk-free" and if it don't work, send it back and get something else... if your store won't let you, don't shop there!

Tanner

@allquixotic Ahh, the practical approach :P

allquixotic

@Tanner s/practical/empirical

ordering hardware online is like ordering a pair of shoes online -- for all you know, it has some unstated problem or limitation or just doesn't seem right, so sending it back is a normal part of the process

Daniel Beck

Yeah, no chance to do that when ordering something as a business in Germany.

Tanner

21:37

=\ Really? Your options are that limited?

Daniel Beck

Perhaps with some vendors targeting businesses specifically, but they don't usually sell parts, and as it's just me I don't get preferred customer status any time soon.

Well, and Amazon.

10€ more per module (~63 instead of ~53), but being able to return.... could be worth it.

Crap. Amazon Marketplace, and returning is again only allowed for consumers.

To clarify, I can of course return broken stuff, but "I can't get it to work", "It's not what I need", etc. doesn't work.

allquixotic

that sucks

in that case, DON'T base your purchasing decision on my advice =o

Tanner

haha

allquixotic

idk how you're going to decide then

Tanner

Ya know what? effit. If it's on your mobo's supported list and it doesn't work, the damn thing is broken IMO :P

Just send it back and say "It's broken" if it won't post with it in

I dunno. It's a tough call.

allquixotic

21:46

but, if it's NOT on the mobo's supported list, do NOT under any circumstances buy it under that restrictive "no returns" policy

maybe you can use the mobo's supported list as a defense so that you can make warranty claims like "this is supposed to work! look, here, it says so!" to get a free under warranty replacement

slhck

You could probably ask them if it works with this motherboard.

At least I did a similar thing with a store for coffee gear and they said they honestly didn't know but would take it back if it didn't work.

Journeyman Geek

23:11

@DanielBeck: pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/… ram frequency shouldn't matter that much, practically

Daniel Beck

@JourneymanGeek Was more about general compatibility as I haven't kept up to date with component development. I expected 1600/CL11 RAM to run at 1333/CL9 (CAS latency probably having the most impact), and the real world difference should be negligible. 11/1333 OTOH...

You'll notice that the (CAS latency)/(frequency) ratio is always about the same.

I want to run RAM with a frequency different from the specified one. I thought that warranted a question.

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