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Tom Wijsman

17:00

I hope this makes sense. sounds like he/she doesn't even know whether it made sense to him/herself.

slhck

@terdon That question reminds me of the Bashphorisms…

HackToHell

@Luke mywot.com/scorecard/…

slhck

> Rule #1: The questioner will never tell you what they are really doing the first time they ask.

r.tanner.f

@slhck It's a weird and really hard habit to break actually

Luke

@HackToHell Good to know

slhck

17:03

@r.tanner.f I know… but once you start people doing for f in $( ls | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | sort … ) there must be something wrong :P

Luke

@Hennes (just reading your comment that was starred): It's -10 C here

r.tanner.f

@Luke eeefffff that. that is cold.

Luke

It was -40 for a good two weeks

allquixotic

it's -7.7 C here :P

overnight tonight it's supposed to be -10 to -12 C

Luke

I gotta bring snow with me to the Vancouver area, apparently

allquixotic

17:04

that damn Canada cold air /me raises fists at @Luke

r.tanner.f

eh, I guess it's -6.6 C here

allquixotic

celsius, 24-hour time, meters and liters are so counterintuitive when I've been using the Imperial system all my life

grams, too

little forays into SI units when I did physics and calculus in high school and college

but mostly when I have a spatially intuitive understanding of a unit system, it's Imperial

I know what 50 pounds feels like to carry but i have no idea what 30 kilograms feels like

without doing some dimensional analysis in my head

I still don't understand why bottles of softdrink are sold in 2 liter bottles but milk is sold in half-gallons or gallons

BGM

@allquixotic - Hello, Mr. Quixote - I wanted to tell you how it went with the computer.

allquixotic

@BGM oh god D: is it awful and broken and incompatible?!

BGM

No, actually, everything fit together perfectly.

allquixotic

17:19

REALLY?!?! :D

Hennes

It would be nice if the whole world got one identical set of measurements, data format (e.g. no more fifth of August 1970 as 'aug-5-1970' and such

BGM

I was surprised at the CPU fan - the one that came with the CPU would not fit - and indeed, wasn't needed. The Shuttle box came with an "ICU" - that is, a metal plate with pipes that led to a back-mounted fan.

That Shuttle is a good box - all metal and of good quality.

allquixotic

@BGM ICU... very interesting! -- I didn't know about that. I figured the included CPU fan might be a problem (usually is with mini ITX) but I'm impressed that Shuttle foresaw this problem :)

does it boot? does it work? :D

BGM

In fact, I have it running here next to me with Windows 7 x64.

terdon

@slhck, answer modified. Well done on spotting that cut by the way, completely missed it. I modified the answer to remove cut since I can¡'t figure out what else the OP wants to do.

allquixotic

17:21

woohoo! :D

BGM

It came with a disc full of drivers which were needed for the use of the network card. After the drivers were installed, I was able to activate windows.

The system is VERY quiet - you can't hear a thing unless you use the disc player.

allquixotic

@BGM I'm so glad it worked out for you. It's sometimes hard to spec out a PC on the spot and get it working without knowing all the details.

BGM

Well, I ran the specs by another techie friend and he approved.

allquixotic

And the graphics card? You got the Radeon beast working?

or Nvidia I think

Hennes

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slhck

17:23

@terdon Cool, thanks :) Yup, XY problem there

BGM

The graphics card fit in right fine. (radeon) - I had to change the card's little metal mount, but the card came with TWO mounts! However, I had to rethread one of the screws on the mount, but I've got LOTS of extra screws.

@allquixotic - So thanks again. You have been alot of help.

allquixotic

@BGM by the way, the drivers that came on the disk are usually outdated by a year or so, so, if you go to the manufacturer website for each respective component (motherboard, AMD card, etc) you can get updated drivers.

I wouldn't leap to update everything right away unless you encounter a specific problem, but if you hit performance or glitch or crash issues, definitely update.

the updated drivers rarely, very rarely, come with additional bugs or regressions, and are designed to address issues that were present in the original driver shipment

BGM

Yes, I've updated drivers before - it's a good idea.

allquixotic

for the radeon I'd recommend for you to go download Catalyst 13.1 from AMD.com straight away

I've been using Catalyst 13.1 since the day it released and it improved performance and stability all around

BGM

The Radeon came with catalyst drivers, which I did install.

allquixotic

17:26

FYI Catalyst version 13.1 (January 2013) was released just a few days ago (less than a week) so there's no way it's on the driver CD

BGM

Well, I saw something that said Catalyst on it...

allquixotic

I have no doubt you installed a version of Catalyst

but it's definitely not version 13.1

I love hearing back from people after I give them specs on a system, and I'm glad you managed to put it all together (it's not all that hard to assemble systems from parts these days, though, is it?) -- this gives me feedback that I build upon to advise people in the future :)

HackToHell

ooh 13.1 got released a few days ago, missed it

BGM

Actually, I much prefer assembling the system. It gives me that nifty, nerdy feeling.

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allquixotic

now I don't know what kind of time commitments you already have, but just to let you know, the #1 way in which you might contribute back in return for my help is to answer questions on Super User -- add your knowledge to the pool, help other people, and I also wouldn't mind having you around Root Access, either :D

Hennes

17:30

I liked assembling after it no longer included ISA cards.

I always cut myself on those.

allquixotic

so, if you have time.... "pay it forward" (a term used sometimes to indicate that you've been helped by the community, so helping others in return is recommended)

BGM

I have answered some. I spend more time on Sharepoint Stack Exchange (I am at 600 points there!) and Stack Overflow (566).

allquixotic

oh okay, cool

Hennes

And it often was a bit of a puzzle to set the jumpers for the right combination of IRQ, DMA and addresses on eahc of the ISA cards.

BGM

Oh - it has Catylist 12.8

allquixotic

17:31

whichever SE site you contribute to is 100% fine with me, I don't care which one

BGM

I hardly go to other forums now that I am used to Stack Exchange.

allquixotic

@BGM Catalyst 12.8 was an okay version, but version 12.10 and version 13.1 have been released in the interim, and represent over four months worth of bugfixes

r.tanner.f

@BGM Out of curiosity, are you pretty much the only IT guy?

Einsteins Grandson

Anybody of you has an experience with Kindle_

?

Hennes

Nope.

r.tanner.f

17:32

@EinsteinsGrandson little bit

Oliver Salzburg

1

A: Why won't my computer go to sleep automatically?

To answer my own question, it seems that to discover what's preventing your system from sleeping, you can run powercfg -energy and let it do a trace. The resulting report revealed the following for me: Which lead me to: Which fixed my problem! :)

Awesome!

BGM

Well, sort of. One of our parishioners oversees things on a large scale, but I do all the tedious stuff. I am 90% of the IT department.

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson Kindle what? the Kindle app? the Kindle device?

Hennes

Except for trying to order book for a kindle via amazon. I failed to figure out how to do that

Einsteins Grandson

Kindle Paperwhite or Kindle?

I mean Kindle Ebook Reader

amazon.com/gp/product/B008GG93YE/ref=kindle_dp_comp

amazon.com/Kindle-Paperwhite-Touch-light/dp/B007OZNZG0/…

allquixotic

17:34

meh... my mom has one but I only used it for about 10 minutes. it has a very basic web browser. what's your specific question?

Einsteins Grandson

One of those

I want to read PDF files on it

books and documents in PDF

Hennes

That might not work well. (I know it is a problem on a b-book)

Einsteins Grandson

as well as othe formats epub , mobi etc

Hennes

YOuc an read ti, but PDF is mostly a preformtted format

r.tanner.f

@EinsteinsGrandson Not gonna happen :(

Einsteins Grandson

17:35

Can it display also other formats except for PDF ?

Hennes

WHich usually means: formatted to A4 or paper width

So you end up with lots of horizontal scrolling

r.tanner.f

If I remember correctly, you can't put random PDFs on a Kindle device

Einsteins Grandson

That's my primary question

allquixotic

if you really want to render PDF/mobi/epub/etc you should be using a device running Android with a backlit LED/AMOLED/etc. screen, which is able to render graphics and rasterized text with great precision and colors -- something that eInk technology can't do well / at all (depending on the version of the device)

r.tanner.f

^

Hennes

17:36

Well, you want to jailbreak it.

Einsteins Grandson

I can't put my PDFs into Kindle? Only those that I buy via Kindle store?

r.tanner.f

I was going to suggest a cheap Android tablet as well

allquixotic

furthermore, Android has much better apps (without jaikbreaking/rooting) to view those formats

Hennes

Buy a kindle (or similar), jailbreak it, add PDF's

r.tanner.f

@EinsteinsGrandson I'm pretty sure it's only Kindle. Also if you're wanting epub, mobi, etc, definitely better off with a cheap droid IMO

Hennes

17:37

Also, I really prefer e-inkt ebooks

r.tanner.f

I didn't even know you could jailbreak a Kindle =D

Hennes

Those actually work in the sun

Einsteins Grandson

What is eInk?

The technology that Kindle uses?

allquixotic

@r.tanner.f they're a general purpose computer deep inside, behind the glossy firmware veneer. they can be jailbroken just like any other device.

Hennes

E Ink

E Ink (electrophoretic ink) is a specific proprietary type of electronic paper manufactured by E Ink Corporation, founded in 1997 based on research started at the MIT Media Lab. Joseph Jacobson and Barrett Comiskey are listed as inventors on the original patent filed in 1996. It is currently available commercially in grayscale and color and is commonly used in mobile devices such as e-readers and, to a lesser extent, mobile phones and watches. Corporate history On June 1, 2009, E Ink Corp. announced an agreement to be purchased by one of its primary business partners, Prime View Int'...

Einsteins Grandson

17:38

Yes

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson you ask this and yet you want / own devices using this screen tech :D it's what makes the device take 0 energy when the screen isn't updated

Hennes

The tree important details of e-inkt are:

allquixotic

it's like an advanced etch-a-sketch

Hennes

1) READBLE IN FULL SUN

2) Only uses power when changing the display (read, turn the device off. It uses no power yet the last page keeps being displayed)

3) Slow to refresh. Fast enough to do a 'turn page', 'read page', but you do not want to try gaming on it

Einsteins Grandson

OK

Hennes

17:40

It is perfect for e-books.

Einsteins Grandson

But the only way to read my PDFs is Jailbreak right?

BGM

Y'all, I do need help with something else. I need to find a camera for a conference table. The table sits about 14 people. I would like to mount the camera permanently on the wall, so I am thinking a range of clarity for about 20 feet. It will be for video conferencing.

Hennes

But not for a general purpose device

allquixotic

also, while I think there are some limited color eInk devices, in general they are much worse at color vibrance than LEDs

BGM

Hey! I got the paper-clip guy again!

Hennes

17:40

For a kindle: I think yes, you need to jailbreak. For other e-reader: depends on which one you get

r.tanner.f

haha

Hennes

Well, e-inkt and black and white text...

allquixotic

@BGM I would love to help you with this, but I'm not knowledgable in the area of cameras. I know my limits. @anyone: doesn't SE have a photography site or something?

Einsteins Grandson

The thing is that I assume my eyes will hurt me much less than using LED/LCD... color display

r.tanner.f

@allquixotic Doubtful that they have an active chat room...

Hennes

17:41

preferable not paperwhite text to reduce contrast and make things easier on the eyes

Einsteins Grandson

What do you mean Hennes?

r.tanner.f

probably not appropriate though

allquixotic

well it's not an appropriate question for the site, but if they had chat...

r.tanner.f

Photography Chat

All-things photography related discussion.

Hennes

Pure while and black contrast is more tiring. Books are not quite perfect white.

Which helps.

r.tanner.f

17:42

Pretty sleepy in there lol

Hennes

Improving a book to be perfect black on perfect white would makes it less pleasant to read

Einsteins Grandson

But the PDFs that I have are all white... the font is black or grey...

BGM

@r.tanner.f Okay, I'll check that out.

Einsteins Grandson

Or they are color PDFs

Hennes

If the screen is not perfect white then white will be displayed as this:

allquixotic

17:43

@BGM you might want to hang around here though, I'm sure someone here is geeky about cameras

Einsteins Grandson

Yes, that's good

BGM

Anyone here know about webcams?

Hennes

barely (webcams)

Einsteins Grandson

OK, so what is the next best eBook Reader after Kindle?

;o)

allquixotic

@BGM the limited bit I do know about cameras is that, there are two very different ranges of cameras, and perhaps some in between: there are "consumer" cameras which are very budget-sensitive but lower quality, and "professional" cameras which often give you the raw pixels from the sensor (huge images) but carry an expensive pricetag and come with high end features

r.tanner.f

17:44

Okay, I'm having a terminology herp derp. We have a few web pages that are accessible from internal and public (is that right?) IP addresses. They're on the same box though, it's just NAT + port forwarding from the public IP to the same interface on the server that runs the private address. What do I... call that? lol

Hennes

ebook: depends on what you want to spent and how big you want it, and how portable

Einsteins Grandson

I don't care so much about how big it is

I just have hundreds of PDFs and don't feel like reading them on PC or laptop anymore

allquixotic

@r.tanner.f so the pages are accessible to BOTH the public AND the LAN?

r.tanner.f

I'm trying to explain that I cannot access these pages on the external interface (?) from our internal network (?).

Hennes

10 inch ebooks are way more expensive then 6 inch ebook. More text on screen is good. But it does not easily fit into a pocket anymore

Einsteins Grandson

17:45

OK, let's say I want a 6 inch reader

r.tanner.f

@allquixotic Yes

Einsteins Grandson

It's true that it's too big and way too heavy ... the 10 inch reader comparing to 6 inch...

allquixotic

@r.tanner.f so you have IP masquerading and your web server is listening on the private IP address and you forward (route) the packets from external:XXXX to internal:XXXX and the whole thing is done within one box using iptables or so?

Hennes

Comparison of e-book readers

An e-book reader is a portable electronic device that is designed primarily for the purpose of reading digital books and periodicals. E-book readers are similar in form to a tablet computer. A tablet computer typically has a faster screen capable of higher refresh rates which makes them more suitable for interaction. The main advantages of e-book readers are better readability of their screens especially in bright sunlight and longer battery life. This is achieved by using electronic paper technology to display content to readers. Any device that can display text on a screen can act as an...

r.tanner.f

@allquixotic Yeah, our firewall handles it

Einsteins Grandson

17:47

You guys don't read PDFs? You only code and browse the Internet?

r.tanner.f

What's the correct way to refer to each... "interface"?

Einsteins Grandson

;o)

Thought I would find somebody who uses eBook reader daily

;o)

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson I read PDFs on a desktop, or rarely if needed, on an Android device. I don't own a Kindle. if I did, I'd read Kindle e-books on it only.

r.tanner.f

There's the classic @EinsteinsGrandson smiley! =D I felt jipped last time.

Hennes

A friend has a 6 inch b book (from a Belgium maker). It works fine for mobi, .html and similar formats, but not for pre-formatted PDFs (which most of my books are)

allquixotic

17:48

@r.tanner.f different interfaces for the same NIC... that's just what you call them... external iface and internal iface

r.tanner.f

@EinsteinsGrandson I just shove an ethernet cable in my ear and download that stuff. PDFs? Psh, weak.

allquixotic

there's no real special terminology for it

Hennes

I used it to read once. I liked it. Then I saw its price (3-ish years ago) and decided to skip

r.tanner.f

@allquixotic Okay, thanks. I've been calling it that and been getting funny looks so I thought I'd check.

Hennes

@r.tanner.f Blue tooth (ref: cybermen)

allquixotic

17:49

@r.tanner.f just explain to them that the external iface is publicly routable and the internal iface is on the local subnet. if that terminology makes them give you even funnier looks, then they aren't network / technical people, and they need to be slapped with a trout until they understand

Einsteins Grandson

What if I buy Android tablet?

allquixotic

drawing diagrams helps

@EinsteinsGrandson what if? what if? well, let's start evaluating the universal implications of one person buying an android tablet....

Einsteins Grandson

Am I going to be blind after reading 5 hours a day?

;o)

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson no.

Einsteins Grandson

I suppose it's not that convenient to read eBooks on a tablet

Hennes

17:50

A lot depends on the screen. Whatever you do, make sure you look at a device in a shop. A bad screen can ruin everything

r.tanner.f

@allquixotic 1) Improved quality of life. 2) That warm fuzzy feeling you get from using open source(ish) software 3) A device you don't rent from a company

Einsteins Grandson

The good thing is that I can read anything ... PDFs, mobi, html, epub.... That's a huge advantage

allquixotic

a tablet backlit LED has basically the same characteristics and optical impact as reading from a PC monitor -- the only difference is that you hold the tablet closer to your face and the PC monitor is further away and bigger, but they take up roughly the same amount of your view, and based on the same technology

@r.tanner.f and $XXX transferred into the direct deposit account of the manufacturer, and, and, and, and, and....

Einsteins Grandson

OK, so which one should I buy?

;o))))))))))))))))))))

Which tablet

?

Hennes

@EinsteinsGrandson "The best one for you"

allquixotic

17:52

@EinsteinsGrandson what a stupid question! there are hundreds of choices. choose one. learn to shop

Einsteins Grandson

;o)

allquixotic

seriously, until this discussion right now, I thought that there was no such thing as a stupid question. now I'm beginning to wonder

Einsteins Grandson

It will take me 1-2 years to choose one

I am a perfectionist

allquixotic

good! that's frugal!

Diago

@Hennes Best advice ever given. Best advice ever received. I wish others would learn this

@EinsteinsGrandson Wait then.

It means you don't really need it.

r.tanner.f

17:53

@EinsteinsGrandson Time is money. Spend less time and if you don't like the first one, buy another. :P

Einsteins Grandson

What do I not need it?

;o)

Diago

@EinsteinsGrandson If you can't decide which one you want then you don't need it. Any gadget purchase, unless you have the money to waste, must be based on an exact need and a problem to solve

Otherwise your just wasting time and money

Einsteins Grandson

The exact need is to read eBooks on it, nothing else

BTW, I heard that tablets with AMD will burn in my hands, is that true?

Diago

@EinsteinsGrandson Then buy the cheapest ebook reader you can find.

Einsteins Grandson

The producers of AMD tablets don't know how to cool the processor...

off

Hennes

17:56

Current AMD chips in tablets run hotter, but if you get burned then the designer did something wrong

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson BTW, I heard that desktops with VIA will create quantum singularities that encompass entire planets through spurious cold fusion, is that true?

Einsteins Grandson

What is spurious cold fusion?

Hennes

But the only reason to buy an AMD based tabled is their relative good graphics performance. Nice if you want to play games. Irrelevant if you read books

allquixotic

/facepalm

Hennes

BGM

17:57

Okay, see y'all later!

slhck

@terdon I hope you don't mind me editing your last answer, but there were a few minors — actually, find was built so that exec can deal with any file name.

r.tanner.f

@BGM cya later

Einsteins Grandson

Tablet with Windows, bad idea?

Hennes

Depends on your goal.

Einsteins Grandson

Android is better?

Can I run Win 32-bit applications for Win XP on Windows 8 tablet?

;o)

Hennes

17:59

@EinsteinsGrandson What is better. A formula-1 racing car or a truck? (And no, I will no say if I am going to win a race or if I have to move furniture from one state to another)

Anayway. AFK - shopping for food and beer

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