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@barlop Yes
@Mechanicalsnail can you check the SMART data on them and if not then does that bother you?
Some of them.
00:58
@Mechanicalsnail How can I know in advance whether it's possible for a particular one? And how do you check the SMART data on it?
@barlop On Linux, run palimpsest and see whether a "SMART Data" button shows up.
@barlop I expect most recent USB hard drives will support it.
 
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02:55
@Sathya @Journeymangeek Brett gave me a number but it's kinda useless
What do I do ??? !!!???
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03:47
@allquixotic Well, VBox just crashed.
The host is still working, though
 
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05:08
@allquixotic Ok, I think I might go buy VMWare :\
I swear VirtualBox 3D on Windows has gotten worse.
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06:00
ugh
a patch cable listed as cat6, but only 26AWG :\
06:22
I think my computer's haunted now.
I'm running out of explanations. I've finally replaced the CPU, and it's freezing on boot.
Basically, my computer freezes up on me at semi-random, and now my motherboard is showing me an error code not listed in the manual.
I've replaced every major component in this machine, and yet the problem persists (in fact, it seems to be worse now that I can't boot).
Notably, it gets past the bootloader and grub, but freezes about 5 seconds into booting Windows.
Help? Any ideas? Replacing the CPU was really supposed to fix it.
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@bluejeansummer So.. CPU, RAM, PSU, GPU, HDD, ODD, HIDs
Are you sure all the new components are compatible?
ODD?
All the replacements were identicial.
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Optical Disk Drive
Ah. There wasn't one for the first half of the machine's lifetime.
Which is about 6 months now.
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Though that isn't likely to be the cause.
So, did you replace the HDD?
Did you attempt to reinstall the OS?
Does it freeze when you boot from a Live CD/USB? What about if you detatch the HDD?
06:32
I have a SSD and 4 HDDs in a RAID, and I've reproduced the problem with each umplugged.
That is, I've booted from just the SSD, and I've booted from just the HDDs.
It happens on both Linux and Windows.
I've replaced CPU, RAM, PSU, GPU, 2 of the 4 HDDs, and my mouse so far.
(the mouse was an unrelated issue)
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o.O
Could it be the motherboard itself?
Oh, right. I've replaced that too.
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Dirty power?
First one had some pins in the PCI-E slot sticking out, so it had to be replaced anyways.
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Failed new component?
06:35
I have a multimeter, but I have no idea how to check for bad power.
I figure it's a failed component of some kind, but I have no idea what.
Bad power was one of the things suggested when I asked about this originally.
Let me see if I can find the question.
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Q: What would cause this complete system freeze?

bluejeansummerSo I recently build a gaming computer using high quality components. It's running great, except for one small problem: it completely freezes on a completely sporadic basis. Sometimes it will run all night without a problem, other times it freezes within minutes. It usually happens while I'm in a ...

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A UPS and/or voltage regulator should help with power
but they can be rather pricey
Well, I just dropped $600 on a CPU that seems to be making the problem worse, so it can't be that bad.
(by worse, I mean Windows won't even boot, even though the CPU was the same model as the one I replaced)
Still getting the undocumented error code on my motherboard when it freezes.
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So, I assume it does not work with the bare minimum (MB + CPU + RAM + keyboard + OS)?
Has to have the GPU in, as my mobo has no VGA port.
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what kind of error code is this?
a beep sequence?
06:39
On my motherboard is a 2-digit hex code readout.
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ah.
It says "73" currently, and that code is not documented in the manual.
I posted a link to it the other day. I'll repost.
Page 75, I think.
Jumps from 6F to E4.
I think I'm going to just swap the old CPU back in, look up Amazon's return policy on this, and then go cry myself to sleep.
The new CPU was really supposed to fix this.
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0x70 – 0x7F Output devices: All output consoles.
Though, apparently that is only changed during POST
so it may be the normal last POST code
(unless it only changes on freeze)
Well, I'm not usually watching it until after it freezes, but I think it's usually 00.
I'll watch it as I reboot.
I guess the upside here is that the steps to reproduce the problem are really short.
It was sitting at 65 during grub, and switched to 73 right as it handed of control to Windows (a couple of seconds before the freeze)
This chromebook doesn't want to load the PDF. Error 601 (net::ERR_FTP_FAILED): Unknown error.
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O.O
hey
does it work if you just enter BIOS setup?
or does that freeze too?
06:53
It usually works, but I haven't tried it since installing the new CPU.
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note quite the same symptoms, but it does indicate that even a keyboard could be causing this issue: communities.intel.com/thread/19777
(though I would suspect any USB device could; I've had a USB HDD with a faulty cable that shorted and killed a USB controller while freezing the computer)
Ok, BIOS loads.
Hmm, interesting.
I think the keyboard is the most complicated piece I haven't replaced yet.
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lol
Razer BlackWidow, bought it not long after I got the pieces for the machine itself.
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@bluejeansummer try sitting there for a while, and see if you experience something similar?
06:56
Ok. It has the system clock ticking away, so I'll let it sit.
Since I doubt you went through and read the context conversation from the other day, there are certain things I can do that usually trigger the freeze (doesn't seem entirely deterministic):
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if everything works in the BIOS, but it breaks in both Linux and Windows.. BIOS (UEFI?) update?
Hmm, I'll see if one's availiable.
I still don't see why Windows won't boot anymore, though.
Ok, looks like there are several published after the version currently installed.
How would I go about flashing it, considering I can no longer boot Windows and use their easy-updater?
Also, the computer hasn't frozen in the BIOS yet.
As I was saying about the triggers:
Opening up the main backpack menu in Borderlands 2 will do it occasionally, as will playing Flash videos or running the Guild Wars II downloader.
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@bluejeansummer UEFI firmware can often flash from a file on a USB device
The last was the most consistent, but it got corrupted because of a freeze in a self update.
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@bluejeansummer sounds like GPU
or possibly RAM
07:04
You'd think, but I tried replacing it (an Nvidia card) with an older ATI card, and that works fine.
I've cycled through each stick individually, and memtest86+ comes up clean.
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You mean the older card does not freeze?
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No, it freezes either way.
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@bluejeansummer Did you run the test overnight?
Why would I have replaced the CPU if the older card worked.
memtest?
I'm pretty sure I ran it to completion when I had all the ram in. Took a while, but I don't remember if it was overnight.
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@bluejeansummer Use the DOS based flasher?
> Iflash BIOS Update / Integrator Toolkit BIOS Files [SIX7910J.86A.0553.BI.ZIP] - A DOS-based utility to update the BIOS regardless of operating system. It requires a CD or a USB flash device. This download also provides the necessary files for Intel® Integrator Toolkit. Support and FAQs for Intel® Integrator Toolkit are available here.
@bluejeansummer There is no such thing as 'to completion'
07:06
Yeah, it looped back around and ran the test again, IIRC.
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IIRC it has 8 different tests per pass
but some errors are only apparent after multiple passes
Either way, I've run the system with only one stick in, and I've swapped each one in at a time. Still happened.
Either they're all bad, or it's not the culprit.
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Could be the MB/slot/memory controller
I doubt it, because replacing the MB would've fixed that, right?
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though I guess you've replaced all three
07:08
I haven't run memtest86 all the way through since I replaced the MB, though.
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@bluejeansummer the controller is normally part of the CPU nowadays (at least with Intel)
Ah, ok. Thought it was a MB function.
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@bluejeansummer I would recommend at least 5 passes, though sometimes it took me 10 for something to come up (back when I had memory issues)
@bluejeansummer used to be. relatively recent change
Ok, I'll take all but one of the ram sticks back out and re-run memtest overnight.
10 passes x 32 GB is a really long time.
8 GB is a bit more bearable, and should produce the same results.
Come to think of it, I stuck the 3 other sticks back in when I replaced the CPU.
They weren't there yesterday.
I'm going to take them back out and see if it boots.
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@bluejeansummer Ouch. Yea, that would probably take about 48 hours
07:13
Nope, still freezes with one stick in.
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try reseating the CPU?
just in case
Ok, will do.
Do I need to reapply paste if I'm reseating it so soon?
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take a close look for any bent pins
I have no idea about the paste, sorry
07:47
Ok, reseating done, rebooting.
...and it froze. :(
I didn't see any bent pins.
Noticed a few semi-regular patterns that I couldn't identify (didn't look like normal pins), but I think it's fine.
I'm on the phone with my brother in law who I've also been keeping in the loop about this whole thing, and he pointed out that it can't be a bad power issue.
I took the computer to PAX in Seattle this fall, and that was where it was acting up the most. The other 400+ computers were fine.
08:09
At the behest of my brother in law, I've tried booting without a keyboard and with all of the front panel things unplugged, but the same result.
I'll flash that BIOS update at work tomorrow and try that tomorrow night.
Until then, I'm off to cry myself to sleep in frustration with this thing :|
Goodnight, Bob.
@bluejeansummer g'night
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@bluejeansummer good luck! and good night.
08:41
3rd day on Super User, 221 rep
guess we have a new Super User addict :P
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@Sathya We should probably warn him (her?) before it's too late :P
09:11
@Bob :P
10:06
Anybody here?
I have a question about Wikipedia
Is there a way to get an email each time when some change in the article has been made?
ehhmmm, you could use a plugin for google chrome
and it will work right?
Can I keep checking more than 1 article like that? Let's say 10 of them?
yep
I do it this way
Why do you do it, BTW?
;o)))))))))))))))
for job interviews... not for wikipedia especially
 
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@EinsteinsGrandson I've never used it, but there's a watchlist built into Wikipedia.
12:02
Helleau! (: explodes
(new gravatar!)
@allquixotic A turtle with a… cylinder?
@slhck I assumed it's a button
When you push it, it pops out the legs...
lol
good one
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12:23
@allquixotic Hello, mine turtle!
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12:54
Installing Win7 in a VM: Install, update, restart, update, restart, update, restart, update, restart, update, restart
And there are still two more recommended and three optional updates left -_-
13:05
Welcome to Windows :)
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@JohannesM Catching up on two and a half years of updates :P
@Bob Hallo! (:
@Bob VMware?
@slhck look up "mine turtle" on youtube
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@allquixotic Yea.
I'm liking Unity :)
(VMWare Unity, not Ubuntu)
@Bob Figured you meant VMware... and yeah, Workstation 9 works extremely well overall
I first bought into VMware Workstation at version 7 with their first-generation guest 3d acceleration (driven by the host GPU). It was.... okay, but slow. Version 8 was a huge improvement. Version 9 is just awesome.
They make you pay for each major version upgrade, but they're infrequent, and the upgrade is way cheaper than buying a full license
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...I first tried it with Workstation... 6 I think
either 6 or 4
Oh, probably 4 if 6 was the '07 release
tried it for a bit, got Win98 working with an XP host
then gave up cause it was so slow
13:20
It's priced... interestingly, I think. Most people in developed countries making a living wage can "barely" afford a license if they plan around the purchase. It's cheaper than, say, Photoshop or Office, but more expensive than a casual game or so.
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Depends which edition of Office
They certainly don't leave any money on the table, but it's not like you have to starve for a month to buy it...
Their server product prices are, predictably, ridiculous... but that's because they sell to businesses mainly, while workstation tries to target BOTH businesses AND individuals
A customer just called and asked for improving the speed of his backups to an external storage.
@JohannesM You gonna get right on that? :)
I've asked what he is using for an storage... he said iomega ZIP :D
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13:22
@allquixotic And then there's Player
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so old
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I'm currently using the Workstation trial
next question of me: what OS? His answer: Windows 95
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I might switch to Player when it expires
13:22
@JohannesM omg... teach this person that computer technology changes more often than once every 20 years, unlike cars or houses
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@allquixotic Pretty standard for businesses
some people just don't realize how fast technology evolves and how far behind you are if you stay with the same old stuff for, oh, I don't know, 10 - 15 years
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Though at least we're on a Server OS :P
I've told him. He said it works, so it doesnt matter.
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@JohannesM he doesn't care*
or it doesn't matter*
:P
13:23
if he says it works and he doesn't care, then tell him that his backup works and you don't care about the speed
otherwise tell him to upgrade to at least Vista on Sandy Bridge hardware, if not Win8 on Ivy, with USB 3.0 storage
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There's not much room for upgrade if you want to stick with Win95 and ZIP
It's not an know customer, just a person who looked in the telephone book and picked our telephone number.
huh..... weird
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Wasn't there a bug for Win95? That it literally could not run for over 49 days or so, cause some timer ticks over?
@Bob yeah but there's a hotfix
technically if you apply the fix and you boot up Win95 and just leave it at the desktop, it'll actually run for quite a long time.... it starts to fail if you want to launch actual programs
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13:25
@allquixotic You sure it doesn't crash and burn regardless? :P
@Bob nah, a lot of public libraries with literally NO budget still run it
i was in one as recently as, oh, 2010, and they had win95 with netscape navigator and about 12 computers on a shared ADSL line
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@allquixotic Pull an old computer out of a bin like @JourneymanGeek? :P
Considering 95 recommended a 486, it would be difficult to find worse
they'd probably be much better off running Linux if they had someone who knew how to lock it down
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@allquixotic I'm not entirely sure a modern Linux distro will run on a 486
the modern kiosk is a VM that you can't get out of, which restores to a known good snapshot after the user logs off or a period of inactivity
you can actually use vmware that way
13:29
Well, now it getting my interests what he was working on Windows 95 that can't run on any other system
@JohannesM I doubt he was running any software for which there truly is no equivalent on a more modern OS; more likely, he just refused to acknowledge that technology has progressed so far
same mentality as the guy driving a '54 chevy truck in 2013
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@JohannesM Heh. Even the weakest computer available new could probably run Win95 in a VM faster than their current configuration...
@Bob hell even my smartphone could
with software binary translation between ARM and x86
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Run it in qemu on a Pi! :P
@Bob blazing fast... compared to that guy's PC
I almost thought you wrote "Run it in qemu on a Phi" and I was like, whoa, wait, that'd actually be pretty fast
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13:32
xD
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Not really; there's no way you'd get Win95 to recognise more than one core/processor.
oh wow
hm, true... but I bet one core on a Phi is faster than his box :P
yeah, Bochs, I know of it... it's probably software emulation though
Okay ive called him
Bochs is apparently extremely cross-platform: it can interchange almost any host processor and any guest OS's architecture
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13:34
Actually, I wonder if there's a version of DOS that has multiprocessor support hacked in somewhere
he said he needs windows 95 for dbase...
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@JohannesM WTF
"dbase"?
dbase... that is what he said.
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A database (server?!) running on 95?!
13:35
this dbase?
im impressed a little bit
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How often does he need to restart the damn thing?
I hope every day-
I wonder if he's aware that Visual FoxPro runs on modern OSes and implements much backwards compatibility with dbase stuff
His one-man-company is running on dbase
oh gosh, I hope the backups working.
13:37
Visual FoxPro 9.0 (released in 2007) should run on, at least, 32-bit versions of Vista and 7
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lol
It is so difficult to teach old people new stuff
not all - but some people just become set in their ways
and apparently looking in the phone book and calling up a random technology-related company for help with your Iomega ZIP drive is the way to get help
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Probably doesn't have internet access.
At least, I hope not.
Otherwise, that computer might be absolutely flooded with malware...
Windows 95 with Internet.... oh oh
13:40
maybe when all the kids are getting help by beaming their consciousness into the virtual reality net, I'll be curmudgeony and set in my ways by getting help on the forgotten "Web" by going to SuperUser
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@allquixotic I'll meet you there! :P
"You're still running Windows 9? You don't have a quantum computer?!?! You're still using USB?!?!!?!?!? .... Just die, already!" some 20-something will say to me when I'm 70
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hm
windows 7 + VMWare Unity = finally got my tuner working :D
o rly
is it working well?
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yea
13:45
i should get some kind of commission from vmware for selling you it :< (if you decide to buy it that is)
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signal's not perfect, but I need to get a proper antenna
Or just run a long wire. that actually seems to work :S
gah, i always get drawn into questions.... and i feel obligated to defend them and help answer them :/ that's why my original gravatar was the barbie shopping pic from the blog
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Q: Office jukebox software

vbenceI'm looking for a media player (preferably linux-based) with client-server architecture, where multiple clients can add files to the a queue. These files are hosted on the client machines, so dropping a file into the queue should cause some background uploading to the server. A voting system wou...

lot of random downvotes today also; this is not NARQ... the question may be complicated but that doesn't make it NARQ... he just provides a lot of information... sigh PEOPLE
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Q: Why is D-Link DIR-825 not accepting a MAC address?

SammyI am trying to reserve an IP address for my desktop PC in a DIR-825 and when I type in all the details and press the Save button it tells me that the MAC address is invalid. My MAC address looks something like 1C:BD:B9:xx:xx:xx. I can add and save other MAC addresses from my other networked ...

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14:03
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it's still 35 degrees
@Bob is that hot?
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@allquixotic Celsius.
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About 95 Fahrenheit. For 1 am, yes, that is hot.
it's 28 Fahrenheit here, so, a negative temp in celsius :P
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14:04
i had to scrape ice
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So much for the max :P
It hit 42 degrees C today... random one day heatwave
(that's about 107 degrees F)
wow....
you're in Aussie, right?
ah nevermind i see the image
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xD
i always used to "celebrate" Australia Day with a friend of mine from Aussie
Adelaide (sp)
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14:06
The rest of Australia had this heatwave a couple days ago (I think it might be continuing?)
Sydney was safe until today :\
we'd have a skype convo and get drunk and she'd send me pics of her dressed in a garment that was basically the Australia flag mapped onto pajama top and bottoms
funny stuff.
hey, Aussie Day is January 26... coming up!
i always laugh because she's like woooo summer so hottt and I'm sitting here freezing my *** off (possibly even snow on the ground)
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They added two new colours :P
i guess "White Christmas" (snow on Christmas day) never happens there XD
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14:09
@allquixotic I don't think I've ever seen snow where I live
But some parts of Sydney did a couple of years ago
our region is temperate / sub-tropical. it's usually somewhat dry and cold (few degrees below freezing) in winter, and dry and hot (around 101 F) in summer.... in the spring and fall the temps are mild but we get loads of rain... so yeah we get four very diverse seasons
we get hurricanes, but not as bad as Florida... we get tornadoes but not as bad as the midwest... we're spared the extremes of weather for the most part except for hurricanes
unlike some parts of the world, we have to keep both warm weather and cold weather clothes... heavy coat and swimming trunks ;P
haven't needed snow tires though
14:40
@Bob For a moment I though we now have weather oneboxing in chat :P
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@OliverSalzburg That would actually be pretty neat. Even better if it could be customised (GeoIP/profile location?).
Huh. Hardware acceleration for this video player is disabled by default.
I could've used VBox all this time -_-
@Bob but you can use hardware accel in VMware and offload some CPU activity :)
and it's less likely to crash than Vbox
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Funnily enough, VMware has managed to completely lock up the computer twice :P
VBox only crashed the VM
omg, seriously?!
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yep
14:54
that's a new one for me O_O
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Win8 host can't be helping
i run vmware on a win8 host all the time with guest 3d accel
you also use a radeon, right?
we have similar hardware... wtf could be causing that O_O
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@allquixotic On this laptop, yes.
7670M switchable
I think it's on the Intel HD 4000 right now
the only instability i've had with vmware is when running it on a Linux host with open source graphics drivers
on a windows host it's always been a dream
new as well as older versions
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I think the laptop might have tried to sleep when I went away for a bit
Though that normally works fine with VBox, and I've seen it work successfully twice with VMware so far.
14:59
would you be able to try running vmware on the radeon? or maybe the entire system on the radeon?
i'm unable to point the finger of blame without hard evidence, but Intel's graphics drivers really stink, man... they make AMD Catalyst look good, and that's saying a lot
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