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17:04
italian herb and cheese bread... do crave
you should get a silver badge called "Whoa!" if you offer a +500 bounty :P
17:21
@HaydnWVN @HackToHell Awww, not worth it. You have to buy something to get the free thing...
@allquixotic Or "Moneybags"/"Deep-pockets" or such :)
hometime anyways, cya
@r.tanner.f thanks
Although I might do it anyway... my three year old freaking loves angry birds
@r.tanner.f yo taylor... yo, yo yo taylor
I'm so happy for youuuuu, but....
REBUILD IS THE BEST ANDROID GAME OF ALL TIME
OF ALL TIME!
17:41
@allquixotic ahhh, yeah that's a great game xD
Stupid question, a 1000W power supply and a 850 W power supply with a used power of say 500W~ should draw about the same amount of actual power, right? The 1000W and 850W models of a PSU are the same price and I'm wondering if there's any reason not to get the 1000W
Other than the fact I'll never actually use 1000W. Probably
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Q: Does a 500 watt power supply always use 500 watts of electricity?

JimDoes a 500 watt power supply always pull 500 watts? Or does it depend on the load being placed on the computer? It's a n00b hardware question. I'm trying to figure out how much it costs to run my compuer without buying a meter that actually measures power usage.

@BenBrocka it depends on the efficiency of the PSU more than anything
in general, PSUs get their best efficiency at about 60 - 80% utilization
Well, yeah I know it doesn't always draw full capacity
at very low or very high utilization it gets less efficient and draws more watts per actual watts delivered to the system
but some PSUs are more efficient than others even at the same power rating
17:45
Efficiency ratings are the same, 80 plus gold on both. Same series, so presumably pretty darn close
500/850 is still only 58% so it's the difference between 50% utilization and 58% utilization
you might be able to find some efficiency vs utilization graphs depending on the manufacturer -- I know Corsair used to distribute those graphs
the graph looks kind of like an upside-down U where the higher value means higher efficiency
bad efficiency at the extrema and good efficiency for middling utilization
that's not for your PSU but if your quality is the same (80-plus should mean the graph should be mostly the same) then you can expect similar results
Arg, finding plenty of charts but not for my PSU
efficiency drops off by a barely significant factor above, say, 60% utilization (but the only real efficiency pain is when you hit 90-100% utilization) and also very bad below 20% but all PSUs are gonna be like that
@allquixotic thanks
the thing is...
17:52
Looks like some have very little dropoff after the 60% range though
a 1000W PSU operating at lower efficiency is going to draw more energy than a smaller PSU operating at the same efficiency, BUT if you have the load closer to 50% on the higher wattage PSU (which you will), it will actually be more efficient
given your expected load of 500W it might be reasonable to go with the 850 because the efficiency when idle (10 - 20% utilization) will eat up a lot of unnecessary energy on the 1000W
especially if you have a recent system with very advanced power saving features
Only at max load though...is there a way to pull my actual, not estimated wattage?
@allquixotic That's what I'm thinking too
you can use a meter that you plug into the wall and plug your computer into it... other than that, no, but there are OS-level estimates of usage
however, if you have an Ivy Bridge or Sandy Bridge system, I can guarantee your idle usage will be around 30 - 50W plus about 30W per discrete graphics card
idle = sitting at desktop with no programs running and no disk I/O
And unless I go over 2 very high power cards I can't imagine needing >850 at full load
@allquixotic Not ivy bridge but I still doubt it'd be over 100
the only time you'd need more than 850 is if you have TONS of USB peripherals plugged into an unpowered USB hub plugged into the motherboard, plus tons of disks, plus FurMark running one or more extreme high-end GPUs
thing is, 100W is closer to the happy efficiency levels on a 850W than it is on the 1000W, because 100 / 850 is a higher utilization than 100 / 1000
so you won't get that REALLY "sad" efficiency at the extreme low end of the spectrum that you'd see on a way overspecced PSU
at least if the Corsair graph is similar to the PSU you're buying
17:57
Yeah, that makes sense
Rosewill doesn't seem to offer them (probably because they're a rebrander)
20 - 50% utilization is the best place to be, but the greater your usage range, the harder it is to find a PSU that's optimal for all your use cases
basically if you have lots of discrete GPUs, or large GPUs, or GPUs that take a ridiculous amount of energy when under load and a tiny amount when idle, or a ton of disks or USB devices, then your usage metrics are going to have a wider min/max range
the wider your min/max range of wattage draw, the harder it is to find a good PSU that will be happy with your usage at all times
I have a 1200W at home because I don't want my system lacking sufficient power when under max load, and it can actually use a good bit of that, but I get owned by that "unhappy" efficiency on the extreme low-end (idle) because my Ivy Bridge undervolts everything and only draws like 20W when idle
so I waste a lot of energy when idle to prevent the situation of not having enough power when needed
but it doesn't sound like your setup is physically capable of drawing 850W unless you water cool your GPU, overclock and overvolt it by a lot, and run Furmark
I only have one graphics card at the moment, so yeah, pretty impossible to hit 850W. I'm considering a second card but don't have one yet, I'd just like the option and this PSU is on sale
But I've also been spending a lot recently and the cost-benefit doesn't look great on a second card right now
depending on what your second GPU is... you should be fine... although you really shouldn't overclock
overclocking makes the power draw skyrocket, and the performance per watt ratio goes waaaaaaaaaaay down
Off to lunch for now, thanks for the help
18:02
Well one card is doing fine right now; it all depends on how well eyefinity runs and if I actually like eyefinity. Got my displayport adapter but didn't have time to test it yesterday
okay, but are your dual cards going to be, like, HD7990? or something a bit tamer?
18:15
4
Q: Hyper-V Manager: right-clicking on remote VM crashes MMC snap-in

Greg BrayI have a Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise SP1 machine that I log into and use to manage virtual machines running on multiple Hyper-V servers on our domain. Sometimes, when I right-click on a remote VM, the Hyper-V Manager will crash and display the following error message: If I use the Action...

Courtesy of the Comms Room. Pretty epic troll by Microsoft.
The accepted answer is where the gold is.
18:42
I don't see what's gold about this, it's a quite clean stack trace which just pinpoints the issue.
Crashes in the window creation procedure of the Enhanced List View, yawn...
Hint: It's just something that doesn't like negative values.
Who knows they even cast to an unsigned int. :D
19:04
@allquixotic 6950; 550W is the about the most a dual setup should draw, I saw some benchmarks specifically for them
And a rather greedy 135W processor, still well within 850 though. And it'd be at idle more often than anything close to max load
The HDDs and USB draws are negligable
19:22
Scary
My ISP put that in a newsletter
Does your ISP also run a dental clinic ?
@Hennes That face is either too symmetric or too little symmetric
I can't decide
looks shopped... it triggers the uncanny valley a bit for me
looks like the face has been flipped, but the hair left as it was ...
19:32
@GrahamWager :D
Eye colour is not simetrical though.
just take a picture of a PYT with decent makeup and a professional camera and shop out the background... it annoys me so much how we shop the face itself... totally unnecessary
understated beauty is better than unnaturally overaccentuated features anyway
@OliverSalzburg because you'd have to be about 300,000 years old to explore every corner of the internet
Chrome has a webstore? Why do they need that?
19:37
@allquixotic I assumed an official Google extension that adds a few key features to Chrome would be widely known :\
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Q: How can I get google chrome to switch tabs using the mouse wheel?

user636685At home I'm running Fedora 17, and I've grown accustomed to quickly scanning through open tabs by using the mouse wheel while hovering over the tab bar. It's a very natural gesture for me now. At least once a week at work (usually Mondays), I attempt to use the same technique on chrome running o...

That brought it up btw
@OliverSalzburg Ooooh that's nice.
I like the faces in that image much more \o/
they aren't creepy-shopped
@DanielBeck I already use Lazarus, but I like it as well :D
@allquixotic You get the Hetzner newsletter?
Sweet as well
@OliverSalzburg yep... I'm a customer
you don't work for them, do you?!
@allquixotic Me too :D
19:41
@OliverSalzburg :D
I need to get off my lazy arse and upgrade to a cheaper, newer server, I'm running an aging EQ10
pretty sure it's going to be with Hetzner but I can buy a "low-end" Hetzner server now and it'll satisfy my requirements that previously could only be satisfied by a "high-end" server
because my requirements have been fixed while component capabilities have grown
it's eating a hole in my pocket and it doesn't have to
Yet another browser screenshot extension, but hey :D
@allquixotic Same here I think. I actually downgraded a while ago
Their virtual servers are shit though
I used to have a physical box, that was well
yeah the virtual servers are bad, but a lower end physical box should be good as long as you don't use software RAID
2 port hardware RAID controller with RAID-1 should do
Sweet! Now I'll be able to view all those downscaled images with ease :D
19:49
They fired the Windows 8 UI dude. Big surprise.
lol, seriously?
hopefully he was the one who designed Mail, and also made it frustratingly difficult to get "back to the desktop"
The nervous dude from the launch :D
"Analysts speculated that the reasons for the split could include dissatisfaction with early Windows 8 sales and customer feedback, as well as Sinofsky's reportedly difficult personality."
19:50
That presentation was so painful to watch...
Didn't Apple just fire another "difficult personality"?
@OliverSalzburg the original Win8 launch event with the woman and the guy showing off various small form factor tablets and netbooks?
@OliverSalzburg Link?
@allquixotic I think it was the slate event... let me look it up
Sinofsky has been a Microsoftie for a long time...
19:53
That's the key moment of course where he completely lost it
Here's the full thing youtube.com/…
I had to skip ahead after a while it was so painful to watch
I even wanted Ballmer back
@OliverSalzburg Not "incredible, amazing, the first, best, fastest, most beautiful we have ever made" enough.
"I can browse smoothly us -- see -- great pages using ClearType, and have a great experience with -- with -- browsing." as he tries to get the stupid bar along the top to come down
He's too fast, too hectic. No wonder that part fails.
honestly I think he probably had dud hardware since he quickly grabbed another surface
@allquixotic The way he tried to play it over just makes it so much worse :D
19:58
i know, lol
They also had a previous keynote at next IIRC where he was already presenting, several months before the surface demo
That was also very weird
But he wasn't so hyper
at least Ballmer is pretty frank when something goes awry... and it's hilarious how no matter how much money these companies spend on contingencies for their presentations something ALWAYS goes wrong
He's just always a little too impressed with their own work, for my taste
Today I tried both the iPad mini and the Nexus 7 and I honestly liked the Nexus better, something I'd have never thought of.
Well, he probably likes the design. :)
20:00
I'm no fan of Ballmer but he's a better orator, especially in recent years... he's slowed down... he talks like a politician, very cool and deliberate
And I get why people get nervous on stage. Even after reharsals
@allquixotic Totally agree
@Hennes True… there's maybe two in a hundred people who are really comfortable with speaking publicly and do a good job at it.
@slhck As Jerry Seinfeld said: "Public speaking is the world's #1 fear. Death is #2."
(bonus points if they all hold hands and each is of a different race.)
20:10
anybody else just get an email from stackexchange about the win8 contest?
yerp, that's why chat burped
site was flooding the pipes with emails
Think that was all the winners or just the shirts?
I would also like to know :-)
Just got an email, fingers crossed just the shirts! lol
20:21
Holy cow
Still remember this one? :D
Contest participants: The mail that was sent out right now is just for shirt winners. Winners for other levels will get a separate mail.
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92
Q: All servers flooded by salt water, is it possible to recover data from multi-platter drives?

michaelAll of my servers are currently flooded by salt water. Is it possible for each platter in a multi-platter drive to be separated, cleaned, imaged, and merged into a new virtual drive for data recovery?

@OliverSalzburg I so knew that was gonna be viral
It's just hilarious :D
@slhck Thanks
20:23
@slhck: cool, thanks
If I got an email for the level 1 prize, does that mean I didn't win level 2, 3, or a tile prize?
This one was a good one for going viral: serverfault.com/questions/403732/…
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Q: Anyone else experiencing high rates of Linux server crashes during a leap second day?

Bron Gondwana*NOTE: if your server still has issues due to confused kernels, and you can't reboot - the simplest solution proposed with gnu date installed on your system is: date -s now. This will reset the kernel's internal "time_was_set" variable and fix the CPU hogging futex loops in java and other usersp...

5 mins ago, by slhck
@GeorgeDuckett @Mikhail @r.tanner.f AFAIK it's just the mail for the shirts.
any clues as to shirt sizes?
i usually go medium for these sorts of things!
@GeorgeDuckett I hate trying to figure out clothing sizing... Right now I'm in between an L and XL, and it's like... I have to make a life decision right now, am I going to finally lose weight and go back down to L, or should I stop kidding me self and get the XL?
20:29
@r.tanner.f: lol. Get the L, give yourself motivation!
Why not simply use the XL shirt as a sail to add a needed speed boost when you want to avoid getting a speeding ticket?
@Mikhail: lol
Are they all in guys sizes :-)
I wanted to send my sister one...
oh well
damn sexist scum bags. Although nobody will get offended :-)
i won level 3 \o/
congrats to anyone else!
@GeorgeDuckett Was it a separate email? =D
20:36
yeah, seperate email
@Mikhail I wouldn't call them sexist scum bags. It's a site/contest for computer geeks, this is pure economics. If you'd like a girlie shirt and they're not printed yet, you could simply ask them.
@slhck I don't actually consider them sexist scumbags :-)
@Mikhail I didn't really think you'd do ;)
I won level 3. Amazon doesn't ship to my country :(
So, let's make that semi-official:
Congrats to all the winners! Thanks for participating and thanks for playing fair.
20:40
@RakibAnsary you should ship to me
@RakibAnsary Where to? Maybe we could arrange something for you, or with neighboring countries.
@slhck Bangladesh
BTW, congratulations to all the winners :)
@RakibAnsary I'd reply to SE and tell them what the issue is. This might come up with more winners, so they need to address this anyway.
Awww I think I got nothin' but a shirt :( lol oh well
@slhck Thanks. The contest rules does say "if you live outside the USA and we are unable ship your prize to you, you may be asked to purchase your prize and submit your receipt to Stack Exchange to be reimbursed"
20:44
@RakibAnsary Ah, I see! Seems like the way to go then.
However, I'd prefer something from Superuser. You know, with StackExchange logo or something in the packaging :D
@RakibAnsary Haha… well, you'd probably get the t-shirt though, right? I'm sure they'll send some stickers.
Oh @Mikhail, thanks for the bounty!
I got an email that I won a t-shirt. :P
@slhck I just hope Amazon's not shipping to my country doesn't influence SE's decision.
@RakibAnsary No, shipping shirts won't be too hard. I had troubles myself with an older contest since they bought an Amazon voucher in the US which I couldn't use in Germany, but I still got the shirts :)
20:50
I won a Tile!!
feels gr8
@slhck I guess so. erm...so what happened to the Amazon voucher's in the end?
@AbhishekGirish congratulations :)
thanks @RakibAnsary :)
@AbhishekGirish:Contrats!
@AbhishekGirish:*congrats
Thanks @GeorgeDuckett
@RakibAnsary I guess in the end they actually managed to buy one from the German store! But it took quite a long time :P But if Amazon is not shipping, that's a different issue of course
20:53
:( level 1
i guess ill wait until windows 9 then
What if we got level 1, but our indicator showed a higher level like 3?
Oh, also, I wrote a review of my tablet/ultrabook on Amazon. I know someone on here was saying their boss wanted to make a purchase of new Sony laptop and whatnot.
@Mikhail then that means you didn't win level 2 or level 3
holy crap thank you for mentioning that!
I wonder how that was determined?
Grr, chat refuses to work on my work computer!
20:55
@allquixotic you should ask SU for help
I can't type fast enough on my phone for it to really be practical
@Mikhail it was working fine a few minutes ago but suddenly I started getting connection timeouts... Annoying
@Mikhail How what was determined? Whether you were eligible for a level?
See win8challenge.com contest rules
@slhck When I got my page I see it says level 3 and 92% towards level 4. I haven't gotten any emails about this. I also see my icon by level 3? So do I get something or not?
@Mikhail That means you were eligible for a prize in level 3, but…
> prizes will be won by lottery of the users completing that level. If a user does not win a prize for their level, they will be entered to win the prize in the level below
@OliverSalzburg I watched the entire Surface keynote, and from an entertainment perspective as well as from a "does this guy really make me want this device" perspective, everyone except Sinofsky did that perfectly
20:59
So for Lv3, 38 people were eligible, but only 6 prizes are given out.
Perfect marketing, truly inspiring except for St-st-st-Steve the sttutterrerrer
if someone won a Tile, they aren't eligible for the levels?
@AbhishekGirish Oh, I guess if you won a tile, you would also still be eligible for level prizes. But don't quote me on that.
@slhck Now I feel cheated. I get paid ~$30 an hour and I spent 7 hours total writing stuff. So this is was a terrible waste of my time.
oh well
@Mikhail lol it was a contest :P
21:01
I do hope there was a bit of sarcasm in that message
Heh, it's a for fun contest that was intended to get a good database of initial Windows 8 content early in its lifecycle. Prizes are just an incentive to get people in on it. :P
I'd say it was a success
Well, it sure was a lot of work for those moderating and reviewing (not only the mods) :P
:P
Who was it that was looking for Sony laptops for a work purchase, anyway? Anyone remember?
I have a feeling that @allquixotic might know...
Or @r.tanner.f ? :P
I got to level 2 and all I got was this crummy t-shirt ;)
@sidran32 I actually was a while ago, not sure if anybody else was
21:06
Any level 4 winners here?
@Paul Level 4 and all tiles :P Still just a shirt.
Well, all except blog :(
@r.tanner.f Ah, then it must have been you. Well, my review is up on Amazon, if you're still wondering my thoughts.
which is going to drive me insane forever.
@sidran32 Alrighty, thanks.
Also, Skyfall was a great movie. Sony also provided VAIO laptops for the computers in it. Disappointingly, my tablet/ultrabook wasn't featured, except briefly in a Sony advert before the movie started. :p
@r.tanner.f I linked it above.
So a couple of Windstream (windstreambusiness.com) techs are setting up one of our offices for internet. They found it utterly unbelievable that I would ask them if they brought a router. WTF?
21:08
@Paul: Do you think a bluetooth dongle could fit on the Rapsberry Pi when another USB cable is inserted?
Maybe it was some outsourced thing, but wow... That confused me. They were wondering why only one computer was able to get online too. -_-
@TomWijsman They are right on top of each other so if there was any overhang, I'd say no. But a short extension lead would solve that.
@sidran32 your review was nice but personally I'm holding out for the Surface Pro, as I'm sure Ballmer would want me to ;)
@Paul Hmm, I suppose I could try to clip of the casing. Or perhaps just compare it to the overhang an USB cable have, or look around a bit.
The only thing I learned form using Windows 8 is that I hate hate hate Microsoft. They could have had 2 UIs side by side, instead they want to treat me like some kind of easily distracted monkey. I used to compute, now all i do is move my mouse back and forth.
21:12
Thinking about using the wedge keyboard from the contest on the Raspberry Pi. (Won some tile, and the T-shirt ofc)
Ok, stupid question... When filling out this form, on the address should I put my name again? >_<
I have a wedge kbd already
No don't do that lol silly dog
@r.tanner.f That's the least important detail and can be ommited usually. It helps if you're living together with too much people and you somehow don't have your own mailing box.
@TomWijsman Really? I've had no-name mail refused before.
@allquixotic Sure, your prerogative :)
@r.tanner.f Your network thing reminded me of this: thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Wrong-Route.aspx
Bob
Bob
21:15
wee t-shirt
I wonder who got the higher level prizes
@r.tanner.f I think they automatically append your name, I don't remember typing it in the mailing address on my previous packages.
Bob
Bob
Hmm.. what do I put in the username field? o.O
@Bob Bob? :D
I didn't include my name. I figure that a person will be on the other end, my name is in the form already, so they can handle that if they need to.
@Bob Official blog post will probably go out tomorrow morning US time
Bob
Bob
21:16
@TomWijsman There's username, name and mailing address
bleh.
I was thinking account username, but I use OpenID, so.. :S
@sidran32 omg... one big daisy chain...
Username: Bob

Name: Bob The Awesome

Mailing Address: Bob Street, Postcode Bob City, [Bob Land](http://www.bobbejaanland.be/)
at least whoever they called to fix my problem was kind enough to set up NAT and DHCP for me, which was pretty damn cool of them.
URL syntax doesn't work in multi line comments?!
Bob
Bob
@TomWijsman ok, sure
21:19
@Bob The adress should be correct (doesn't need to mention name) and the username, for the name you can fill in what you want... :P
Bob
Bob
I'll blame you if I don't get it :D
you all should be getting your emails shortly if you haven't already. we'll have a blog post up tonight probably for everyone to see the full results
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Help, I'm a Linux user who is salivating over the Surface Pro! I crave that perfected hardware engineering! I crave... I crave... Aw man, I'll just use my boring old Nexus 7, I guess. :(
now i have to decide whether i want an SSD, GPU, or monitor...
@nhinkle Congratz on that! :)
21:25
@TomWijsman thanks! Congrats on... that thing you won. I forget what. I saw your name on the list though!
@nhinkle Wedge Keyboard, which appears to be Bluetooth, so am going to try to use it together with a Raspberry Pi.
I'd go for an extra monitor if I'd won that; GPU doesn't make sense on a laptop and I already have a SSD.
sweet!
Extra display space. <3
Recently got me a second monitor, still not used to it (I end up using it 1/4th of the time) after laptopping for years.
i have 3 monitors already though. 2 of which i got on craigslist for like $40 each
I had two old big CRT a long while ago.
21:28
i think on amazon if you hunt enough you can find monitor arms under "monitors"... so maybe i'll see if i can get away with that
Yeah, 3 is enough except you're pretty dependent on more display space for some hobby / work you do.
(Else I'd think it leads to distraction or unused display space)
But well, I figured you already have some SSDs from the blog, or am I thinking about the wrong person?
@allquixotic Yeah, I really don't get why they let him on stage :\
@Bob Ask @JourneymanGeek how he put a smile on the post man's face. :)
22:02
wooo! got my e-mails :)
:(
but yay for you :)
22:14
@r.tanner.f I know...
@nhinkle If I won that, I'd have gone for the highest capacity SSD I could find. :P
@TomWijsman The USB cable I have plugged into mine right now has a few mills of overhang, and a second one would just fit - anything bigger wouldn't. If you used a short extension cable (I have some that are only about 10cm long) you could also have some flexibility in where the bt dongle was mounted.
22:37
Oooh maybe I could get a USB 3.0 SSD
@nhinkle I can't decide either...and I've realised how much I hate Amazon unless I already know exactly what I want! >.<
@GrahamWager i know, right?
i want monitor arms, but they're surprisingly pricey. as in i don't think i can get 3 (good ones) for $200
ooooh
I'd be happy paying the extra above the $200 for a Surface :P
i don't even know how much shipping will be with amazon :/ I've got a prime trial running so everything is apparently free lol
@nhinkle all the emails were sent out?
@MatthewWong well I've had 3 so i guess so
22:42
That was crazy
The SSL cert on our SBS expired yesterday
So we wanted to renew it tomorrow. But my boss noticed an hour ago that pretty much no service any longer worked because everything is tunneled through HTTPS
But he had to get some work done tonight, so he wanted me to renew it. But I couldn't, because I could access the server... no RDP thru HTTPS :\
And the server is located in his new house, which is basically a construction site and he wasn't there
So he had to drive around for an hour to get there... and the cellar was locked :(
And he had given the key to one of the worker on the construction site who lives 35km away
And then I had the brilliant idea of setting my clock back...
And now my SE chat is messed up O__o
@OliverSalzburg You ought to have had the expiry dates in your calendar, with an alert a week in advance
You usually get an email a couple of weeks ahead
@paradroid My boss most likely got an email, but he has a lot of stuff on his mind right now because of renovating his new house :D
Or maybe he didn't :\
Yeah, I better save it in my calendar
@MatthewWong not sure if they're done yet or not. I'm not involved with the user-contacting
hmm this might be a possibility...
IPS++
22:59
@OliverSalzburg freerdp, enjoy. ;)
Long story short, it's the client that checks the certificate, take that part away and you can get on the server.
@TomWijsman The story is more about the drama than the solution :D
--ignore-certificate: ignore verification of logon certificate
Yup, gets around that message.
That's what I got when I just ignored the certificate
23:02
There are different suggestions to do the same on Windows, none of which work.
@OliverSalzburg Got that exact same message, above option bypasses that.
@TomWijsman Well, I'm not gonna revoke the certificate now to test it :P
And I hope I won't get a chance soon on some other system...
23:20
Guess I don't win anything :( oh well, that's how raffles go.
@Matthew you get the shirt though at least!
(insert generic "all I got was this lousy t-shirt joke here") :P jk, a shirt is nice. Gotta rep those bastions of knowledge.
ivo wanted the shirts to actually say that
Bob
Bob
I want that on my shirt :P
23:36
me too xD
@nhinkle But... Doesn't make sense for those who win other things. :(
And defamatory to some users who don't get the joke, I suppose. :D
I want to win a NAS that says "All I got was this lousy NAS"

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