Root Access

Journeyman Geek

05:00

Should I be more shocked that people are cheating, or that I didn't realise you could do that? ;p

Bob

@nhinkle You make it sound like half the qualifying users o.O

@JourneymanGeek that one's fun.

nhinkle

@Bob it's a depressingly large amount.

Bob

Passwords stored in a recoverable format? facepalm

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: that one's one of SE's greatest hits ;p

nhinkle

goodnight @corwin01. better luck not getting caught next time ~~

Journeyman Geek

05:05

lol

Bob

o.O

HackToHell

o0

Sathya

fun fact: ran into captcha while mod messaging and suspending. Stack Exchange rate limits everyone, no holds barred

2

HackToHell

He was chatting here and then he got suspeded

Journeyman Geek

@Sathya: yes, keeps our mods from being replaced by robots

... wait, that wasn't a joke?

Sathya

05:08

@JourneymanGeek ha :P

Journeyman Geek

facepalms

ok

this is looking really bad

Bob

@JourneymanGeek first thing I did was check his profile. that was kinda scary, actually

completely unexpected o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I assume the best of people. Thats a weakness I guess ;p

HackToHell

Journeyman Geek

hmm

hornets?

Matthew Wong

05:11

@hack

dam forgot tab. you have a vps with ssd?

Journeyman Geek

lol

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek F-15

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: ahh

I think we have those ;p

HackToHell

44 mins ago, by HackToHell

Does anyone want a VPS with SSD ? http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/ramnode-15-60year-128mb-openvz-kvm-ssd-vps-in-atlanta/

Journeyman Geek

oh ya, hornets have V tails

HackToHell

05:12

@JourneymanGeek coooollll

Bob

Actually, now that I think about it there isn't much point in a VPS with a SSD

Journeyman Geek

well F15E varients

/me is a huge fanboy of the Tomcat tho

Bob

unless you're doing something that specifically requires fast (random?) access

Matthew Wong

welli thought he was giving it away :P

HackToHell

me ? lol

Journeyman Geek

05:13

ooh, the guy I flagged got suspended

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek I love the blackbird Lockheed sr71a

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: beautiful aircraft, striking looks, cool as hell...

but I'm sort of a fighter snob ;p

ronalchn

@Bob its seems to be very useful for seedboxes

Michael Hampton

Oh why must they use OpenVZ?

Bob

@ronalchn You'd want more disk space for that, though

HackToHell

05:15

I like F-15s and F-22s

@MichaelHampton Does that limit disk IO ?

Journeyman Geek

ooh

Bob

Disk speed isn't likely to be the limiting factor for seedboxes, especially if they're in RAID 10

Journeyman Geek

and the mig25

Matthew Wong

@bob 20gb would be enough for me

Bob

Oh, I was looking at the 3GB SSD one :P

ronalchn

05:16

is RAID 10 well-defined?

Journeyman Geek

(and the A10 for the same reason, both brutally singleminded designs)

Bob

the 20 GB is a SSD cache

Journeyman Geek

ya

HackToHell

mig25 is really cool

Bob

@ronalchn Well defined?

ronalchn

05:16

ie. how it is nested

HackToHell

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: I think its a pity they stopped building the raptors

Ironically thats what might make it legendary

Michael Hampton

@HackToHell serverfault.com/search?q=openvz+user%3A126632&submit=search

Journeyman Geek

like the avro arrow

Bob

@ronalchn ...apparently 10 refers to 1+0, and 0+1 is different

HackToHell

05:19

@JourneymanGeek :(

@MichaelHampton didn't know that

Michael Hampton

@HackToHell OpenVZ has a lot of disadvantages. I don't use it for anything anymore, and I won't use a VPS that uses it.

And I think between those posts I've written pretty much everything I have to say about OpenVZ :)

HackToHell

@MichaelHampton I am having a OpenVZ box, it's okayish as I do not run anything that strains IO.

►

AC 130 gunship is one of the most awesome support planes I have seen

Journeyman Geek

ooh

Matthew

Wow, 6 of the most recent 22 tier 3 users are suspended

was the cheating really that rampant?

Journeyman Geek

I love those

@Matthew: one of the other two is me ;p

HackToHell

05:22

I played COD MW just for that

Journeyman Geek

so.. we know at least one of the other two isn't suspended <^%&^%&%NOCARRIER>

Michael Hampton

@HackToHell Sure, if you aren't doing much with it, then it's usually OK. But since guests really aren't very isolated from each other, one misbehaving customer screws it up for everybody.

Matthew

@JourneymanGeek: Haha :) but I'm talking about tier 3, not tier 4 (39 total)

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: gunships are cool, I'm surprised the concept isn't that popular

ahh

Matthew

*38

Journeyman Geek

05:23

@Matthew: same users are probably suspended in tier 4

Matthew Wong

@JourneymanGeek what are we talking about? i missed out on some of the conversation

Journeyman Geek

@MatthewWong: aircrafts and suspensions

Matthew Wong

....i get notifications for @matthew too :P

Journeyman Geek

Read up, its been mentioned

... oops

FEATURE NOT BUG >_>

Matthew

@MatthewWong I should probably clarify my name...I guess I don't have anonymity anyway, with my picture attached to my account.

HackToHell

05:25

@MichaelHampton buyvm manages their nodes properly though I do remember my node going down after someone did something stupid

Journeyman Geek

@MatthewWong: I can't actually notify him without notifying you

Michael Hampton

@HackToHell Yeah, OpenVZ and LXC (and linux-vserver if anybody's even still using that crap) are vulnerable to that sort of thing.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: does anyone actually use a hosted VPS for anything serious?

Bob

Hm.. I have a choice between Webmin and zPanel for VPS management

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Lots of people do.

Bob

05:26

can anyone recommend one? :P

Journeyman Geek

I find that its a better alternative to shared hosting for personal and small community sites

Michael Hampton

@Bob I use no control panel. :)

Journeyman Geek

but I sorta wouldn't trust anything I did not run myself

@Bob: quite honestly, learn the proper way to do things ;p

Matthew Wong

@JourneymanGeek you were right those same 4 people were suspended in tier 4 too

Bob

@MichaelHampton eh, I don't trust myself not to nuke the VPS

Michael Hampton

05:27

Well, you know I came over here from Server Fault because I was bored. So I bring the professional sysadmin perspective.

Bob

it's a backup in case

@JourneymanGeek I do almost everything through SSH

Journeyman Geek

@MatthewWong: See, if you were going to be stupid enough to cheat, you go all the way

Bob

but can't reinstall the OS or start the VPS through there

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: thats the right way ;p

ahh

HackToHell

@Bob it's seriously hard, not nuking the vps.

Journeyman Geek

05:28

@HackToHell: its easy. KEEP YOUR GRUBBY HANDS OFF THE COTTONPICKING ROOT ACCOUNT

Bob

lol

Matthew Wong

@MichaelHampton i have 1 domain and 3 vps'es. is it possible to round robin the traffic between the 3 vps'es?

Bob

on that note, I should probably set up a separate user account -_-

Matthew Wong

@JourneymanGeek but i love being root :(

Journeyman Geek

@MatthewWong: bad monkey, no cookie

HackToHell

05:28

I am not root, it's hard not to mess up with iptables or ssh.

Michael Hampton

@MatthewWong Easy enough, simplest way is to have 3 A records in DNS, one for each VPS.

HackToHell

I do not touch iptables or ssh now that I got it setup properly

Bob

lol

Journeyman Geek

I like to have a seperate account per thing that can be ****ed up

root accounts are for when things are well and truely fubar

HackToHell

And I screwed up all my permissions askubuntu.com/questions/194710/…

Matthew Wong

05:30

i run my web server as root xD

Bob

@MatthewWong bad! bad!

Journeyman Geek

....

Bob

very very bad!

HackToHell

@MatthewWong That's really DUMB !

Matthew Wong

just kidding

Bob

05:31

just in case, what's the address? ;)

Matthew Wong

im stupid but not that stupid

check my profile

Paul

@MatthewWong I run my web server as root with the document root in root

Matthew Wong

onx.im

Bob

starts searching for exploits

Matthew Wong

@bob go ahead

ive tried dumping my tables but failing

Journeyman Geek

05:31

actually

Bob

I don't actually know anything :P

at all

Journeyman Geek

what does your site actually do? ;p

HackToHell

@Bob I am too doing that :P

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ooh link shortener

onx.im/xMLu2

:D

nhinkle

So, if we're lucky, you'll know the results by tomorrow night. Maybe. Ish.

Matthew Wong

05:33

@JourneymanGeek check the title

@nhinkle oh mi gosh

HackToHell

@Bob How do i shorten links ?

Bob

@nhinkle "ish" translated to "sometime in the next week or two or ten"

Michael Hampton

Oh, if only data.SE were live...

Bob

@HackToHell help

onx <url>

Matthew Wong

@bob wow you actually figured it out

Bob

05:33

not sure what vanity means

Matthew Wong

vanity means custom

nhinkle

@MichaelHampton api.stackexchange.com

Matthew Wong

maybe i should put custom there instead

Bob

@MatthewWong you need to add man :P

HackToHell

ooh nice

Michael Hampton

05:34

@nhinkle Yeah, I guess that makes a decent workaround.

Matthew Wong

ill do that when i have the chance

hell ill just do it right now

just editing one line of javascript

Michael Hampton

Watch out, I think DevOps is about to happen.

Matthew Wong

should it be "man onx" or just man?

Bob

@MichaelHampton just slightly painful when you need to pull multiple pages

at some point something (e.g. a question) goes missing because the list has shifted since you started (e.g. new question asked)

nhinkle

you can set the page length though, can't you?

Michael Hampton

05:36

Up to maybe 100, I think.

Bob

@MatthewWong considering help works with anything after it, why not do the same for man

yea, pagesize is capped at 100

@MatthewWong good job on the site :D

Matthew Wong

spent my whole summer working on it

it better get me some profit after using $200+ on it

Bob

:O that much?

HackToHell

whoa $200+ ?

nhinkle

spent $200 on what?

Matthew Wong

05:39

the site itself

HackToHell

SSL and hosting will not cost that much

Sathya

@Matthew when it comes to freebies, people will try anything

Michael Hampton

What a ripoff.

Matthew Wong

well there's designing, failures that led up to it, and probably other stuff i can't remember.

that's not the whole website just to tell you.

onx.im/upload.php

WIP

nhinkle

welp, it was a long night, time to go to bed

Matthew Wong

05:43

night

nhinkle

see you all soon! looking forward to everyone hearing their results ;)

Matthew Wong

i already know i won tier 1

nhinkle

@MatthewWong LOL

Bob

@nhinkle night, and thanks for all your hard work!

nhinkle

@Bob cheers

Matthew Wong

05:51

nothing happened while i was in the shower?

KronoS

Alright who around here has windows 8 installed?

Matthew Wong

moi

KronoS

@JourneymanGeek or @Sathya you around by chance?

Sathya

@KronoS yep (but no access to Win 8 - am at work)

KronoS

@Sathya you on a Win 8 Machine and free for a few mins?

sure edit AFTER I send my request

Sathya

05:53

:P

@KronoS sorry not now - at work

KronoS

Now everyone that looks back on the transcript will think I'm an idiot

Journeyman Geek

@KronoS: no access to windows 8 right now

my install blew up and I've been too busy to get it fixed

KronoS

@JourneymanGeek lame sauce... I need to check and see if someone can beta test my app

Matthew Wong

~ignored~

KronoS

and when I say beta... I really mean alpha

Journeyman Geek

06:02

@KronoS: ^ @MatthewWong might ;p

KronoS

@MatthewWong O.o?

Journeyman Geek

I can get it up sooner or later

@MatthewWong: he dosen't know you ;p

KronoS

@MatthewWong nor did I see the "moi" :P

Journeyman Geek

I'm like, here far too much, heck I own the channel cause of that

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Bob

@KronoS I can reboot into Win8 if you want :P

KronoS

06:03

Lol... I own Fake Programmers due to that as well :P

Journeyman Geek

@KronoS: here is more active

just happens that I generally have at least one computer on, and here, and one of the owners became inactive

KronoS

@MatthewWong @Bob you're both more than welcome to test this out... If I see you steal my code though... I'm going to hunt you down and the last image you see while living will be something like this: sstatic.net/stackapps/img/404-connery-zardoz.jpg

Journeyman Geek

@MatthewWong: feature suggestion - allow links that don't have a http in front. superuser.com works, superuser.com dosen't

@KronoS: MY EYES

HackToHell

@KronoS LOL

Matthew Wong

@JourneymanGeek yeah that was a problem. i wanted to make sure that invalid links didn't get approved.

Journeyman Geek

06:07

@MatthewWong: also, while the psudoterm is a cool interface lookswise...

KronoS

@HackToHell you scared I might come for you? :P

Journeyman Geek

It had me confused to what it was at first ;p

@KronoS: ZARDOZ!

Matthew Wong

@JourneymanGeek it's meant to be a hacker's version of my site. eventually that will be replaced with a user friendly version.

HackToHell

@KronoS naw, I have a F-22

Journeyman Geek

ahh

KronoS

06:08

@HackToHell LOL.

Matthew Wong

oh god im an idiot. i cut myself when shaving and now it won't stop bleeding.

HackToHell

That's why I use a machine

I never figured out how to shave properly

brb, need to eat sweets :)

Matthew Wong

@KronoS what does your app do?

KronoS

@MatthewWong You're not an idiot... you're just mortal. That's one of the benefits of being immortal... that kinda stuff doesn't really matter.

@MatthewWong apptivate.ms/apps/28/metrose

Matthew Wong

add chat support :)

KronoS

06:11

@MatthewWong not possible

api.stackexchange.com/docs

Journeyman Geek

@MatthewWong: there's no chat API

Matthew Wong

iframe?

Journeyman Geek

though a few people were trying to build a IRC bridge

@MatthewWong: use the google search app, switch to mobile mode, dock ;p

Matthew Wong

06:24

did everyone fal asleep already

Journeyman Geek

maybe

AbhishekGirish

06:40

anyone have a clue when the winners of Win 8 challenge would be announced?

Sathya

@KronoS LOL

@AbhishekGirish soon

KronoS

@AbhishekGirish soon

Bob

@AbhishekGirish soon

Sathya

(read another day or two)

Bob

(sorry, wanted to join)

Sathya

06:41

:P

AbhishekGirish

thanks!

Matthew Wong

@AbhishekGirish soon

aww too late

AbhishekGirish

haha

the post says soon and its been 2 days already

Matthew Wong

its been more than 2 days. nhinkle said it would be probably tomorrow the results would be announced if not then definitely sometime this week

KronoS

@MatthewWong It'll probably not be tomorrow

AbhishekGirish

06:44

@kronoS what makes u say that?

Matthew Wong

since he said it would be today :P

KronoS

Becuase I'm the one writing up the blog post and I won't be able to write it up until tomorrow night :P

Bob

lol

AbhishekGirish

oh wow! i din't know that! n

KronoS

There are other factors, but that's a big one :P

Journeyman Geek

06:47

@AbhishekGirish: SOOOON MWHAHAHAHAHA

Bob

lol

stop trying to shift blame! ;)

Journeyman Geek

I am NOT missing out on the fun cause I was doing an assignment darnit ;p

AbhishekGirish

haha. Its fun here. I've never come on chat previously

Journeyman Geek

chat is where most of the offbeat stuff happens ;p

AbhishekGirish

and now i know! :P

Journeyman Geek

06:50

(actually least for most of the sites, it seems worth hanging out in chat, just to get a feel of the ~~dark steamy underbelly of it~~ culture of the site as a whole)

AbhishekGirish

i probably din't catch that

now i get it (after the edit)

Journeyman Geek

oh, I just fixed hitting the enter before I hit the )

AbhishekGirish

:P

Journeyman Geek

you can check what happened when something was edited

Brains aside, I wonder how many poorly-written xkcd.com-parsing scripts will break on this title (or ;;"''{<<[' this mouseover text."

I had to fix it, lest people link... oh wait, too late

KronoS

chat.SU is typically the most friendly chat as well

at least in what I've experienced

AbhishekGirish

06:52

that was a good one @JourneymanGeek

KronoS

@JourneymanGeek i hate you... Now I'll never be able to go to sleep.

Journeyman Geek

@KronoS: I've not seen outside here and SF

)

@KronoS: there, fixed

HackToHell

(

KronoS

lol

HackToHell

noo

Kronos must finish the blog post before he can sleep ! :P

Journeyman Geek

06:53

lol

AbhishekGirish

lets ve a poll

:P

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: I think that will have to wait for the mess certain people caused fixed first ;p

KronoS

@HackToHell ya I'm not working on the blog right now

HackToHell

yea, blue diamonds have a lot of work to do.

@KronoS finish whenever you can, I am not pushing or maybe I am

Bob

ok, reporting in from Win8 (finally) (@KronoS)

KronoS

06:55

if @JourneymanGeek would hurry up and become a mod, we'd be a little less behind :P

Journeyman Geek

@KronoS: lol. Next election!

Just to keep people from complaining

KronoS

isn't that what you said last time?

Bob

xD

Journeyman Geek

@KronoS: don't think so

didn't even cross my mind to stand this time ;p

KronoS

@Bob ok lemme work out a few bugs first

Journeyman Geek

06:57

and I wasn't very active the one before, If I was around, I don't think I voted

you guys can @ bug the hell out of me come the next elections, I promise!

KronoS

actually, let's just see if this works first off... head over here:

Fake Programmers

The room for elite Super Users who realize they know nothing a...

Bob

So, we have one guaranteed new mod :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: lol. Assuming I get elected

Bob

anyone else planning to nominate?

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