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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
07:46
hmm.
Been struggling with a question I want to ask on the site - it feels super broad...
I'm currently slightly obsessed over wireless, (as you all know, I tend to dabble in various things). For some bizzare reason 802.11ax adaptors are rediculously cheap but the APs are fairly expensive. I get intel probably's building a ton of the former and they're easy to integrate, but wondering what actually makes an AP better.
I'd assume better antenna, but my DIY router has external ones and sucks compared to even my crappy ISP supplied dlink. We can rule out processor power...
Radios? I noticed in wikidevi a few routers have signal amplifiers?
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
08:00
Drat that died
 
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djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
09:11
hmmmmmm good question
i guess AP's have chipsets designed for recieving multiple inputs? maybe?
tho unlikely thinking about it
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ya, I looked it up. The 5ghz chipset on that specific model is the same as one you can get for a laptop
It feels broad
so I kinda tried to narrow it down to "Chipsets" "Antennae" and "amplifiers"
and 2 of 3 are things I can easily swap around without getting local telecom authorities involved
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
What is the functional difference between a wireless card and a wireless AP, concidering they use the same chipset?
I can think of a few things, might still be too broad tho
1. power
2. intergration to a router, or bridge to ethernet ports
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
well -ethernet is a whole different matter
but this is pretty much "crappy range"
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
I guess, if i saw your question, I'd ask "What are you trying to solve - what is the issue you face?"
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
and unless I got an AP with n removable antennae with the same connector, and a DIY unit with the same, antennae is hard to test
power is "obvious"
I'm trying to build a 802.11ax ap that dosen't cost 300 dollars and dosen't suck :D
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
09:20
hmmmm
is ax even standaised yet :O
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
I've built an 802.11N one that sucks
it has
just uncommon and wierd
the actual adaptors are cheap - ~10 dollars though I think I spent about 20usd for ones with PCIe brackets.
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
I know lots of the linux drivers, have power modification bits, but with various warnings about it being illegal in various provinces....
also a lot of the time, the modifications aren't accessible without directly editing the driver.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Oh, yeah, turning it up to 11. Not actually as efficient as you would expect
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
well yup, square inverse law
DAMN U UNIVERSE
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
And noise
ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/189347/…
I have a pair of these on order
going to do a bit of quick testing for speed using my old desktop and new desktop
(I need wifi for dumb reasons on my new desktop anyway....)
Also
it was so. damned. tempting to make
Why do DIY routers suck, and what is big networking hiding from me?
the title
actually my current setup is fine, other than that I need to reset all my mesh nodes and take them off the broken cloud management system at some point
they worked fine locally
At the moment, my planned apartment is tiny enough that I could probably get away with crappy wifi, especially since they supposedly have ethernet built in to all the rooms
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
09:32
@JourneymanGeek hmm
when i built my gentoo router, I could max out the b/g
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
oh, my ubuntu one is a beast.
2.0 is probably going to be even better ;)
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
I've not built anything newer.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
oh, software mainly
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
It wasn't hugely fast at switching, 80Mbit/s instead of 100 but meh
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ah, I have a quartet of gigabit ports
but never really tried it for switching, they just go to different network segments
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
09:34
but I get what you mean, ,it's like there's some magic switch that makes the chipset work 'better' than just putting it in AP mode
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
actually if I built another iteration 2 ports might be enough
for switching, there's actually fairly clear reasons, like hardware offload
and consumer routers NEED that cause their processors are kinda... garbage
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
yup
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
on the other hand
in theory I can bond connections
If I went for a mini ITX base over an industrial PC base, I could also, say go for 2.5 Gbit or 10Gbit links on the same software platform too
and of course long term support and guarenteed software updates in near perpetuity... ;p
though my dream setup is a DIY mesh
the software is sorta there
prplmesh would let me build my own nodes (though the perfect hardware is still tricky)
(or heck, if performance/range is a non issue, just build em on rpis or similar)
I do have a router built atop an orange pi r2 ;p
On the other hand, the industrial PC literally looks like someone forged a router in the bowels of mordor.
Its a very tanky looking thing
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
10:01
hm, forum.openwrt.org/t/kernel-replacement-for-ax200/40915
seems an interesting data point too
 
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djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
11:26
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bwDraco
bwDraco
12:00
devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20191030-00/?p=103036
bwDraco
bwDraco
12:21
Ever got a "G" when shutting down? Well, this is why.
 
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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
14:03
@Bob twitter.com/danrkports/status/1198042657504690176
From this
I came across this monstrocity
jcat.eu/product/m12-switch-gold
Euro 4k
And... you can't even plug in a normal ethernet cable into it
.... lets move this to matrix
 
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djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
16:09
3246
4676
:O
i gained liuke 100 some how
WHAT AL#BUM has 100 tracks???
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bertieb
bertieb
16:39
@djsmiley2k-CoW Now That's What I Call "Now That's What I Call Music", a "Now That's What I Call Music" Music Compilation ?
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
lol maaaybe :O
 
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bwDraco
bwDraco
18:35
@djsmiley2k-CoW aaa
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
And the christmas tree is up
how dd this occur
 
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bertieb
bertieb
20:10
@djsmiley2k-CoW It's still November!
mutters should be illegal
mumble, mumble
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
/me glares at wife
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
21:10
@djsmiley2k-CoW /me glares at local council :)
djsmiley2k - CoW
djsmiley2k - CoW
21:33
o_O
oh right, yeah, the lights in the city centre are up
not that I've been there in... ~3 months

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