@JourneymanGeek yeah, so I'm leaving them intact

@MichaelFrank looking at the laptop case, I don't think it's the latter

@rahuldottech cats are cool

morning

The system I work on nowadays.

also wow it's easy to get stars here

hah, i knew that that'd get stars.

@Ave Normally it requires you to say something stupid or witty or both but there are exceptions :)

Take your pinky and scratch the inside of your ear 4 times to hear the Pacman sound.

@Ave ayy

@DavidPostill it's not. AI is in its infancy. Almost every consumer tech which claims to be AI-enabled is basically a bunch of if statements

@rahuldottech Not quite

But yea it's nowhere near what people believe AI to be

Marketing fluff.

@rahuldottech Its a bit like 3d

3d is "real"

but its not aways what people need

@RogUE shiny but... not a proper cray if it dosen't look like furniture ;p

(also if you don't get what I mean, GET OFF MY LAWN)

@JourneymanGeek s/furniture/architecture/

@Bob lol furniture

if a product advertises AI or ML, then it's very easily going to make me not buy it.

@Ave or cloud

@rahuldottech I suspect self driving car software is a little bit more than a few if statements

@Ave Hmm.

wired.com/2017/06/…

@Ave @rahuldottech ^^^

And wired.com/2017/05/using-ai-detect-cancer-not-just-cats

@rahuldottech wakka wakka ?

@DavidPostill still not convinced

@DavidPostill Actually, that's probably largely what they are.

The only part I can think of that uses ML is object recognition.

@Ave {shrug} Do you have a problem with potentially saving lives through medical advances based on AI?

You don't just throw a thousand cars out there and accept the ones that don't crash. Unless you're Tesla, I guess.

@DavidPostill yes, if the same technology is also used to kill people. Military is a big investor when it comes to this sort of stuff.

@Bob I'm sure collision detection is more complicated than if then else

@Ave true of a lot of tech

which is why I avoid helping most :p

Rockets and spaceflight and a lot of material science was military led

I have my own fair share of hot takes on space flight

@Ave I suspect the military have little interest in using AI to detect cancer or diabetes related eye disease.

(it's fine, but it encourages the thought of "y'know we can keep littering, polluting and damaging earth, by the time it becomes unliveable we can run away to other planets anyways")

@Ave it also let's us see and use resources more efficiently

@Ave At the end of the day almost every technological advance has a possible military application.

I'd argue that it's not to the same extent

anyways, I'd rather not get too political here.

I've grabbed kernelcare after I asked about it here-- I like it so far.

Don't like miltary? get off the internet.

/me wibbles

also, half joking

@Ave I would like you to stop using radio, any mode of transport, gps, mobiles, the internet, xrays, hospitals, canned food, fertiliser, ...

superglue?

or is that just something they use?

Otherwise - hypocrite springs to mind ...

I hope technology helps us achieve a world, where militaries are no longer required.

^^^ this

Can travel to space? Great, limits of earths eco system no longer a problem.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't look after earth, means we can maybe turn earth back to something more 'natural'

Pretty much every discovery by homo sapiens since before the stone age has military applications - Fire, Wheel, Flint, Bronze, Iron, ...

@DavidPostill roads!

> Those findings were reported on Thursday by scientists who examined artifacts dating from 320,000 years ago unearthed in southern Kenya, roughly the same age as the earliest-known Homo sapiens fossils discovered elsewhere in Africa. ... tools fashioned from obsidian, a volcanic rock that yields extremely sharp blades, that contrasted with clunkier ones used by earlier species in the human evolutionary lineage.

@Burgi That comes under transport :)

used to allow the roman armies to deploy much faster than any other army prior to them

I think I may have upset @Ave (who has gone very quiet) :/

naah, I am employed

@Ave Not using anything with a possible military application I hope :)

@DavidPostill indeed, I am sending this message from a peace flag.

Oh wait. Internet. Bye bye :)

So how about AI for find me a car?

@Ave Please note I'm not having a go at you personally, but at the idea that we should ban any potentially useful or life saving tech that may have a military use.

Smiley's AI found him a car :D

I think (?)

(not everything has the same level of military application, which is what my argument is based on: You can kill people with knives or if you tried hard enough a pen, but guns can kill a whole lot more and aren't really used for much other than harming or killing, unlike pen or knives. AI can be used for a lot of amazing stuff, but it seems like the main usecase IRL is either creeping up on people or military rn, which is why I'm so much against it.)

this is an AI-centered tech event that is loved by AI people in turkey rn, ran by major companies with govt involvement:

@Ave That's still a gray area. You are being attacked by a Grizzly Bear and you cannot out run him. Do you shoot him or let him eat you?

other than "insanlik yararina teknoloji" (tech benefitting humanity), "robotaksi" (robotaxi) and "yapay zeka" (AI), all others are military.

@Ave Yes, but

@bertieb Does not need

just if cheap, if drivable, if blue

@DavidPostill except these are actual war machines

But that's like a vegan refusing to use SU, because food.se discusses cooking meat.

I refuse to use hard drives, because Reiser murdered his wife!

So Tesla's prices are going up

Not quite in my price range

But oh well

@djsmiley2k it's a killer app

:D

@bertieb up?>

I thought tthe model3 came down, and the self-driving addon went up

They reversed the decision

not that I pay that much attention, so may of been wrong

And are keeping the stores open

wut

oh

"Guise, we're gonna say we're doing this, and if it looks bad outlook we'll reverse it for profit, right? :D"

I think launching Ol' Musky's car into space was a test

Of an ICBC delivery system

2020: "No stores? No problem. The new Tesla Model Z; launched straight from the gigafactory to your driveway."

warning car maybe warm upon arrival

@bertieb it was to prove they have enough delta-v to get to mars

@Burgi Ssshshhhshhhh

That's far too sensible

Plus, there are no drivers on Mars! How is it gonna help them deliver Teslas?

@bertieb disagree, Curiosity is driving about

thats electric

I thought it got shut down?

that was opportunity

curiosity is the nuclear powered one

well i say nuclear powered... its a radio-thermal generator

fitting teslas with RTGs will solve their range issues

@Burgi that's what they want you to think.

I thought they both dead now

Seems @Burgi's right

i'm never wrong.... ;)

instructables.com/id/PVC-Dremel-drill-press

tempted to try and do this

@djsmiley2k honestly... What you need is concrete ;p

lol

the offical dremel press is only £35.

@Ave So was an Elephant ...

What's a dremel press useful for anyway?

@bertieb Precision dremelling? ;)

Heh

But actually

I don't have a dremel, so I don't know why I'd need to have one that's more precise

:D

well, I, or someone else

going straight, for a start.

I, uhhh

My lawyer informs me that I should say that all my activities are in strict compliance with all local laws and ordinances

Isn't part of the attraction of a dremel that it's small and portable?

Yuo

Also high speed

Personally my USB powered drill gets more use

Do VMware Workstation Player and VMware Fusion work same? SU q. I've the first one in my Windows PC.

Island.

@bertieb This sounds cool, but I'm hanging out for the time when you can just call a car as you leave the house and it pulls up to the curb just in time for you to open the door.

Automated uber

@MichaelFrank Tesla Advanced Summon.

lol

@Biswapriyo mostly

Player is cut down