It means the schematic software is very hungry and has started eating your circuit. I see further down it has started naming other components after Family Guy characters, so it must be going mad with hunger. — Benjamin Wharton1 hour ago
@bwDraco I built a PC about 2-3 months ago using AMD cpu and gfx card after years of being an Intel patriot. I'm thoroughly impressed with the performance AMD components have delivered.
@angelofdev Their CPUs have come a very, very long way. Their GPUs, on the other hand, are still only marginally competitive at the high end. The midrange Radeon cards, like the RX 580 and RX 590, are nonetheless great choices for mainstream gaming at 1080p (and in many cases, 1440p).
We have three Ryzen-based PCs in this house—two desktops and a laptop. My high-end gaming desktop Astaroth (specs) has a Ryzen 7 1800X, while my laptop Stolas (HP ENVY x360 13) is equipped with a Ryzen 7 2700U, AMD's fastest low-power mobile processor (soon to be replaced with the Ryzen 7 3700U). Father's desktop is a prebuilt HP Pavilion system with a Ryzen 3 2200G.
With respect to the mobile processor... Power efficiency at low loads can still use some work as the laptop's battery life during everyday productivity tasks and web browsing is a bit disappointing, but the peak performance of the processor is, quite frankly, amazing given that it's running at a maximum of about 25W.
(though it does not help that Firefox is much power-hungrier than Chrome or Edge)
Any battery life issues are solved by carrying a USB Power Delivery power bank :P
@angelofdev I think your build is held back by your choice of memory, as Ryzen is known to be very sensitive to memory speed (the speed of the on-chip cache-coherent interconnect is tied to the clock frequency of the memory). Regardless, nice budget build.
Very budget build, after years of building med-high end tower PCs for gaming decided to go for something basic since I have bought consoles for gaming now.
@bwDraco that is something I was not aware of at all.
You could get 2-4% more performance (and possibly more with some workloads) with DDR4-2666 memory, which is normally not much more expensive than DDR4-2400. 2400 is economy-grade RAM.
2933 and 3200 memory will increase performance further, but come with a significant premium.
Your power supply is much larger than is necessary for this build. I would have suggested 650W instead.
(assuming you're not running more than one graphics card or a card that requires more than 300W)
To tell you the truth I've been playing mobile games more than anything in the past 2 years (don't judge me). Yeah was hoping to overclock the memory but since I opted for a micro atx decided not to pursue it.
The power supply was from my previous PC back when it had a custom water cooling loop, cpu and hardware that needed a nuclear reactor to power on, not to mention 3 blu-ray drives and 5x 3.5" HDD.
yeah was pretty big on the CPU overclocking and most out of the box water cooling options didn't cut it so decided to make my own....biggest waste of money tbh.
With some funding from my mom (thanks), I wanted to invest in a build that will last me a good 5-7 years with planned upgrades, all the while being able to run games maxed out with high frame rates at 1440p.
@angelofdev And high maintenance. I'd just stick with a closed-loop (AIO) liquid cooler.
@Bob Astaroth runs the processor overclocked at 3.95 GHz. The processor will typically do 100W to 120W under a heavy gaming load. (Assassin's Creed Odyssey loves having lots of cores.)
@angelofdev AMD has been marketing their in-box coolers as actual value-adds that run at a sane noise level, rather than a cheap solution that is only minimally able to cool the processor adequately by running a small fan at high speeds under load.
@Bob A key factor is what kind of graphics card(s) you have and how they're cooled. If they use blower fans, you only need more intake airflow; heat is exhausted out of the case, and will not add to the burden of exhaust case fans.
On the other hand, if they use open-air coolers that exhaust heat into the case, the case fans need to remove that heat. If your case fans aren't adequate, and you have a liquid cooler configured as exhaust, most of that heat winds up getting pushed through the radiator.
This was the issue I had with Astaroth before I replaced the crappy stock rear exhaust fan with an industrial-grade Noctua fan that ran twice as fast, with fan curves adjusted accordingly. It's a trade-off: less GPU heat is getting pushed through the radiator, so the rad fans run quieter and the CPU temps are lower, but the rear case fan in turn runs louder.
Regardless, removing ~400 watts of heat from a PC is going to involve an unavoidable minimum level of noise.
(unless, of course, you use some specialized passive cooling solution, but that's not the case for 99+% of users)
@bwDraco I specifically only talked about CPUs, because GPUs are another bag of worms entirely.
Water cooling is effective at moving heat elsewhere. Good for small cases, or cases where there's just too much heat to remove with conventional fans.
It's rarely quieter than good air cooling, however.
Even ignoring pump noise, you'd need a rather big radiator for those fans to be quieter.
(The comparison to "good" air cooling is important, because stock often doesn't care about noise and just runs a small-ish fan at higher speeds...)
That said, both are good and serve their purpose. There's just less of a reason these days to 'need' water cooling now that we aren't routinely running overclocked >100 W CPUs and dual 300 W GPUs.
@angelofdev What happened at 132? :P
I gave up on long uptimes when graphics driver updates started crashing the damn thing...
@Bob In today's age of more accessible manycore processors (read: Threadripper), liquid cooling is actually becoming more common. While air cooling will work in many cases, liquid cooling will quickly become necessary when you try to push those beasts to high clock frequencies.
But you're right in that the typical mainstream or eSports gamer generally does not need liquid cooling.
(the Noctua NH-D15 is rated for up to 220W, which is enough to cool even the power-hungry Core i9-9900K, the fastest processor available for mainstream desktop platforms, at full Turbo speeds)
@Bob I routinely see 80-90% utilization across all hardware threads on an 8C/16T processor in Assassin's Creed Odyssey.
I wouldn't be able to tell, sadly. It's a game that does favor clock frequency somewhat over core count, but it does scale with cores, even if not linearly.
@bwDraco One important thing to keep in mind is the difference between "not having any more work to do" (i.e. CPU can idle) vs "fighting for resources" (i.e. CPU spins for no progress).
The first is great. The second ... is probably a waste of power.
(And, more importantly here, a lot of heat. Gaming in 30deg+ weather is ... uncomfortable.)
@bwDraco That's still around 10%. But are the 6 cores all running maxed, or are they partially idling?
And do you care more about the 10% performance or the 50% extra CPU heat? ... maybe the CPU heat isn't so important next to that GPU burning a hole in your mobo :P
@CowperKettle thanks, sorry never heard of that app before. I don't have a bike unfortunately. I do strength training mostly and substitute my cardio by playing futsal 2 nights a week :/
@rahuldottech Crack out the synth and co. for half an hour and do a short and sweet beat / mix (whatever you want to call it) for a creative mode break?
Is there a program that will generate a recursive directory listing, including empty files and folders and also including various checksums for each file?
@CowperKettle A fast-paced indoor version of soccer. It's played in an arena that's larger than a basketball court but much smaller than an actual soccer pitch, There's no offside rule, and scores are typically much higher due to the smaller playing area.
There's a useful function that basically tells the phone to ring for up to five minutes, even if it's silenced. Comes in handy if you've somehow misplaced your phone.
My girlfriend had her phone fall out of her pocket in a parking lot as we left a concert... After finally logging in and seeing it was still there, I went to look for it... And some nice citizen found the phone, and put it by the door of the arena, off the ground
