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bertieb

14:00

Need to declare a British emergency

Bob

@bertieb NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo‌ooooo。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。...........................................‌...........

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bertieb

Somebody alert the Queen

Journeyman Geek

Oh dear. KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON IN AN ORDERLY MANNER.

bertieb

@Bob I know, right?

@JourneymanGeek Trying! But it's hard. Tea has been spilt.

Bob

@allquixotic how much RAM? looks like E5420 is more widely available webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1705852 but @ 16 GB

bertieb

14:00

Wars have been fought over less :P

Journeyman Geek

chut chut. Stiff upper lip and all that. The empire must go on.

bwDraco

An oddity... a 7-Eleven purchase on my credit card is coded as "Gasoline".

allquixotic

@Bob if you buy annually they give you 24

bertieb

I know, I know; trying to remember my training

You hear about these things happening.... but you never believe it'll happen to you

allquixotic

you buy the E5420 with 24 GB of RAM and either a 120 GB SSD or two 500 GB HDDs, then you pay a one time $200 fee to upgrade to the dual L5630 (they give you a new chassis and keep the disks)

it goes DDR2 -> DDR3 and Core2 to Westmere

Bob

14:03

O_O beats OVH, I think: webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1710929

allquixotic

how do you want me to benchmark this?

Bob

@allquixotic ugh, it's been a while since I ran a disk benchmark... I remember it being a pain :P

a seq throughput is probably easiest and enough for now

allquixotic

what block size? :P

Bob

dd from /dev/zero to file and back to /dev/null, or if you have compression use openssl random to generate the data

uhh... 128kB

@allquixotic hm, I'm only seeing offers of annual $200 with 16 GB

but tbh right now I'm looking for disk more than CPU

I have the online.net one with a C2750 and a 1 TB HDD

allquixotic

@Bob I have a special offer :P

Bob

14:05

nowhere near saturating the CPU

> Los Angeles – Dual E5-2650v2
– 2x Intel Xeon E5-2650v2 (16 Cores, 32 Threads, 2.60Ghz)
– 128GB ECC DDR3 (Samsung 1866)
– 2x 800GB Intel DC S3500 SSD
– 5 Usable IPv4
– 15TB Monthly Bandwidth Transfer
– Dedicated 1Gbps Network Port
– 20Gbps DDoS Protection - UDP + TCP
$139/Month

teeeeeeeeeeempted

> – 15TB Monthly Bandwidth Transfer

eww no.

allquixotic

I mean, that's pretty generous

way more than I need

Bob

true

I just don't like the idea of watching usage :P

allquixotic

that's a really cool box for $139/mo, but it's basically more CPU cache and s/HDDs/SSDs/ (with less capacity) vs. my current OVH

Bob

@allquixotic isn't your current OVH single-CPU?

allquixotic

@Bob oh, yeah, lol

single E5-1620v2

Bob

14:08

it's nice how we're moving up to the sandy and ivy bridges in the relatively budget dual-cpu range

considering the nehalem and westmere dominance for the past 5 years

tank/foo  used                  238G                   -
tank/foo  compressratio         1.69x                  -
tank/foo  logicalused           392G                   -

maybe I should change it to gzip compression...

allquixotic

zstd ftw

# openssl rand -base64 $(( 2**30 * 3/4 * 2 )) | dd bs=128k of=fil
0+469736 records in
0+469736 records out
2181038080 bytes (2.2 GB, 2.0 GiB) copied, 55.4886 s, 39.3 MB/s

WDC WD5000LPVX-2

# btrfs filesystem show
Label: none  uuid: (the uuid)
        Total devices 2 FS bytes used 5.07GiB
        devid    1 size 465.76GiB used 7.03GiB path /dev/sdb2
        devid    2 size 465.76GiB used 7.03GiB path /dev/sda2

so who knows what it'd be on zfs... CBA to be honest

that's with btrfs zstd compression

Bob

@allquixotic thanks

djsmiley2k

I just use ext4 across the board now.

Journeyman Geek

"i don't really know what subtweeting is" "it's like normal tweeting at a lower frequency" "like a subwoofer" "That's a dog at a lower frequency, right?" "I think I have nothing left to teach you"

Tweeted by StackOverheards on May 14, 2018 at 2:18 PM

allquixotic

!! s/ext4/Eats data eXTraneously 4x more than other filesystems (ext4)/

ChatBot John Cavil

14:21

@allquixotic I just use Eats data eXTraneously 4x more than other filesystems (ext4) across the board now. (source)

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic and btrfs just randomly stops booting cause ... I donno

bwDraco

Well... if what you say is true, I need to learn ZFS.

But I've not heard of data loss issues with ext4 from anyone else.

Journeyman Geek

I've never had issues with ext

allquixotic

@bwDraco sure, but you won't get hired because you know ZFS

you need to know lots of different things at enough of a level to be dangerous

not necessarily a worldwide expert

Bob

@allquixotic 40 MB/s looks a tad slow but I can't test mine to compare right now

it's running a fairly long send/recv

Journeyman Geek

14:24

also. Er. Its fun? ;p

bwDraco

Gosh. So much to learn.

allquixotic

@bwDraco instead of approaching it as "wow, that's a lot of work" just do things -- if you aren't naturally motivated enough to do stuff and are paralyzed just thinking about stuff to do, TBH it might not be the field for you... not sure if that's my morning crankiness talking but maybe I'm just being more frank than usual

bwDraco

You see, part of my philosophy is that forcing it is perfectly OK.

As long as you achieve your objective, that's all that matters.

Journeyman Geek

But it isn't.

;p

TML Cat

That's what SHE said!

Hakase

14:27

so I think you guys dabble in dedicated home servers

Journeyman Geek

Also less time on "what should I do" and more time on "Ok, I want to do the thing - how can I do it?"

Hakase

but why not just use other random computer hardware?

Journeyman Geek

@Hakase actually, a few regulars rent dedis of various levels of power.

bwDraco

...if I'm not naturally motivated, will I wind up with more stress if I take up a sysadmin job?

Doesn't matter as long as I get there.

Journeyman Geek

@Hakase cause my ISP slightly sucks, and its slightly more reliable?

@bwDraco yes

Hakase

14:28

like some cheap slow nettop or an arduino (low power consumption, and I don't think you expect much resource load requirement)

Bob

@Hakase you ever tried hosting a server on ADSL? protip: don't.

Hakase

what kinda server tho

Bob

also, even a server-grade atom (avoton) can be painfully slow for 'simple' tasks like compilation or even installing packages

Hakase

just static pages and ftp would be fine

Bob

let alone arduino

Journeyman Geek

14:29

@Hakase I used to run a 8 core 8gb avaton

Bob

heck, an rpi is slow and that's light years ahead of any arduino

bwDraco

@Hakase A simple VPS will do.

Journeyman Geek

worst I've run stuff on and not needed extrea was a 256gb vps

Bob

@Hakase ADSL is like 80 kB/s up

no, static pages and ftp is not fine...

Journeyman Geek

hah

TML Cat

14:29

@Bob it's a 5400rpm laptop drive, I wouldn't expect much tbh

Hakase

@Bob ok just get a mobile plan then instead

Bob

@Hakase in which case I'd be paying like $5-10 per GB

nooooooooooope.

man, renting a rather powerful dedi costs less than even a modest mobile plan

Journeyman Geek

@Hakase lets see, I run TTRSS (which I access over mobile and desktop), on a postgres db, wordpress, some other random stuff...

Hakase

wow mad prices

Bob

let alone a bigger one

and 'unlimited' doesn't exist

Journeyman Geek

14:30

and I spend about 15 euros a month on my main server?

Hakase

yea I suppose renting in another country probably would be cheaper

Bob

a local VPS is also cheaper than any hope of hosting on mobile

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic was talking about moving his hosting home.

bwDraco

@allquixotic So... is being interested in running my own projects a prerequisite to being a professional systems administrator?

ToxicFrog

@Bob modern consumer DSL is in the 5-10Mbps up range, which is a lot more reasonable for server hosting

Journeyman Geek

14:31

@bwDraco no.

Bob

(not to mention, I don't actually know of any mobile provider that gives you a non-NAT'd connection... so no incoming)

Journeyman Geek

Most sysadmins do construction in their spare time.

Bob

@ToxicFrog that does not exist here

Hakase

I wanted to try hosting my chat bot on my phone but it turns out you can't just "try" android app development in under an hour

Bob

ADSL is specifically asymmetric

symmetrical DSL is business plans only

and costs like $500/month, minimum

ToxicFrog

14:32

@Bob yes? A typical domestic ADSL link here is, say, 25Mbps down, 5 or 10 up

bwDraco

@Bob (and in the US, business-grade Internet service typically requires an EIN)

Journeyman Geek

In theory I could go with MR (60 dollars a month), get the 50 dollar one time static IP option and self host.

TML Cat

@ToxicFrog that's fibre assisted VDSL, not ADSL

allquixotic

@bwDraco I wish! unfortunately most sysadmins just do their day job 9-5 40 hours a week, and they are so hyper-specialized on whatever it is they do that they have no clue how to fix shit when it breaks or think laterally about problems

Journeyman Geek

But then I'd also need to maintain my own hardware, have stuff goes down if the power trips...

Bob

14:33

@ToxicFrog I'm reasonably sure that's technically impossible with ADSL(2+)

Hakase

why are you talking about slow speeds like that where do you live

Bob

even Annex M only gives you up to 3Mbps up, iirc

Journeyman Geek

@Hakase he lives upside down, the electrons fall out.

TML Cat

@ToxicFrog impossible. ADSL is incapable of 5mpbs up in any shape or form. Enhanced ADSL2+ is 2.5mbps theoretical maximum.

ToxicFrog

@TMLCat aah. ISPs here don't differentiate between ADSL1/2/2+ and VDSL1/2

Journeyman Geek

14:34

(also, lol. We talk about servers a lot. I've actually tried running small apps on a raspi model B and it was terrible)

ToxicFrog

It's all "DSL" or "ADSL"

Bob

@TMLCat I'm seeing ADSL2+ at 1.4Mbps, up to 3.3Mbps with Annex M

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek since I have gigabit at home I had contemplated having my dedi at home instead of hosted, but nah, too much downtime

ToxicFrog

And it's not really something I've studied, since I punted on all forms on DSL a while ago in favour of cable to get a whopping 20Mbps upstream

Journeyman Geek

;p

TML Cat

14:34

@Bob 2.5 is the max with annex M here. Perhaps different power band allocations over where you are

Hakase

@JourneymanGeek then use photons duh

ToxicFrog

:sob:

Journeyman Geek

same point I was trying to make

@Hakase they don't have the right tubes for protons.

Hakase

@JourneymanGeek how?

Bob

@TMLCat I wouldn't know what it practically is here, since only one ISP does it here and at this point I'm just hoping something NBN-ish happens and the HFC isn't too shit

Hakase

14:35

oh it's coz he photons start swirling the wrong way

TML Cat

@Bob practically 2.0 is the highest I've seen.

Journeyman Geek

@Hakase was really slow, had a ton of memory card corruption

Hakase

haha

Journeyman Geek

the only reliable way to run it was with the system on a external drive, which needed a powered USB hub which....

Hakase

was the memory card old and kinda dead in the first place?

bertieb

14:36

@Hakase And when that happens, you need to reverse the polarity of the main deflector dish

Hakase

what if you use an ssd

bertieb

Or Bad Stuff happens... well, for around 45 minutes or so

Journeyman Geek

naw, was a brand new, supplied with the raspi model.

Hakase

or a usb drive even

Journeyman Geek

that got janky fast

I just run a NUC class machine for home server use

Hakase

14:37

I hear sd cards are bad for repeated rewrites

nuc dukem?

TML Cat

@Bob in the UK Annex M coexists with non-Annex M lines in the same bundle and to minimise crosstalk interference the additional Annex M spectrum had to be power throttled.

Bob

@TMLCat ohhhh

@TMLCat Looks like 2800 is a typical max sync speed here: whirlpool.net.au/wiki/annex_m_results

TML Cat

Same reason the VDSL bands that overlap with ADSL have to be power throttled to prevent crosstalk interference with "legacy" customers.

Journeyman Geek

@Hakase or if you don't shut them down right

the raspi has no clean shutdown method

Hakase

how does that corrupt storage tho

TML Cat

14:40

@bertieb I thought it was polarize the hull and reverse shield polarity

bwDraco

So, @allquixotic, what made you learn ZFS?

bertieb

> polarise the hull

Smells like shudder Enterprise

Reversing shield polarity is golden

Shield polarity, deflector polarity

Reverse all the polarities

TML Cat

@Bob the whirlpool article is dodgy. It says it provides the same download speeds but higher upload. This isn't true. It remaps some of the downloads channels to do uploads so by definition always provides lower download speeds.

djsmiley2k

welp no time to read the backlog, send help pl\

random consulant can't connect to vpn, cisco anyconnect ' cannot connect via local proxy'

no proxy settings configured D:

TML Cat

@bertieb nodulate the bussard array!

Synchronizer the dechyon emitters!

bertieb

14:43

Also, there's a PGP vulnerability (BBC). EFF says disable automatic decryption. Been dubbed 'EFAIL'

bwDraco

@djsmiley2k Basically, EUserNameError (Fleet Command) was posting inappropriate material, got censored by a mod, then started playing innocent in order to troll the rest of the room. The user has since been suspended for a week.

Bob

@TMLCat Yea, I know. Linked it just for the reported sync speed table.

djsmiley2k

lol @bwDraco i know about that, i was here

bertieb

I'm sure we all use PGP-signed email for all our emails (cough), but it's there nonetheless

djsmiley2k

I mean all the chat since haha

bertieb

14:45

@djsmiley2k Oh, I spilled my tea

It's a serious emergency nods

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k we're talking about servers and how hosting at home sucks

bwDraco

Yeah.

And how I'm struggling to get started on my own projects and learning :\

bertieb

There's also a paper on EFAIL (PDF warning)

bwDraco

I've already stopped using PGP after my PGP plugin broke on me.

I've never used it for anything serious, though.

And never with HTML messages.

TML Cat

@bwDraco oh they were blocked, so I didn't notice.

djsmiley2k

14:49

@JourneymanGeek hsoting anywhere kinda sucks.

I'm at a complete loss to help this guy connect

TML Cat

@djsmiley2k Realign the reverse tachyon beam!

djsmiley2k

when.... his system is complaining about somethin that doesn'/shouldn't matter

ToxicFrog

@djsmiley2k "hsoting anywhere kinda sucks" -- too damn true

I host stuff at home, on shared web hosting, and on a VPS, because apparently I hate myself.

bwDraco

I spend $15/month on Linode FWIW.

Got started on a whim for a class project, using it instead of the school's server. I've been maintaining the servers ever since.

One of the key uses of the servers is as a custom Firefox Sync server.

ToxicFrog

Yeah, I've got an OVH VPS that I contribute to an IRC network, a bunch of shared web hosting used for the family websites and whatnot, and everything else gets hosted on a machine in my basement

Which is actually an old laptop

allquixotic

14:55

@bwDraco I was working on my server and got tired of ext4's limitations

TML Cat

I got told by a guy smarter than me (at the time) that ZFS was cool.

allquixotic

my upbringing in software is similar to Louis Rossmann's upbringing in electronics repair

59 mins ago, by allquixotic

Where did I start, how do I get there (the answer to everything)

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bwDraco

I guess I'll stick with learning Docker for now.

TML Cat

15:29

Urgh. Managed to go through a whole bottle of sleeping pills again and have no memory of how. Why does this keep happening...

djsmiley2k

o_O

lock them in a cupboard, with a lock that you can't easily just unlock

then, go to the doctor and seek help.

TML Cat

There are no cupboards I can't easily unlock when I have power cutters and a crowbar.

bertieb

Pharmacy might be willing to do daily dispensing

djsmiley2k

@TMLCat if you're doing that without knowing about it, see my previous point.

6 mins ago, by djsmiley2k

then, go to the doctor and seek help.

> Current SNR = 0.3 dB

lol dat signal

hmmm

> Packet switch domain(PS) state = Not attached
Registration state(EMM) = Registration Denied

I guess it's not activated yet.

TML Cat

15:51

@djsmiley2k my shrink is taking me to the castle on Thursday. Not sure how that'll help but meh.

djsmiley2k

The castle?

TML Cat

I manage to speed glyph in ingres (drawing sentences in an alien language) even while so out of it I'm barely conscious and can't stand so I doubt a lock is going to get in my way.

djsmiley2k

Do they know your popping sleepin pills like it's hot?

TML Cat

@djsmiley2k Edinburgh Castle.

@djsmiley2k yes.

djsmiley2k

Did they tell you to stop?

ChatBot John Cavil

15:53

HAMMERTIME!

TML Cat

@djsmiley2k yes

These would make a really good date rape drug. If only I could actually get a date to begin with.

bertieb

Errr

djsmiley2k

I'd retract that plz @TMLCat

allquixotic

@TMLCat are you addicted to sleeping pills?

bertieb

That aside, if you are concerned about taking too many/overdosing, (in case you missed it above) you could ask your pharmacy where you get your prescription from about daily dispensing of the pills

TML Cat

15:56

@allquixotic no. I hardly ever use them.

djsmiley2k

@TMLCat twice in a week so far.

I tried herbal ones, once, a long time ago.

Right home time!

TML Cat

Just happens i take one or two hits, go "oh hey this feels great" take maybe one more, next thing I know I wake up the next afternoon, slept way better than usual, and feel great. Then I notice the whole bottle is gone and have no recollection of how.

Maybe the neighbours cat comes in and eats them while I'm sleeping or something.

@bertieb hey bertieb, fancy going on an interspecies date with a cat with a drug problem?

bertieb

I already have a 'cat with benefits' (ie it goes home)

But ty

Though it does try to visit at inconvenient times

Like this morning, when I was leaving

Burgi

@TMLCat @bertieb wouldn't be able to pet you

OMG!

bertieb

@Burgi Ja, I'm allergic :(

Burgi

16:02

i just realised the extra "B" in your name stands for "Bionic Hand"

bertieb

Hah

I hope not :P

allquixotic

!!cat

ChatBot John Cavil

introducing blackberry the kitten

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bertieb

This is the NHS, not the six million dollar man

Best we can do is about five bob

allquixotic

!!learn bertieb's_cat <>https://i.sstatic.net/Ejl2Y.jpg

ChatBot John Cavil

16:04

@allquixotic Command bertieb's_cat learned

allquixotic

@bertieb "You are my owner now, yes?"

bertieb

Just like the British Robocop

Big Train Robocop Spoof

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@allquixotic Ha :P

Yeah.......

I have better photos of ~~him~~ ~~her~~ them

allquixotic

that's basically what that cat was doing

bertieb

Oh yes :P

He does a good stare too

Oh man, I have dozens of photos

He's not even my cat

Halp

Jings. Someone with 34 famous question badges!

allquixotic

@bertieb That's what you think. In his mind, he already is.

bertieb

16:21

@allquixotic Ha, touché

bwDraco

16:31

18 Famous Questions on my account.

bertieb

I have none shrug

allquixotic

3 famous questions and 2 great answers

bertieb

Well, I can't grouse as I don't really ask terribly many questions :P

But still

34 gold badges with '0 helpful flags, 0 edits'... brings out the irked squint in me :P

Hakase

flags I can understand but no edits

I mainly create accounts because I want to edit something

Bob

16:49

6 famous questions; 8 great answers

the famous questions are very much meh, just old

the great answers are mostly luck... some of the better ones have 0-1 votes :/

jokerdino

who are we talking about?

bertieb

Ourselves :P

jokerdino

oh no, I can't get to Bob's SU profile from chat popup once again.

Someone refresh his chat session pls

@bertieb ah I see

djsmiley2k

17:06

herp

well i'm home at last.

Project Pitchfork - Rain

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I'm wondering what the crash was

must of been bad to close a big road like that

bertieb

17:44

Today, on IPS visits RPG.se

Some good, in-depth replies there

Bob

bertieb

(The quality of RPG.SE answers seems to be invariably good, in my ~~excessive reading~~ casual browsing experience)

jokerdino

@Bob in that way, computer driving is driven by crowd sourcing?

@bertieb linky?

bertieb

@jokerdino The IPS-style one is linked above (and almost definitely will be HNQ if not already)

My RPG browsing stumbles back and forth across the dnd5e and dungeon-world QAs mostly

"Related questions" start a tvtropes/wiki-style tabsplosion

jokerdino

@bertieb interesting cross

@bertieb y u do this to me?

I have work tomorrow and it's already late in night.

bertieb

17:54

@jokerdino Heh, mea culpa

I thought the mention of tvtropes would be sufficient warning to the initiated :P

jokerdino

I have never played this kind of game though. So it's kinda new to me

rahuldottech

18:27

@bertieb How's recovery?

bwDraco

@djsmiley2k I have been exceptionally busy with family activities lately. Renovations have resumed, we're preparing to attend a relative's wedding, and I've been dealing with a nasty bout of tonsillitis these last few days.

rahuldottech

@bwDraco Get well soon!

bwDraco

(the latter is getting better but it's sapped whatever free time I would otherwise have)

@rahuldottech Thanks :)

Have been on ibuprofen the last several days. The pain and inflammation are now going away, but it'll still be a few more days before it fully recovers.

11 hours ago, by djsmiley2k

Also, you're waiting on a book, to work on docker?

(see context)

TML Cat

19:23

OK it definitely wasn't the neighbours cat that emptied the bottle of sleeping pills.

bwDraco

19:37

You know one thing the Bifrons netbook is great at? As an RDP client.

1366x768 resolution isn't great and the screen isn't that bright, but I can't complain when it only costed me $230.

Dollynho

@TMLCat Are you sure? Aren't cats always sleeping?

djsmiley2k

djsmiley2k's Live PS4 - Some more A Way Out.....

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Ave

19:53

Hello!

I dropped by to ping @JourneymanGeek. I do not want to continue any drama, I just want to clear something up with this:

7 hours ago, by EUserNameError

@JourneymanGeek Ave left because of your insensitive comments. But if you have evidence that it was because of my comments, please show me.

I did not leave because of anything JMG said. JMG has been amazing to me and everyone this whole time, at least from my personal point of view, and this is a false accusation towards him.

JMG, thank you for being all the nice stuff you've been.

8

bwDraco

@Ave: Sorry I wasn't there at the time this happened - EUserNameError was playing dumb and pretending to be innocent. Feel free to ignore him.

Nobody deserves to be falsely accused of any sort of wrongdoing.

Our mods and ROs do a stellar job of keeping disruption under control.

Furthermore, he's been suspended for a week, so there shouldn't be any disruption for a while.

Ave

@bwDraco yes, exactly.

I just wanted to clear things up for everyone, especially EUserNameError and JourneymanGeek.

bwDraco

TBH, I don't recall anyone purposely posting transphobic content, so you should feel welcome here. If anybody ever does, you can always flag it.

Ave

I don't exactly remember why I left, and I joined again and posted a couple messages sooo... I'll pin the tab again, hope that stuff stays nice.

bwDraco

You don't need to worry. We value diversity and civility.

Remember that the flag option is always there when you need it.

djsmiley2k

20:07

Nice to see you around <3

@Ave I could remind you, if you'd like?

Ave

probably not.

djsmiley2k

hmmm

yeah

Ok.

Burgi

@Ave +7 billion

bertieb

20:33

@rahuldottech Getting there slowly thanks :) Fingers feel tingly and weird but going to fracture clinic on Wednesday so will see what they say!

In other news, I made friends with another small cat

They are black and white and have a little patch on their cheek, so I'ma call them Marilyn Monroe

djsmiley2k

woooooo

bertieb

(no photos yet as they're still a bit skittish)

And the other not-my-cats are being a bit territorial

Trying to be non threatening and friendly so they know they're welcome

But never had cats so idk if that works

¯_(ツ)_/ ¯

allquixotic

20:47

reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/8jeidy/…

nevermind if someone tries to ask a practical question about a watch to a bunch of people who know a lot about watches... no, let's just downvote that

Michael Frank

21:32

@allquixotic Flicked you an upvote, but the number didn't change. :|

TML Cat

22:07

@bertieb I hope your not-your-cats aren't the same cats as my not-my-cats, I'm territorial and don't like sharing

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank weird

bertieb

@allquixotic I also gave an updoot, but I think Reddits/some subreddits delay / futz with voting to prevent gaming the system

Or some such handwavium

> They chose me!

allquixotic

@bertieb odd but thanks

bertieb

Well, it would have gotten a +1 on here... before all the close: off-topic (shopping request) :P

Felix.C

22:25

hey folks, does anyone happen know, how the callee of a voip call know about the call? Assuming that it is hidden behind a NAT. I can image a NAT rule to forward SIP traffic to the client/SBC....

Burgi

22:43

well the phone rings... thats how they know about it...

Journeyman Geek

@Ave I know. And thanks.

allquixotic

@Felix.C are you talking about VoIP to VoIP or a call to the PSTN like you can do in Google Voice or Skype (among others)?

A NAT doesn't "hide" anything, typically, unless you're under an absolutely enormous NAT with lots of different users, but if it's a single domicile NAT then once they know your public IP it's basically you

and most NATs that cover a lot of independent users tend to have network operators who are willing to pull back the curtains, keep logs, and tell e.g. authorities who did what at what time, so they can prosecute, if you're thinking about illegal activities

eventually the recipient of a call is going to receive some kind of connection from your public IP (or at least their nearest gateway will); there's no way to prevent that

Journeyman Geek

Wouldn't you use a stun server for that?

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