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Journeyman Geek

00:00

@allquixotic oo. Sounds almost like a DOM

Bob

00:48

@JourneymanGeek Document Object Model?

> The event organizers instructed the speakers to upload a photo and brief biography, with the note: "Your biography should be 150 words or less (including spaces)."

"Including spaces"? What does that even mean?

> Hey everybody, I'm down at the //build/ conference. (The extra slash is to keep the d from falling over.)

> The City National Grove at Anaheim is not a city, not national, and not a grove. I do concede, however that it is in Anaheim.

Journeyman Geek

01:19

Disk on Module

allquixotic

01:58

@Bob did you see the CS answer? :D

Bob

02:37

@allquixotic o.O

bwDraco

03:08

anandtech.com/show/12449/…

Interesting...

(FWIW ASUS likes using ON Semiconductor and International Rectifier parts for the VRM)

There's more than one way you can tell Supermicro genuinely used server design methodologies in this consumer motherboard.

> two fan 4-pin fan headers [...] each header supports a maximum of 2.5A (30W) output

Servers tend to need powerful fans, so high-output fan headers are typical of server boards. It's unusual for a consumer board to have headers that support more than 1A output. (All fan headers on the ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Extreme, save for one designed for a liquid cooler pump, are designed to supply 1A.)

> This is the first time we have seen power delivery parts all made from Monolithic Power Systems.

This is not a brand commonly associated with consumer motherboard VRMs. You sometimes see this in the server space, but not on a gaming product.

> Also along the top are a couple of LEDs for NIC activity as well as fan failure headers - features more typically associated with server level boards.

Not to mention that Supermicro is the only company I'm aware of that makes consumer boards with IPMI capability.

Bob

03:24

@bwDraco vPro?

bwDraco

vPro is actually fairly common on business chipset boards (e.g. Q270) from all brands.

Bob

@bwDraco Yea, I'm just saying it's essentially IPMI

bwDraco

@Bob Actually, they're using a discrete BMC.

The C9X299-PGF, in particular, has an AST2500 BMC.

(and that's an HEDT board, if the chipset X299 in the name doesn't give it away)

allquixotic

@Bob the failed to create DirectX 11 context errors were popping up in D3D9, OpenGL and other games too so I downgraded to the previous nvidia driver - fixed it. apparently it's a common issue with the new driver on their forums

they really fucked up somehow... maybe a resource leak of a very limited resource?

bwDraco

I've held off on updating the driver for precisely this reason.

allquixotic

03:35

not like VRAM or anything, but I was thinking some kind of handle or something 16-bit

bwDraco

And this: hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/…

Bob

@bwDraco @allquixotic plays BattleTech, so the new drivers do help him :P

bwDraco

I really need to get into strategy games.

Bob

@allquixotic yea, something is really wrong with the most recent drivers

bwDraco

May 23 '17 at 4:29, by bwDraco

So... I'm looking into going into strategy games more, once I get Astaroth up and running. Is Endless Legend an appropriate way to get started, or should I just get Civilization VI?

So... now that Astaroth is a reality, where should I get started?

(see context)

Feb 24 '17 at 3:35, by bwDraco

I'm willing to experiment with anything to improve my behavior.

Journeyman Geek

03:52

What do you want to play?

bwDraco

Perhaps a turn-based strategy game that's well-suited for beginners to the genre?

allquixotic

@bwDraco heh, heheh, no, Battletech is rather hard for beginners... also, Battletech is nothing at all like Civ VI

bwDraco

And that's why I'm asking.

allquixotic

Battletech is a tactical turn-based strategy game - it has a lot more in common with the (new) XCOM games (XCOM 1 and 2, released in the 2010s)... you don't get to "build" units so much as outfit them, customize them in a sort of strategic layer between missions, then you're thrust into a mission with your choice of equipment and people and made to move the units around, shoot, etc. and not die

Civ VI is a 4X strategy game, which is a completely different genre despite being also turn-based

bwDraco

I'm looking to build skills that will help me not only in gaming, but also in real life. For relevant information, see the context of the linked messages above.

allquixotic

04:02

in a 4X you generally control an entire empire or country or faction of some sort, and you have territory (divided into tiles of some regular polygonal shape such as hexes) on a game map

as I explained to Bob over the weekend, 4X games go from mechanically simple games like Civ VI and GalCiv 3, to unfathomably complex games with way too many systems, like Crusader Kings 2

@bwDraco strategy games won't really do that - not nearly to the extent that learning a new skill would

bwDraco

So I'm better off just learning Docker and playing with other new technologies in VMs.

bwDraco

05:04

The most obvious or straightforward solution isn't always the best solution. True wisdom is looking beyond the surface. #Wisdom #SeeTheWorldDifferently

Tweeted by bwDraco on May 1, 2018 at 5:03 AM

Journeyman Geek

hah

jokerdino

05:30

hmm

Journeyman Geek

Sometimes obvious and straightforward works

jokerdino

05:57

That's quite obvious and straightforward.

Bob

06:36

I have this really weird feeling of deja vu

like I've seen this exact question before

like I've seen this exact question and thoguth I'd seen it before so I posted this exact thing in chat before

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A few days back I faced irritating popups called "Ads by Advertise" in Google Chrome, which displays ads when certain highlighted keywords were hovered over. The issue was specific to Chrome (it did not appear on other browsers like MS Edge or Firefox). Subsequently I installed Malwarebytes, did ...

djsmiley2k

Yawn, morning yall

@bwDraco you done it yet?

fired up anything?

rahuldottech

06:51

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djsmiley2k

07:05

k?

Journeyman Geek

that is the goshdarned oddest arrangement for a switch I'd ever laid my eyes on

Bob

@JourneymanGeek bwha?

Journeyman Geek

[_] looks like an ethernet port ;p

Bob

o.O

O_O

user226528

07:22

@Bob If you don't mind me asking, to which question does this belong?

Bob

@EUserNameError => superuser.com/questions/1313061/…

djsmiley2k

07:55

Oooooooooooo Dave's live...

EEVblog LIVE DIY TTL Computer Build

►

Burgi

morning

rahuldottech

afternoon

Journeyman Geek

hi

rahuldottech

> <><

djsmiley2k

woof!

Journeyman Geek

08:06

woof!

also. Why is @rahuldottech communicating in pictograms?

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Michael Frank

08:42

Probably some new teen fad.

ascii art is cool again or something.

djsmiley2k

cool

djsmiley2k

09:02

errr wtf word

So I turned on the symbols to see how the page is setup

and it changed the layout of the page?

Burgi

10:09

excellent... a customer we lost year (the one working with the 4LA) is still using our email forwarding platform

djsmiley2k

dat graph

@Burgi you're charging them, right?

or it's locked down, right?

Burgi

@djsmiley2k lol! what is this charging you speak of?

djsmiley2k

oh god, i've worked at places like that :D

/me ponders the fact you appear to be running a completely open email forwarding platform

Burgi

its authenticated, we just haven't changed the password

djsmiley2k

10:47

lul

Change it like... now

Burgi

11:01

i've chucked over to the account director

they have one week to sort out alternative solutions

djsmiley2k

11:13

lol far too kind

hackaday.io/project/157100-pentesting-bbu-dropbox

This is awesome

I'd worry about overheating, but awesome

bwDraco

Yeah!

djsmiley2k

Aww :(

bwDraco

11:45

One of the things I really like about PrimoCache is the fact that it can help speed up slower eMMC flash with a fast USB 3.0 portable SSD. In situations where the onboard NAND would be saturated, the caching software reduces the workload, especially during mixed read-write workloads involving uncached data, by putting the reads onto the eMMC while buffering the writes on the external drive.

Because I'm also running this update on the slow netbook.

I'll disable the cache on the netbook before reboot, though.

I'll probably have performance measurements (as in how long it takes for the update to install during the reboot step).

djsmiley2k

@bwDraco will be interesting to know if it's a sloooooooooooow one

bwDraco

Especially because I have hardware on the opposite extremes of the spectrum.

One's a $4,000 custom desktop, the other's a $230 netbook.

From clicking the "Restart now" button to the desktop...

Michael Frank

@Burgi pfft. Just turn it off and record it as 'being used in a manner that breaches any formal agreement or terms of service'

bwDraco

12:07

10 minutes 45 seconds to the desktop. The demon never ceases to amaze me.

Absolutely astounding just how fast this system is.

So... @allquixotic, @Bob, @JourneymanGeek, and anyone else interested... how long does your system take to install the 1803 update?

Journeyman Geek

Not done it yet. Also will likely run it t work

Sidar

Does anyone know what might cause indexing to fail? I've selected the directories on my secondary harddrive but windows refuses to collect them or something

allquixotic

12:26

@bwDraco I already did it with the MCT like, a month ago, but now when I check for updates it tries to download it over Windows Update then fails... typical MS buggy crap

Bob

12:52

*shrug*

not interested in 1803

bwDraco

So... Bifrons needed ~40 minutes to complete the update.

Burgi

13:38

@MichaelFrank too nice for my own good

the saga of the oven continues

djsmiley2k

@Burgi The.... broken oven?

Burgi

yup

djsmiley2k

urgh

Burgi

the joiner can't remove the units on his own because they all support the granite worktop

djsmiley2k

hmmm

Burgi

13:45

tbh i think he is a jobsworth

djsmiley2k

so the reg picked up and ran with a story about SE's blog

someone in the comments pointed out something interesting though

The very start is 'Ah women! children! coloured people! are scared of the site!'

The rest of the post is "How do we attract new visitors and keep them?"

Burgi

by being professional and giving the right answers first time

djsmiley2k

But, maybe the internet in general just doesn't 'want to give back'?

I regularly google something, get the result, never visit wherever I got it ever again

Sure, SE and it's sites appear a lot

but I come here because I like doing stuff online

90% of the web doesn't

they exist offline, and being online and doing things online are a very small part of their world.

Burgi

its why i have stuck around

djsmiley2k

Because you can add answers?

Burgi

13:50

yeah and the answers for my questions are normally very good

djsmiley2k

So can we group users into two groups

those who have one problem to solve right now, and will never answer anything

and those like yourself who have more, and are looking for a source of infomation?

Journeyman Geek

there's a third sort

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek those who want points?

Journeyman Geek

there's folks who actually want the challenge

oh. that's one or two people

djsmiley2k

I think those are a very small amount however

and if they want the challenge, they'll keep coming back eitherway.

Journeyman Geek

13:54

Yup!

djsmiley2k

but the first two groups

The first group - we can't do anything, that's just how it is

Journeyman Geek

But those folks are the ones who actually provide the most value

djsmiley2k

the 2nd group however

we have those like @Burgi who ask good questions,

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k but that sort's the type who probably complain the most

djsmiley2k

and then there's those who don't, get flagged, get voted down, get commented, get deleted and yet still come back

(except when they don't come back)

group 2.2

and that's what that blog post should be about

Journeyman Geek

13:56

sigh

I actually think that folks are freaking out over bad PR

and realising people are unhappy

We've literally have had the same conversations we've had years ago...

come back up again

djsmiley2k

=)

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek i rarely complain! ;)

Journeyman Geek

and frustratingly! The thing that I think people need to see is on MSO

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A: When is Stack Overflow going to stop demonizing the quality-concerned users who have made the site a success?

The single post that we published could have probably been broken down into quite a few, where we spent more time talking about the individual reasons why people don't find the site to be welcoming, followed by what we could do there. There was an underlying theme that presents itself with a ra...

djsmiley2k

It's amusing to me

because no one seems to be realising this isn't a SE problem, or a facebook problem, or a twitter problem, or whatsapp, or reddit, or any number of other social places on the internet

it's not even an internet problem

Journeyman Geek

Well, someone apparently internet famous brought it up

djsmiley2k

14:01

It's a world problem, we've brought up a generation, a few years behind myself, prob about 10-15, who just want stuff given to them

Journeyman Geek

and tweeted at folks high up

and and...

djsmiley2k

I remember when I finished primary school

in the final year, the sports day, they started doing that 'everyone's a winner' thing

look at what it got us.

Journeyman Geek

hah

djsmiley2k

hahaha

oh lord. I hate the planet.

Journeyman Geek

See? That's vaguely the attitude that makes people think we're not nice.

We've had years here to work it out.

I mean, there are HVs, sure

but shrug we can close those. We can edit.

Something I've been trying to do since this thing blew up is edit a question a day

But there's folks mad at us cause we edit out salutations and pleasantries

bwDraco

14:07

It's going to be pretty hot today. Just closed windows after actively drawing cool air from outside for a couple of hours.

Journeyman Geek

That's to say

@djsmiley2k there's three kinds of people out there.

bwDraco

Will probably purge heat tonight to stave off the need for AC tomorrow.

Journeyman Geek

One sort is trying to use this to push their own agendas. On both sides.

The other is basically using this as an attempt to more or less find things to be outraged about

and there's folks who actually care about making the network a better place.

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek That's one situation where comments should be used. If you politely say, "welcome to Super User - we've removed 'thanks' because we prefer questions to be as free of clutter as possible", that would help immensely.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco then those comments get flagged and deleted ;p

and I'm cool with that conversation happening on meta, or on its own

there's just a ton of folks on twitter ... who.. eh

I just spent about an hour in what I'd term an arguement over whether chat served an important purpose for SE on twitter. On a bus so... ;p

bwDraco

14:12

> Welcome to Super User! Although we recognize you're trying to be polite, we've removed "thanks" from your post because it isn't truly necessary. We prefer that questions and answers be as free of extraneous content as possible so that the essential parts of your post can stand out more. If you need help, be sure to consult the help center.

Bob

14:33

@JourneymanGeek actually, making the edit comment/summary more visible ot the user would probably help

Journeyman Geek

... or at all ;p

Bob

I have to go on a little hunt to find it when people edit my posts... and I'm supposedly an experienced user

Journeyman Geek

I'm bad with edit comments

Bob

@JourneymanGeek problem is it isn't displayed unless you actually go look at the revision history

I'd bring it up on meta, but perhaps now is not the time

Journeyman Geek

Actually I'd do it, in context of this

Its got the best chance of actually happening

Burgi

14:37

sigh

Bob

@JourneymanGeek twitter can be a cesspit at times

Burgi

this oven thing is fucking ridiculous

Journeyman Geek

@Bob heh, lemme PM you that conversation ;p

Bob

threads are very hard to follow on it, so responses to controversial opinions get lost easily

Journeyman Geek

oh this was a little fun.

cough

Bob

14:39

@JourneymanGeek eh... the more I think about it the more complex it gets. you'd also have to introduce some kind of template edit message because no one's gonna type out a polite message every time

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek you know what the odd thing is?

Journeyman Geek

There's a userscript for that?

What?

Bob

I suppose I'm a proponent of the "edit/fix before closing/voting" approach.

I've talked about it a lot in chat.

Journeyman Geek

hah

Bob

14:39

But I deeply disagree with how the SE team has approached this.

Journeyman Geek

oh pretty sure someone in C level's going slightly bonkers over this

and they quite literally picked the "best" time to do this

lots of management churn, profits down, and right after a major major major downsizing

I kinda do too

Bob

Then you see the inflammatory responses like this: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/366783/1030702

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

Everything's too emotionally charged right now. But you'd at least hope an employee speaking officially would step back for a sec and think before posting.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

or anyone at all

Bob

14:43

@JourneymanGeek TBH I hold employees (and mods) to a higher standard.

Leading by example and all.

Journeyman Geek

Its almost like they didn't have a group of people whose main task was to engage the community...

Bob

This is not a good example.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob hah. I try!

Some days I fail

Some days I want to hide under my bed cause people consider me an example for others and that's scary

Burgi

so whats going on?

has someone on the twat-o-sphere freaked out about SO?

Journeyman Geek

yup

and lots of dog piling on SO

and lots of reactions

Burgi

14:47

meh, they should just ignore it, the storm will get bored

Journeyman Geek

hasn't happened ;p

Burgi

when did the storm appear?

Journeyman Geek

tho CMs are kinda making noises about how Q&A has been neglected, which is nice

about 2 weeks back?

maybe more

I donno

Ironically most of those people scare me, and I'd get shouted down if I got involved I think

twitter is kinda toxic in those contexts sometimes

Burgi

so there is a lot of grumping, wailing and nashing of teeth because someone on the internet thinks different?

Journeyman Geek

yup

and some conciliatory blogging

that seems to result in more of that, not less

Burgi

14:50

VTC: too broad

Journeyman Geek

good time for MSE rep tho ;)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek heh, I think most of my MSE rep is from that last chat blowup

Journeyman Geek

Oh I've been working at that. Its kinda fun, and hopefully it lets me influence policy a bit, or at least try to be a more moderate voice

Burgi

ugh... let the political students and the idiots battle it. i have real work to get on with

Journeyman Geek

lol

you asked ;p

Bob

14:52

I have a nap to get on with :P

it's almost 1am

Journeyman Geek

I've been equally distracted by that, and whatever my parents have been doing in india ;p

I've been confusing @Bob with those stories ;p

since I can't talk about work

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek yeah, i know and i knew the response would anger, irritate and bore me all at the same time

@JourneymanGeek partying like its 1982?

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi that's why I mostly stayed out of it

@Burgi errr

Bob

@Burgi if that means getting lost everywhere cause no GPS, then it sounds like it! :P

Journeyman Geek

hah

no no no

Burgi

14:55

lol

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek which attitude sorry?

Journeyman Geek

I called them, they told me they were lost, and I guded them over chat ;p

djsmiley2k

That I hate the planet?

But that attitude isn't something SE has created or developed in me

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k more or less. Or folks all want to be spoon fed ;p

djsmiley2k

It's something I'd developed, because I've found that 90% of people are ***holes :/

Those who aren't? I fortunately work with a few of them

Journeyman Geek

14:56

@djsmiley2k I like the moral high ground. ;p

djsmiley2k

And as such, work isn't terrible

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi also dad nearly got bitten by a dog...

and there's the whole matchmaking mess

djsmiley2k

@bwDraco now, write somethin to run on an arduino, which opens and closes the window/turns the fan on automatically

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek man bites dog!

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi thankfully no biting.

Though apparently we're kinda at the second stage of the process with someone \o/

Burgi

14:59

@JourneymanGeek the second stage of what? getting you a date?

djsmiley2k

@Burgi I bit my cats

also my wife told me to bite my son, the next time he bites.

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi matchmaking.

djsmiley2k

as he's doing that out of annoyance atm

Journeyman Geek

;p

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