Root Access

Ben N

00:02

\o/

allquixotic

You have backups, right?

bwDraco

Speaking of which... took my first full system image of Astaroth yesterday.

Ben N

Hm, I should probably do that for this laptop for ease of restoration

bwDraco

Problem is that system images are deprecated. I'd rather not have to use a third-party tool for backups.

Journeyman Geek

00:52

(I was having issues keeping them consistant cause updating the remote copy was not working well. Ended up throwing some basic QOS settings on my router that seem to have done wonders)

FML Cat

01:09

Want to change your room lighting brightness because the drugs are wearing off and your mood is changing, but can't because your smart lighting hub is performing a firmware update. #FirstWorldProblems

Journeyman Geek

02:25

@allquixotic dude, I know you like backups so I backed up my backups

Ugh so tired

allquixotic

05:35

@Bob games in a bit?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob kinda got gntp send setup, though apparently the toasts arn't sticky

ah sorted

\o/

allquixotic

lol, I love that your use case is downloading ISOs

did you specifically select ISOs for an example (And actually download other things) or is that all you download with Qbittorrent?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic livecds are good for testing cause they download very fast

and cough, Its entirely legal ;p

allquixotic

nice way to answer my question

Journeyman Geek

05:50

also, erm, you don't expect me to share that I downloaded say "TVSHOW.YYYY.1080p.miscotherinformation.ext" do you? ;p

allquixotic

unless you use a VPN, you already do share that

Journeyman Geek

well, true

there's "eh, no one's looking" and there "eh LOOK AT ME, I'm A PIRATE" ;p

here, I wanted to share it worked sooooo ;p

(also, I'm entirely serious about livecds downloading a lot faster)

and I think I've mentioned before I basically use this client cause of its rss feed support ;p

lol

@allquixotic proper answer on gitter ;p

Michael Frank

06:25

Ugh... I've lost a whole window of tabs :|

Bob

@JourneymanGeek there's an issue for that :P

Journeyman Geek

Ah k

Works well enough for now I guess?

I need to get the matrix notification thing up too

But erf. I don't remember if I swapped it over to postgres yet and that and ttrss need to get updated.

Bob

06:42

@JourneymanGeek github.com/BobVul/GrowlToToast/issues/19

Journeyman Geek

Ah. That's what I did. Makes screenshots tricky tho

Bob

@JourneymanGeek tricky?

Journeyman Geek

Win prntscrn was what I did

Since it closed when I fired up the screenshot tool

rahuldottech

07:53

1 hour later...

allquixotic

08:22

30 minutes later...

rahuldottech

2 minutes later...

allquixotic

9 minutes later...

Journeyman Geek

09:04

lol

@ChatBotJohnCavil I love that one a little too much.

@djsmiley2k I added that one. Felt oddly approproate

ANd yes, I do believe it is

user226528

10:01

@JourneymanGeek I haven't seen a more useless backup app than Bvckup. Unidirectional file synchronization without compression, hashing, integrity check or recovery record...

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand oddly enough, that's exactly what I need here

rahuldottech

@FMLCat dont do drugs

user226528

@JourneymanGeek How do you mitigate potential data corruption? Do you have separate hashing app in place?

Journeyman Geek

don't update firmware on on drugs

user226528

LOL

Journeyman Geek

10:04

@FleetCommand haven't had issues so far, and its literally meant to sync backups of my backups

user226528

People have data corruption issue only once: Before committing suicide because of it.

user226528

I intend to prevent that.

Journeyman Geek

in theory I can verify my (important) backups fairly trivially, since they're well... disk images

user226528

Great. So you do have an integrity checking measure in place. Good for you.

Journeyman Geek

so, current backup model is system level images to a smb share or a local HDD.

I'm using bvckup up sync between 3 locations with different filesets on them

user226528

10:07

Also, I am a little outdated in the profanity front. (I don't use them either.) At what point it is okay to call someone a "sick f***" and expect not to get flagged for it? (My answer is "never", of course.)

Journeyman Geek

(music's ... eh, it would just be a pain in the rear to rebuild it)

@FleetCommand never.

user226528

GOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!

Journeyman Geek

If you find someone needs to be called a sick **** you should be talking with flags

user226528

@JourneymanGeek Then I assume it is okay to bitch about the moderator that rejected the flag, right?

Journeyman Geek

hmm

see, that's a leading question

user226528

10:08

Not here of course.

Journeyman Geek

See, I literally have no context whatsoever.

user226528

Okay. Let's move on.

user226528

So, CocoonJS. It's neat, isn't it? (That's a trick question.)

Journeyman Geek

10:23

@FleetCommand also in theory, assuming the original isn't compromised - it does delta copies, which, well, implicitly anyway checks for consistancy before/during a backup run

user226528

Acronis True Image already tricked me once with the promise of such a thing.

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand hypothetically speaking...

I'd need my PC to die I'm backing up to die. Then the copy get corrupted. Then the second copy I made off the same master copy die. (And only the copies of the backups are done with bvckup)

I'm not aiming for bullet proof - I'm aiming for "make it unlikely"

user226528

Sure. Sure. I already said you've got the right tool.

Journeyman Geek

eh. Its not about the tool, its about the system as a whole

.... joy

rahuldottech

10:41

THIS EPISODE OF REPLY ALL IS SO WEIRD: gimletmedia.com/reply-all/116-the-process#episode-player (sortaaaaa NSFW)

Journeyman Geek

apparently the building I have an interview at tomorrow is so new... its a construction site on google maps and streetview

user226528

Huh. I saw this in a movie once. The guy said the exact same thing. Only the interview was really in a construction site. That's good news for you though: Things that happen in the movies almost never happen in the real life.

user226528

Waterproof computer!

Bob

11:17

@FleetCommand See, IMO, the issue is calling anyone anything. Profanity isn't the issue here. Attacking another user is.

DavidPostill

@FleetCommand No.

superuser.com/help/be-nice

> Name-calling. Focus on the post, not the person.

@FleetCommand Your last declined flags are dated Jun 29 '17. What exactly is your issue?

bertieb

I think it was elsewhere (another SE site), from what he said

Also, morning all o/

DavidPostill

@bertieb He doesn't say what site ... or that it was not SU

He said "not here" which implies it was not a flag in RA

bertieb

Ah yeah, I took that to mean another SE site, could be either

DavidPostill

11:35

Note: mods does sometimes make mistakes. Calling them "sick ****" is not a constructive way to have a discussion addressing this, or any other topic. It is likely to earn the complainant a suspension for violating "Be Nice"

When users receive a mod message for violating "Be Nice" and respond with more abuse we usually ~~laugh hysterically~~ respond with a longer suspension ...

bertieb

aye

I think he flagged someone for calling someone else that, and his flag was rejected

Buuut again I shouldn't be speaking for other folks :P

Was was just my impression from the scrollback, given his reaction etc

Journeyman Geek

11:52

@DavidPostill or nuke it.

@bertieb and that's why it's a bit of a trap.

bertieb

Aye

user226528

13:21

@DavidPostill Re messages 42922577 and 42922674. The target of that certain piece of profanity was not a mod. And the rejected flag isn't mine; I just witnessed it. And wasn't it you who said "never dig up a drama after it is ended?" So, what you doing digging one up? Journeyman Geek's answer was totally conclusive.

user226528

If you want to know what's the deal here it is: Where I grew up, a person who uses such extreme instances of profanity is stripped of all rights. (Not officially, but unofficial stuff are sometimes more scary.) I won't be surprised if the murderer or such a person is not prosecuted.

DavidPostill

"And wasn't it you who said "never dig up a drama after it is ended?" I don't recall ever saying that.

user226528

@DavidPostill Then search it! We keep records for a reason.

user226528

Okay, I came here for a computing reason... I forgot. Grrr.

DavidPostill

@FleetCommand If you want to make a claim you should substantiate it.

@FleetCommand chat.stackexchange.com/…

@FleetCommand Where you grew up is not really relevant. And what has murder got to with anything? The drama is coming from you ... ;)

Journeyman Geek

13:32

._.

1

Q: Upgrading My Personal PC

Hello i bought this pc in 2017 September expecting high performance in basic FPS games such as CS:GO but i misinterpreted the specs i was provided with. I only achieve 100 fps in a CS:GO competitive and want to raise this significantly Is anybody able to recommend parts i should replace to be abl...

"Only 100FPS"

@FleetCommand so, the things with flags is, someone needs to take a look, and go "yanno, this is the right thing". Ideally, we need to be pretty much perfect but we arn't. But to be good enough, we need to look at context and decide on the best course of action.

Does the person need a warning? A suspension? Is this guy a troll who keeps coming back?

and that's why asking "what'll I do" is .... kinda impossible to answer.

also, I think the rule I tend to use is "sort it out in the family" or "what happens in vegas stays in vegas"

user226528

@DavidPostill Found it. Message from you on 6 April 2017, 10:26 AM UTC. It reads: "Please don't bring up past non-dramas." Next message reads: "Anything you need to know will either be said in the room or privately if necessary." Complementary message reads: "the general policy here is we deal with it, and it passes on."

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand that sounds suspiciously like my wording at the last bit.

user226528

So, yeah. I was wrong. Non-dramas.

Journeyman Geek

and yes, as far as root access is concerned, that's how we typically prefer to deal with things.

user226528

And I was wrong again, David didn't say it. Journeyman Geek said.

user226528

13:36

But again, I seem to have been right a great deal: I asked "deal with what" and the response was "pretty much anything". So, dramas, non-dramas. We move on.

Journeyman Geek

yanno? I just realised I can still cast (some) flags ;p

@FleetCommand general policy here has been like that for years.

and its worked very well

user226528

Clearly.

user226528

Since I came here to ask a computing question and the deviation made me forget, I'd say you are dead right.

user226528

Alright. Let's move on.

user226528

Why are there two kinds of Universal Windows apps, one for Windows 8 and another for Windows 10?

DavidPostill

13:51

@FleetCommand See the word "non" in there? non-dramas are the opposite of dramas :)

Journeyman Geek

well, we try to turn our dramas into non dramas.

DavidPostill

I still want to know how profanity leads to murder ...

user226528

Well, try reading Harry Potter.

DavidPostill

@FleetCommand And the connection to where you grew up is? Are you a fictional harry potter character? ;)

user226528

LOL

user226528

14:00

I like you. Good mod, having a sense of humor, sometimes childish, and a slight resemblance to Jason Statham.

DavidPostill

@FleetCommand Are you referring to the Killing Curse | Harry Potter Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia?

user226528

No.

user226528

But, boy, Voldemort would be in serious trouble if he somehow ended up in Final Fantasy world.

user226528

I mean he kills someone and the next day, he sees that person alive and well, walking down the street.

DavidPostill

@FleetCommand I refer you to one of my standard comments

> I am neither psychic nor a mind reader and I don't like guessing games.

user226528

14:04

Well, when I tell you "try reading Harry Potter", it is probably because the answer would probably take as long as a book like Harry Potter.

user226528

And there is no cheating it.

DavidPostill

Well I've read most of them (a long time ago) and I still don't get your point.

user226528

-"Hey, I wanna learn C#."
-"Try reading C# for Dummies."
-"I am neither psychic nor a mind reader and I don't like guessing games."
-"Irrelevant. Reading C# for Dummies is what it takes to know C#."

user226528

The point is that sometimes profanity can lead to murder. What it takes to know how is either reading the boring court cases, or luckily for you, reading Harry Potter, which is actually fun.

user226528

And then, since you live in United Kingdom, there is a difference between murder and manslaughter. Provocation can sometimes change murder into manslaughter and profanity's purpose is provocation.

Journeyman Geek

14:09

not quite seeing where this is headed....

DavidPostill

Hmm. I grew up somewhere / In that location someone who swears is stripped of all rights / The murderer is not prosecuted / Explained somewhere in a Harry Potter novel.

Does not compute

Journeyman Geek

ooh, he's a time traveller from... Demolition man!

user226528

Okay, everything you said up to "does not compute" was exactly what I meant.

user226528

So, communication successful; message delivery failed.

DavidPostill

lol. communication failed as I don't understand the message ...

user226528

14:12

Alright, FleetCommand triggering E_Exception_Argument_Not_Strong_Enough.

Bob

why is it so hard to find a SATA power extension cable

user226528

God, you said it!

user226528

The other day, I had to use two conversion cables instead.

user226528

I bought a Molex connector extension cable and a SATA power adapter.

Bob

@FleetCommand The PSU I'm working with doesn't have a molex (4-pin/peripheral) connector

It's one of those Dell PSUs :\

Journeyman Geek

14:17

eww

I've worked with those

DavidPostill

@Bob 30 cm not enough for you?

amazon.co.uk/0-3M-Internal-Power-Extension-Cable/dp/B0021VAAGU

Bob

@DavidPostill if they sold them here...

the only things I can find are those dodgy splitters, 20cm

user226528

> No sellers are currently delivering this item to the United States.

user226528

I hope you are not in U.S.

Bob

AU

but yea, I'll probably just have to daisy-chain splitters

ugh

the last splitter I tried was so bad it couldn't reliably deliver power to a single drive

user226528

14:19

This is how I did it:

user226528

amazon.co.uk/Cable-Matters%C2%AE-Molex-Y-Cable-Adapter/dp/…

DavidPostill

@Bob lindy.com.au/slimline-sata-extension-cable-0-5m

0.5 meters

Bob

@DavidPostill I'd sooner buy a new PSU than pay that much for a cable :P (which also includes a data connection I won't need)

a new PSU probably isn't the worst idea either

pretty sure there's a cheapo-probably-won't-explode for ~$40

Journeyman Geek

@Bob the new PSU probably will be a lot less painful

DavidPostill

@Bob auspcmarket.com.au/15cm-sata-power-extension-cable 15 cm $8.91

Bob

14:22

@DavidPostill ya, that's too short :P

I appreciate you looking but I'm reasonably sure I'm chasing a unicorn here

@JourneymanGeek until it burns the house down, I guess

Journeyman Geek

@Bob ehhh

Bob

I wonder what the cheapest PSU I can get is

Journeyman Geek

I've never had that happen

shocked? yes. Had one blow up, yes.

Bob

vtechindustries.com.au/catalog/product/view/id/50914/category/…

Journeyman Geek

I think the cheapest one I saw here's an andyson ;p

but but

Bob

14:24

that sounds like a very bad idea

DavidPostill

@Bob shrug you haven't specified how long the cable needs to be ...

Bob

6 mins ago, by Bob

the only things I can find are those dodgy splitters, 20cm

:P

@JourneymanGeek I'm almost tempted to buy one just to open it up

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bob to be honest, the shitty ones look better than the ones I used to get

yanno those oldschool grey tetnus traps

Bob

@JourneymanGeek at least those didn't waste money on paint :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

14:27

@DavidPostill tbh it was more a gripe over the difficulty

Journeyman Geek

or ventilation for the magic smoke to escape quickly

Bob

Huh. megabuy.com.au/…

A Corsair-branded (granted, dodgy still) PSU can be had for $42

That's ... acceptable

Journeyman Geek

vtechindustries.com.au/computer-hardware/power-supplies/huntkey/…

this looks proper dodgy

user226528

Dodgy, because it avoids being looked at.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek but... it costs more! o.O

Journeyman Geek

14:29

0_0

Bob

@JourneymanGeek also it doesn't really look dodgy yet

DavidPostill

@Bob mwave.com.au/product/… $10.98 30cm

user226528

Ooooh! This one looks like one of those things I that spend one hour thinking I definitely want: megabuy.com.au/corsair-cc-9011052-ww-spec-03-case-p551315.html

DavidPostill

And if you are too broke to spend $11 I give up.

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill or whether its worth the effort

Bob

14:32

@DavidPostill lol, that might actually be an option

DavidPostill

today's carp question:

-1

Q: What are the years of creation of NAT and BRIDGED networks?

What are the years of creation of NAT and BRIDGED networks? I know that NAT was developed in 1994.

networking

Bob

still sits somewhere below "try another splitter" and "get new PSU" though

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill now, if only someone handed you a big hammer...

DavidPostill

lol. already closed.

Bob

(cause it's a choice between $10 shipping or driving 2hr return)

Journeyman Geek

14:34

@Bob new psu

user226528

There is no such thing as "bridged network", except in virtualization.

Bob

@FleetCommand brctl says otherwise

user226528

We have network bridges and bridged networks!

user226528

Plural.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Here's a proper old PSU:

user226528

14:36

@Bob Fine, I submit to the wisdom of brctl

Journeyman Geek

ah hah!

Bob

DavidPostill

@FleetCommand I suspect he is referring to a bridged router.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I have one of these in my spares box I think coolermaster.com/powersupply/elite-power/elite-power-400w

DavidPostill

@Bob You really have that many failed PSUs? :)

Bob

14:39

yea that $42 VS350 is looking mighty tempting

Journeyman Geek

server PSUs too I think ;p

Bob

> 80 PLUS Certification Level White

... what?

Journeyman Geek

I WANT LEVEL PAUCE!

Bob

> It's the standard 80+ certification. 1 tier below bronze.

o.O

Bob

15:23

defalt

user the8472 has contributed alot towards BitTorrent protocol..I traced him with his same username on some sites..The BitTorrent Inc. even accepted his Enhancement proposals but they never implemented it..I think he is better than them

rahuldottech

STARZ PLZ ^

3

djsmiley2k

15:58

i tried to read the backlog, my brain is foobar

Bob

16:30

@djsmiley2k baz?

djsmiley2k

I feel like baz :P

Bob

16:50

@djsmiley2k but do you quux?

djsmiley2k

o_O

jnow you lost me

rahuldottech

17:30

Apple is selling an exclusive $99 Colgate toothbrush now {Apple Store Link}

djsmiley2k

@rahuldottech If you're stuck, you can "Get help buying. Chat now or call 1-800-MY-APPLE."

rahuldottech

> ... A small head ...

bertieb

TWSS

@djsmiley2k Next metasyntactic variable

djsmiley2k

dear lord

slashdot is all a hulu about programmers

first it's junior programming jobs don't exist

then it's 'why isn't basic on every phone/tablet'

then it's 'silicon valley programmers can't find love'

lul

bertieb

/. ain't what it used to be

djsmiley2k

17:42

well, yeah that too

then it's 'programming is too hard'

it's more approachable now than ever before

rahuldottech

@bertieb /. not ./

bertieb

(↑ is incidentally a valid statement for any time after it first went live, depending on who you ask)

djsmiley2k

you can write working code, IN YOUR BROWSER.

lol, no it's not

bertieb

@rahuldottech Cheers, but gimme time to edit, man :P

djsmiley2k

Maybe the stupid 'everyone needs to be a programmer' of the last 5 years, has already dried up all the junior programming jobs? XD

bertieb

17:44

Working on command line my brain autocompletes a dot and a slash to the more commonly used one :P

djsmiley2k

hehe

that fatboyslim song that goes 'slashdotdashdotdashdotcom' or whatever

I always used to hear it and start thinking (in the club) "is it ./ or /.?"

I would literally be like:

hmmm

I need a plugin for the google image view button :D

bertieb

right click → open image in new tab?

djsmiley2k

it isn't a link

rahuldottech

@djsmiley2k there is one

bertieb

Doesn't need to be a link, any <img ..> will do

djsmiley2k

17:51

it's not img either

there's no url any more

go check

rahuldottech

github.com/devunt/make-gis-great-again

2

@djsmiley2k @bertieb @EVERYONE

djsmiley2k

> data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxMTEhUTExIW.....

ty @rahuldottech

bertieb

Is this only for some images?

djsmiley2k

a github as well is nice

@bertieb nope

did u miss the news

they changed it because getty images were kicking off about copyright

bertieb

Because for a random* selection of images in GIS open image in new tab still works for me

djsmiley2k

17:53

so now the 'view image' button in image search is gone

bertieb

*(not random)

djsmiley2k

hmmm ok let me try that

bertieb

I did not miss the news :P

yesterday, by bertieb

I was a bit confused by why Google image search had changed earlier today, didn't realise it was to appease Getty

djsmiley2k

ah hah, nice

@bertieb amusing fact, more people will now use google image search, who had never even heard of it before

bertieb

Ah, that reaction jpg you say

djsmiley2k

17:55

Or never realised what it did

bertieb

There are people who don't know about GIS?!?!11one!

(I mean, I know there are, there are people who use Yahoo to search for Google and whatnot)

djsmiley2k

lol

So yeah, well played getty, you idiots.

bertieb

But yeah, I'm surpised Google caved on that one

rahuldottech

@bertieb Bing's number one search is "Google"

bertieb

My point exactly

Although I reckon that's quite possibly a holdover from when Ballmer was still CEO

djsmiley2k

17:56

@rahuldottech The wonders of being a address bar search engine, on the worlds largest browser that comes preinstalled on the worlds largest installed base O/S eh?

bertieb

cf tomraftery.com/2005/09/05/… etc

And since we're one the subject we can't have a mention of him without any one of the fun videos

Steve Ballmer: Developers

►

rahuldottech

> worlds largest browser

*cough*

@bertieb LMAO

bertieb

Or, the remix, natch

Developers

►

To be fair to Steve Ballmer, I think he was pretty self-aware of these things

Witness

Microsoft Windows 1.0 with Steve Ballmer (1986)

►

But yeah, I reckon it's all an attempt to get him to throw another chair

djsmiley2k

@rahuldottech take the whole thing with a pinch of salt, in context

on preinstalled O/S's

in the lifetime of computing, how many devices has windows been installed on?

I think it likely still outstrips everything else, even android and apple together maybe

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Eleventy muh, billion?

djsmiley2k

18:00

meaning overall, IE/Edge have had the most installs

;D

bertieb

Oh man, I have "Developers developers developers developers" stuck in my head now

Thanks very much, whoever linked that 👍

djsmiley2k

I had it in my head without even playing the video :P

bertieb

Hah :P

djsmiley2k

Also.... you did! :P

bertieb

Yerrr, a costly tactical and strategic blunder on my part

Anyway, off to start a land war in Asia or go up against with a Sicilian when death is on the line

Or maybe reconcile my accounts

djsmiley2k

18:10

;D

soooo i finished moving my credit around

and need to close the credit card

cept.... it's either sign up to the online banking to do so (lame, annoying), cal them to do so (lame, annoying), or forget it exists (kinda stupid?)

rahuldottech

18:25

Does anyone here have experience with Al-Gore-ithms?

:P

djsmiley2k

o_O

like know knowns, and known unknowns, and unknown unknowns ?

bertieb

@djsmiley2k That was Rummy :P

rahuldottech

Al Gore

Albert Arnold Gore Jr. (born March 31, 1948) is an American politician and environmentalist who served as the 45th Vice President of the United States from 1993 to 2001. Gore was Bill Clinton's running mate in their successful campaign in 1992, and the pair was re-elected in 1996. Near the end of Clinton's second term, Gore was selected as the Democratic nominee for the 2000 presidential election but did not win the election. After his term as vice-president ended in 2001, Gore remained prominent as an author and environmental activist, whose work in climate change activism earned him (jointly...

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Is there a form letter from eg MSE you could print out and sign and send (downside: postage cost)

djsmiley2k

Oh I could do that

tbh signing up to the online banking is prob easy, I've just not tried yet.

bertieb

18:27

Dear XYZ CC Company Ltd, i r haz close account, kthxbai

@djsmiley2k Famous last words :P

djsmiley2k

@bertieb 'Dear Company, Tim Post's Keys opened this account, plz close kthxbai.'

bertieb

Starred for the inevitable "why do I have to call two (!!) different teams to get this activated!"

Heh :P

djsmiley2k

> Nil Current balance

woo

LOL that site so dumb

you search for close credit card

bwDraco

lol

djsmiley2k

'please call us to close credit card account' - ok fine

then it goes 'did this help?' - yes

did it save you from having to call us - no

Why did you have to call us? - none of the options listed are 'because you told me to'

bwDraco

18:43

Bleh, support feedback systems are like this. They need the information to understand how useful the support services are but they don't account for every possibility.

djsmiley2k

nod

rahuldottech

19:28