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12:00 AM

i've been drinking beer, does that count? ;)

If we change from a monarchy, they'd have to change all our money again. :|

lol, that's a good point

aren't you changing your flag?

we just started printing a new note design

No, we firmly did not want to change flags.

Even when they put the design that was left out of the pick back in.

Also, Laser Kiwi was not an option.

12:01 AM

lol

The Red Peak flag (also called First to the Light) is a proposed New Zealand flag that appeared as one of five options for voters to consider in the 2015–16 flag referendums. Designed by Aaron Dustin in 2015, Red Peak appeared on the government's official longlist of 40 alternative flag designs before failing a final culling of the field on 1 September 2015 to four options. After public disappointment with the official four-flag shortlist, a social media campaign was launched on 2 September that revived the flag's prospects and captured the attention of leading parliamentary figures both in...

Righty, past my bedtime as it's exam o'clock soon, nn all o/

i remember hearing ages ago that there was a movement to get NZ converted to a state of australia

that is a shit design

it doesn't even have the fracking kiwi or frodo on it

!!s/st.*/fruits/ 42843516

It also makes a swastika if you rotate it around one of the corners

ChatBot John Cavil

12:03 AM

@FMLCat it doefruitsn't even have the fracking kiwi or frodo on it (source)

@FMLCat i thought all kiwifruits were staunch republicians (source)

@FMLCat i thought all kiwis were fruits (source)

Damn lag

@Burgi thewireless.co.nz/system/production/content_images/images/000/…

also quick question of a serious and personal nature (based on the fact that is valentines day tomorrrow). is NZ in the latest six nations?

Isn't Six Nations a UK thing?

idk

12:05 AM

Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England... France... ???

egg chasing does not consume enough petrol to retain my interest

Ahh, here we go:

The Six Nations Championship is an annual international rugby union competition between the teams of England, France, Ireland, Italy, Scotland and Wales.

ah

this will explain the reason that my GF has barely mentioned egg chasing

she does want to go to japan for the world cup though

dude, seriously, i've even made fracking notes on the silly egg chasing

wasted brownie points

i should claim them back from the NZ government or something

12:21 AM

It's a bit racist to assume all new zealanders must be egg chasers don't you think?

12:42 AM

shrugs

i admit some of them might be ring chasers.... ;)

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wait

egg chasing?

@JourneymanGeek rugby

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:(

I assumed its a bit like those nutters who chase wheels of cheese down hills

lol

ok i've hedged my bets

i've ordered flowers to my GF's school

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i've also ordered a small bunch of flowers to her house incase the ones to her work go walkies

NOT THAT I LOVE HER OR ANYTHING SOPPY LIKE THAT

She's still at school???

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12:55 AM

shes a teacher

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@FMLCat teacher not student.

Phew

how is the soberity holding up btw?

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@Burgi I think we're made a case for being "tired and emotional" not meaning an instakick ;p

ah ok

in other news... i discovered i can send flowers to every school in manchester for a mere £2050

12:58 AM

What about drug-induced psychosis?

heh... Star wall context ftw

!!s/school/schoolgirl/

ChatBot John Cavil

@FMLCat in other news... i discovered i can send flowers to every schoolgirl in manchester for a mere £2050 (source)

@FMLCat hey! leave my fetishes out of this!

I knew it! That's why you're dating a school"teacher"

1:00 AM

lol :)

It's like a gateway drug to school-non-teachers

It's a slippery slope that will lead to substitute teachers, TAs and shudder headmasters

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or headmistresses

Then one day you find yourself in bed with an exam board inspector and then it dawns on you... you need help. And you join schoolmistressholics anonymous.

@Burgi One of those people that have a mistress for every position, huh?

@FMLCat sounds ok to me

@MichaelFrank heh

1:10 AM

@Burgi Not after they've run off with the last remnants of your soul

i think that is marriage?

1:37 AM

is @Burgi getting married?

hell no

C'mon man... why you gotta say that the day before Valentine's Day?

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2:12 AM

cause romance is dead. Netcraft confirms it.

unrelatedly....

newyorker.com/magazine/2018/02/12/why-paper-jams-persist

2:41 AM

gamersnexus.net/industry/…

Oops.

(Newegg sold Raven Ridge APUs above MSRP, is refunding customers the difference)

2:53 AM

...eh

if people bought at that price, they were willing to pay it

there's absolutely nothing wrong here

apart from PR, perhaps

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also those sort of refunds are pretty standard, if say, there's a price drop

@JourneymanGeek not really, depends a lot on the store

Yeah. Also, once again, Newegg's first shipment of Ryzen 5 2400G processors sold out within hours of launch.

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@Bob I mean, its not a huge deal

Best Buy will honor the lower price if it drops during the return window.

B&H does, too.

I'm pretty sure a lot of other stores do similar price adjustments.

2:58 AM

> once again

though I do wonder what the actual # is

FWIW, I'm not surprised they sold out even at $190. It's the fastest desktop single-chip CPU+GPU processor they've ever made.

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well, I suspect initial launches are pretty small

"sold out" could mean anywhere from "they had 1 in stock and it was sold out" to "they had 10,000 in stock and sold out" to "they had 10,000,000 in stock and sold out"

each of which tells a different story

AMD has been manufacturing Raven Ridge chips for mobile for the past several months.

I'm more curious to know how many were sold, if you're talking popularity

If you're talking inability to buy one, then ... yea, it's sold out

@bwDraco Then what's their production rate? And how many of those went to OEMs?

3:02 AM

It's back in stock now. I suspect it wasn't really sold out; instead, Newegg was probably holding back some stock to give later buyers a fair shot at getting one.

@Bob I think the initial production was fairly low, with a gradual ramp-up. There's only one OEM currently shipping a Ryzen APU.

I'm expecting a nontrivial number but not anything particularly high for a relatively untested chip (read: they weren't sure of demand so probably erred on the side of lacking supply)

(though retail availability of this one model of laptop was actually quite good; quite a few Best Buy stores had display units)

It's also not necessarily under the manufacturer's control.

Even if the manufacturer thinks it'll do well, if the retailer thinks it won't then they won't have much in stock.

So ... ya ... if talking popularity then 'sold out' could mean just about anything.

"Exceeds expectations" perhaps, for the HP fans :P

I'm not sure how many HP ENVY x360 15z units were sold. Accurate sales numbers are very hard to get.

(the "z" in "15z" is the important part - this designates an AMD system in HP nomenclature; Intel systems are designated "t" here)

...though it does not look like it's isolated to Newegg. Amazon is backordered on the Ryzen 5 2400G: amazon.com/AMD-YD2400C5FBBOX-Processor-Radeon-Graphics/dp/…

> In stock on February 16, 2018.

@bwDraco yea that'll be because Amazon didn't stock enough. They've obviously got enough of them stashed in a warehouse somewhere.

3:11 AM

It seems like AMD has not shipped all of their supply to retailers just yet.

oh my.

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Q: Password protecting folder in windows using a .bat/ .exe file: is it such a bad practice?

I have been browsing the internet looking for simple ways to password protect a folder in Windows 7 without any extra software nor BitLocker. I have found several places that state that using a .bat file (and then converting it to an .exe file to avoid people opening it in a text editor and maki...

This is painful: google.com/…

Wat.

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3:26 AM

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4:48 AM

hi

5:12 AM

Don't be nervous about the robots, be nervous about the people with the resources to build them.

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hm

Looks like SE's dropping support for openid (and going oauth2 only)

so, there's no reason for me to set up an openid provider again at all

5:41 AM

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Q: The Cucumber Paradox

Suppose you have 100 lbs of cucumbers and these cucumbers consist of 99% water. You decide to leave the cucumbers in the sun for a while until they consist of 98% water. You bring the cucumbers back in, and you think, "Now the cucumbers should weigh a little less than they were before, right?" Bu...

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@JourneymanGeek bleh. wouldn't that only work with specific providers, then?

@JourneymanGeek wait where does it say that?

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@Bob one moment! Out of band sources

I did a bunch of research today on removing OpenID support on Stack Overflow (and our entire network). After seeing the data, I'm convinced it's the right path forward. More talking tomorrow.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on February 13, 2018 at 11:57 PM

There's a few other related tweets

@JourneymanGeek Oh. I was searching MSE

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@Bob Nick's kinda useful to stalk for "early" warning of changes in stuff like that ;p

@JourneymanGeek brb stalking nick

@JourneymanGeek always a fun read arstechnica.com/staff/2015/02/… :P

I wonder how many more magic rocks this guy has actually sold

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5:58 AM

lol

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I've ... never seen that photo before

gotta be taking the piss ... right?

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I wish

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> Bio Mikro G Isolation Stand

that's ... a cutting board

bamboo, if I'm not mistaken

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Yup

ikea?

$5 at your local asian grocer :P

@JourneymanGeek ikea ones don't have that channel I think

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6:00 AM

is it audiophile grade bamboo, harvested by nude virgins in the new moon in the depths of winter?

@JourneymanGeek ... can I watch? :P

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@Bob apparently do

@Bob no. It ruins the purity of the sound.

@JourneymanGeek ah, our ikea ones were just plain slabs with slightly angled edges

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very high attrition rates. Lots of frozen lasses.

> (I can only imagine the improvements that an audiophile reviewer would hear if they were to replace their Netgear switch with, say, a $250,000 Cisco datacenter-class switch. I mean, if you’re willing to pay $10,000 for just your cables, shouldn’t you be spending just as much on your switch?)

thinking about that for a second, the irony is the fan noise would probably ruin said listening experience

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6:04 AM

would you even want a switch?

you clearly just want audiophile grade ethernet cables

with audiophile grade ethernet cards with capasitors the size of a soda can

@JourneymanGeek and I just had to click through to the review

oh. wow.

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and eh

it's not even ethernet from player to output device sending an audio stream

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if you're going to spend any money on audio, it really ought to be on the analog side

it's ethernet from storage to player

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6:09 AM

@Bob lol

y'know ... like, copying files

files you could just ... leave on the player device

files you can ... checksum and confirm are bit-perfect matches

the saddest thing is whoever wrote this seems to have some understanding of how things work but still believes it

that, or it's satire

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lol

We doing ridiculous audiophile products again?

@MichaelFrank they're fun

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alas, I have a setup I am insanely happy with ;p

(other than I'd need to replace my usb sound card when it dies, eventually)

6:17 AM

oh my. enjoythemusic.com/hificritic/vol5_no3/listening_to_storage.htm

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.....

> QNAP1 was found to serve up music with a similar level of rhythmic drive and image soundstaging as a good CD transport playing directly into our system's DAC. If anything, there was perceptibly more 'drive', in the sense of bass euphony and articulation, but this came with increased level which made the sound a tad bass heavy.

QNAP2 rendered the same song more tunefully. It was more organic and made more sense, the lines of melody and rhythm cooperating better. As well as showing better individual instrument distinction, the whole piece sounded tidier, tonally less messy without the roug…

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> That hint of glaze on QNAP1 also showed an impaired subjective noise floor elsewhere. In hi-ﬁ parlance, QNAP2 had the blacker silences and deeper spaces between notes. If anything, this track highlighted a fundamental shift in timbre between the storage sources. This wasn't the gentle tweak of a DAC's digital filter option; we felt it was more akin to changing loudspeakers. System sound was improved as if the DAC itself had been upgraded, say from a £500 to a £2000 model.

I ... ok.

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What the cat is "glaze"?

6:20 AM

pwbelectronics.co.uk/product/cream/cream.html

> Apply a thin coating of Cream-Electret to both sides of a Compact Disc.

mhmm...

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....

I'm sure that the stuff that comes out a male dog standing on 3 legs has more of an effect.

> polarised cream

wat

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> To initially apply the cream and remove any surplus, we recommend the use of a plain white cloth or paper tissue, which have been enhanced by either a black dot applied to the centre of the cloth or tissue or a strip of P.W.B. Rainbow Foil attached to any part of the cloth or tissue. This is known as a "Super Wipe".

this... kinda passes into the sort of thinking that suggests music sounds better when you're hanging upside down over a pit of spikes...

I bet there's someone giggling away to themselves while seeing how far they can go and still manage to sell things.

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pwbelectronics.co.uk/product/Black_Cream/…

6:22 AM

> It will be found to be more economically effective to apply Cream-Electret to all the fuses within the mains plugs of all electrical appliances throughout a building

> The Cream is an emulsification of oil and water. It should therefore be kept away from electrical contacts.

I ... have questions.

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> We also recommend that the magnetic stripes on credit cards and similar devices should have a tiny amount of the P.W.B. Special Black Cream applied to the magnetic stripes. All surplus Cream should be removed with either a paper handkerchief or a cloth.

... wait what?

jira.lineageos.org/browse/REGRESSION-1517

Finally managed to update my phone without losing data.

...and without permissions problems preventing apps from accessing phone storage.

Dec 21 '17 at 18:21, by bwDraco

The latest version of LineageOS broke file permissions, preventing most apps from accessing user data. I'm trying to revert.

rofl

6:39 AM

Network classes are dead, killed in 1993 by RFCs 1517, 1518, and 1519, Which defined CIDR (Classless Inter-Domain Routing). Modern networking doesn't use network classes. Please let them rest in peace. — Ron Maupin ♦ 7 hours ago

> Please let them rest in peace.

LOL

@JourneymanGeek Cashier: "Is your card.... lubed?"

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Q: Can you see me?

Recently someone had told me about this browser. It is supposed to make me completely anonymous which I prefer to stay online. I'm not asking to be hacked, but can someone here test it and tell me what they can see about my connection anonymity? I would give you more details, but the less you ...

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@_@

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Q: PC crashing after cpu detached from cooling source

I detached CPU cooler from the processor, took the processor out for examination & installed it back. However, I didn’t apply a thermal paste in between, and left the old dry substance that was between cpu & a cooling medium as is. Now my PC crashes randomly, even sometimes before or during boot...

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not sure if troll

especially considering the self-answer

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@Bob I have an opinion...

6:44 AM

I can never tell if these websites are real or not...

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... that's half the fun

I need to spend more time browsing the main site.

however, I do firmly believe that some plastic wrapped around your power cord is not going to do anything.

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do you? ;p

but but

6:45 AM

@MichaelFrank well, if taping magic rocks to your connectors help, there's no reason wrapping plastic around them won't

@Bob heh... magic silicon rocks?

I've got a very long agenda these next few days cleaning up as I prepare for Chinese New Year.

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see need means a specific thing ;p

I think most of us at most have a tab open (out of a few thousand for bob) and pop in at random ;p

@JourneymanGeek erm... I just open a new tab :P

and occasionally close the older ones if I notice them

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;p

Kinda the point I was trying to make ;p

6:57 AM

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Q: Command line usage with dyslexia

I am new to Linux, and being dyslexic, find working from a command line a challenge. What aids or advice is available to help work with this issue?

command-line accessibility

@JourneymanGeek ^

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practice practice practice? ;p

7:47 AM

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I think someone broke a thermometer

pretty sure it wasn't that hot...

I have a question that is (I think) too vague for the site, but pretty simple if anyone has had experience:

I'm considering getting a 4K monitor. I have checked and I know my MacBook Pro will support 4K, and I'm also certain my work laptop won't.

What I'm wondering is, assuming the cables can hook up at all, can the 4K monitor be used with my work laptop more or less as though it were a standard definition 1920x1080 screen?

(With lower resolution, obviously, but no other bad effects?)

Or should I just downgrade my expectations and get a lower-res monitor that my work laptop can fully utilize, even though it's below the capabilities of my MBP?

@Wildcard depends on the monitor but I think most are happy to stretch

@Wildcard what is this laptop?

would have to be pretty old...

@Bob well, I have a PoS right now, but I'm hoping for an upgrade soon.

The one I have is VGA only...speaking of which, is it even possibly to turn VGA output from a laptop into HDMI input for a screen? :D

@Wildcard uhhhh. you'd need an active converter

(I have an HP ProBook 6470b.)

7:56 AM

not cheap

if you had at least HDMI out it'd be easier

@Bob yeah, nope. Actually, I don't even know what year this laptop is, but it's at best a 2015 model. Probably 2013 or earlier. VGA only.

But, I am requesting a hardware upgrade...which I have decent hopes of getting. :)

Pretty sure the upgrade won't give me a laptop that supports 4K, but I'm hoping I'll have HDMI output, or at least DVI.

I don't suppose DVI output can be converted to HDMI input without an active converter, either?

Or can it?

@Bob this is really good news, anyway. So then when I get approved for the laptop upgrade, then I may spring for the 4K monitor and start using it right away for my MBP. That would be nice. :)

@Bob Actually, the price on amazon.com/GANA-Converter-monitors-displayers-Computer/dp/… doesn't look too bad. (I mean, by comparison with a 4K monitor.) Is that the range you were thinking of when you said "not cheap"?

@Wildcard VGA only is probably older than that

2012 apparently... I'd still have expected HDMI by then

@Bob Yep, 2012 it is, judging from the pictures in this review (which match my laptop exactly): notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-ProBook-6470b-Notebook.86802.0.html

@Wildcard DVI just needs a passive adapter

@Wildcard laptops don't have DVI out. The decent ones will have DP out. The poorer ones will have HDMI out.

@Wildcard ... if it actually works, that's cheaper than I expeced

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@Wildcard yes

Well kinda

most 4k monitors would be HDMI and DP

@Bob ugh, the temp gig I was mentiioning might be 3 months, not 6

:(

8:10 AM

:\

3 is better than none, no?

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on the other hand, I suppose its "datacentre experience" and its a pretty big client

yup

(I have one that does 1080p with VGA and 4k over HDMI 2.0 and DP but its a slightly strange one)

@Bob the reviews look convincing enough to try it for $10. I'll give it a go. (Seems all the bad reviews give no details at all, leaving me to wonder whether those people thought it was HDMI to VGA rather than the reverse. The good reviews are detailed.)

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(@Wildcard I have one that does 1080p with VGA and 4k over HDMI 2.0 and DP but its a slightly strange one). 4k on older machines... just isn't worth it. Definately would want an active converter

@JourneymanGeek right. For the work computer, I just care about the SIZE of the monitor, not the resolution so much. The built-in screen is horribly, annoyingly tiny and hard to get work done on. I'd be happy with a Dell P2717H if I already had one (I have the 24 inch model of the same exact thing at work), but I don't want to spring for that much for a monitor that's lower res than my personal MBP.

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ah!

I'm running a P2715Q as my main one

its lovely

8:15 AM

Yeah, they're nice. Just, I would never have any reason to use it with my personal computer. So it would feel like a silly purchase.

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hah.

I use it for silly things. I even have a post about it here.

@Wildcard As I said, most monitors are fine stretching lower-res input.

Can't remember one that isn't, actually.

I'd rather spend ~$550 and get a really nice monitor than spend ~$280 and get a mediumly good monitor. :)

@JourneymanGeek o.O wasn't it P2715Q?

@Bob Awesome. In that case I'll just jump, whether I can get a work laptop upgrade or not.

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8:16 AM

er, yes

@Bob annnnnnnnnnd local laws.

<== same primary monitor as @JourneymanGeek ... I think

@Wildcard I'd test for you but unfortunately IIRC Win10 tries to use native monitor res even if you set it lower in settings

there was some way around it...

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I'd test if I had an adaptor

I could even dig up a period appropriate system

@Bob well, fortunately for me, I'm using Windows 7 on my work laptop. Although if it gets upgraded, who knows....

@Bob yeah, I just thought I'd better check, since I have zero experience with 4K.

Like when HDMI first came on the scene and I had no idea that it could also carry sound. :D

Yea... changing it in Settings still sends 3840x2160 over the wire

But changing it in Display Adapter (driver) properties sends 1920x1080 over the wire

so I can confirm the P2715Q is happy stretching a 1080p signal over mDP

looks terrible, but that's probably just my DPI scaling still at 150% :P

but it does mean subpixel rendering doesn't work so well

8:21 AM

@Bob How can you tell?

@Wildcard monitor settings tells me :P

@Bob Sorry, what does "subpixel rendering" mean? That's not like anti-aliasing...?

@Bob :P

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@Bob Thanks!

@Bob Ooh, interesting. That was one of the two 4K monitors I was looking at! Didn't realize at first (I think you edited in the Q in your first message).

@Bob The ones I was (am) considering, are the P2715Q, and the U2718Q.

It's hard to really get a sense of what's different between them.

@bwDraco that took awhile to fix :/

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8:26 AM

@Wildcard thinner bezels and wider dynamic range

the U2718Q is newer ;p

Cool. So, no hard spec differences like different ports or one rotates and one doesn't?

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err,

ports look the same

I like thin bezels, anyway. ;)

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the P and U line both have dell's insanely flexible mounts

I actually think the P2715Q has more USB ports

@JourneymanGeek where did you find the exact port info, anyway?

@JourneymanGeek oh?

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8:28 AM

ah no

both have 4

my bad

dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-27-4k-monitor-u2718q/apd/…

tech specs

oh

some older P2715qs don't do 4k60 over HDMI

@JourneymanGeek Aha, thanks.

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(but that's a nice thing about my secondary monitor ;p)

@JourneymanGeek I have the U2417H... has one HDMI (hence the H), but is the 24" super thin, almost no bezel monitor, whereas the P has awful bezels and isn't quite as pretty to look at

Ultrasharp would be my first choice if you hve the money

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@allquixotic my other monitor is very ugly ;p

@allquixotic $50 difference or so. Hmmm.

@allquixotic this review rather tends to scare me off of the Ultrasharp: amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R241SKYJ7DUVA0/…

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8:35 AM

@Wildcard ehhh

caliberation devices vary

and if you're super serious, you need to caliberate the caliberator every so often.

My old workplace did grading, and they quite literally insisted on a specific model of caliberator.

Thanks, that actually helps. And I see that guy is a photographer, which makes a difference.

photographers will freak out over the smallest imperfections in a monitor

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for most mere mortals, eh. ;p

kinda silly imo (although perhaps they "need" that for their "job", can someone actually perceive such differences enough to impact their work?)

@allquixotic in fairness to photographers, a couple reviews further down there is a wedding photographer who gave it 5 stars and said, "Sure, there are more accurate monitors out there, but for a hefty premium with diminishing returns."

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8:39 AM

hah!

@allquixotic in my old job, they needed seriously consistant colours

not accurate. consistant. So you would have 4-5 different people working on the same thing

@Wildcard I can tell you, with the default colour settings, the P2715Q's... very nice ;p

all I did was turn down the brightness to about 32% I think

Cool. I think I'll go with the Ultrasharp. U2718Q. I like the look of it.

Thanks very much for the help and advice! :)

@JourneymanGeek what's your secondary monitor?

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@Wildcard a crossover 289K

??

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@Wildcard cheapish korean 4k/TN monitor

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A: 28" TFT for under $350

I was assuming you're pretty much going to have to get a TV at that price, and you might be running at a lower refresh rate. You're going to need to do some comparison shopping for your local market, but currently retailers seem to be selling off the 35 inch SE39UY04 at around 350-400 USD - see ...

I have a review here

@JourneymanGeek Thanks!

I didn't even know about hardware recs, but I think I got better advice here than I could have gotten in that format anyway.

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8:48 AM

@Wildcard they're kinda genericish, so you might end up finding something with similar specs from another vendor.

@Wildcard Pretty similar but the U has a better contrast ratio, faster panel response time, and higher colour accuracy. Of those, you'll probably notice none of them :P

The P was the first Dell 4k, I think. It was a kinda-UltraSharp-but-not in branding.

U is properly UltraSharp-branded

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@Bob there was an older one actually

the P2715q was kind of the first one that was worth getting ;p

heh

@Wildcard I kinda followed in @JourneymanGeek's pawsteps :P

He was the one who suggested a P2715Q for me

@Bob Oh?

Aha.

Then I got annoyed at having one 1080p and one 4k, and picked up an Acer CB280HK cheap

@Wildcard If there's one thing chat's good for, it's hardware recs where you're not too sure of the specs :P

8:54 AM

@Bob :D

btw, @Wildcard, if you're going to be dealing with different resolutions: superuser.com/questions/1119204/…

too bad I only found that after ditching the 1080p monitor

@Bob Good to know, thanks!

Hmmm...that makes me think. I'll only have the one monitor, but now I'm wondering if it will be sensible (or even possible) to set up KVM switching between my work computer and my personal, so they can both use the same monitor.

Eh.

Probably more trouble than it's worth.

Especially when my Mac display is pretty darn nice already.

9:10 AM

THE FURBY ORGAN, A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT MADE FROM FURBIES

morning i feel terrible

@allquixotic Sorry I missed the earlier conversation... Yes, I calibrate all my monitors. Yes, I'm working with a TN display for my photo work. Is it ideal? No, but the important part is that it's good enough, and better than working with an uncalibrated display.

@Burgi becuase you spent £2k on flowers?

Modern TN displays are actually pretty good with keeping the color shift in check when you view the monitor off-axis. Of course, you want IPS or AHVA if maximum color accuracy is required, but the monitor I chose is a compromise between color accuracy, size, gaming performance, and price. I do not have the money or desk area to run a professional monitor alongside a gaming monitor.

@djsmiley2k lol

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9:48 AM

@Bob to be fair, he had more of a clue about what he wanted than most ;p

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