Root Access

David K

12:27

Question for you all - has anyone heard of the term "curtained" in the context of IT or IT security? A coworker described some printers as "not curtained" in an email, and I wasn't sure what that meant.

djsmiley2k

welp i've come home

@DavidK not myself no

David K

hm, thanks

I wasn't sure if it was a standard term I didn't know or if it was just something this guy made up

djsmiley2k

i gave in and came home, as I feel terribad

@DavidK it maybe something someones used once or twice

only thing i can think of is with laser cutters, you have 'curtains' around the cutting head, to stop the dust flying out

you could technically have the same on some kinds of printer, but I've not heard of any

David K

I was thinking it was security related since they were operating on a restricted network ("curtained off")

djsmiley2k

yeah, dmz type thing

David K

12:41

But, it's good to know I'm not the only person who would be confused by that statement

Yeah, I asked over there too, so we'll see what kind of response I get

djsmiley2k

i guess it could of come from the terminology of the 'iron curtain' ?

google finds nothing for curtaining in IT, so I think it's safe to say it's a non-global term

David K

so it's a soviet printer?

djsmiley2k

indeed

;D

Burgi

rofl

djsmiley2k

in soviet russia, printer breaks you!

Burgi

12:45

we just got the first two replacement macbooks

djsmiley2k

@Burgi huge upgrade?

Burgi

well...

they have a single USB-C port

David K

I should have known with how much red ink it uses!

djsmiley2k

@Burgi :D yeah, new mac books suck like that

now you get to carry a hub as well as your macbook

Burgi

we've got to get adapters so we can use dual screens while charging

djsmiley2k

12:49

nod

Burgi

the adapters cost £70

djsmiley2k

/me nods

you need 2?

Burgi

we'll need 4 adapters

djsmiley2k

yus

:D

Burgi

the other two laptops are coming next week

djsmiley2k

12:50

you could of brought another laptop for that.

Burgi

i priced up a dell with the same spec as the top macbook pro

djsmiley2k

i imagine it was still quite expensive

but it'd work right away...

Burgi

£800 vs £2500

djsmiley2k

lol wow ok

not even close

Thing is, I can remember when mac's were good

Burgi

the MD is sold on the apple brand though

djsmiley2k

12:53

like genuinely better than anything else you could buy for comparable price.

Burgi

i think we must have spent £40-50 each on thunderbolt adapters for the old machines

most of the machines here are only used for word processing, email and web

djsmiley2k

lul

Burgi

i can understand the designers and video people wanting/needing macs but the customer service people?

djsmiley2k

13:17

waaaaaat

Burgi

13:48

the sooner we ditch our current IT company the better

djsmiley2k

hmmm

Burgi

they've deployed an engineer to us and not told him anything about what we need doing

djsmiley2k

\o/

Blog bot

14:16

The Brutal Lifecycle of JavaScript Frameworks

Ian Allen on January 11, 2018

JavaScript UI frameworks and libraries work in cycles. Every six months or so, a new one pops up, claiming that it has revolutionized UI development. Thousands of developers adopt it into their new projects, blog posts are written, Stack Overflow questions are asked and answered, and then a newer (and even more revolutionary) framework pops up to usurp the throne.

Using the Stack Overflow Trends tool and some of our internal traffic data, we decided to take a look at some of the more prominent UI frameworks: Angular, React, Vue.js, Backbone, Knockout, and Ember. …

djsmiley2k

14:35

can someone remove and reattach my head?

Burgi

i can certainly remove it but i might void the warranty

bertieb

@djsmiley2k How functional do you need it to be once reattached? Are we talking working, or merely... decorative?

djsmiley2k

:D

i just want the pain to go away

which strangely it has now

sigh

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Glad we could help?

JohnP

14:51

Hey all - Question for you. I have Cox cable internet, and I get connection drops every 5 minutes or so. I am on my 2nd modem since I stopped renting theirs, the cable guy has checked the lines, but when I get on my VPN to work, it drops and reconnects consistently.

What logs on the router do I need to look at to show cox it is somethign on their end?

Currently using a DOCSIS 3.0 NETGEAR - Nighthawk AC1900 modem.

I did see this question on the main, but it doesn't really tell me anything other than they might have oversold in the area.

bertieb

@JohnP What logs does your router provide? General system log?

Bob

I don't think many people in this room are on cable?

But yea your best bet is just looking at all the logs :P

there's usually only a few... just look for any events around the disconnects

otherwise, consider dropping the router and connecting one system directly to the modem - and do a continuous ping test

JohnP

@bertieb Honestly, I'd have to log in to see. This is a brand new modem (< 2 weeks) so I haven't played aroudn with the info on it much yet.

Bob

@JohnP FYI modem and router are distinct concepts

bertieb

Not a bad idea... it's been a long time since I was on cable (NTL-era days; I was using some Linux distro on a floppy as a router), but the modem itself showed some stats IIRC

Bob

14:56

though in this case you seem to have a combined device... ugh.

JohnP

@Bob Yeah, I know. I usually just refer to it as a modem, in this case it's a combined device.

bertieb

(Ah, it was FreeSCO! Man, that was bothering me. I was very impressed by it at the time even though I had no idea how the heck it was doing what it did. Oh, the folly of youth...)

JohnP

@Bob I've got an RPi 3 running Ubuntu Mate, I could figure out how to run a continuous ping from that.

Bob

@JohnP ping 8.8.8.8

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I THINK there's an extra argument for ping on linux being contininous...

JohnP

14:59

It's really annoying, as I was going to set the RPi up as a Kodi media server, but the interrupts prevent any useful streaming. Same if I'm WFH, the vpn drops and reconnects every 2-5 minutes.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek On Linux it's continuous by default

On Windows you'd want ping /t 8.8.8.8

bertieb

~~Continunous by default~~ Bob beat me to it

Journeyman Geek

ahh, my bad

Bob

On Linux you'd probably want ping -D -O 8.8.8.8

(-D to add timestamps and -O to force output for timeouts)

Journeyman Geek

I used to use irc for that, lol

bertieb

15:00

You could alternatively use an external device pinging inbound (something like f8lure.mouselike.org) as that way you get a pretty graph

I'm not sure if it'll tell you anything more than what you know, if you are already aware of it disconnecting every 5 minutes

Does it only disconnect when you VPN up, or regardless?

Bob

@bertieb assuming your router replies to inbound ICMP

most consumer routers drop those by default and also don't let you choose otherwise

bertieb

@Bob Well yea

Oh, really?

Shows how out of touch I am :P

JohnP

@bertieb Regardless. Same behaviour on work laptop, desktop, two laptops and the Pi.

Bob

@bertieb "security"

bertieb

Can't see any reason not to have that option, even if it's stuck behind some 'advanced settings' page

JohnP

15:03

@Bob I think I can set mine to accept inbound ICMP

allquixotic

I’m giving my TDD class an hour to work on the assignment on mocking. It’s hard the first time you learn this stuff

bertieb

@Bob Ah, like the 100ml bottles at airports, you say

Bob

@allquixotic You're teaching the class?

allquixotic

@Bob yep :) in a sport coat

Bob

@bertieb because it apparently confuses users

Burgi

15:03

@Bob my parents are on cable

TamalesRancheros

Morning!!!

bertieb

Elbow patches?

Bob

@allquixotic nice

allquixotic

Fourth time I’m teaching it

Burgi

but i suspect the UK cable is different to american cable

allquixotic

15:04

@bertieb no

bertieb

@allquixotic Aw

I had pictured something like the above

Bob

I'll probably be on cable by this time next year... not looking forward to it

just more things that can go wrong

Burgi

i found it more stable than DSL

Journeyman Geek

cable was mostly reliable for me

Bob

@Burgi suppose it depends on where you are, but our local coax is in shambles. not that the phone copper is any better but we had ours replaced recently, sooooo

Journeyman Geek

15:06

but splitting the modem and outer makes sense

also... in the list of things I wish I could own but shouldn;t...

theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/1/11/16876582/…

Bob

@JourneymanGeek they should use those here - at least they probably won't melt

bertieb

> $1,850 pre-order discount

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek they have one of those in a local bar

Journeyman Geek

@Bob mechnical displays appeal to me in an odd way.

bertieb

> final $3,495 price tag

0_o

Journeyman Geek

15:07

@bertieb ya, its rediculously pricy, but mechanical devices are a lot of engineering...

Burgi

its linked to their social media counts and flaps away when people like them on facebook

Bob

"How hot is it today?"
"The LCD melted."

Journeyman Geek

0_0

allquixotic

@Bob I originally said that about FiOS, and while it wasn’t perfect, and I’ve had problems, LTE had problems too (bloating batteries, huge ping jitter, high first hop ping, huge throughout variability, prime time low speeds) and was waaaay slower overall

Comparatively my FiOS problems have been relatively solvable and the resulting gigabit pipe is delicious

Bob

@allquixotic The only problem I have with ADSL is the low throughput (esp. upstream)

Unfortunately it looks like I'll be trading that for questionable reliability

allquixotic

15:12

Also half my FiOS problems are the damn Netgear buggy firmware on my nonstandard router :P

Bob

(Unfortunate in the sense that it could have been so much better)

allquixotic

@Bob your ADSL is reliable? Weird. I’m not used to hearing such things.

ADSL was the worst when I had it, reliability wise

Bob

@allquixotic It used to drop every time it rained. Took a few tech callouts (from the reseller, TPG, till it got escalated to the physical network tech from Telstra), but he swapped the copper pair (from the street silo to the pit in front of the house) and it was all good.

HFC is likely to be much worse here

I'm not even sure where the coax goes

it disappears down the side of the house

now, if they gave us FTTN (fibre to the silo then copper to the pit then house, which I know is good), that'd be fine

if they gave us FTTDP (fibre to the pit then copper to the house), that's even better

allquixotic

@Bob Tell the techs you’re skeptical of the physical infrastructure when they come to install and to spend more than a couple seconds testing packet loss and connection stability

Bob

if they gave us FTTP (fibre to the house) that'd be best

but, no, gotta have HFC. The most questionable of the lot.

allquixotic

15:15

@Bob I have fiber to the ONT on the side of the house :D

Bob

The one method that is currently delayed for another 6-9 months because the first areas to get HFC are having a lot of dropouts

Journeyman Geek

I have fibre to the ONT inside my house ;p

Bob

you know it's bad when the government that's spent the last 2+ years defending this plan has decided they're having issues

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek Lucky

Journeyman Geek

well not right now

allquixotic

15:16

I want fiber to my desk :D lol

Journeyman Geek

I'm teathered to my mom's phone to my laptop ;p

Bob

like, "the sky is falling!!!!!!" bad

@allquixotic ha, it'll probably only drop when it rains, knowing my luck. or when the neighbours decide to connect.

allquixotic

@Bob Ewww. So they acknowledge there are reliability problems? Is it just inherent in the tech or the rollout strategy?

@Bob Make sure they install on a rainy day then lol

Bob

@allquixotic In the tech (read: the ollllllld coax that's been basically unmaintained since it was first installed [for cable TV, not even designed for internet] decades ago)

allquixotic

@Bob so it’s old PHY basically

Bob

15:18

abc.net.au/news/2017-11-27/…

> When asked by the ABC how many HFC customers had complained about internet dropouts, NBN Co's chief executive Bill Morrow said the number of customers affected was "small, it's miniscule, you won't see it".

allquixotic

I guess governments don’t really grok that infrastructure cables get old, noisy and lose their signal strength over time

Bob

yea, no. if you're suspending the rollout for 9 months, something is wrong

@allquixotic previous government got that just fine. current government spent the last election cycle attacking the previous government's plans and I'm pretty sure they changed it just to spite them

...which sounds very similar to the current US gov, now that I think of it

allquixotic

I guess governments assume that when you get a piece of chewing gum you’ll never need another piece of chewing gum ever again because it’ll last forever

Bob

> When pressed by the ABC, NBN Co said that 1.1 per cent of HFC connections were affected by dropouts that needed to be fixed.

that's... pretty bad

allquixotic

@Bob yep. Identity politics

Bob

15:21

lifehacker.com.au/2017/12/…

> While NBN data showed that only 1 per cent of end users were reporting faults via their service provider, alarm bells began to ring after an internal NBN Co commissioned consumer satisfaction survey found up to 15 per cent of users were scoring their HFC service close to 0 out of 10, meaning that they were having the absolute worst time on HFC but that their provider wasn't necessarily reporting it as a fault to NBN Co.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic or they ban it cause the opposition chews gum

Bob

@JourneymanGeek funny how the Singaporean is talking about banning chewing gum :D

Journeyman Geek

cough

naw, we banned it cause it was cheaper than powerwashing trains...

which break down anyway now

Bob

erm

@allquixotic macrumors.com/2018/01/10/…

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek sooooooo the gum was holding them together?

Journeyman Geek

15:28

no, clearly they couldn't mcguyver them fixed

(orrrr, they kinda lost track of the fact they are a train company

JohnP

argh. I hate job hunting.

5

Journeyman Geek

don't we all

gotta get back into the grind when I'm back in singapore

JohnP

@JourneymanGeek I have a job, I just don't make quite enough. Had to take nearly a 30k US pay cut last year.

Journeyman Geek

oh, quit my last one.

JohnP

Went from 100K + 15% bonus to 80k + 10% bonus.

djsmiley2k

15:32

/me ponders what he'd do with 40k GBP

JohnP

I didn't quit, they axed our entire office.

djsmiley2k

so many things

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ours seems to have forgotten they need drivers for the trains

(Tuesday's delays were apparently at least partially because they ... ran out of drivers.)

Journeyman Geek

ours are automatic

but we've had multiple maintainance related failures

Bob

@JourneymanGeek they're building a new metro that's supposed to be automatic

don't worry, I'm sure they'll find some way to stuff it up

Journeyman Geek

15:32

because they were focused on non core stuff

jokerdino

no signal inside trains, fix pls

djsmiley2k

-~_-;

@Bob ah you've got the UK's probvlem

jokerdino

I did read about the phantom train problem in Singapore

Journeyman Geek

yup

djsmiley2k

we regularly run outta drivcers

Journeyman Geek

15:34

and we had a train tunnel get flooded

I did hear our main shopping area got flooded too

djsmiley2k

my dishwasher wasn't draining

/me got his hand in there and fixed that bad boy

some how o_O

Journeyman Geek

ITS YOUR FAULT...

@djsmiley2k reverse pauli effect?

djsmiley2k

o_O :D

'hand of god'

Journeyman Geek

lol

kinda like how I joke a good IT guy can walk into a room and fix something just by touching it

JohnP

@JourneymanGeek A good IT guy can fix it just by being in close proximity.

"I swear, it works every time you come look"

Journeyman Geek

15:38

hah

that's true

but we need to at least pretend to do something to keep up appearences

JohnP

Which is immediately followed by the thought of "Well, which step are you skipping when I'm not around?"

Journeyman Geek

@JohnP I gave up trying to figure that out

Burgi

15:52

if i had a 30K paycut i'd have to pay to come to work

user226528

16:32

Hey, guys! PowerShell Core 6.0 has been released!

user226528

By default, it spies on you and reports back the OS version and Git Commit version of your PowerShell Core.

user226528

(That, by the way, was the journalists version.)

user226528

There is file called $PSHome\DELETE_ME_TO_DISABLE_CONSOLEHOST_TELEMETRY.

user226528

As its name says, if you delete it, it disables ~~this heinous act of espionage~~ telemetry.

Burgi

i'm quite chuffed with how my new estimate calculator is working

Burgi

17:55

cor blimey! my game dev heroes want to talk to me about something i did in eve

Burgi

18:07

i should bloody well hope so!

Canadian Luke

18:24

Sucks when it says it's milk, but people assume it's not, so they drink it anyways...?

Or how you need to use it by Jan 17, but it's only good for 3 days after opening?

It's like how McDonalds had to put on their coffee cups, "CAUTION: HOT"

allquixotic

@Bob oof

Burgi

@CanadianLuke tbh if you have a cold enough fridge you can get a week out of them normally

Canadian Luke

I stopped drinking milk a while ago. Became lactarded for a couple years. But we'll keep milk for 2 weeks sometimes, no ill effects

bertieb

@Burgi Oh..?

CCP?

Burgi

@bertieb yes

DavidPostill

18:41

@Burgi Job spec? [email protected]

rahuldottech

Hello

DavidPostill

@rahuldottech Hello. All OK?

rahuldottech

@DavidPostill yep!

How're you doing?

jokerdino

all OK?

DavidPostill

Tired. 8 hours on the phone is tiring

rahuldottech

18:46

@DavidPostill oh, that job. Does it pay well?

bwDraco

vg247.com/2018/01/11/…

DavidPostill

@rahuldottech Minimum wage plus a little. I just had a pay rise to just above what the minimum wage will be starting from April.

bwDraco

Another Final Fantasy game hits PC!

> For players with high-end systems, the exploration areas of the game can be played in wide-screen ratios up to 48:9, which we think will give them a really immersive experience.

Wow.

I'm sure @allquixotic would like to hear this.

Burgi

@DavidPostill do you want me to post the job spec here or just forward the email?

rahuldottech

@DavidPostill that doesn't sound nice

DavidPostill

18:48

@Burgi Forward the email please :)

bwDraco

That is explicit triple-monitor support. We don't see this often.

DavidPostill

@rahuldottech It is how it is till I find something better.

rahuldottech

@DavidPostill hope you do so soon

Burgi

gtg, i'll send it later

DavidPostill

@Burgi np. thanks.

djsmiley2k

18:53

@Burgi that fame eh

we have a 24/7 operations role going @DavidPostill...

i could drop you that email on monday, if i've not forgotten by then (as I doubt i'll be in tomorrow)

DavidPostill

19:04

@djsmiley2k That's fine.

djsmiley2k

19:33

no idea what wage they offer in that role tho, might have to do some digging

but if you can find somewhere near by to rent, it could be quite nice i guess

DavidPostill

19:45

@Burgi Got it thanks. Too many skills needed I don't have :/

djsmiley2k

ooooooo the dishonoured run

this is always a fun game to watch

allquixotic

20:02

@bwDraco yay ultrawide but I don’t care about final fantasy

Also 48:9?! Sheesh that’s like 2.25 of my monitors side by side

Michael Frank

0

Q: Is it possible to restore data on harddrive after overwriting it with the DD command?

I used the dd command to back up my home partition to a 2 TB hard drive thinking that it would add the HOME folder to my hard drive. sudo dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdc where sda2 is HOME and sdc is the hard drive. As it was running it occurred to me to check the hard drive, and when I looked, al...

ruh-roh Shaggy!

Burgi

@DavidPostill worth a shot i think

user226528

@BenN Hi. I need you opinion about something related to PowerShell Core 6.0. Perhaps you are aware that it went GA yesterday, right?

DavidPostill

@Burgi Not really. Missing skills Windows 2003/2008/2012 Server, MS Exchange, Cisco Network Infrastructure

Ben N

@FleetCommand Huh, I didn't actually - what's up?

Googles

Burgi

20:16

2003 = XP
2008 = win7
2012 = Win8.1

you have experience with those

user226528

@BenN Well, like I said, it has reached general availability yesterday. Anyway, I am going to need a second opinion about this piece: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerShell#PowerShell_Core_6.0

Burgi

the exchange you might struggle with and just say you need training on cisco

user226528

...especially the second paragraph of that section.

DavidPostill

@Burgi Yes. But nothing regarding Server. There is a big difference between Server and Workstation not least all the AD stuff etc

Burgi

basically blag it

no harm in firing over a CV

Michael Frank

20:18

@FleetCommand The first sentence of the first paragraph doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

Ben N

"unwield" should be "unveiled"

djsmiley2k

that's a horrible wide range of skills to have

Ben N

The second paragraph seems slightly more opinionated that Wikipedia usually is

user226528

Thought so.

Ben N

Also, thank goodness for it changing the default encoding to BOMless UTF8

BOMful UTF16 was the most annoying thing

user226528

20:21

Codename Lisa usually isn't opinionated. But then, if we remove it, there is the question of whether there truly is or isn't a top 10 list.

user226528

Also what "unwield"?

Ben N

Oh, it's fixed now

user226528

I actually prefer UCS-2. But yes, UTF-8 is welcome. And I miss -ShowWindow.

Ben N

PowerShell Remoting over SSH seems like a pretty neat feature for sysadmins

(granted I don't use PS in an official sysadmin capacity, so my perception may be incorrect)

user226528

You said it. I was very close to adding it to the article. Then I realized it says "for a Windows IT professional".

user226528

20:30

@BenN Did you see the "Telemetry" section? I bet journalist will soon pounce on it like wolves. "Microsoft spies on you by default" they'd say.

Ben N

I see. It seems fairly unobjectionable to me, but indeed, people might freak out

user226528

Peope tend to freak out when they are presented with a freaky version of it.

Michael Frank

Best Feature of PowerShell Core? Removal of the pesky wget and curl aliases for Invoke-WebRequest!

user226528

O.o

user226528

What was wrong with them?

Ben N

20:34

I guess they could be confusing if you were trying to use those programs?

Personally I liked them, but iwr is (I assume?) still there and is shorter

user226528

Ouch! You're right. For a cross-platform shell, it is dangerous.

Michael Frank

Yea, they were confusing as they didn't actually work the same way that curl and wget on Unix did.

Ben N

Also hooray for smarter tab completion

Michael Frank

Smarter? You mean it won't just start showing me file names of the current working directory? :P

Ben N

In a few more cases now, yes :D

Michael Frank

20:38

I should update my machines to PS Core...

Ben N

21:04

Welp the removal of -Encoding Byte breaks a lot of my scripts

bwDraco

21:47

Hopefully, I can spend some time learning JavaScript and PowerShell soon.

Bob

22:22

morn

bwDraco

@FleetCommand Because they have a business to run.

That Brazilian Guy

23:11

@DavidPostill :(

@rahuldottech Have you changed your Telegram account? I sent you a message weeks ago.

Well, I'll write it here anyway as it looks like you're more active here. I remember you were learning and practicing programming a few months ago. I found an amazing site with lots of programming exercises in many different languages, codefights.com

You can even challenge other persons and compete with them real time. It's quite cool.

FML Cat

Woot 8K OLED TV?

That Brazilian Guy

@FMLCat Huh? 8K?

FML Cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy Twice as many K's as 4K!

That Brazilian Guy

How do they fit so many K's on a single TV?

FML Cat

hexus.net/tech/news/monitors/…

By making the TV really big

They added 11" to add another 4K's

That Brazilian Guy

23:19

meh.

"Hey look we doubled our pixels. also ~~doubled~~ multiplied by sqrt(2) our dimensions".

(my math may be wrong)

FML Cat

Actually they quadrupled the pixels while multiplying by 1.32x the dimensions

8K is 33.2 million pixels. 4K is 8.3 million pixels.

Either way, 8K is a lotof K's

That Brazilian Guy

Oh yeah, 1080, 4K, etc is only horizontal resolution

Display resolution

The display resolution or display modes of a digital television, computer monitor or display device is the number of distinct pixels in each dimension that can be displayed. It can be an ambiguous term especially as the displayed resolution is controlled by different factors in cathode ray tube (CRT) displays, flat-panel displays (including liquid-crystal displays) and projection displays using fixed picture-element (pixel) arrays. It is usually quoted as width × height, with the units in pixels: for example, "1024 × 768" means the width is 1024 pixels and the height is 768 pixels. This example...

FML Cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy 1080 is actually vertical resolution, and is "2K" horizontal

Not at all confusing

Bob

@FMLCat Even better, FHD (1920x1080) actually isn't 2k (2048x1080). And UHD (3840x2160) isn't actually 4k (4096x2160).

Well, not the cinema 2k/4k definitions anyway.

That Brazilian Guy

23:37

And 720p is 1280x720, 1080p is 1920x1080, but 4K is 4096 x 2160... 0.o

bwDraco

I tend to just use "2160p" to refer to 4K UHD.

Michael Frank

1080 was easy to say, "ten-eighty"... but "twenty-one-sixty"? Not so much.

That Brazilian Guy

Could have called it "2K".

"But 4K is twice the Ks!"

allquixotic

23:54

"Twunny-one sixtee"

what's so hard about that

That Brazilian Guy

Doesn't roll off the tongue as much.

allquixotic

@Bob I have an idea to implement a Spotify-using music player ("like" Spotify) without any VMs, on Windows/Linux x86_64, Android/ARM and iOS... Taking into account that Spotify doesn't have a proper streaming API for desktop OSes anymore, just Android and iOS

That Brazilian Guy

Speaking of having ideas...

FML Cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy Neither does 720p either tbh

allquixotic

I'm assuming the API exposed in the Spotify streaming SDK is the same between iOS and Android; using Anbox I can put an Android system in a container on desktop Linux, so it'll have all the natives (ART/Dalvik and the rest of the Android libs) so that the .jar and native .sos in the Android SDK will work on desktop Linux (it has x86 and x86_64 natives)

That Brazilian Guy

23:57

I just had the craziest idea ever today.

allquixotic

on Windows I can try getting an Android distro on WSL

FML Cat

4K just sounds snazzier. And to retrospectively rename FHD to 2K would be too much change for simpletons' brains to adapt to

HD, FHD, QHD, UHD, Q?UHD...

That Brazilian Guy

Some (if not all) mobile telcos here offer off-the-meter unlimited WhatsApp (because Net Neutrality be damned, right).

FML Cat

720p, 1080p, 1440p, 2160p, 4320p...

allquixotic

so the Android Spotify SDK covers Win/Lin on x86_64 and the native SDKs for Android and iOS cover mobile devices

FML Cat

23:58

1K, 2K, "3K", 4K, 8K.

Michael Frank

@FMLCat It was hard enough for people to grasp HD-Ready and Full HD.

That Brazilian Guy

What if... what if someone implemented TCPoverWhatsApp?

allquixotic

@FMLCat you forgot the popular 1440p

FML Cat

Wish these porn sites would use consistent naming and stick to one type of measurement so my filter scripts would require so many fewer lines...

Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy Like TCPoverFacebook?

That Brazilian Guy

23:59

@MichaelFrank It.... exists?!

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy better yet, TLS

FML Cat

@allquixotic Fixed

QUHD? SUHD? UUHD? MoarUHD?

Bob

@allquixotic "without any VMs" => goes ahead and plans to use an Android VM :D

Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy Invented by one of your South American brothers or sisters!

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