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Journeyman Geek

00:19

woof

Hennes

Meow

bwDraco

roar

Hennes

It is too late at night for me to roar

bwDraco

01:38

So... ideas on what to play with in a VM?

NotThatGuy

Dog goes "woof", cat goes "meow", lion goes "roar", but there's a few that barely sound like they're making any sound.

bwDraco

02:07

Protip: Need a download manager? There's one built into Windows, and you can access it using PowerShell. technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj590836(v=wps.630).aspx

(currently using BITS to fetch a big Linux ISO)

Also, TIL there's a PowerShell cmdlet for emptying the Recycle Bin, lol

9 hours ago, by Ben N

In other news, what makes you curious about device drivers, @bwDraco?

@BenN It was inspired by seeing how filenames for drivers were always in the 8.3 format. I was looking back at this question and noticed that the name of the driver in question, netwbw03.sys, was in 8.3 format, then realized that pretty much every driver file I've seen has an 8.3 filename, like nvlddmkm.sys for the NVIDIA graphics driver.

Is this some legacy oddity in the Windows NT kernel?

Ben N

I suspect most important drivers are boot-start and therefore have to still be 8.3

bwDraco

But why the 8.3 requirement?

Ben N

02:23

I don't know for sure, but I speculate that the OS infrastructure that's loaded when boot-start drivers come in is less featureful than the main OS

Perhaps it needs a definite upper bound on file name length

bwDraco

I was thinking about the Windows debugger... it might have to do with data structures in the Windows NT kernel.

As in, the kernel requires that all modules have names no more than 8 characters long.

Ben N

Ah

bwDraco

It's a guess, but one that's based on what I've seen debugging bugchecks.

Pandya

@bwDraco I've just downloaded the ISO file of 4.3GB.

Now, what would be the next steps?

I'm thinking ti flash it on USB stick (Pen Drive).

Also note that Currently boot loader is GRUB (which is installed by Ubuntu GNOME)

bwDraco

02:44

Use the appropriate software to write it to the flash drive, and set the boot order so that it boots from the flash drive.

bwDraco

03:01

@Pandya Have you backed up your documents?

Pandya

@bwDraco ok. Btw, should I care about some license keys or something since I'm going to probably formate and install Windiws10 fresh.

@bwDraco Yes, currently backing up documents...

bwDraco

@Pandya Select "I don't have a product key" when prompted - the activation system should be able to identify your hardware configuration and activate automatically.

Pandya

@bwDraco So, it will be identified and activate automatically. ok

bwDraco

Windows 10 activation is designed to be foolproof. If you used a Microsoft account to log in to your system, be sure to log in at install time - that will ensure that the key is properly associated with your account.

Bob

Bennett's

bwDraco

03:04

If not, as long as you don't make any major hardware changes between now and the time you install Windows, the activation servers should still be able to identify your system and activate it.

@Bob ?

Pandya

I just wanted to know if there is anything like license-key-backup...

bwDraco

@Pandya Technically, you don't need the product key once you've activated Windows on a particular system.

Pandya

ok.

bwDraco

Also, make sure you've backed up anything that needs to be retained - the whole system will be erased during this process.

Pandya

Yeah.

Bob

03:54

@bwDraco uh... butt-chatting

2

probably

bwDraco

lol

bwDraco

04:40

Fiddling with Linux from Scratch (hopefully, the Ryzen segfault bug won't bite). Host OS for the build is openSUSE Leap 42.3 on VirtualBox, with 16 vCPUs (all hardware threads). SBU time is 26.3 seconds (!).

linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/development/chapter04/…

bwDraco

04:53

Scratch that, the SBU is 25.6 seconds.

allquixotic

05:07

@MichaelFrank If voice-back is a custom protocol extension of Bluetooth, then Creative/Avantree/whoever created it could license it and/or share code with other BT accessory manufacturers to make it wider used.

I don't think it's specified in the standards per the Bluetooth SIG, so it has to be custom, and might possibly break the standard (though I doubt it strictly speaking breaks it; it might be a supported vendor extension)

Pandya

06:38

@bwDraco I've backed up necessary documents and also flashed iso to usb stick. Now, usb drive is bootable shown on boot menu. Should I select it from Legency or UFEI?

bwDraco

Use UEFI.

Pandya

Ok. Now there are two options. Install Now and Repair your computer...

Going with Install Now

I think I should choose advanced, right? @bwDraco

since we discussed formatting instead of repairing, assuming yes

Formatting drive on which Windows 10 was there...

And selecting it for installation...

Installation started.

It's appearance looks very similar to Win7

djsmiley2k

11:30

Another children's party, fortunately they are young enough that they don't actually misbehave

FML Cat

11:42

Unlike the asshats in my room last night...

Apparently manager tells me it's a public indecency offence though so they can get thrown out pretty quickly if it happens again

Bob

12:15

sooo

I'm reading some docs for vlan setup

my head hurts

and we have cisco off in their own little world with their own terminology

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek Why is/was OS/2 even supported till now? iirc, even VLC has releases for it. Do people seriously still use it?

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech that's an excellent question

I have no idea. I only mentioned it cause it was a running joke.

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek ...thanks? :P

Journeyman Geek

IRONICALLY, there's been releases of OS/2 all through to this year

EComStation

eComStation or eCS is a PC operating system based on OS/2, published by Serenity Systems and Mensys BV and currently owned and developed by XEU.com. It includes several additions and accompanying software not present in the IBM version of the system. eComStation is a 32-bit operating system which runs exclusively on the x86 processor architecture (real or virtualized) and is still used as of 2017. == Differences between eComStation and OS/2 == Version 1 of eComStation, released in 2001, was based around the integrated OS/2 version 4.5 client Convenience Package for OS/2 Warp version 4, which was...

rahuldottech

12:32

@JourneymanGeek Also off-topic?

Journeyman Geek

Even better! tech.slashdot.org/story/17/05/19/170232/…

New and OS/2. You can party like its 1987

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek I still don't get it

No one really uses os/2

So why is software still released for it?

Journeyman Geek

.... that's kinda half the joke

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek But... why is there a joke in the first place?

Journeyman Geek

That's an excellent question!

And one I can actually answer!

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A: Why can't old PCs view modern sites?

Simply, a lot of modern HTML features we take for granted did not exist back in those days. There are attempts to build 'modern' browsers for older OSes - classilla, for example. You can easily load up linux onto a suitable PII or PIII system and still be able to handle a basic modern webpage. ...

rahuldottech

12:39

@JourneymanGeek no but but but but

I still don't see why software is released for os/2

And even if it's used in embedded machines after more than 1.5 decades

I doubt that any of them require BitTorrent

VLC for OS/2 Last updated: 2017/06/05

Journeyman Geek

I suppose for the sheer amusement factor of letting kids wonder whyyyyyyy?

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek Last update to os/2 was when I was 6 months old

Journeyman Geek

(or its relatively trivial to cross compile)

rahuldottech

THIS MAKES ME FEEL OLD

@JourneymanGeek .....how?

Journeyman Geek

ODIN

rahuldottech

12:44

It doesn't even support USB

Or like... mice

Or webcams or wifi or bluetooth or hdmi or gpus or . . .

Journeyman Geek

dude, totally works with a mouse

also has some usb support

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek oh, that's just great! I can use it on my daily driver then! :P

Journeyman Geek

sureee.

;p

(the whole joke is its an old OS no one actually seems to use)

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek and software is still updated for it??

ridiculous

Also, completely unrelatedly:

Standards are frigging amazing

Journeyman Geek

lol

YUP!

Mokubai

12:55

@rahuldottech Unless you work in product compliance, in which case standards are very rarely standard and you your life is a living nightmare.

!!xkcd standards

ChatBot John Cavil

@Mokubai Something went on fire; status 403

Mokubai

mmmkay

Bob

please stop setting cavil on fire :(

Mokubai

@Bob I barely touched him!

Bob

(on a somewhat related note, we really need to fix that google thing)

ok, so the TL-SG108E is completely dumb and insecure, but it's cheap and I'll probably get it anyway :D

Mokubai

13:01

Nothing wrong with dumb and insecure if you never let it near the internet

Bob

@Mokubai well, I'm trying to set up a couple of VLAN-based guest networks

so the threat is inside, as they say

hm

maybe I should just get that used 48-port cisco switch...

prettttty ebay.com.au/itm/…

rahuldottech

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Mokubai

@rahuldottech Trust us, what could possibly go wrong?

Kartoffel

13:18

hey any recommendations on setting up debian partitions or how to improve the question? superuser.com/questions/1271722/…

rahuldottech

14:22

<3

Bob

> Incidentally, make sure you have disabled legacy compatibility, turned off uplink monitoring, shagged the goat, selected WPA(2)AES-CCMP only,

One of these is not like the others.

Mokubai

Ɛ>

DavidPostill

15:23

@FMLCat You live in a public room?

djsmiley2k

17:37

@rahuldottech so when the american goverment promises that the citizens will never need their guns, the citizens will freely give it up? yey

bwDraco

17:48

roar.

Ben N

Hi!

bwDraco

So... I dismantled my old eMachines desktop down to the motherboard and removed the backplate. It's plastic :(

At least it'll still work in case the one on the new desktop fails for whatever reason. A waterblock isn't all that heavy.

Tried replacing the CPU on Father's old Dell (Athlon 64 x2 5000+, 2.6 GHz K8) with the CPU in the eMachines system (Athlon II X2 270, 3.4 GHz K10)... it's a no-go. System gives a constant amber power light.

Put the old processor back in and it runs just fine.

Wasted some perfectly good thermal paste -.-

At least the 10-year-old thermal paste on that system has been replaced with AS5, which should help it run quieter.

djsmiley2k

yey 2 new fans and they silent \o/

here's the weird bit.... 120mm fan

so 'normal' sizes

bwDraco

18:06

Well, an AM3 processor is supposed to work in an AM2 board, but Dells of that vintage tend to be rather picky.

djsmiley2k

bios updates etc

why that gap -__-

It's alive \o/

bwDraco

At least I can find NT-H1 thermal paste relatively cheaply.

(and NT-H1 is generally better than AS5)

Nov 9 at 16:38, by bwDraco

So... thinking about the cooler mounting screw issue. I have an old desktop with an AM2/AM3 processor and cooler. In the unlikely event the cooler retention system on Astaroth fails, I could scavenge the parts from that old desktop and use them. The Crosshair VI Extreme motherboard has mounting holes that allow the use of those old coolers.

...dammit. The LFS VM decided to give me a kernel panic when I resume it.

djsmiley2k

18:37

from hibernation?

bwDraco

VM was suspended.

djsmiley2k

ah

thats..... odd

tl;dr what is your issue with the cooler mount btw?

bwDraco

Nov 6 at 4:20, by bwDraco

Somehow, I put in one of the four in reverse and partially damaged the screw threads. There were not stripped, only bent, and I backed out before any metal had actually separated from either part (less than halfway). However, I'm concerned this might impact the long-term integrity of the backplate or pegs.

Minor issue, rather unlikely for the screw threads to strip (see context).

djsmiley2k

yeah nothing sounds like anything will happen there

bwDraco

(gfycat.com/gifs/detail/BrownAmpleCat)

...also, ran into this little gem while uploading: gfycat.com/gifs/detail/LongShortAustraliancurlew (via Reddit)

(surprisingly enough, this is CC-licensed; see above Gfycat link)

!!/learn toiletpapercat <>https://i.sstatic.net/wkwjL.gif

ChatBot John Cavil

18:51

@bwDraco Command toiletpapercat learned

bwDraco

@djsmiley2k: flashing caps-lock and scroll-lock lights indicate a kernel panic, as above; that's how I was able to tell.

djsmiley2k

no graphical output?

bwDraco

Frozen display.

djsmiley2k

I'm interested in what'd cause it to panic simply resuming, obvious ones being that the root storage went away

ew :/

bwDraco

Let me see if there's anything useful in the logs...

Sadly not.

djsmiley2k

19:48

hmmm

Michael Frank

20:02

Monday Grumbling: If your default response to any email is to hit Reply-All, you suck.

@djsmiley2k Not Noctua, not silent. ;)

bwDraco

@MichaelFrank lol

djsmiley2k

20:29

@MichaelFrank Lol i can't hear it \o/

Michael Frank

21:16

https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/little-monkey/27253155
vs.
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/WKSGGPC10100/GGPC-Hero-GTX-1050-Gaming-PC-AMD-Ryzen-3-1200-Quad

The PBTech one wins out slightly, right?

bwDraco

AMD HSF attachment mechanism:

tereško

that thing is annoying

bwDraco

This is the same clasp mounting mechanism used on the AMD Wraith Max cooler for Socket AM4.

Michael Frank

I had to install one that didn't come with the handy lever... It was nigh on impossible to actually get both sides clipped down. :|

bwDraco

I personally love this design - it's foolproof as long as it isn't damaged.

It says "patent" - AMD has a patent on this mounting system.

bwDraco

21:46

...wait a sec. Why was this patent assigned to GlobalFoundries?

> Aug 18, 2009 AS Assignment
Owner name: GLOBALFOUNDRIES INC., CAYMAN ISLANDS

This is odd...

AMD presumably licenses this patent from them as part of their relationship with the semiconductor manufacturer.

It was probably assigned to GF as part of AMD's spinoff of its semiconductor manufacturing business.

So it turns out GlobalFoundries is the current assignee of this patent.

bwDraco

22:01

Well, this cooler, as far as I can tell, is only rated for 65W, but I'm holding onto it anyway. It won't cool the Ryzen 7 1800X adequately, but it could act as a stopgap if it ever becomes necessary. (The motherboard has AM2/AM3 cooler mounting holes which can be used as long as you have a matching backplate.)

Michael Frank

bleh... Tea does not taste the same in a takeaway cup. :|

bwDraco

Speaking of thermal solutions... came across this: thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002957

Intel only, but very cool design.

So... your thoughts on CPU thermal solution design?

Michael Frank

22:19

@bwDraco Hmm... I wonder how that performs against the DeepCool one I bought a while ago...

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NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
Subject: *.facebook.com

wut

Why am I getting a Facebook cert when trying to connect to Google?

Bob

22:34

morn

allquixotic

zirb

FML Cat

23:16

@MichaelFrank Probably a public hotspot that uses Facebook wifi authentication

facebook.com/business/facebook-wifi

Michael Frank

@FMLCat It's the work corporate network though...

FML Cat

@MichaelFrank In that case... sure you didn't accidentally connect to a hotspot?

If so... something's broken

bwDraco

Hmm... fan speed might be set a bit low because the motor stalls and beeps a bit before spinning up.

Michael Frank

I'm pretty sure. Our connection here is weird. Our entire site is on a VPN aggregator that ends up in Australia, then we connect to the internet from there. I'm guessing they were making changes to something in Australia...

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