@bwDraco yet when asked, they refused to withdraw until it blew up in their face.

@bwDraco Comodo also overcharges. Ask @Avery

if something blew up in my face I'd withdraw too

@bwDraco Uh... no

Comodo has had its share of problems but a quick read on them suggests they're more incompetence than malice. Besides, the only reason I need an SSL certificate is for encryption, so I needed a simple solution.

It's offered by my domain registrar Namecheap, so I just go with that solution. It's only $9/yr.

@bwDraco == letsencrypt

Yep, LE is pretty great

@rahuldottech Requires more manual management.

s/more/less/

The short validity is a disadvantage, but I'm willing to suffer it for the $0 price tag

@bwDraco There're automation tools for literally every platform

I might give it a shot in the future, but for the time being, I'm going to use the certificate I already have.

I have too many custom SSL listening processes with their own janky ways of accepting SSL certs (which then require restarts, etc. on changing them) to go with LE

@bwDraco Ah, yes. Incompetently registering trademarks for what might be the biggest and most well-known new player in the space.

(a bot message is not necessary and actually disrupts chat flow)

I usually caution against calling malice, but ... it's hard to say this is anything else.

Okay, I'm kinda guilty here since I just use the default free cert provided by cPanel, and cPanel is technically owned my Comodo, but that's only because I can't use my own cert on shared hosting

@Bob Can you not be such a cynic?

Aren't you the one usually calling companies out for anticompetitive behaviour?

Or is that only when it's Intel?

@rahuldottech eww cpanel. (tho, if someone else is hosting, and its shared, you get a pass ;p)

Whoaa, let's all calm down.

letstakeastepback.org (no, not a real site, just injecting that into the convo)

@JourneymanGeek Hehe, I have to suffer cPanel too

@bwDraco I think it's stupid to not realise and admit that Comodo was trying to do something messed up

@Bob FWIW, that's more a matter of evidence. Comodo's actions look more like they're mistakes. Intel acted repeatedly with the explicit intention to interfere with competitors.

@bwDraco oh goddamnit, end the convo

(I'd like to say, as the guy who basically called comodo evil, you're free to go with anyone, even godaddy...)

LTSB (Let's Take a Step Back .org) provides free 5 minute timeouts (very short issuance period) when they get into too heated an argument :P

@bwDraco potato, ptahto.

Though recently I bought some shared ASP.NET hosting and the company has what looks like a proprietary control panel and it somehow manages to be even more appalling than cPanel

Sure, that was a bad decision, and I'm not excusing them for this.

@allquixotic I'm in an interesting situation here. I'm in the middle of this, and I'm supposed to be the adult ;p

@JourneymanGeek Let me try.

Um

@allquixotic You can add a script on a renew hook to automate the restarts. At least you can with certbot.

I need to learn.

@JourneymanGeek I must say, it was a pleasant surprise when they booted The Daily Stormer fortune.com/2017/08/14/…

@bwDraco if nothing else, this is how the rest of us feel when you complain about intel ;p

@BenN Huh. Who even sells that? Azure? :P

@rahuldottech quite! But its good business.

@Bob Winhost

Speaking of hosting, I need to make a decision soon

@JourneymanGeek Cloudflare and EasyDNS kicked the site off their systems too! [1] [2]

@JourneymanGeek So... what do I need to learn in order to effectively moderate?

@rahuldottech the cloudflare one was hilarious.

I need to decide if fiber coming across a 30 year old telephone pole, down into the ground for a few hundred feet, then up into an ONT box (that isn't 100% weather-sealed, btw), and converted to a pretty janky Ethernet NIC, then piped along the house's siding, is "Reliable Enough" for my dedicated server purposes

0_0

@allquixotic fibre itself is rediculously so.

what I might do is severely downgrade my dedicated hosting presence to something low-end that is still perfectly suitable for file and web hosting, and only use it for that

and do all my game hosting, music streaming from a server in my bedroom

@allquixotic Power outages?

the rest of it...

0_0

@allquixotic how many servers is this across now?

oh yeah, and that

I only really have 1 server, and a few that I've canceled that are expiring, little VPN VPSes and stuff

...wait a sec. I think I'm starting to look like a troll.

@Bob rare

Sorry about the interruption.

@allquixotic did you sort out the issue with speeds?

@JourneymanGeek Namecheap refused too, LOL

@allquixotic Multiple IP addresses?

@bwDraco not trying to ignore, but I don't think whatever it is you're trying to do is especially productive; you're getting meta into talking about your own behavior again... stepping away from a heated argument is easy; you just do it :P

@Bob crap, you're totally right about that part... I'm pretty sure I just have one public IPv4 and can't conveniently get more

I can reengage rather quickly, don't think a cooldown is needed.

I'll have an impossibly huge IPv6 subnet eventually, but even though Verizon LTE is IPv6, FiOS isn't

hah, that was productive ;)

@allquixotic Is that one dedicated/static?

@allquixotic assuming your other stuff/users's ipv6 capable

@Bob nop.

@allquixotic Even worse, then...

@rahuldottech This is a hard call to make - the problem is that accepting registration implies endorsement.

At a minimum you'd need a VPN (or VPS) to provide a static public IP

@JourneymanGeek yep, getting around 900/850

ipv6 tunnels should be trivial with a modern CPE router

> accepting registration implies endorsement

@bwDraco I prefer to think of registrars as utility providers

...or people see it this way.

That's exactly the issue with the whole cloudflare deal. They don't endorse anything, they just support a neutral network. People interpret it wrongly

@JourneymanGeek IPv6 tunnels only work when there's enough tunnel servers, no?

(my asus does, not that I need it)

Lots of them have been shutting down in recent years.

@Bob I'd be more concerned with the clients

@Bob HE's still around and probably for the long run

The problem with this is that people perceive things like this as implying endorsement, even if they don't.

@bwDraco exactly

tunnels are a pretty bad idea in general for a streaming/gaming server anyway

@JourneymanGeek Huh, I thought they were one of the ones shutting down.

sixxs was almost impossible to register for, gogo6, I will miss.

o0

Really?

Hence, accepting registration is a PR nightmare and will lead to boycotts and whatnot.

Regardless of how disgusting that particular site is, I find it somewhat concerning that certain points of view can be completely denied publication

@Bob PRETTY sure you are mistaken en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IPv6_tunnel_brokers

@BenN The thing is, the companies were essentially forced to refuse service to the website because of the public backlash

@BenN not really denied publication; no one can stop them from buying business fiber to a small building, or a piece of a datacenter, or a whole datacenter, and hosting their site on that, as long as the ISP carrying them doesn't care... if they do, they can host their content on Tor

I agree, though, in principle

@allquixotic which is more or less what they'd end up doing

@allquixotic The Daily Stormer did end up on the Dark Web

@allquixotic Besides, why is IPv6 adoption so slow?

a point of view, an opinion, should be sacrosanct, whereas, things like a market for drugs / illicit porn (Silk Road), etc. is illegal

@bwDraco cause ISP support is slow.

any ISP should be perfectly fine with hosting a website whose activity is limited to expressing opinions

> Cloudflare took a neutral position, arguing it wanted nothing to do with policing people's content. It provided the site's DNS and a proxy service

and that includes providers like cloudflare

and that's cause they don't want to upgrade in many cases, and user education is a pain here

FWIW, Time Warner Cable (well before the Charter acquisition) had full IPv6 support for a very long time.

@rahuldottech cloudflare basically went "We don't like you, go away)

@allquixotic It gets questionable when they advocate violence.

@bwDraco you know what I think it is, at the core?

it's hilarious to me, but rings true

@bwDraco my ISP's about the only one that supports it here. And...

IPv6 adoption is slow because IPv6 adoption is slow

chicken and the egg problem

funny part is their support dosen't know how to set it up

...I was just about to say.

no one else is using it, so there's no rush to use it because you wouldn't be using it to connect to anyone else

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, but after the site started saying that cloudflare supports their views

> Cloudflare: We dumped Daily Stormer not because they're Nazis but because they said we love Nazis

@rahuldottech which is silly.

@JourneymanGeek very

@allquixotic It's slow because it's complex. People (and this includes admins) see an IPv6 address and "wtf". IPv4 is simple (on the surface).

@Bob There is literally no IPv6 adoption here in India

@Bob and lots of userland software doesn't support it

sure, your OS might be able to allocate an IPv6 IP, but if your forum database can't store a user's IPv6 address, there's no point

@allquixotic yep

@allquixotic or even your server.

heck, I've literally written software in the past year that doesn't support IPv6

I've written software yesterday that doesn't support IPv6

@allquixotic does it need to support ipv6?

;p

@allquixotic I'm writing software right no- oh wait I write on platforms that handle that for me.

Like ASP.NET :D

@JourneymanGeek chicken and the egg

> [1] While the decisions by Godaddy and Network Solutions respectively to take down those sites were largely content based and thus by definition debatable, I still uphold any company’s right to do decide who they do business with. Similar to how you can’t force a bible-thumping fundamentalist baker to make a cake for a gay wedding if they don’t want to; providers can boot people for whatever reason they want – even flimsy ones.

(on the other hand, MOST of the stuff I run supports ipv6. Other than my phone)

although it's Intranet software, and our Intranet is currently dual stack

@BenN Funnily enough... it's actually Java/Spring these days :P

I feel like I've abandoned .NET :(

(not by personal choice)

Aw :(

@rahuldottech Ah yes, consistency is hard

@Bob WebSphere Liberty supports IPv6, and the default bind port on Windows is :::: or whatever (how many colons is it again? 3? 64? :::::::::::::::::::? :P) but I have specific connection endpoints that are "A" records in the intranet DNS and no AAAA support

Relevant: The Slate Star Codex Political Spectrum Quiz

@allquixotic amusingly, I mainly use AAAA for stuff at home...

@BenN oooh

@allquixotic Ah that... yea my software supports it. The network config... NotMyJob :P

(also cloudflare does 6 to 4 ...)

there's an enterprise IPv6 strategy, which basically says "our servers will have AAAA records for public-facing applications and will be publicly routable on IPv6"

internal apps, no promises

@JourneymanGeek I still use IPv4-only at home

@Bob see what I said about ISPs

I think my routers support IPv6 but I'm lazy and my ISP probably won't support it for another decade, soooo...

My ISP is vaguely terrible

but there's two nice things. 1) they also do TV, so while I live with my parents, its simpler

Though I'm not exactly helping the IPv4 shortage

2) IPV6, though if I moved out...

between different servers I think I have like 50 IPv4 addresses allocated to me

I'd go with another ISP (with static ipv4 at a small one time charge) and tunneled ipv6

@Bob wow, you're the IPv4 equivalent of an American's oil consumption footprint :P

(most Americans use like 10x more oil than most other people IIRC)

Honestly, I have absolutely no idea about how IPv6 works simply because I doubt it's going to gain any traction before like a decade here in India

@rahuldottech actually, not that differently from ipv4

will NATing internal IPs be common on IPv6, does anyone know? I mean, outside of server environments especially; like on consumer premises

just that you need to set your servers to listen to it, and your clients to listen to it, and stuff like ping is SLIGHTLY different.

@JourneymanGeek I should look it up, but eh

Also, I need to go study, exams in a week

@allquixotic ... the whole point of ipv6 is to avoid nat ;p

because there is the possibility that bad firewall rules like "ALLOW ALL THE TRAFFIC" will lead to security vulns and exposed ports on IPv6, whereas with IPv4, the NAT protected it by not forwarding

Goodbye folks

and no

@rahuldottech Bye!

most CPEs don't have a ipv6 firewall yet ._.

@allquixotic NAT isn't really security ;p

@allquixotic Most likely, yes, because some dumbass ISPs are providing a single IPv6 address.

@JourneymanGeek yeah, but how many intrusions has it actively prevented when people misconfigure their firewall and have vulnerable open port services that the NAT blocks?

A single address. A /128. 1 address out of 2^128.

Goddamn idiots.

o0

@allquixotic ehhh, assuming anyoone can even scan them

granted I turned off ipv6 on my XP systems ;p

@JourneymanGeek Easy. Set up website, someone accesses your website via IPv6, hey you found an address to portscan!

ah true

but then they can also do that with v4, and if you're running a server...

On the security site I'd hope any formerly-NAT router provides a basic NAT-like firewall by default.

@JourneymanGeek early days /128 allocation to actual users will look like, OK, if you took a 1920x1080 screen, and randomly picked about 12 pixels on the screen to fill in as black, those pixels are the "lit" / routable IPv6 addresses

eh. I SUPPOSE if you ran a server and had it port forwarded and...

it would be easy to focus port scanning efforts on those known allocated areas

@allquixotic the /128 allocation is just dumb

especially since most people have multiple devices

(Amusingly my ISP once disallowed more than one device on a connection...)

then were the first to give free routers ._.

@JourneymanGeek It's alarmingly common on VPSes, too.

Did I also mention the arbitrary port blocks?

If it were me, I'd have picked a 16-bit address space as the default, minimal granularity level to allocate IPv6s to customers, both for servers and end-users

the chance of either an end-user or a single server needing more than ~65000 IPs is tiny

we haven't yet even imagined a use case for that many

large enterprises would get a 32-bit address space so that they could comfortably fit in dozens of IP addresses per employee/customer (4 billion)

the 64-bit allocations are a bit overzealous imo

@allquixotic They are, but they're that big for a reason - they let SLAAC with EUI-64 work :P

how many unique /64 allocations are possible in IPv6? I forget the number

EUI-64 encodes the MAC address so you'd need at least 48 bits

@allquixotic too many :P

@Bob enough for every lightbulb in the world to have a /64?

maybe

@Bob On Linode, /56 and /64 are available upon request: linode.com/docs/networking/how-to-enable-native-ipv6-on-linux

if you gave a lightbulb a /64, you could access it with a one-use, throwaway IP address every single time you turned it on or off, and it would not come close to exhausting its IP pool by the time the LEDs finally burnt out after 25 years

hm

I feel like I'm forgetting something on my home linux box ._.

@allquixotic almost enough for each grain of sand

> the Earth has roughly (and we're speaking very roughly here) 7.5 x 10^18

> Only one eighth of the total address space is currently allocated for use on the Internet, 2000::/3

I'm trying to imagine something that occurs frequently enough that you could exhaust IPv6 in reasonable time by allocating an IP address to each one

That's 2^125 addresses, or 2^61 /64s, or 2.305843e+18 /64s

that's kinda what we're trying to avoid

@allquixotic an IP address to each one, is literally impossible

an IPv6 address for each frame rendered to a computer monitor by a GPU?

something about the heat death of the universe

@allquixotic why?

a /64 for each one miiiiiiiiiiiiight be achievable

@JourneymanGeek to be silly

60 per monitor per second

say 10 billion screens receiving frames per second (high estimate?)

@allquixotic Are you still talking /64s, or /128s?

;p

he's talking cray cray.

@Bob one IP per frame, since the /64 idea would probably result in, ah, somewhat rapid exhaustion?

consumption rate of 600 billion per second...

@allquixotic I need to dig up the reference, but something about it being literally impossible to count to 2^128 with all the entropy in the universe

Oh, that was for 2^256

18,921,600,000 billion screen refreshes per year on the planet

And not universe

I think my RAM is corrupted :(

and that's still shy of exhausting /64 allocations per screen refresh in a year

Besides, even if we do come somewhere near exhausting IPv6, we can always come up with a new protocol.

@Bob DOWNLOAD MOAR RAM!

Not that we would ever run out.

ipv 8 10?

the only way we run out of IPv6 is if we horribly, horribly mismanage it, IMO

So for all intents and purposes, it's a total non-issue.

like allocating people unfathomably huge pieces of it

@allquixotic s/we horribly, horribly mismanage it/someone hacks the registry/

@JourneymanGeek Oh, it was SixXS I was thinking of

@BenN Those are some pretty small plans :P

@Bob not suprised they went down

@JourneymanGeek It's mildly insane, but... I want to try lxqt on win10 :P

0_0

on WSL?

ya :P

hm

what's the easiest way to stream my screen, I wonder

vlc ;p

I just bought a 512 GB 960 Pro

0_0

BRB while I draw up a game plan for improving my behavior, both in chat and in real life.

@JourneymanGeek huh, does that do outgoing streams?

@Bob yup

and video capture

windows 10 also does miracast streaming natively

@JourneymanGeek hm. seems to be point-to-point

ah I suppose

what was that other one...

hm

@JourneymanGeek this is probably crazy, but now I'm looking at writing a custom server :D

Quick question: is anyone familair with USB protocol? I'm not clear on something: with usb 1.0 will devices always operate at very near the 1.5 mbps defined max or can they operate much slower then this if they are designed too?

Pulling out all stops huh :P

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh a talking taco!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh a talking Bob!

@AshwinGupta Why would anyone run USB 1.0? 0_0

@ATaco AHHHH A TACO TALKER!

@JourneymanGeek in simple words: space-flight hardware

@AshwinGupta Pretty sure 1.0 got replaced with 1.1 pretty rapidly...

(also, USB in space flight hardware? 0_0)

yeah well actually it is 1.1

I used 1.0 for simplification

whatever same question applies

oh, that makes sense

1.1 was around for quite a while

yup

I'd actually suggest asking this as a question on the main site, with whatever details you can spare, cause the moment you talk about space flight, its HNQ material

There's a specific user who's insanely good at USB stuff

If you're dealing with space flight, reading the USB spec is probably a good idea.

That too :p

morning

i've flagged this wrong but its spam: superuser.com/q/1249582/393570

looks like the SD crew got it first

@bwDraco I see you trying to self improve, but I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to improve?

being neurotic in NY is a valid career path (see: woody allen)

@Burgi that's... a bit mean

he's made millions!

hence the bit I suppose.

but that's the sort of thing its not exactly nice to refer someone else as?

true i suppose

i was actually trying to think of another example but totally failed

oooh!!!!!

I have a pending edit on this but as is... cooking.stackexchange.com/a/84326/1790 this is hilarious

peter parker is a photographer in NYC!

CONFIRMED: @bwDraco IS SPIDERMAN

hm. This is plausible

> It is because boiling milk expanse more then faster the boiling water. So the cattle needs to NOT have a lid on, if the lid is off you can boil milk in a cattle, just take it of the heat right before it tries to expand.

> You can boil milk in a cattle

._.

the entire herd or just a couple of cows?

well a cattle

I would assume one bovine of indeterminate gender, presumably spherical...

Attach alligator leads to udders....

@djsmiley2k attach alligator to cow...

sourcetree has changed its icon

@djsmiley2k "assume a spherical cow..."

@Bob @ThatBrazilianPony have you ever used concrete5? if so do you have any opinions on it?

@Bob =)

@Burgi I've only ever used Drupal for a CMS. concrete5 loses a point for an unusable menu on touch :P

do you roll your own CMS for clients?

@Burgi we... don't do CMSes

single-page app for rather special purpose

not public-facing websites

@Burgi hmm... close, yea

I smell smoke

again?

Having a stroke?

> The strongest winds are expected to arrive in the west around midnight and move quickly eastwards, with the worst of the winds likely to affect any one place for 1-2 hours. Gusts of 70-75 mph are most likely over hills and western coasts, but even further east gusts of 60-70 mph are possible.

yaaaaaaas

metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/…

Here comes the wind!

via twitter.com/tomgauld/status/907176391959080960

;)

lol

Eh, this is weird. Someone help me out.

This new girl joined my school a few months ago, and I became pretty good friends with her because she's from the same state and stuff and we relate to each other. A couple of weeks after that, my girlfriend became friends with said girl too because apparently they have common friends

And everything was okay till it was pointed out to me by my girlfriend that said new girl was talking about me a bit too fondly behind my back. And my girlfriend's not the type to get insecure at all, so now I don't know what to do.

I mean, it's completely platonic and I know that it'll remain that way, but how do I assure my girlfriend and more importantly, how do I set boundaries with this other friend?

You've already set boundries, you can't help it if someone likes you.

Trust is a 2 way thing, your gf needs to learn to trust you won't do anything

You can't convince her of this, no matter how you try.

@djsmiley2k high school romance doesn't seem to work that way :P

@djsmiley2k We do trust each other. Just that this friend of ours is kinda making stuff uncomfortable

I'm facepalming so hard at my life right now

well then your gf should ask her to back off

but... sigh

people are complicated ;D

I'm pretty sure @rahuldottech is in one of those japanese highschool romances and dosen't realise it

LOL

@djsmiley2k Would potentially mess up our friend circle? (it has other common friends in it too)

@JourneymanGeek -_-

:/

If people can't take it, they need to grow up :<

There is no solution where everyone is happy

could always try for a threesome... shrug ;)

@Burgi I expected nothing less from you :P

I think I just died. Read the comments: reddit.com/r/theworldisflat/comments/6soqiv/…

I don't even.

@djsmiley2k This is a very, very old issue and it's kinda hard for me to explain, but long story short, I have emotional conditions that are exacerbated by having very little outside social contact with others.

I've been trying to get some sort of solution working over the past several years and I can't seem to work it out.

One thing to realize is that @JourneymanGeek was like me, too, yet he managed to become a mod, so that brings a glimmer of hope that we're not at a dead end.

@bwDraco old issues are the worst.

I regularly pretend to function as a 'normal' human being.

I try to do the right thing and I pride myself for being an active spam fighter, having played a pivotal role in identifying and shutting down several spam rings operating on Super User.

@bwDraco Everyone's a unique sort of messed in the head ;p

But sometimes, my emotional impulses get the best of me.

I've invested many, many years of work into improving my condition. Things are finally starting to get better, but there's still much work to be done.

Bear in mind that I've been through much worse times, having gotten myself suspended on the main site early last year.

Look, I'm passionate about bettering myself. I sometimes take it too seriously, though, and that's when issues often come up. 🤔

well, good luck with it.

@djsmiley2k Thanks 😃

I AM SO STUPID

@JourneymanGeek ...you know what? That... could actually work O_O

Makes perfect sense ;p

So... more processor talk. wccftech.com/…

@rahuldottech why

@Avery because I should be studying

This falls in line with my expectations. Intel maintains a single-threaded performance lead but I wonder how much of a gain this ultimately is, at 196 vs 192...

@rahuldottech ok do that

@Avery yep

I think the more exciting part is that 6C processors are finally becoming mainstream.

yus

forget everyything else

Good luck, @rahuldottech.

@bwDraco my server is still dual core ;(

@bwDraco :)

It still looks like AMD has the better SMT implementation, with the Ryzen 5 1600X being not far behind the faster-clocked Intel processor in multithreaded benchmarks, but most games still care mostly about clocks and IPC rather than cores.

So, if you're mainly a gamer, Intel is still the safer pick.