Root Access

Journeyman Geek

11:02

@Bob k

Rahul2001

@Bob kewl

;p

jokerdino

@Bob ok?

Rahul2001

lol, so much snarkiness :P

Bob

...wtf is going on o.O

djsmiley2k

ur a star

Where did you go btw, I presume you weren't on a train

Rahul2001

11:17

Okay, wtf

This person posted asking for someone to create a JavaScript calculator of their specifications for USD 10

I agreed, and then they tell me that it's for a vaping website, which is 18+

djsmiley2k

javascript calculator can't be that hard...

ok?

jokerdino

@Rahul2001 ok?

djsmiley2k

you're writing code, not smoking the product

Rahul2001

Meh, ok then

Not sure of the legality but eh

djsmiley2k

'OMG I CREATED THE ATOM BOMB. NOW I'M RESPOSIBLE FOR ALL THE DEATHS' - ! Richard Feynman

jokerdino

11:19

yeah, sounds about right

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k that's oppenheimer ;p

jokerdino

It was Bhagavat Gita.

djsmiley2k

Richard Phillips Feynman was an American theoretical physicist known for his work in the path ... He assisted in the development of the atomic bomb during World War II and became known to a wide public in the 1980s as

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek "! Richard Feyman" - ! is not, so what he's basically saying is that Richard Feynman didn't say it, someone else did

djsmiley2k

ty @Rahul2001 for understanding.

Rahul2001

11:21

;p

Journeyman Geek

ah, Oppenheimer quoted the Gita ;p

jokerdino

@Rahul2001 m9

Journeyman Geek

wired.co.uk/article/manhattan-project-robert-oppenheimer

Bob

@djsmiley2k got home pretty late (via train), had dinner

Burgi

> The Surgery Burger £15.00
Double stacked pattie, chargrilled buttermilk marinated chicken breast, cheese, crispy smoked streaky bacon, onion ring, lettuce, tomato, gherkin, burger sauce

drools

djsmiley2k

11:22

nomnom

Burgi

@djsmiley2k it was earnst rutherford

Bob

@Rahul2001 I'm curious where you find these people :P

djsmiley2k

One of those coding for cash sitesw?

Rahul2001

@Bob upwork.com

djsmiley2k

no one for sysadmins :(

Rahul2001

11:23

djsmiley2k

@Burgi This at that burger place you linked before? with milkshakes?

Rahul2001

Landed my first (so-called) job! \o/

Burgi

@djsmiley2k don't think so

Bob

@Rahul2001 o.O

Burgi

@Rahul2001 $10 seems too low

djsmiley2k

11:24

oh, there IS :O

@Burgi javascript calculator?

Burgi

yeah

djsmiley2k

should be example code online xD

Rahul2001

@Burgi Meh, it's ok for my first job

The thing is...

Bob

looks like fiverr :P

Rahul2001

They linked another website online and said they want something identical... And I can just copy the stuff from that site :P

Burgi

11:26

that happens a lot

djsmiley2k

@Rahul2001 that'd be naughty

Burgi

be careful to change it enough to not be accused of theft

Bob

>
Urgent Requirement for Programming: C++, Java

This is a small program that needs to be done in Java and C++. Please reply if you are available.

totally not homework, trust me

Rahul2001

@Burgi Yeah

@Bob lol

Bob

@Burgi or, you know, don't steal

it's alright to have something as basic as a calculator look the same :P

Burgi

11:29

nods

Bob

it's not ~~theft~~ copyright infringement unless you're literally copying the code

(or basing your code off theirs I suppose... though that's grey)

jokerdino

@djsmiley2k it's not like he's running though fields of wheat.

2

Burgi

like in signs?

Bob

>

Fixed Price
Budget: $5
$$$

Expert Level

@_@

djsmiley2k

Expert ($$$) - Est. Budget: $5

yeah....

I mean there's some nice stuff on there for someone who wants to admin loadso f machines

but I need something slightly more structured.

Bob

11:32

these are rather amusing

@djsmiley2k freelancer jobs are rarely structured

Rahul2001

upwork.com/jobs/_~01ef15eb78e40a9074

@Bob Do you find this realistic? ^

Bob

@Rahul2001 access restricted

I don't have an account

Rahul2001

> Annual Maintenance Contract (AMC) for www.krupalu.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
1) Domain Name Renewal
2) VPS Hosting
3) Website Maintenance (Text/Image changes if any)
4) Dedicated IP
5) SSL Certificate (Any)
6) Email Technical Support (Google; Will provide admin login)
7) Website Scanner for Security against malware and web virus (Any)
8) Regular Backups

Note:

1. The cost for ALL above 8 things have been included in AMC amount of US $250.
2. AMC amount of $250 mentioned is for a year.

Bob

@Rahul2001 Uh. No, that's definitely a lowball offer.

Rahul2001

@Bob Yeah. How much do you think I should counter for?

Burgi

11:35

its at least $250/mth

djsmiley2k

@Rahul2001 Hahaha

Bob

I mean. Just costs: domain name $15, VPS $120 (cheap-ish, no redundancy), IP comes with VPS, SSL free (letsencrypt), backups easy enough

djsmiley2k

they paying you $250, or think you can get a IP for $250?

Bob

But regular website maintenance is a huge pain (and big $$)

tech support is a huuuuuuuuuuuge pain

@djsmiley2k hm? The IP address is the (second?) easiest part of the lot :P

djsmiley2k

@Rahul2001 A sysadmin can expect a wage of at least £18k

Burgi

11:37

a junior sysadmin

Bob

the $250, for a student like you, honestly isn't so bad for setting up some of these things. but the website maintenance and tech support kills it.

djsmiley2k

^^

The experience of setting them up would be good

but that'd be the whole and total point of it

Regular backups to where?

Bob

@djsmiley2k a sysadmin would also be managing far more than one piddly website though

djsmiley2k

How large is the hosting?

@Bob Does this say it's piddly?

For all I know, it does the same traffic as netflix

Bob

@djsmiley2k www.krupalu.com

listed in the post :P

djsmiley2k

11:39

It's not even loading.

Burgi

slooooooooooooooooooooooow

Bob

lol

probably why they want this!

I loaded it a min ago

djsmiley2k

xD wow

I gave up, and went to try and register the url

Burgi

where the hell is this server located? on mars?

Bob

lol wow. 158.69.247.25 it's hosted by OVH

djsmiley2k

11:40

o_O

Bob

maybe on OVH's lowest-tier VPS...

djsmiley2k

I don't even

reverse proxy to someones backyard?

xD

Bob

@djsmiley2k anyway, I refreshed and lost it, but it was a pretty basic company services kind of page

Burgi

@Bob EWEBGURU.COM

Bob

maybe 5-10 pages of content

@Burgi o.O

Burgi

11:42

thats who hosts it

Bob

@Burgi how'd you find that?

I did the standard lookups... hm

Rahul2001

@Bob huh, so they don't need all that they've listed?

Burgi

whois

Rahul2001

I think I can come up with something decent

Burgi

look at the nameservers

Bob

11:42

@Rahul2001 yes they do...

Burgi

they could be a reseller for OVH

Bob

@Burgi oh, right, the ns

@Burgi lol their own website is horribly slow too

> 99.9% uptime guarantee

Rahul2001

@Bob Meh, I can host it on my own server, cut the VPS costs

Was the website this?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160415025115/http://krupalu.com/index.php

Burgi

@Rahul2001 so they would get hosting for free....

Bob

@Rahul2001 yea that's the one

Rahul2001

11:44

Meh, I'd charge 200/month

Bob

@Burgi I think their idea is the $250 is meant to cover hosting :P

They wanted to pay $250/*year*

Burgi

yes

Rahul2001

@Burgi If I charge 200/month, it seems decent enough?

Burgi

@Rahul2001 only if they have no tech support issues

djsmiley2k

0

Q: Tripwire to read audit logs to find out if user who modified file is allowed

Can I make tripwire only report on specific users changing a file? The issue is that i want to monitor a file that is being changed regularly but I only want notifications for any user (group) who is not allowed to change it. I can't believe there is no information on this anywhere. Has someone ...

well that's the most stupid question of the day.

Burgi

11:45

are they expecting 24/7 support?

djsmiley2k

The system returned: (110) Connection timed out

Bob

the page looks like a dreamweaver-designed thing or summat...

djsmiley2k

:381583 aND THE ip?

Bob

@Burgi keep in mind the country though

djsmiley2k

wHAT'S THE sla?

Burgi

11:47

but the tech support could end up as multiple requests a day and eat into his profit

Bob

@djsmiley2k SLA? At $250/yr for all that crap? You're joking, right? :P

@Burgi Yea, the maintenance and tech support I'd be iffy about cause it's incredibly vague

The others can be quoted for

djsmiley2k

No, I'm pointing out that it's a bad idea

Bob

But you can't really flat-rate tech support

Burgi

$200/mth but limit them to 8 hours of support per month with no rollovers

djsmiley2k

we charge by ticket here

they bulk buy X tickets, each one over is charged extra.

Bob

11:49

Yea, support credits/tickets works. Alternatively support hours.

Rahul2001

Hi. Let me just start with this, your offer is unrealistic. Really so. No professional will be willing to do it for you for such a low price. My co-workers call your offer ridiculous.

Let's just break costs down:
Domain Name: USD 20/year
VPS: $120 (cheap-ish, no redundancy)/year
Dedicated/proper SSL: USD 200/year [https://ssl.comodo.com/]

That's 350 USD in just preliminary costs, excluding any of my work and time.

Your current website doesn't even load properly.

However, I think I have an offer for you, which should work perfectly. I have analysed your website and needs, and this is my …

@bob I'm sending this to them

Bob

Honestly? the domain name, hosting, IP, SSL and backups I'd say $30/month min. it's not that much time spent.

The others would not be included though

Rahul2001

seems ok?

Burgi

@Rahul2001 take out the bit were you host it

Bob

@Rahul2001 lol "cheap-ish, no redundancy" ain't professional :D

Burgi

11:51

you REALLY do not want the responsibility

Rahul2001

@Burgi Okay

Bob

you are kinda suggesting that you'll be giving them a Comodo cert though

Rahul2001

@Bob I will, comes free with cpanel XD

Bob

o.O

Rahul2001

Well, cpanel is owned by comodo

Bob

11:53

"dedicated support" that sounds ... iffy

like. they can call you at any time of the day iffy.

don't you have school?

also, do you know where these guys are? what if they need support at 2am your local time?

Rahul2001

India, I think

T

djsmiley2k

@Bob This

Rahul2001

@Bob Hm, "I'll offer you support where I'll get back to you within 8 hours?"

Bob

keep in mind what you are capable of

Burgi

@Bob @Rahul2001 their current hosting provider offers a VPS for $100/year

Bob

11:54

@Burgi their current hosting provider is dogshit

Burgi

ewebguru.com/vps.php

djsmiley2k

@Rahul2001 that's not how a SLA works...

How often do you want them to call you every 5 minutes?

Rahul2001

Meh, they're getting what's reasonable for their money

djsmiley2k

what if they call you every hour, for a 32 hour period?

Yeah I agree

but you need to set it out clearly what you're offering, if you're serious about it

Bob

@Burgi $125 USD/yr actually

Rahul2001

11:56

@djsmiley2k okay

djsmiley2k

@Rahul2001 And when do they pay?

Bob

@djsmiley2k Yea, @Rahul2001, do what @djsmiley2k said and set out some number of included support requests.

djsmiley2k

and are you old enough to do this?

Burgi

i only converted to GBP and didn't tweak for USD

Rahul2001

@Bob okay

Bob

11:56

@Burgi I just guessed $120/yr off the top of my head tbh :P

Rahul2001

@djsmiley2k through upwork, they get charged before the job, I get the cash after it's done

Bob

but looking at their lowest-tier VPS

yea an OVH lowest-tier VPS beats that

by a good margin

O_O OVH redirects to .com.au now

Burgi

you don't know what else they are hanging off the back of this VPS

Rahul2001

Revised:

Hi. Let me just start with this, your offer is unrealistic. Really so. No professional will be willing to do it for you for such a low price. My co-workers call your offer ridiculous.

Let's just break costs down:
Domain Name: USD 20/year
VPS: $120 (no redundancy)/year
Dedicated/proper SSL: USD 200/year [https://ssl.comodo.com/]

That's 350 USD in just preliminary costs, excluding any of my work and time.

Your current website doesn't even load properly.

However, I think I have an offer for you, which should work perfectly. I have analysed your website and needs, and this is my offer:

Bob

wtf CPU runs at 1.12 GHz

I wanna know :P

@Burgi presumably just the website

and it can't be worse than their current host :P

Journeyman Geek

12:00

@Rahul2001 tho, if its a single domain, letsencrypt is fine. Also comodo is evil

Burgi

@Bob cpu-world.com/sspec/QE/QETF.html

Bob

@Burgi That's Itanium.

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek Yeah well, I'm not paying comodo anything, I hate them too

Burgi

you wanted to know which CPU ran at that speed

Journeyman Geek

I wouldn't mention the provider

Rahul2001

12:01

@Bob That seems ok? ^

@JourneymanGeek okay

Bob

@Rahul2001 I'd say specify it's email support

Rahul2001

okay

Bob

@JourneymanGeek If @Rahul2001 is actually using Comodo, mentioning them is fine. As long as you can provide.

But they did specify VPS and dedicated IP.

Are you going to provide that?

Journeyman Geek

yup

@Bob his breakdown does have that.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yes, but he's also suggested he'll host it on his current host.

Which is shared hosting IIRC.

Rahul2001

12:03

@Bob I'm not offering a dedicated IP or VPS, I've specified that

Journeyman Geek

also, eh, does sound a bit bad when you go " No professional will be willing to do it for you for such a low price. My co-workers call your offer ridiculous"

Rahul2001

:/

Journeyman Geek

"I don't think you can get the level of reliability and service you need on your budget. However - I'd like to suggest a better alternative"

Bob

@Rahul2001 heh. honestly that's not expensive :P

under 50 USD for a year on an OVH VPS, which includes the IP addr

Rahul2001

@Bob Okay, then, offering VPS too

Bob

12:07

but it's entirely up to you

you likely won't be able to use the Comodo cert there

and you won't have cpanel

Rahul2001

Hm, okay, I'll talk to them about it

Okay, I need to get back to my first job now :P

@Bob @JourneymanGeek @Burgi Thanks for all the help!

bwDraco

12:30

roar

@FaheemMitha: Try running bootutil64e -up=combo -all -file=/usr/local/src/Intel_Network_Card_Boot_Utility/APPS/Bo‌otUtil/BootIMG.FLB‌.

The Combo image won't lose the PXE functionality, but I don't know if your network adapter supports it.

Also, the answer you posted should be edited into the question instead.

The measage you're getting indicates that this firmware image provides PXE functionality, and is being overwritten with a firmware that provides EFI functionality. You may be able to include both; try -up=combo.

Faheem Mitha

13:06

@bwDraco Ok, I'll check what the docs say. And I think a transcript really belongs as a (supplemental) answer. Do you disagree?

@bwDraco I'm guessing it doesn't support this combo functionality. I get:

> Updating PXE+EFI removes EFI functionality.

Burgi

@Rahul2001 no worries

DavidPostill

@FaheemMitha As I commented, I disagree. As it stands it doesn't answer the question. Answer need to be self contained and not commentaries on the question or another answer.

bwDraco

@FaheemMitha It works. You'll get both. It just means you're replacing the EFI-only firmware.

@FaheemMitha That information should be used to expand the question. Answers are just that.

Faheem Mitha

13:22

@DavidPostill It's a walkthrough of how to get the desired result. I think it's useful. It's not a "commentary" on anything.

If someone happens on this question/answer in a year or two, they can see exactly what someone else did to get there.

And "Answer need to be self contained". Citation, please. I've seen many supplemental answers over the years. I've written a few myself.

What does "self contained" mean, anyway?

I though the main point of SE was to provide useful and helpful information. Which is what I'm trying to do here.

I could consider my question solved, and exit stage left. But that's not what I'm doing here.

@bwDraco Oh, are you sure? Ok, I'll give it a try.

@bwDraco You were right. Thank you.

bwDraco

Thanks for expanding your answer post into an actual attempt to answer the question.

Also, your question made it to Hot Network Questions, congratulations!

Burgi

13:52

i am so sleepy

Rahul2001

ha ha ha... twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/495384828427374592

Not Dog

14:10

ffs

allquixotic

14:24

O/ Got the new 12.9" iPad Pro :)

Rahul2001

@allquixotic cool!

allquixotic

the on-screen keyboard and the physical keyboard cover are both awesome, as is the Pencil, the dynamic 30 - 60 - 120 Hz display (depending on what you're doing), and even the battery life is fantastic

Rahul2001

Honestly, it's not my thing, but good for you!

allquixotic

but I say "fantastic battery life" comparing it to the iPhone 7 Plus (battery life was bad when I got it and has gotten worse over a year), and also comparing it to Core U/H series laptops which generally don't have great battery life with a couple of exceptions

especially H laptops are generally around half as durable as the iPad's battery

bwDraco

I am so envious.

Journeyman Geek

14:27

@FaheemMitha literally, you don't want to read something else to get the answer

bwDraco

Not an iOS fan, but I really need to find a job soon.

allquixotic

as an iOS fan who wasn't 2 years ago, you basically have to buy into the ecosystem and get at least two Apple devices to really appreciate how well they integrate / how poorly most other manufacturers' devices don't integrate

perhaps the runner-up on integration would be Microsoft? If you go full stack Microsoft with all their latest devices?

bwDraco

The real problem is that openness and tight integration are mutually exclusive. I'm more on the openness side of things.

allquixotic

never been impressed by Samsung's integration; each of their devices is a fortress that talks to nothing else, with the exception of their Android Wear watches obviously :P

bwDraco

Feb 12 '16 at 2:03, by bwDraco

Sadly, "vertical integration" and "open platform" are mutually exclusive in practice and so Android will never match iOS in efficiency...

Burgi

14:29

@Rahul2001 what did i miss?

bwDraco

The same holds for horizontal integration.

Faheem Mitha

@bwDraco Thank you for your help.

Rahul2001

@Burgi you online?

Burgi

yes?

Rahul2001

(deleting in 5...4...3..)

Burgi

14:31

i just had a mini crisis meeting

allquixotic

this iPad Smart Keyboard might be my favorite keyboard of all time for just plain QWERTY typing, though... obviously not as good for programming as it's missing Home/End, PgUp/PgDn and a number pad, but it's got this awesome rubbery feel to it, no gaps between the keys and the back (the entire surface of the keyboard is rubberized), and very quick response time

Burgi

@Rahul2001 is that the one you've made?

Rahul2001

@Burgi Indeed

allquixotic

I would like a full-fat laptop with a keyboard this good... throw in a TrackPoint or a good (with superior palm rejection!) trackpad, and I'd snap it up in a heartbeat

Rahul2001

@Burgi modified from an open source one

Burgi

14:33

cool

Rahul2001

IKR!?

Burgi

you need to have a warning when you approach the lethal dose

Bob

@Rahul2001 don't forget to credit source as per licence

bwDraco

@allquixotic I just wish more PC manufacturers (who are not Microsoft, the Surface family is fantastic) paid more attention to hardware quality and UX.

Rahul2001

@Bob will do

Burgi

14:36

> This mix is not feasible. You may need to lower your target nic, VG or PG content, or flavoring. Alternatively, use a stronger nic base liquid, or a nic base liquid with a different VG/PG ratio. Please adjust your settings until all numbers are greater than zero. Your target nicotine level is higher than your nicotine base strength. You should either get a stronger nic base liquid, or lower your target nic strength.

Rahul2001

@Burgi Don't ask me, idk much about vaping, ffs

Burgi

the lethal dose of nicotine is 60mg per kilo

allquixotic

@bwDraco Agreed.

bwDraco

@FaheemMitha So... is your system booting in UEFI mode?

If so, be sure to click the check below the voting controls to accept the answer so that we know it solved your problem.

jokerdino

15:01

@Rahul2001 e-cig I think

Rahul2001

@jokerdino yeh

Rahul2001

15:22

The person keeps making me do redesign

Wtf I'm getting paid 10 USD

DavidPostill

@Rahul2001 Uh oh. Help Vampire alert

Rahul2001

@DavidPostill yes, apparently

Burgi

@Rahul2001 thats the problem with the vague briefs you have been picking

too much scope for feature creep

Rahul2001

@Burgi heh yeah

DavidPostill

On the other hand, for a $10 job you are unlikely to get a detailed spec ...

Burgi

15:35

true

Faheem Mitha

@bwDraco Unfortunately, no. When I turn off that compat mode, it just comes back to the BIOS. Or whatever it's called.

However, it's not showing that error about the network card any more.

bwDraco

@FaheemMitha That means the OS is not set up to boot in UEFI native mode. At that point, you'll need to reconfigure or reinstall the OS to enable UEFI support. Is there an EFI System Partition?

The UEFI problem with the network adapter is solved, though.

Faheem Mitha

@bwDraco I was just trying to boot a CD. The Debian installer CD.

My install is definitely not set up to boot in UEFI mode, and I wasn't expecting it to.

bwDraco

What version?

Faheem Mitha

When I switch to UEFI mode, the only thing that I see is the CD drive.

bwDraco

15:45

Okay...

Faheem Mitha

@bwDraco What version of Debian? The upcoming stable. Stretch.

bwDraco

If it's Debian 9, there's no reason for it to not support UEFI.

Faheem Mitha

I think it should be able to boot in UEFI mode. I just asked a question about it on U&L, and requested and received screenshots.

@bwDraco Agreed.

In any case, I'll accept your answer, since my MB flakiness is probably a whole separate issue.

I actually don't understand what the compat mode (CSM?) is saying. Here's an example:

Boot from Storage Device (and the options follow):
Both, Legacy OpROM first
Both, UEFI first
Legacy OpROM first
UEFI driver first
Ignore

What's the difference between Both, UEFI first and EFI driver first?

Avery

@FaheemMitha latter just loads UEFI

bwDraco

@FaheemMitha Enables the CSM, but determines whether you want to give priority to UEFI booting or legacy mode.

The system can be set up to enable the CSM but still provide the UEFI services.

Faheem Mitha

15:53

I'm not sure I follow.

bwDraco

"Legacy OpROM" refers to legacy BIOS option ROM booting (needed if you have devices that don't support UEFI, not any more :P)

Faheem Mitha

@bwDraco Yes, I got that.

bwDraco

> Both, Legacy OpROM first

Faheem Mitha

So both Both, UEFI first and EFI driver first enable CSM?

bwDraco

Enables both UEFI and legacy BIOS (CSM) booting but tries to use the CSM first.

Faheem Mitha

15:54

and give priority to UEFI? If so, what's the difference?

bwDraco

@FaheemMitha The latter does not.

Avery

^

Faheem Mitha

@bwDraco Oh.

Bob

@FaheemMitha EFI driver probably refers to actual hardware drivers.

Faheem Mitha

@Bob huh. That's confusing.

Bob

15:55

Like, you can load drivers for storage devices that the firmware doesn't natively support.

Faheem Mitha

I just tried disabling CSM entirely. And then nothing happened. I expected the CD to boot, at least.

Bob

@FaheemMitha Think Windows device drivers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

EFI driver first means load a driver for unrecognised hardware, then continue

bwDraco

@FaheemMitha Okay. You're getting this because the card has been flashed to support both EFI and legacy booting.

Faheem Mitha

@Bob Yes, Linux has device drivers too.

Burgi

@Rahul2001 did you take a look at that test?

Bob

15:56

As for EFI-booting Debian, there's a few ways.

bwDraco

11

A: Computer refuses to boot in UEFI mode - gives error about Intel Gigabit network card

The problem here is that your network adapter's firmware, or option ROM, does not support UEFI. An add-on card can have its own executable code for use in the preboot environment. The VBIOS on a graphics card, used to initialize the GPU and display at boot time, is an example of such an option ...

Bob

IIRC the default is via grub-efi. I'm not a fan of it personally.

I like to use EFIstub.

@bwDraco I'm explaining an option he asked about. I'm aware of the history, and it's not directly relevant here.

Faheem Mitha

@bwDraco If it supports both, why can't it use UEFI though?

Bob

@FaheemMitha If you have an existing grub-pc install, you would need to install grub-efi correctly.

bwDraco

You can. You're basically selecting priority.

Bob

15:58

Some instructions here wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall

FYI Debian Live does not support EFI boot either.

Debian installer does though.

Faheem Mitha

@Bob Hmm. Ok. we're still talking about the Debian installer, right?

bwDraco

If CSM is enabled, you can tell it to use the legacy option ROM, UEFI drivers, or both (with an option to give priority to either one). That's what those menu options are for.

Bob

@FaheemMitha nono, switching grub-pc for grub-efi would be done on already installed systems.

@bwDraco Wrong.

Faheem Mitha

My understanding is that it checks whether it's booting in UEFI or Legacy mode, and then proceeds to load the grub-efi thingy.

Bob

"UEFI drivers" are not the same thing as UEFI bootloaders.

bwDraco

15:59

10 mins ago, by Faheem Mitha

Boot from Storage Device (and the options follow):
Both, Legacy OpROM first
Both, UEFI first
Legacy OpROM first
UEFI driver first
Ignore

Bob

UEFI bootloaders are ... bootloaders. UEFI drivers are drivers.

Faheem Mitha

@Bob Ah. As of this moment, I'm just trying to boot the installer.

Bob

They're different things.

bwDraco

We're not talking about the bootloader.

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