👩‍👨‍👦‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‌​‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‍👧‍👩‍👨‍👦‍👧

Seems to be highly dependent on the order of the characters.

theverge.com/tldr/2017/4/24/15405402/…

lol

unicode.org/emoji/charts/emoji-zwj-sequences.html

Wow. Just wow.

Can't believe Unicode specifies all this.

(Gboard emoji selector)

🤠

(U+1F920 FACE WITH COWBOY HAT; requires support for Unicode 9.0 to render correctly.)

Graphemica doesn't seem to recognize this just yet.

@bwDraco Ha, about halfway down the unicode link you posted they start getting into fantasy races. o.O

🧝🏻‍♂️🏻

Male Elf, Light skin tone.

0_0

THAT dosen't quite work for me

Doesn't render on my phone (Android 7.1.2).

U+1F9DD U+1F3FB U+200D U+2642 U+FE0F

(need Unicode 10.0 support to render this correctly)

They've got mages, fairies, vampires, merfolk, elves, genies, and zombies.

Also, 🧟 U+1F9DF ZOMBIE (again, Unicode 10.0).

...which isn't even finalized.

unicode.org/versions/Unicode10.0.0

Bitcoin sign. That's interesting...

techdirt.com/articles/20170421/12072037207/…

@JourneymanGeek lol wow

🧝 (U+1F9DD ELF; apparently intended to represent a Tolkien-style elf)

I'm still not using 2FA, for a lack of decent implementations.

@Bob heh. I like u2f. If it would actually work on my browser, or my pc or...

Don't worry. Steve Gibson will save us all when he finally implements his revolutionary SQRL.

hackaday.com/2017/04/26/…

this is really neat

@JourneymanGeek eh, u2f requires too much involvement from other parties

TOTP is more compatible

except all the TOTP generators absolutely suck

@Bob that's a thing tho. For example google does u2f, but won't support anything but chrome for now

firefox has an implimentation coming out in 6-8 weeks or so...

@JourneymanGeek And none of that would ever work on a phone.

And it's even more impossible to back up.

There's a addon for unlocking windows boxen but it EITHER works on a more expensive key or only local accounts

Most current 2FA methods are a horrible failure at usability.

and one I tired broke my machine.

@JourneymanGeek Neat? I'd get annoyed if my Enter key moved randomly when I tried to hit it.

@MichaelFrank clearly sir, you do not get the joy of the chase.

more seriously? Its more about the force feedback

You'd think that'd be expected and easy.

In reality, just about nothing does it.

Google Authenticator? Nope, no backups.

@Bob I kinda want a passwordless way to unlock a PC ;p

KeePass TOTP plugin/keepass2android? Nope, pain to select the key.

@JourneymanGeek I really don't care about PC unlocking, tbh.

I'm only interested in 2FA for website auth.

I don't FDE my PCs so any actual attacker is getting in anyway.

Manual backup? Cause I think Authy has a backup feature.

At most, a short/easy password to stop the casual snoop.

Write a better one? ;p

@MichaelFrank Didn't Authy fail the security side by transmitting keys to the server?

Export keys to file? Great!

Save keys on server? !!NO

@Bob I hope not :X

@MichaelFrank It does vaguely look like it does what I want, at least.

But, yea... I'm already generating a good chunk of my passwords on KeePass. Overly-paranoid sites aside, that should be more than enough.

Testing 123...

Okay.

Something went oddly wrong.

Seems fine to me

🧙‍‍‍️ (this should look like a witch under Unicode 10.0)

I get a box on Chrome on Windows 10 1703

Unicode 10.0 has not been finalized, per earlier discussions. It's expected to be completed in June.

Ah

DownThemAll is dead. The dev of DTA (one of the biggest Firefox addons) wrote an open letter basically saying "f#@$ Mozilla, I'm done".

Oh, it's from December.

lol

So, basically, in terms of extension support, Firefox is (not so) slowly becoming Edge?

kinda

@bwDraco what amuses me is that the Republicans have control of the House, Senate, Executive and the Courts, and even still they can't pass a law to keep the lights on

@allquixotic and they'll blame the democrats anyway

it's sad that we can look back on the antiquated, paper-based, authoritarian government of the USSR in the 70s and 80s and call that efficient compared to what we have now; they would go through central planning for 5 years at a stretch, and their plans for accomplishing things would be very ambitious and significant, like build a Space Shuttle competitor, build nuclear reactors, etc.

our government's ambitious plan is to just avoid disaster

The problem is that our political system is subject to easy blockading by stakeholders.

It tends to be very difficult to get everyone on the same track.

@bwDraco competing interests and agendas. certain of them valid or downright stupid depending on individual opinions and perspectives.

> This project aims to develop a Linux bootloader implemented as a device driver for Windows.

O_O

@Bob which?!

@allquixotic This.

@allquixotic winkexec

You can also do the inverse (windows from linux) with standard kexec

0_0

@Bob winkexec dosen't seem to have been updated

@Bob meaning execute the Windows kernel natively from a Linux kernel, using kexec?

I guess it just needs to load machine code into memory and set the instruction pointer register

@allquixotic yup, that's what kexec does

to get to windows, people have used the reactos bootloader, or grub4dos

@JourneymanGeek yea, winkexec was mostly a curiosity thing

stump.io/projects/kexec/wiki/WikiStart

stump.io/projects/kexec/wiki/WhyDoIt

but kexec => windows is actually useful

(...like what I'm doing now. given a kvm with netbook, kexec into a different kernel. except I'm not crazy enough to try to get into windows that way)

you know what would be cool? if we stopped having lame bootloaders like grub, and literally had a linux kernel binary (in PE format?! O_O) in the ESP that directly gets loaded by the UEFI firmware

Linux based bootloader that boots up, inits USB input devices and storage layer, and lets you pick your OS -- if you want the native Linux OS, it just starts the appropriate init or whatever without even changing kernels

@allquixotic ...I think you just described syslinux :P

ah, didn't realize that's what it was

@allquixotic add networking + some kinda remote access and its more or less the remote access/control tool a lot of people dream of

@allquixotic I'm actually not sure... I thought it was but it's hard to find a reference now

@JourneymanGeek maybe the next revision of UEFI based mobos will have enough on-board flash to ship a (very stable, hopefully somewhat up to date) Linux distro as the literal UEFI firmware, which could serve as a bootloader itself

@allquixotic that would be shiny

@Bob wouldn't put it past H. Peter Anvin to do something like that with the Linux kernel, but OTOH, it's fairly smaller than the size of Linux + sufficient modules to handle input and storage layers

@allquixotic I mean, you can make one now

I already have kxec-on-boot working just fine

It'd be fairly easy to add an options menu

@allquixotic or just sticking it on a read only USB drive/SD card

@Bob yeah, but a UEFI firmware can't directly invoke a Linux kernel, can it?

and kexec into windows doesn't look too bad, or at least no worse than GRUB

Linux kernels are in ELF format, and whatever UEFI runs has to be in PE format

@allquixotic ...what do you think efistub does? LOL

That thing we did on our servers?

Yea that's literally UEFI directly executing the Linux kernel :D

...OH!

I forgot

All you actually need is the vmlinuz and an initrd

Maybe even drop the initrd if you want to cimpile it directly into the kernel image

I once compiled a Gentoo system with a kernel with only the drivers my laptop needed, all compiled into the kernel, and no extra cruft at all, and no modules

@allquixotic Though, it's questionable benefit over, say, rEFInd

ah

@allquixotic syslinux doesn't use linux :(

@JourneymanGeek Ok. This is crazy. But I almost feel like creating an lxc-launcher that chains into gotty...

@Bob 0_0

@Bob the OpenShift conference was pretty interesting :)

LOL

I thought the writing style in this answer looked familiar superuser.com/a/708282/117590

thanks @allquixotic :D

@allquixotic OpenShift?

Oh. OpenShift.

I'm going to get a bottom basement Skylake Hetzner SSD server for a project I'm working on, and install OpenShift Container Platform on CentOS 7.3 on it

@allquixotic But... Docker? :(

OpenShift is based on Kubernetes, which is better than Docker

@allquixotic lol. what're your actual requirements for the server?

actually it uses Docker container format

@allquixotic Better how?

@Bob Atom Bay Trail with 250 GB HDD? :P significantly over-specced but latency is irrelevant so Hetzner ftw

@Bob security, isolation, manageability

hm

@allquixotic About that... online.net is cheaper :D

lol

@allquixotic How long do you need it for?

@Bob for Skylake with an SSD?

assuming they have stock ;p

@allquixotic Atom with SSD

console.online.net/en/order/server

@Bob until I can figure out how to run OpenShift on Ubuntu 16.04 on my OVH box

@Bob yeah, but I decided to over-spec by a lot and get a Hetzner EX51-SSD

I looked at online.net before I purchased

@allquixotic That doesn't sound bottom-basement :P

I would've gotten their "Dedibox Classic 2016" if it weren't sold out

@allquixotic It comes into stock like 5 times a day

I'm too prone to over-speccing my hardware to go with an Atom even if I only need Atom technically speaking

lol

I mean, I actually have a stock alert on it :P

but I'm happy with Xeon D for this project, in theory

@Bob actually slightly tempted by the current SCs

@JourneymanGeek I'd consider the C2350 to be kinda acceptable but a bit lacking

@allquixotic scaleway.com/pricing

@Bob I'm running the 8gb XC I think

And everything's on a VM anyway

But only a single IPv4 address :\

I believe the workload-intensive series are Xeon

Ah yea, Xeon-D

Which is fine if I don't run a VM ;p

@allquixotic I prefer to start low :P

Turns out, Atom/Avoton's been enough for most (all?) of my testing so far

@allquixotic Oh, lemme know how OpenShift goes? I was actually just about to set up OpenStack with LXD.

OpenStack != OpenShift - very different

and LXD is for machine virtualization (each container is a general purpose machine with command-line tools, robust init process, package management in-container, etc., like a VM)

@allquixotic I know they're different, but I could use either...

OpenShift, Docker, Kubernetes, etc. are for individual daemon/application virtualization (each container is super lightweight and contains only what's needed to run a specific piece of software)

I'll be sticking with the LXD CLI tools on the actual 'prod' dedis.

But for funny little tests? I don't really care if it's LXD, Docker, whatever... a quick way to get a test env up.

@allquixotic Which also sounds amusingly similar to snapd.

Actually, having a quick way to deploy Docker apps would be useful if/when I ever get around to fiddling with dotnetcore

I'll be using it for hobbyist greenfield development

@allquixotic hi :P

Hm... I just decided to upgrade to a paid GitHub plan

probably should use GitLab but meh

GH is the best

@allquixotic in case you ever want an online.net server: github.com/BobVul/Online.net-Stock-Watcher

ooh nice, thanks

@allquixotic apparently I can't add others with read-only access to a private repo... rethinking gitlab now :P

But yea I'll just give you push access

@allquixotic If you do run it, lemme know if you want my mailgun api key... saves you the trouble of creating one :P

hmm

PNY has a 600AUD GTX1080 now o.o

@JourneymanGeek so apparently daiso sells glasses

@Bob heh, they do.

reading glasses no?

@JourneymanGeek yea. coworker just got some cause his broke midday

lol

ninja hello, Imma (try to) work today.

ZUG ZUG!

morning

woof

\o

o/

in the middle of a super snakey IF

Looks like the dev is looking out for his peers. Did you have a KitKat? ;)

no

if the dev was looking out for his peers he wouldn't have written a snakey IF with 5 levels of nesting and duplicated code

if i had a kitkat i'd use it to murder the guy who wrote this shit

chunky or regular?

it doesn't say

I mean, which is better for killing people with?

good question

hi

found another

ummm can i get some attention here with my c++ related ques (on offense)??

c++ is better asked on Stack Overflow

@microbuster ... no

And popping in just for that is poor etiquette

Like only visiting your dear old mom when you need money.

@JourneymanGeek Ninja'd to a much more amusing putdown :)

@Burgi well i cannot do that in chat there as i dont have rep

@JourneymanGeek sorry for that but no offense

i didnt mean to do that

ask the question on the Stack Overflow main site

@microbuster not our fault. And well, that almost feels like its how the system is supposed to work

@Burgi i am afraid of poor attention

While writing up a good question you might actually discover the solution because you have to think about more than just the basics.

@JourneymanGeek i said sorry for that

hmm

@Seth the ol rubber duck ;p

@microbuster Go earn some rep then.

Quack, Quack!

hm

@JourneymanGeek that LED strip randomly arrived today

... I don't have anything to mount it to

0_0

@microbuster You only need 20 rep to join SO chat.

lol

I'll probably see if I can salvage a cardboard box

and just cable tie it for now :P

@microbuster not counting my association reputation... I have enough rep to chat on SO I don't even code ;p

(I cannot for the life of me remember how I even found that question)

@DavidPostill i know but how can i get that without asking ques or ans

@JourneymanGeek bah, you cheated :P

Do edits or well ... ask a question or answer one. :P

@Bob not counting association rep ;p

@microbuster Propose 10 edits.

@microbuster depending on the kind of problem, try to build a MWE. If you're still not comfortable you could always go and check some IRC channel and hope they're not playing some idle RPG.

morning

busy today...

very

night shift tonight :/

A lot of quads, hexas and octa cores I see these days in smartphones.

Confused I am therefore.

why?

more CPU for less energy

Which is strong?

Does order matter?

Is there main cores and auxiliary cores?

i think @bwDraco is your best bet to ask on that

hii

Hi!

lo

middle

hm

superuser.com/questions/1203917/… this kinda feels off topic but OP's also in need of a nudge in the right direction

nudge given

In an answer, I have two block-quotes one after the other without any intervening non-quoted text. I want to separate the two quotes with a single line of whitespace, but they're instead treated as a single quote. How do I get a line of whitespace between them?

._.

@Twisty you cheat and use html :P

@Twisty Stick a single   between the two blocks

I've tried some HTML codes but not being fluent in it I'm striking out

@Twisty though, think about what you're trying to write here - consider adding headings

I personally prefer to add headings or a horizontal line (---)

a nbsp would be the last resort

@Bob I'm quoting successive parts of another answer, but need to clearly indicate the quotes are separate

@Twisty I'd use ... then. that's what ellipses are for

But if you must have empty space, just put a   in

@Bob Thanks. The &nbsp creates a lot of space. If that's my only option, HR it is!

@BenN Have you seen superuser.com/questions/1202189/vbs-script-with-sendkeys-error ?

I have

Do I need to download an assembler/disassembler to my Windows laptop? I don't seem to find one that comes with the OS...

@PichiWuana Yes, if you want to write assembly code. Note that using an assembler to write windows program is not very easy ...

I want to disassemble a windows program

I like IDA

Note that modern compilers and frameworks will produce extremely difficult assembler, especially for GUI apps

@PichiWuana Good luck with that :)

If it's written in a bytecode language (like Java or a .NET one), you would have better luck with decompilation

I don't know pretty much about it... lol it's part of a puzzle

I have an executable that doesn't do anything so that was my first idea

@PichiWuana How do you it doesn't do anything?

@DavidPostill Run it in CMD

@PichiWuana That doesn't prove anything ...

@PichiWuana That doesn't mean anything. I could write you a nice program that encrypts several key components of your OS and appears to "do nothing" by that test.

It could have just sent all your passwords to my email and you wouldn't know :)

@PichiWuana check metadata

Hmm yes you're right. So the only thing I can say about the executable is that it just don't seem to have a GUI or some type of window?

@Boris_yo roar

What processor models?

@PichiWuana Yes. There are tools to see whether there is any network traffic, or if it's writing files or writing to the registry or ...

Oh right! For example Wireshark is the one I have met

@Boris_yo Read up on ARM big.LITTLE Architecture

lol

> I have an executable that doesn't do anything so that was my first idea

How do you know its an executable?

@JourneymanGeek Because it's type is Application and the extension is .exe .

those things can lie

I can set a text file as an exe

or it could be a non PE file

or..

Though if you tried to run such a file in the command processor, you'd get a message about it not being a valid Win32 executable

So.. how do you know its an executable? Try running it through trid to confirm

Or a jpg with embedded stenography - given that's its meant to be a puzzle.

@JourneymanGeek trid?

@BenN That didn't happen

@DavidPostill mark0.net/soft-trid-e.html

@JourneymanGeek Ah. I tend to use file for that :)

@DavidPostill very different approaches

trid is signature based, file is magic number based

file is PROBABLY faster

we talking linux?

or I presume windows has 'file' too

Downloading it now :)

@djsmiley2k Windows has cygwin :)

you know what my one memory of using trid is?

@DavidPostill ah haha ok

waiting hours for it to extract with XP's built-in unzipper

...wow, that would've been over a decade ago

I have.... preconcived ideas which are most likely wrong, about running linux software on windows

@JourneymanGeek I'm gonna retry soldering that conn -_-

@djsmiley2k also there's bash on ubuntu on windows subsystem for linux...

@JourneymanGeek BoUoWSL? :P

;p

...ow. I just stabbed myself with my multimeter. again.

I know Wireshark for network traffic. What do you recommend for the others in case I need?

@PichiWuana go take a look at what sysinternals has

procmon will catch most file/registry accesses => technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/processmonitor.aspx

I still don't trust it :D

@PichiWuana +1 those ^^^ and nirsoft has some good ones as well.

unless it's kernel level, i'd always end up with some random thing I attribute to 'well it's windows, isn't it?'

I know it's illogical and stuff

hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex51ssd-gpu O_O @Bob

now put that in Canada or the US for $100 USD/month with a GTX 1070 or RX 480 or something, and cloud gaming would be a reality \o/

lol

lol

...

UHM.

@JourneymanGeek . uh. I appear. to have. ripped. two traces off the thing -_-

....

drop a set of LEDs and try again?

the solder is mightier than the tape? :P

You can cut them every 3 LEDs or so

@JourneymanGeek I'm thinking of reversing this strip

@Bob would work too

My phone broke and a current gen Moto G costs about $800 ~ $1200. ;____;

I bought a new battery and disassembled my phone and replaced it and it worked... For about half an hour.

bye folks

@ThatBrazilianGuy why'd it "break"? bad battery?

also, sucks that you got a bum battery

Beats me. It all began a few months ago, when it would suddenly reboot, lose GSM/4G connectivity for days at a time, then reboot again and regain connectivity.

Then the reboots became more frequent

Then if the battery level reached 1% or less it would take 10+ hours to charge

Then it was 20+ hours, 30+ hours

Finally, a few days ago, I plugged the charger and it just shut down. Remove charge, reboot. No charge made. Plug charger, shut down.

I looked for an original Motorola battery and couldn't find one, bought an, ahem, "generic" one.

It came with enough charge to last for 30 minutes.

But the whole "it shuts down when I plug the charger" bullshit continues.

So maybe it's not the battery at all. Unless an original, 2 year old battery develop developed a malfunction with the same exact symptoms of a counterf, ahem, generic battery.

Charging port failure.

screwed charging port?

^^

Yeah, I considered that, but I am so careful with my phone! No scracthes on the screen after 2~3 years! No bent pins on the port as far as I can tell...

I'll have to leave my phone on a repair center but I can't keep it on long enought for me to factory reset it

Besides, the only authorized repair center has got 400+ bad reviews on google.

you could.... tryhacking up a usb cable, and wiring it directly to the pins on the board o_O