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00:00
can we batch tag them with something temporary like ?
I'm off to the land of nod. Will do some more image edits tomorrow.
@Burgi How will that help?
@DavidPostill Is it possible to exclude tags from the front page?
it will make the list more easily visible
00:02
4 hours ago, by allquixotic
@ThatBrazilianGuy you're the joomla guy, right?
@MichaelFrank no
@MichaelFrank That won't help all the users who don't know the tag exists. And then we have to remove the tag later ...
@allquixotic No, I'm the Drupal guy
Jan 9 at 17:57, by That Brazilian Guy
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@Burgi If I can get another concious mod or three, or some input, we can throw in a featured post on meta with ALL the cleanups we need to do.
Terrible timing though, with the mod election
Better having a mod election than a mod deletion!
00:06
DELETE ALL THE MODS!!!
@Burgi If we delete all the mods, will SU become low-res?
possibly
Let's delete temporarily disable @JourneymanGeek and see what happens. Do you have a gun clorophorm?
Let's not murder anyone today please
@BenN I felt like doing some murdering when I came into work today... Half my meeting room phones were sitting in an "Unregistered State" for the 3rd week in a row. :|
00:09
Noted. Kill people dogs tomorrow it is.
So RemoteUtilities is pretty sweet for remote management
He says after using it for half a day
I set up their control server on AWS and connected 20 clients from 3 sites
Centrally stored address books for devices with proper user management and optional AD sync
Pretty cool
I think I've slept 6 hours in the last 36. Uni assignment submission weekend... Exams week is next week. +_+"
@MichaelFrank Yeah
And they have the same reverse connection thing that TeamViewer has, but we can run it on our own infrastructure. Huge benefit
@ThatBrazilianGuy do you like Joomla?
00:15
And the devices seem to strongly hold on to their IDs once they received one
They even try to preserve their ID between gateway servers as it seems
At the last place I worked, we used Goverlan. It was the best remote admin system I had seen.
@allquixotic No, I like Mambo number five.
@MichaelFrank I really don't want to ruin today's work by looking at possibly better solutions :D
@allquixotic Wait, was that a serious question? If so, then, well, I have zero Joomla experience.
@OliverSalzburg ha, fair enough.
00:18
Not considering as a user on my workplaces' hundreds of ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly Joomla sites
But I blame that on the "web what is web portal team" rather than on the tool
@ThatBrazilianGuy i'll gladly swap my issues for yours
But if those guys picked Joomla, then I'm inclined to believe it's got a strong possibility it's not exactly good.
especially with 4LA breathing down my neck
@ThatBrazilianGuy 0_0
@ThatBrazilianGuy O_O
"where did @Burgi go? He ran away to Brazil to break their government websites too"
00:21
Reports @ThatBrazilianGuy to the SPCA
@Burgi GCSB?
@JourneymanGeek Oh hello what a nice doggie we have here :D
@Burgi What's a 4LA?
Bob
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy a TLA with more Ls
@MichaelFrank the british version of them, yes
00:22
This one goes up to 11 4.
@MichaelFrank SPQR?
@Burgi My worst issue at work right now is that I think I'm having a existential crisis. If that's even possible.
@Burgi You don't have to break our sites, they break themselves really well!
i have potential drone strikes and mildly annoying one of the most powerful spy agencies in the world
PLEASE let me swap
I'm part of a team that was assembled on a whim to be a "shadow web dev team".
We'd build and mantant a single site, then two, then three, now we're building the fifth.
It's all Drupal, except one.
The biggest and most important was build by a trainee who never had seen drupal before, in a week, while sick with the flu.
Now we're two employees and a trainee, who all had no prior drupal experience, no, one hadn't even any prior web experience
In fact, before being hired he was a mailman.
00:31
are you like the skunkworks of your department?
> A skunkworks is a group of people who, in order to achieve unusual results, work on a project in a way that is outside the usual rules.
How can we be off the rules when everything is a little off?
Like, I work on a place that has had HALF A BUILDING DISAPPEAR
Another building has its floor slowly going into the ground
look, i can't help it if Brazil is the mouth of a wormhole to craziness
And the place where I work is full of water dropping from infiltration.
There are stains on the ceiling of the entrance. The stained area grows every month.
It wouldn't surprise me if the place just fell down into rumbles any day.
@Burgi Between the infrastructure, the behaviours and the way things are ran, I feel like I work on the Bizarro world.
@OliverSalzburg Looking at the Remote Utilities screenshots, I can probably make use of that at home. Thanks :)
@Burgi If you still wanna switch... Are we speaking of actual drone strikes? Do they carry bombs?
00:44
@MichaelFrank It's worth a look IMHO
Bob
Bob
I am trying to solve this... Now, when I go to bed, I see gliders everywhere, colliding in a giant mess. My sleeps are full of nightmares where pulsating pentadecathlons block my way and Herschels are evolving to absorb me. Please, John Conway, pray for me... — dim Mar 7 at 19:50
lol
i've seen some of that
@Bob That's more impressive than the clock I posted earlier. o.o
@JourneymanGeek I've only seen a scene. The one where a guy needs plubming and asks the regular channels and keeps being delayed with forms and more forms and more forms... And a rogue plumber enters like a ninja and fixes everything
The best part was the way the bureaucracy was portraited... Like "no, we don't actually fix it, but rest assured, we take notes of everything"
OH WAIT OH BOY I JUST FOUND IT
There's like this PERFECT sketch on a TV show
I looked for it everywhere the week it was on air and couldn't find it
I just found it and it's golden
I'm really tempted to subtitle it, it's just too good to not do it
Buuuuut I should be studying / writing the last assignemnt
Which, by the way, is building a web page using tables and imgmaps. Someone kill me please.
01:05
io9.gizmodo.com/… I would like to know how many kilos of drugs were involved in making this movie script
> In this God of War-style supernatural epic, Maximus is chilling in the underworld when he gets a “holy mission” from the Roman gods to kill Jesus and stop the spread of Christianity.
@JourneymanGeek wat
!!wat
Someone tried that. Didn't do a very good job, least that's what allegedly started the whole mess.
> After switching sides and helping the Christians push back the Romans, Maximus is punished to repeat the cycle of war for all eternity.
So basically they turn Maximus into Kratos and make a God of War movie?!
01:08
I was actually thinking of Ryse, Son of Rome.
I never played Ryse.
> .. including in the Coliseum, which was transformed into a naval battle on a manmade lake filled with alligators
It gets better...
> He becomes this eternal warrior, and it ends with this 20 minute war scene which follows all the wars in history, right up to Vietnam and all that sort of stuff and it was wild. It was a stone cold masterpiece. I enjoyed writing it very much because I knew on every level that it was never going to get made.
So basically, the beginning of Wolverine X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
Different movies apparently...
01:30
lol
I can go out to a retail store right now, and buy a netbook
and the big manufacturers still actually make em, even running windows.
Unless they mean the first generation, 7 inch models
I still have 2 of the EEE 401s
Or was that 701?
Whatever the original EEE was, I guess.
02:16
701
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Q: Cleanup Week? Image cleanups, tag cleanups and such

Journeyman GeekWe have nearly a thousand posts with potentially orphaned images with the HTTPS move. We also have had an ongoing project to fix tags that could use some love, or at least a certain temporary lack of restraint. This is a much bigger project than the past tag cleanup weekend, and yeah, we could/...

Bob
Bob
> (Toll free number - Accessible from anywhere in India from Airtel landline and mobile phone)
03:07
In SQL, is there a way to declare new columns of the same type in one line?
foo, bar, oof INT DEFAULT NULL
something like that... anyways didnt work now I have to type out like 10 columns of the same type line by line (in a .sql script)
ADD (column_1 column-definition, column_2 column-definition, ..., column_n column_definition); ?
oh yes I knew I saw it somewhere thanks so much Michael :D
I'm using the create table { so I'll try just changing my markup to foo INT, bar INT, .. DEFAULT NULL
unless you're saying just they each need they own
it's cool it'd just be good to know for future reference
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek looks like it's time to start my annual Microsoft support ritual :P
@Bob lol. I need to write a blog post at some point about dealing with support
I seem too darned good at it.
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek can I hire you?
03:19
@Bob "Professional support dog. Will navigate all your support needs"
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@JourneymanGeek I'm actually kinda serious :P
;p
@Bob email right?
Bob
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email, phone, portal... urk
@Bob no audit trail on phones
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it's... complex
03:24
"Hey, I've been bounced through X people" is a powerful motivator
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I think each column needs it's name and type defined. Also, if you're creating a column and don't include a NULL/NOT NULL it should default to NULL.
Ahh, end users. Don't you love them? Just had this exact convo... "Hi, so an hour ago I spilled water on my laptop. Is that bad?"
"How much water?"
"Well it's showing me this message *proceeds to show a BIOS warning about a defective cooling fan* and it won't boot."
"An hour ago you say?" ಠ_ಠ
well NOT NULL isn't for the default value, it's to declare that NULL can't be assigned to that column and mysql will probably return an error if someone tries

and oh, well idk if I declare the default as null it might just be easier to read next time someone looks at it since everything else has a default value. thanks for the tip though!
@MichaelFrank Ohhh you should've continued by responding "Have you ever heard of water cooling in computers?"
@ThatBrazilianGuy My inquiry about your Joomla knowledge was sincere. I'm working on a Joomla site as a contract side job (unlikely to return any money to me, but a good learning experience) for a friend's live action roleplay group
ended up buying a whole suite of (expensive) plugins and themes, picked one I liked, got LDAP login working, now trying to figure out how the hell to modify the default theme to my needs
03:42
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Yea something like "Hmm... I'm sorry, IT don't support the use of watercooling at <company>."
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek if only...
@Bob that's basically what I did with the chinese
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@JourneymanGeek yea uh... I kinda can't wait half a year for this
like, I literally need it fixed yesterday
And pointed out they took 3 months for it ;p
yeah, there's a thing ;p
Bob
Bob
literally literally
03:50
My whole model is about wearing them down XD
Bob
Bob
as in a support contract I may or may not need to use for work (and tried to today) apparently expired yesterday
and I can't confirm anything at all about it
Bob
Bob
I don't even know if the underlying subscription has expired because apparently the subscription management portal hasn't been working (Specifically for AU?!) since last october
and phone support didn't know either
Bob
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and chat support claims it's not business hours even though it quite clearly is
9-6 my arse
and yes I did select AU
sigh.
you know, this time last year I kinda excused them cause all this was fairly new
but now? uh. it's gotten worse
03:53
"Its 10 o clock here in australia. It says 9-6, could you tell me what time it is there, and what the time is? "
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek yea uh
kinda hard to say that to a static webpage
ah.
Screenshot! Complain the next time you get a person.
Its handy leverage
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek been there tried that
Bob
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also also
that phone guide thing is wrong
it's actually option 7
03:56
ha
Bob
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maybe I should call sales support
... ... ... IT'S THE EXACT SAME NUMBER FML
Normally I just call whatever gets me to a human and start explaining the problem until they transfer you out.
Bob
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@MichaelFrank yea uh
he couldn't find the subscription end date either
and ended up telling me to call azure support instead
this is ... exactly what happened last time
for fuck's sake
04:24
Heya!
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek I just ... found a working chat button on a different page
oh look it's 24/7 chat
o.O this is so weird
if they can't figure out the expiry... does that mean it never expires?
> I see, but I am afraid that our Online Chat has limited tools to check the exact expiry date, in this case, you may contact your regional Visual Studio subscription Customer Service Center to help you find out.
flompf.
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04:55
@Bob In that case just tell them you have a subscription.
;p
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@JourneymanGeek ?
I'm telling them I already have one and want to renew it/buy another!
Apparently they don't want my money
@Bob Lol, I'm on Airtel.
05:20
hello folks
Bob
Bob
05:38
ho
1
Q: What does mkdir -p do? specifically the "-p" part?

Eduardo GonzálezI have had some trouble understanding when manipulating my Terminal with the making of directories, and I've encountered with this "-p" option in the network trying to find easier ways to create directories. Any help? :/

how did this HNQ
HNQs are odd
06:12
hm
If its a stack imgur http link, its just changing the protocol no?
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@JourneymanGeek should be. didn't they do that automatically for those?
unless it 404's now
dosen't seem automatic for some of those on the list
the images work tho
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weird
@Burgi Unfortunately, the remaining images are not accessible over HTTPS. Apparently, Stack Exchange can't automatically upload HTTP images to an HTTPS source for licensing reasons. For more discussion of the image transition, see this MSE post and its comments. (I do agree that it would be great if this could be done automatically for us!) — Ben N 9 hours ago
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06:30
@Sathya we're talking about links that are already stack.imgur, so already hosted by se
at least I think we are
okay
06:57
Yawn, morning yall
@JourneymanGeek Did anyone star the meta post?
@djsmiley2k I don't think so
> Imgur URLs are converted from HTTP to HTTPS. This will be a HTML baking change, so no Markdown will be affected. This has already shipped, and all the old posts were rebaked
So they SHOULD be fixed, internally
well randomly opening 2, neither are imgur
Bob
Bob
@TOWMN if you're in Sydney and end up near the Hunter St Daiso, they have a stack of USB fans in the middle, $5.80. I just checked :P
@JourneymanGeek if markdown isn't being changed then you wouldn't see it while editing
check the rendered version
yeah
But if we're editing anyway... might as well. its quicker to fix than check
07:27
ah now i see what was meant about not filling up the front page too much
I find it odd that an edit makes a question 'active'
as you're not actual doing any real activity with the question itself
Bob
Bob
@djsmiley2k protection against malicious edits
also edits change the question, so it's a natural bump
i guess context aware editing is kinda hard
07:50
@Bob Are they the big ones that need a stand or the little ones that are just supported by the port itself (like the ones I saw at jaycar?)
@JourneymanGeek Hah I have a Greasemonkey script that rewrites HTTPS links and elements to HTTP on certain websites
I used to hate this whole obsessive "Make everything HTTPS for no reason" mentality but I suddenly do want the web to go all HTTPS only, if only to stop those stupid captive portals that irreversibly redirect all my tabs and breaking my workflow whenever I connect.
yeah tbh i've never understood the https for everything stuff, but whatever, not like we can't afford the computing now
@djsmiley2k It does still slow stuff down on legacy systems, and hardware-accelerated SHA was only recently added to Intel CPUs in the last 2-3 generations or so, not sure if it's SHA-1 or SHA-2 or what
But for the most part, I guess everything all-HTTPS is better than everything all non-HTTPS, but tbh I'm happy with the current medium, as long as you ignore retarded, intrusive, standards breaking captive portals...
i'm fortunate in rarely having to use captive portals
07:57
I could just change my default browser, but that'd be a pain when I actually want to open web links
what is REALLY annoying is some of the clients here have dodgy ssl forwarding vpn setups
which breaks my workflow, while I manage their 5 minute ticket
In the UK I basically never touch them. When travelling roaming 4G is expensive
the process then takes 25 minutes and my manager is wondering wtf I'm doing -_-;
@djsmiley2k lol
seriously, it takes 10 minutes for the rdp to just load a connection
07:58
I wonder if you could just disable that stupid Microsoft auto-launch browser thing
Also amusing is being here since 7am and not being able to call out any t ickets on my stack because 7am...
Although I'm sure that 90% of them won't answer anyway.
Then I could just manually launch IE when I need to login to the captive portal, and leave Chrome closed
@djsmiley2k eh?
yeah Iknow
Better solution is to teach retarded captive portal providers to not use use incorrect, standards violating HTTP response codes, but you can't fix stupid...
Battery been at 0% for 18 minutes (doing a battery gauge recalibration)... might disappear suddenly
@djsmiley2k yeah, its a long running pain in the arse we've been asking about
On one hand, edit bumping discourages malicious edits
On the other hand...
@TOWMN I do suspect its partially cause the cost is low, and browsers and search engines (or google) is pushing HTTPs hard
user226528
08:15
@JourneymanGeek Hi. I've recently noticed a "Gypsy Spellweaver" user on the review queue. Have you noticed too?
@FleetCommand yup
and he's helping fix images
so he's cool
user226528
Yeah. "Cool" is the correct word.
user226528
How does he find those posts?
user226528
Just browsing every post in existence?
08:16
Naw
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Q: Let's fix all the broken images

Ben NOne of the steps on Stack Exchange's road to HTTPS is the replacing of embedded http:// images with secure ones. This has been done automatically for a lot of images, but there are some that can't be automatically fixed. These were rewritten in the HTML (but not the Markdown source) to be text li...

We haz a list
errr
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Q: Cleanup Week? Image cleanups, tag cleanups and such

Journeyman GeekWe have nearly a thousand posts with potentially orphaned images with the HTTPS move. We also have had an ongoing project to fix tags that could use some love, or at least a certain temporary lack of restraint. This is a much bigger project than the past tag cleanup weekend, and yeah, we could/...

Timing is terrible cause I don't want to feature these posts when we have an election on
but clearly visibility is not good enough
popped into featured.
Bob
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@TOWMN big ones. they have their own stand, of course, but not port-supported
@TOWMN eh, AES was the expensive bit anyway... SHA is pretty cheap :P
maybe some old embedded system
@JourneymanGeek tbh we can live with half-broken images for a week or two
it's not a "fix it now!"
the links are still there
lol. Eric Law referenced SU on his MSDN blog :P blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ieinternals/2011/05/18/…
user226528
You know, I always thought it would be a good idea to edit all answers that direct the reader to modify HKLM\System\ControlSet01, and change it to HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet
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@FleetCommand technically yes, but at the end of the day it makes little difference
not worth the trouble and the edit-spam
fix it on recent ones if you come across them but don't hunt for it IMO
or at least don't hunt for it on old answers :P
@Bob we already have a list, and quite a few sites are doing it.
and I want to get tag cleanups done as far as possible at the same time
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek yes, but is that really a good reason to rush into it right now?
can't it wait till after the election?
08:26
@Bob momentum I guess
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*shrug*
also, that's a entirely viable option
user226528
@Bob Actually, hunting for it on the old answers will give me the Archeologist badge.
but that's why its a question asking for opinions and not a "we're doing it now"
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@TOWMN I only remember it used to do the balloon message... maybe something here? msdn.microsoft.com/windows/hardware/drivers/mobilebroadband/…
08:28
Here's the thing, with 4-5 people trickling edits, we'll flood the front pages anyway
Bob
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@FleetCommand if I were reviewing edits and saw many of them doing nothing more than making that change, I'd reject them...
though I suppose if you timed it with the current flood... *shrug*
user226528
@Bob Well, you won't. I have editing privileges now. But don't worry. I am not planning on doing such a thing right now.
@FleetCommand hypothetically
user226528
@JourneymanGeek Huh?
@FleetCommand minor bulk edits are typically frowned on
One of the reasons for the meta posts and such is so people are aware
user226528
08:31
Since I am not planning on doing, it make no difference to me.
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@FleetCommand that was a hypothetical scenario. as in, I'd not be particularly happy about it if it were reviewed
user226528
Of course, there is this strange belief that if we talk about it too much, my subconscious mind will modify the subcurrents of the universe so that I will run into such questions and answers more often. So, let's not tempt the fate.
Bob
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if we're doing this whole edit flood thing and you happened to do that at the same time... *shrug*
but at other times it's... not great
morning
09:35
@Burgi 'lo
I'll help with the images tomorrow after the exam...
@Rahul2001 totally no rush.
@Bob It auto-launches your default browser with go.microsoft.com/random-stuff now
@Bob Err yep
> Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 support captive portal networks by immediately opening the web browser if a captive portal is detected. The user sees your branded web page in the foreground of their device, which helps them to understand what actions they should take to authenticate by using the captive portal.
user226528
10:13
This list of starred messages confuses me. Someone has started a message that reads "flompf"!
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user226528
On the other hand, there is another message about Notepad++. That's a keeper.
@FleetCommand we are a little chilled out here. we play fast and loose with stars
10:53
Nice
some one 'randomly' called o2 and got a number of a customer blocked (mobile number)
@FleetCommand That's what foxen do.
;p
(We kinda evolved a odd, but very positive room culture)
11:31
if you manage to ace the solo bit you get extra ★ S ★ T ★ A ★ R ★ P ★ O ★ W ★ E ★ R ★
and confetti explodes out of your speakers
!!s/speakers/eyes/
@djsmiley2k That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
@djsmiley2k and confetti explodes out of your eyes (source)
o_O
\o/
;;:;;:: >o_O< ::;;;;

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