Root Access

Journeyman Geek

00:03

@TOWMN new alienware 13 with OLED seems to have actually come out ;p

Bob

@TOWMN ? :(

Oliver Salzburg

00:18

It seems like that caching thing is related to me opening the try through ImgBurn instead of using the button on the device

djsmiley2k

00:41

even more weird.

Michael Frank

00:55

They're probably hacking the eject call so it works with all drives or something silly like that.

Oliver Salzburg

01:10

Well, there's also an Eject option in the Windows Explorer context menu for the driver, but I never use that. I would assume ImgBurn calls the same function

I could test if the Explorer option does the same thing, but I just inserted the last disc \o/

Second layer of that box was all slim cases O____O

Journeyman Geek

hm

I'm debating the same but I'm pretty sure I've not used a optical disk in long enough that I won't miss em

The new nokia phones seem neat

Stock android it seems, and if they actually sell them here, my mom was a loyal nokia user for years so I can get her to upgrade ;p

Bob

hm

I can't tell if this is bread or a rock

Oliver Salzburg

Then it's a rock

djsmiley2k

01:27

Dwarf bread

Journeyman Geek

Dwarven battle bread.

Forged in the bakeries of mount doom.

Michael Frank

01:49

Yea... I'm in Middle-Earth... You guys are just posers.

We even have (had) giant Eagles here:

Haast's eagle

The Haast's eagle (Harpagornis moorei) is an extinct species of eagle that once lived in the South Island of New Zealand, commonly accepted to be the Pouakai of Maori legend. The species was the largest eagle known to have existed. Its massive size is explained as an evolutionary response to the size of its prey - the flightless moa, the largest of which could weigh 230 kg (510 lb). Haast's eagle became extinct around 1400, after the moa were hunted to extinction by the first Māori. == Taxonomy == Haast's eagle was first described by Julius von Haast in 1871 from remains discovered by F. Fuller...

djsmiley2k

02:37

Pretty sure Middle earth was like.... stoke

Bob

02:48

lol, people are already asking for an ovh.com.au site on the dc.syd mailing list

Michael Frank

@Bob I know some of those words.

djsmiley2k

a what site why

what's the dc.syd mailing list for?

Michael Frank

UGH

I've had to explain my fault 3 times today because I've dealth with 3 changes in the Helpdesk staff. >:(

djsmiley2k

@MichaelFrank :(

we're better than that here D:

at least, I am :/

Michael Frank

Yea, one guy was like "I'll hand you over to my colleague as I am leaving for the day"

Next guy "Hi, what seems to be the problem?"

FDSJGDSOGDSLN

Journeyman Geek

03:03

catlike typing detected

djsmiley2k

@MichaelFrank urgh no no no

i guess you can't move away from using them.

Michael Frank

Global contract.

They're a BIG supplier as well. You'd probably guess them in like 5 guesses.

djsmiley2k

03:21

derp

sadness.

we also do a service where you tell us about that problem you have

and we deal with them for you

:D

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k ah! Hitmen?

djsmiley2k

;)

Michael Frank

> Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data:
> RTO.
> RTO.
> RTO.
> RTO.

I realllllly hope they figure this out soon. I finish work in 35 minutes.

djsmiley2k

rto?

Bob

> We are working to launch soon (April) our AUS/NZ subsidiary.Currently, we’are hiring and training the local team :ovh.com/us/careers/available-positions/?country=au#topIn a couple of weeks, we’ll launch the Australian subsidiary with :- a local website : ovh.com.au, (with AUD $)- Australian phone support (1300XXXXXX) : sale and technical team- a local marketing and event team,

:O

also, @JourneymanGeek, poke ^ wonder if you'd be interested :P

Journeyman Geek

03:34

@Bob ovh.com/us/careers/… looks interesting

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I just remembered they were opening a sg dc too :P

@djsmiley2k OVH Sydney DC

djsmiley2k

ooooooo

Journeyman Geek

Sent

Bob

There's also a dc.sgd list btw @JourneymanGeek

but it's mostly just chatter

Journeyman Geek

what's a dc.foo list?

Bob

03:41

@JourneymanGeek Singapore DC mailing list. OVH.

Journeyman Geek

ah

thanks for the lead ;p

sent in an email to apply (which is good! Real people may read it!)

Bob

that quote above was from the dc.syd list

Journeyman Geek

yeah, I looked at their jobs page ;p

Bob

I think they're more actively looking for AU support staff at the moment

SG one doesn't seem to be up yet

they're mostly setting up the DC at the moment, AFAIK

Journeyman Geek

Well, I applied to the same role at amazon, and they at least talked to me so...

Bob

03:43

@JourneymanGeek keep an eye on it, it should have more spots in a couple months :P

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

dunno how open you were to moving, but I'd expect a fair few local applicants to the syd one and they do have the sgd one so it's probably not worth the trouble :P

Journeyman Geek

tbh, not very for now

the two old men and all that ;p

Bob

ah

Journeyman Geek

(my dad and my dog ;p)

tbh, dad's probably mostly fine

Bob

03:46

@JourneymanGeek you know. I actually guessed that :P

Michael Frank

I love these Live Meeting chats where everyone is silent and busily "working".

djsmiley2k

can someone fix my ear plz

seems i still have a hole in my ear drum :/

Journeyman Geek

:/

Michael Frank

Here, scratch it with this : --+------------------

djsmiley2k

lol

yewah no

i got the hole from a really bad cold and pressure build up

but the weird... 'pus' stuff has come back :/

Journeyman Geek

03:49

0_0

djsmiley2k

yeah, it's a bit ick :/

Journeyman Geek

gonna see a doctor??

Michael Frank

I had grommets when I was a kid, that's like a deliberate hole

djsmiley2k

yeah after i'm off night shifts

@MichaelFrank nod

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I feel weird that this has to be brought up so much.

Journeyman Geek

03:51

@Bob IKR?

djsmiley2k

@Bob :D

the internet is the place for health, and legal issues!

the ONLY place!

Bob

It's like... "my body is ~~dying~~ doing weird shit, help" "...try a doctor???"

djsmiley2k

Haha I'm not asking what I should do

I know I need to see a doc

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I'm pretty sure TOWMN kinda did it for attention ;p

See? THAT'S THE SORT OF ATTITUDE I WANT TO SEE!

djsmiley2k

I'm just trying to make myself feel better by someone else going 'oh I had that happen! .... then my leg fell off'

is this towmn something a bout a dog/---cat---

Journeyman Geek

03:52

ah

No

@djsmiley2k the one with many names

its easier than remembering what name they are using this week

djsmiley2k

yah

that.

Journeyman Geek

then they changed their name to TOWMN ;p

djsmiley2k

xD

Journeyman Geek

Works for me ;p

djsmiley2k

There's definately a large amount of attention seeking there, which is fine, as long as it's non-distruptive.

Journeyman Geek

03:53

lol

and non dramatic

Bob

DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Michael Frank

Quick, someone give me a website I haven't been to before that only uses HTTP!

Bob

*scratches head*

lol

I was trying to dig up the web services I had running, but they're all HTTPS -_-

Speaking of. I really need to renew that ownCloud cert.

And that mumble cert.

urk.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I think there's literally no reason for anyone to go there, so he's certain to have not gone there before ;p

@MichaelFrank done?

Michael Frank

04:11

Yea... No dice.

Wow... now Cisco are involved. D:

I gonna be here all night T____T

djsmiley2k

so you can't connect to 8.8.8.8?

Michael Frank

Nope.

Can't even hit the captive portal

Getting an IP and they can see the connections in the Cisco controller interface, but there's just no internet connection.

Bob

@MichaelFrank so what's the problem? tracert?

Michael Frank

@Bob Tracert doesn't leave the machine it starts on.

Bob

@MichaelFrank So. route print?

Michael Frank

04:17

@Bob I dunno what I'm looking at on that...

Bob

@MichaelFrank It shows the network routes.

djsmiley2k

show us

we do :D

Bob

8.8.8.8 is probably caught by destination 0.0.0.0 w/ netmask 0.0.0.0 (default) unless there's a more specific one that matches

djsmiley2k

take a photo if you can't just copy/paste

Bob

so packets with that destination are sent to the defined gateway via the defined interface

actually. is this a single machine, or the entire network?

Michael Frank

04:21

Anything connecting to our "public" wifi

djsmiley2k

ok, so does a device connecting get a IP, does it get a default route to a gateway? Can it ping said gateway?

It doesn't sound like it can tbh, but only you can tell us

If yo ucan tell me what kind of device is providing the wifi then i might be able to identify the configuration to check

Michael Frank

You're right, it can't ping the gateway.

djsmiley2k

well then 8.8.8.8 is never going to work

is the gateway even up?

Bob

The gateway itself must have a route (even if the route is only on-link)

djsmiley2k

Good point! (though I believed that the route is always autogenerated from the dhcp assignment...)

Bob

04:26

@djsmiley2k well, more accurately, the gateway must be reachable, which means it either needs a gateway of its own or must be on the same broadcast domain (subnet) as the device...

djsmiley2k

nod

Michael Frank

Bob

@MichaelFrank Well, that looks alright... you have wireshark handy?

Michael Frank

Not on that machine.

Bob

@MichaelFrank can you run a netsh trace?

you can then convert it to a wireshark-compatible format

goal is to see what's happening with ARP

Michael Frank

04:31

I can't elevate currently... Lemme see what I can do.

Bob

@MichaelFrank wait. you got one ping response?

so it's not that it's not connecting... just dropping most packets :\

Michael Frank

That was a host unreachable reply from 10.69.151.65

Bob

@MichaelFrank what's the IP of the device you're testing from?

djsmiley2k

how big is that subnet o_O

it's 10.69.151.65

yeah

Michael Frank

We have a lot of users?

djsmiley2k

04:32

either that's a huge subnet.... or your gateway is set wrong

Bob

...why are you getting replies from .151.65?

@djsmiley2k where'd you get that from?

djsmiley2k

@bob the interface address

in the routing table

Michael Frank

The first route has a gateway of .148.5 with a interface of .151.65

djsmiley2k

yeha, sry

Bob

anyway, that makes more sense now

djsmiley2k

04:33

@MichaelFrank are you sure your gateway is 148.5?

Bob

@MichaelFrank try to get a packet cap if you can

djsmiley2k

becaus that makes a rather large subnet

Bob

@djsmiley2k not unheard of, though...

djsmiley2k

@Bob no, but it's the first thing that look odd to me, occams razor

Bob

I'd be interested in what's coming back from DHCP and ARP

@djsmiley2k true, worth double-checking

Michael Frank

04:35

That's what the wireless connection details show as the gateway

djsmiley2k

a /22

@MichaelFrank it gets that via the dhcp, it maybe wrong

hense why I'm asking you what it should be

not what the computer is using.

I can setup dhcp to tell you your gateway is 8.8.8.8 for example :P

Address:   10.69.148.5           00001010.01000101.100101 00.00000101
Netmask:   255.255.252.0 = 22    11111111.11111111.111111 00.00000000
Wildcard:  0.0.3.255             00000000.00000000.000000 11.11111111
=>
Network:   10.69.148.0/22        00001010.01000101.100101 00.00000000 (Class A)
Broadcast: 10.69.151.255         00001010.01000101.100101 11.11111111
HostMin:   10.69.148.1           00001010.01000101.100101 00.00000001
HostMax:   10.69.151.254         00001010.01000101.100101 11.11111110

Michael Frank

I've got no idea. I'm just the small fish in this company. :(

djsmiley2k

@MichaelFrank :) my guess right now is this AP was configured on a network where the gateway WAS .148.5

I don't think it is on the same network anymore, and someone forgot to fix it

Michael Frank

Shit... you know what it probably is? There was a power outage over the weekend and some device somewhere was sitting on an unsaved config.

djsmiley2k

:)

someone, somewhere should be able to tell you what the gateway should be

until you know that, debugging it is kind of impossible

actually

you can look at your subnet for your local interface

see if it is a /22

if it's 24, that proves you'd never be able to connect to that gateway

ipconfig /all in cmd, look for subnet mask against the ip

255.255.252.0 is what I don't want to see ;D

Michael Frank

04:41

@djsmiley2k You should probably close your eyes...

djsmiley2k

@MichaelFrank I'm expecting 255.255.255.0

Michael Frank

It's 252.0

Bob

@djsmiley2k better than the guy suggesting a /16

well there you go

djsmiley2k

ok, then that gateway 'should' be reachable

Bob

@MichaelFrank make sure the device providing the gateway is actually ... y'know ... running

djsmiley2k

04:43

It's possible the gateway itself is misconfigured too, if it's on a /24 it'd not reply.

Bob

has blinkenlights

Michael Frank

@Bob But it's in Australia... (I think)

Bob

@MichaelFrank gimme the address and I'll pop over :P

djsmiley2k

if you happen to have a device on the .148.0 network that'd help

errr, oh dear

Michael Frank

@Bob Somewhere in Boronia. I believe.

djsmiley2k

04:44

I've got a guy in Australia I can call ;D

Bob

@MichaelFrank wheretf is that O_O

urk, Melb

djsmiley2k

this is starting to sound like it's some mashed together network with no documentation :/

Michael Frank

When you have 160k employees everything is a little mashed.

djsmiley2k

lol

Bob

when you have 160k employees things should be rather less mashed than this O_O

djsmiley2k

04:47

when you hav that many employees you should have a properly documented network

and i'd expect fully routed, not huge subnets :(

Bob

@djsmiley2k imagine the broadcasts!

djsmiley2k

@Bob exactly :/

Bob

to be fair, a /22 isn't that bad

that's only 1024

djsmiley2k

yeah

but... no need :/

well I'm sure there is some legit needs, but still

Michael Frank

How's this for fun? All of our internet traffic proxies through Australia. Not particularly bad. But when we log a ticket for slow internet access, they tell us that the top talkers are proxy1 and proxy2.

djsmiley2k

04:50

Where you based @MichaelFrank?

Michael Frank

~~Middle-Earth~~ New Zealand

djsmiley2k

heh

we got some clients there too

(the same clients that are in Aus.)

I'm in the real middle earth :P

bwDraco

wccftech.com/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen

> The editors-in-chief of two of America’s top PC hardware and technology publications have confirmed to Wccftech that they have indeed been approached by Intel regarding upcoming Ryzen reviews. Although both said that it was business as usual. Affirming that Intel’s response following AMD’s Ryzen announcement was what they had expected it to be and nothing was particularly unusual about it.

I suppose at least one of those publications is AnandTech or Tom's Hardware.

(both are owned by Purch but they have their own editorial teams)

Well, it was much ado about nothing.

Bob

@bwDraco "SemiAccurate" sounds ... semi-accurate.

:P

Journeyman Geek

05:16

@bwDraco that reads a lot like a opinion piece.

> With some reports claiming that Intel personnel may have even approached some customers with “incentive rebates” and other special promotions to exclusively use Intel chips.

> Today is Friday so it is time for another Intel CPU generation code name. SemiAccurate exclusively brought you the Icelake name almost two years ago, 112 weeks to be exact, but not the next one.

er... did they get the wrong link?

pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-fear-intel-ryzen-reprisal seems to be primarily AMD's 10K filing

and is linked twice.

bwDraco

Yeah. I was really skeptical on first reading.

I felt Wccftech blew it out of proportion.

Journeyman Geek

> he editors-in-chief of two of America’s top PC hardware and technology publications

Who?

bwDraco

spoke on condition of anonymity

Can't stay here much longer. Good night.

Journeyman Geek

Anonymity = "I made this up to gat more hits"

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Something stinks here, and it's not just what Intel might be doing.

@JourneymanGeek Eh, there's potentially good reasons for anonymity. See, NDA.

but...

> Intel PR sent out a last-minute “call us before you write” email to most of the press, but not SemiAccurate, after hours last night.

"they approached our competitors but not us!" sounds fishy...

Journeyman Geek

05:23

@Bob If there were one piece of up to date, independently verifiable information there...

bwDraco

11 hours ago, by bwDraco

These are rumors, but the mere mention of Intel playing dirty to prevent AMD from competing gets me very angry.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob also says though, its common practice

bwDraco

(see context)

Journeyman Geek

shrug

Vote with your wallet ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, I'm more pointing out that they (SA?) made the claim with nothing backing it up ... but were careful to note that they weren't approached

Journeyman Geek

05:24

I actually might build a ryzen box, once I got a job.

djsmiley2k

lol

Bob

Also, quick google says SA attempted to report in 2011 that Apple had concrete plans to drop Intel "it not now, then in 2-3 years" for ARM...

djsmiley2k

i remember when my journalist friend was threatened by ms about ninja gaiden on the 360

Journeyman Geek

@Bob and that guy's use of punctuation is... terrible

djsmiley2k

basically they were told the mag wouldn't get any review copies of bioshock, if it wasn't positive.

Bob

05:25

@JourneymanGeek I was planning to look at the lower end... would make an interesting remote VM box

Journeyman Geek

AMD shouldn't make excuses. They have a product that's pretty darned interesting

bwDraco

5 mins ago, by bwDraco

I felt Wccftech blew it out of proportion.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob ALL THOSE CORES!

For not much money

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I wonder if anyone will do a NUC-like form factor.

@JourneymanGeek speaking of.

> You could infer that they are suddenly really worried about something.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob video would be tricky

bwDraco

05:26

Well, the prospect of being able to get an 8C/16T processor for US$330 is very alluring.

Bob

Uh. It's not like anything changed in the last month. suddenly really worried, suuure.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob with AMD talking about zen for what..

2 years?

I'm seriously hoping its their pentium M moment.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It's sensationalist language. I don't like it.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

@bwDraco When I say low end, I meant lower than that. As in, the cheapest ones they have :P

I still think 8 cores is overkill.

bwDraco

05:27

Benchmarks have been up for the last few months so they're well aware of the threat. Again, Wccftech blew it way out of proportion.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob for a VM host, less so.

Bob

Heck, I can't even saturate 4 cores running a bunch of VMs

@JourneymanGeek yea, depends what you do with them, but... I'm currently running with 4 cores on my servers and they're under 10% CPU utilisation :\

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco we arn't critisizing you ;p

We're just saying the article is a load of horse hockey.

bwDraco

Yup.

Journeyman Geek

I sometimes link articles I know are horse hockey to snark at them ;p

(see various references to "magic rocks")

Bob

05:29

Heck. If Intel were to pull something funny, they'd not do it in the last two weeks, I'm pretty sure.

It takes longer than that to get contracts worked out.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

and IMO, these are essentially their HEDT parts

their 'regular' and APU parts are what should scare intel.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Think the idea was these would compete with Intel's regular parts.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob You probably need integrated graphics for a NUC style form factor

Bob

Actually, that's exactly what they do.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob naw, they're going after the HEDT stuff

at the prices of the regular parts

Bob

05:30

High core counts, but their PCIe lanes are similar to Intel consumer parts.

Journeyman Geek

hm.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Intel HEDT still wins on the 40 PCIe lanes.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, there's that

bwDraco

Intel is going to lose sales on their HEDT, i7-7700K, and i5-7600K.

Bob

IIRC Ryzen is still 24

Journeyman Geek

05:31

Who uses 40 PCIe lanes?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek The people who buy HEDT, I'd expect :P

Journeyman Geek

(That's er... 2 full fat video cards, and other stuff)

djsmiley2k

LMG? XD

Journeyman Geek

hmm. 16+16+ 4 (m2)

djsmiley2k

Pixar? ;)

bwDraco

05:32

Below that, Intel's new low-power parts (e.g. 2C/4T Pentiums) will keep them going; AMD has no immediate answer to these parts.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k naw, those places just use a crapload of xeon blades

Sometimes older ones

djsmiley2k

:D

I once hearda bout Pixars setup

it was bonkers.

Journeyman Geek

I worked in VFX ;p

djsmiley2k

Anyway, I can't get this till to load the remote connection :(

bwDraco

'Night.

djsmiley2k

05:33

@JourneymanGeek I basically caused an entire room of computers to fail from overheating at college due to me using them as a render farm xD

This is after me warning the lecturer who thought he knew better, that they were under speced and already over heating

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k silly thing is, I don't know if my NDA is still in effect.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That's actually something I was looking at, just for storage...

Journeyman Geek

I mean, quite a lot of information on what my former employer used was available publicly.

and I doubt they'll be digging through transcripts for outdated information on a site they closed down

But yeah, crapload of blades, with water cooled racks

djsmiley2k

Hmmm the store is in Melbourne

you headed that way, right @MichaelFrank? ;)

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k @TOWMN might be ;p

djsmiley2k

05:36

rofl

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco they can't fire me, they already did ;)

and everyone

djsmiley2k

:35706094 ouch i recall that, kind of

bwDraco

You were laid off.

Journeyman Geek

ANd when talking about current employers I stick to public information

which there's a ton of

bwDraco

It wasn't your fault.

djsmiley2k

05:36

yah, that's safest I find

Journeyman Geek

Amusingly, I never signed an NDA at the casino

djsmiley2k

I don't identify the clients.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k people have doxed me here ;p

djsmiley2k

o_O

bwDraco

Again, good night.

djsmiley2k

05:37

I'd be interested to find what info people can pull up on me

night @bwDraco

Journeyman Geek

I've had 2 of my three employers mentioned

and no one's heard of the third ;p

(I mean, everyone knows I worked at the building with a boat on top ;p)

djsmiley2k

boat on top o_O?!

I doubt anyone here has heard of any of mine

except maybe @Burgi

and the other english.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k oh it's not a big secret. I linked my movie credits

djsmiley2k

:D

Michael Frank

05:54

Saves by the bell...

Fire alarm started going off. Had to evacuate.

djsmiley2k

@MichaelFrank :D

someone stolen the server?

Michael Frank

Maybe! Sneak it out while everyone is evacuating.

djsmiley2k

sounds like a plan

Burgi

06:16

i haven't slept :(

djsmiley2k

:O

wut

Why not

I've not, but that's because night shift XD

29 minutes to go

Burgi

07:00

dunno

red bull and water

thats what is going to fuel me today

Journeyman Geek

I'm not feeling too good.

Something I ate upset my tummy.

Bob

:(

Rahul2001

07:43

@Burgi Cafe latte!

@djsmiley2k What exactly do you do?

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