Root Access

Journeyman Geek

00:08

lol

links are noref

and tend to get nuked fast

barlop

@noitsbecky yes but even with that more correct and less colloquial definition of molex connector, it's still true that a SATA connector is not a molex connector. So what i'm saying is still true regardless of whether one uses the colloquial definition of molex connector, or a stricter one, or one that rubbishes the term but uses the term.

tereško

00:31

sigh - youtube.com/watch?v=oz_Bn0o2I40

the talked-about-article is on par with the motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/… crap

Journeyman Geek

.....

tereško

internet makes me sad

how long has it been since people who write about technology have hated their audience?

Journeyman Geek

01:00

@tereško cause most tech sites end up being corporate

And everyone wants to code, and working with hardware is "uncool"

I'd rather spend 500 dollars on a DIY PC than the same from a store built one specifically cause I know I can fix the damned thing when it breaks

tereško

> any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

for most people anything even remotely related to computers is "sufficiently advanced"

Journeyman Geek

yup

And car analogies!

Some people tend to buy toyotas and run them until they break.

tereško

< only has a bicycle

Journeyman Geek

I bought a chassis, shell and engine, build my own car, and am happy to swap out the engine, or transmission or such on my own ;p

tereško

that's actually impressive

Journeyman Geek

01:08

oh dear god. Someone posted a video in arabic with english subtitles as an answer to a question.

tereško

his own video or just anon from youtube?

it's it's not his video, it's just standard "link-only-flag"

it someone made a video specifically to answer a question and made subs for it, that would be ok, IMHO

djsmiley2k

that'd be pretty damn dedicated infact

Bob

02:04

Bob

03:12

it's so quiet

@JourneymanGeek eh, store-built uses the same standard connections

and the same parts if you tell them to

it just costs a bit more :P

Journeyman Geek

03:37

@Bob unless you buy a USFF or SFF machine, or they choose to leave out ports or....

@tereško feels like he's advertising his own youtube channel

and the answer is crap

nuked the answer, didn't bother to do anything else.

Bob

@noitsbecky S8, Note 8 or wait? :P

@JourneymanGeek benefit being a smaller FF you can't build yourself... eh, tradeoffs

noitsbecky

@Bob S8

@barlop a SATA connector can be a molex connector... So no, it's not true.

> From picking parts to putting them together, building a PC is too damn hard, even in 2016.

Then don't. PC gaming != PC construction. You no more need to build a gaming pc yourself than a console.

Bob

@noitsbecky what's good about it vs S7?

I guess Type-C, but TBH I have more QC-capable chargers (and cables) than Type-C

noitsbecky

@Bob nothing?

Bob

@noitsbecky soooo... wait? :P

I wonder if the gen after will actually improve anything.

noitsbecky

03:50

@Bob you could probably use them with the S8 with an adapter/cable?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I think you misunderstand the point I was trying to make ;p

I can typically fix anything I build.

until I open up a prebuilt PC, I don't actually know what's exactly inside

and I've run/upgraded those before.

Bob

@noitsbecky Yea, it would work. But it'd also mean there's not much point in switching phones, is there?

Oh well, mine just needs to last another year :P

not hard, considering

noitsbecky

@Bob probably. I have little reason to want an S8 atm

Bob

just an incremental upgrade...

noitsbecky

I'm a little annoyed at the port selection on my Alienware. Two USB-A and two USB-C

Bob

03:53

@noitsbecky just realised it has a 5.8" screen apparently

Note in disguise...

noitsbecky

Other 14-15" gaming laptops have as many as 4 USB-A with one USB-C or Thunderbolt

Bob

looks like an edge screen too

blech

noitsbecky

@Bob rumours...

Bob

@noitsbecky Oh yea, true... no official announcement yet

noitsbecky

I've already had several occasions where I've needed an extra USB port and all the A ports are taken and none of my things have a C connector.

Bob

03:54

@noitsbecky hub? yea it's annoying

noitsbecky

That said the main reason I was needing 3 ports was because two were taken by things that should have run off the internal wireless card except for the fact that it's shit. Thankfully I've upgrsded/replaced it now

@Bob I don't like dangly things

2

Bob

@noitsbecky wait. which one's shit and which one's better?

@noitsbecky TWSS

noitsbecky

@Bob Killer AC 1435 was shit, Intel 8265 was better.

The killer one has a decent Qualcomm chipset behind it, just utterly crap drivers.

Bluetooth-integrated wireless card wise I've found Broadcom to actually have the most dependable Bluetooth

Bob

04:08

@noitsbecky ...as expected :P

Intel is one of the few companies that actually gives a shit about drivers

@Rahul2001 eh... you're not the target market. Adobe doesn't cater to beginners. And they shouldn't have to. They make software that's useful for professionals who need the functionality you call "complicated" and "bloated" - it's their job.

Part of it is also legacy, of course... when you have many thousands of users familiar with your program, changing things up to make it 'simpler' can be detrimental.

Hm. D-Link's "Easy 3-Step Installation": Unpack contents, insert CD, run wizard

halp where do I insert CD

noitsbecky

Dammit I bought the wrong wireless card

Bob

o.O

noitsbecky

@Bob oddly I've heard some people complaining about perpetually crap drivers on the Intel 6xxx series WiFi+Bluetooth cards

Turns out there is a non-Mac proprietary 3-stream NGFF AC card, and it's made by Dell.

Bob

@noitsbecky Yea, that was a bad run. Think they've fixed it by now though :\

The above statement was comparing 3xxx with Broadcom/Dell drivers with horrible handle leaks, and comparing Intel display drivers with AMD/Nvidia (on Linux)

And Ralink is still on my shit-list for drivers that prevented Win8.1 install and would also insta-crash if installed on 8.1. With no updates either, of course.

(...that's another point in Intel's favour, they actually update their drivers)

Actually, I wonder how Ralink stuffed their drivers up so they only worked on 8. There's not all that much difference between the two, especially in NDIS...

noitsbecky

I think the 6xxx series was an odd one because only one card had integrated Bluetooth (and now they all do)

I had the 6300 3-stream non-bluetooth one and it was fine. Apart from the usual Intel drivers lying to Windows about signal strength, the drivers were fine

Bob

04:21

@noitsbecky I'm actually not too sure what the problem was.

noitsbecky

@Bob heh, I don't think I've ever used Ralink on Windows. All my Ralink devices have used Linux drivers by virtue of being OpenWrt/ddwrt

Bob

pretty sure i have a BT-capable 6xxx in my laptop and never really pinned it down as causing issues

noitsbecky

I lost my Intel 8260 so I bought a new 8265

Bob

oh wait no

it's a 7260

noitsbecky

Should have got the Dell DW1830 but that might not have fit

Bob

04:23

wonder what's in the lenovo convertible

noitsbecky

Some shitty 1-stream card

Bob

lol

noitsbecky

Mine had the Intel 3100 or something. Hence why I bought the 8260

Bob

@noitsbecky wait, which one had that?

noitsbecky

I can't believe people are still making "premium" laptops with single stream wireless cards.

Bob

04:25

oh the lenovo thing is broadcom

noitsbecky

@Bob Yoga 700

Bob

> Maximum Link Speed: 130Mbps

ewwwww

noitsbecky

Also I don't get the point of Intel making the single stream card to begin with... It has two antenna connectors so it already has 90% of the hardware of a 2-stream card and you're saving nothing on antennas or RF components

Probably just artificially crippled/product segmentation...

@Bob 2.4Ghz ewww

Bob

@noitsbecky abgn

@noitsbecky My Miix 700 comes with an 8260

oh that's right

the Ralink one? replaced it with an Intel 6235

didn't have any issues after

and yea that's a 2x2... also the only Intel card in the firmware whitelist

noitsbecky

Oh god, firmware whitelists...

I want a Miix 510

Bob

04:36

@noitsbecky ya, HP...

noitsbecky

@Bob :O

Bob

@noitsbecky really? thought whitelists were fairly typical on HP laptops

hm. I found a C7 cable. no idea what it was for.

noitsbecky

I didn't know HP had black/white lists for wireless cards, I thought it was just lenovo. Then again I've never had a HP laptop

Then again HP do blacklist all non-HP USB-C chargers, so I'm not entirely surprised

Bob

@noitsbecky ...what. how. why.

also if they claim USB-C charging, USB-IF should go smack them for trademark misuse

Journeyman Geek

05:21

lol

Journeyman Geek

06:13

superuser.com/questions/1177950/… ._.

I'm torn between closing and educating

Bob

@JourneymanGeek educate :P

seriously, though

it's trying to ask a subjective question, sure. but it has an objective answer

IMO, worth keeping (if not dupe)

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

shrug

If it gets closed IDGAF anyway

Bob

06:35

@JourneymanGeek ... should be the same?

last I checked, FLAC is something like a slightly specialised DEFLATE on PCM with a custom header

Journeyman Geek

@Bob .... I am going to science the shit out of it

Bob

it's basically WAV in a ZIP -_-

where did I put my penguin

noitsbecky

@Bob they "don't trust" other people's implementations

Bob

@noitsbecky ...if my USB-C charger pumps out 240V, the laptops dead regardless

noitsbecky

@JourneymanGeek I tried to answer but got a "We are offline for maintenance" message

Bob

06:44

@noitsbecky up here

noitsbecky

Now the question page itself is unavailable not just the login page

Bob

o.O

worksforme

noitsbecky

Write an answer. Try to edit it and get an offline for maintenance message.

Seems like that message is the default "error request timed out" response.

Journeyman Geek

07:02

._.

Might be the CDN

@Bob posted an answer confirming it. WITH PRETTY GRAPHS

Bob

@JourneymanGeek uhm. this isn't something that requires empirical testing. it's literally, by definition, the same.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob so sue me. I have fun making pretty graphs ._.

Bob

if it's not identical... it's not lossless

Journeyman Geek

and learning about new tools

Bob

because, y'know, that's the definition of lossless

Journeyman Geek

07:04

and finding things ;p

and I probably should compare it to 320 vbr ._.

noitsbecky

@Bob TWIS

1

A: Which audio format truly has the best sound quality?

The quality of an audio codec is determined by how close its output is to the original source. The quality can only ever be as good as the source. FLAC is a lossless codec which means its output is an absolutely perfect, 100% identical copy of the original. It produces 100% perfect quality and i...

0

A: Which audio format truly has the best sound quality?

High definition FLAC has better sound quality than ordinary FLAC. It has approximately the same sound quality as an audio CD. An ordinary FLAC file sounds sufficiently different from an audio CD that I can hear the difference and distinguish between a FLAC file and an audio CD only by listening t...

This has reached the definition of opinion based

Also sounds like snake oil

> An ordinary FLAC file sounds sufficiently different from an audio CD that I can hear the difference and distinguish between a FLAC file and an audio CD only by listening to it, however a high definition FLAC file sounds just like an audio CD to me. There is no difference in the encoding of high definition FLAC and ordinary FLAC files, the only difference is that high definition FLAC files have have a sample rate that is more than four times higher than ordinary FLAC files.

!! Facepalm

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

@noitsbecky my answer points out its bullshit ;p

Bob

@noitsbecky welllll. I said an objective answer existed. I didn't say people wouldn't start answering with subjective answers -_-

Journeyman Geek

lol

@noitsbecky I suspect 99.99% of my flac files were ripped from CDs

ok, actually, possibly less or more

Bob

07:42

sigh

ok, I'm a pedant.

but at least when I'm being pedantic in an answer, I try to guess at the intention and answer the real question...

a pedantic correction without more info helps approximately noone :\

Journeyman Geek

08:00

Lol

@Bob I've totally lost track of what the context of that is.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek comments on an answer in that flac question

Psycogeek

we seem to be getting a lot of flack about this :-)

The question is probably seriously flacked up now too.

Should probably compress the whole thing down to a simple MP3 , nobody will see the difference

"flack good , use it . goodby".

Journeyman Geek

08:26

@Bob actually, those comments are vaguely educational ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek hm?

allquixotic

08:42

WTF?????? I'm suddenly getting speeds (admittedly at 3:30 AM) 2-3x faster than my previous peaks... sustained!

Journeyman Geek

yay?

Bob

I just got a missed call from Latvia wtf

half second ring

@allquixotic Verizon?

maybe they're trying to get you to use more as an excuse to kick you off?

allquixotic

@Bob yep, Verizon Wireless... I'm using PopData again for $3 for an hour because I'm near my unlimited-limited cap on my Jetpack.

previously, the top speed I'd ever gotten on either my iPhone 7 Plus or the Verizon Jetpack AC791L (which have comparable LTE capabilities, AFAIK) was 4.5 or 4.6 MB/s (capital B)

and both the iPhone and the Jetpack had been virtually neck and neck in terms of the speed record for each

but now suddenly the iPhone is delivering almost 100 Mbps speeds at that 10.8 MB/s peak

easily sustaining in the 7 to 9 MB/s range right now; even 7 Mbps sustained is way higher than I got with my previous PopData session -- there I was peaking around 4 Mbps and sitting sustained in the 1.9 MB/s to 2.8 MB/s range, roughly

should be able to download this entire 18 GB game plus some other pending Steam patches I've been holding back due to being careful about my data usage

sustaining in the mid-8 MB/s range right now

DavidPostill

10:00

@Bob There is a (semi) regular in this room from Latvia ... @tereško

Hennes

10:11

Bah, the US trips seems more and more likely.
Time to create a facebook account for their customs.

djsmiley2k

10:53

o/

tereško

@DavidPostill sure, buy I wasn't calling him

Rahul2001

Why is FLAC excellent for archiving?

Journeyman Geek

11:11

That's an excellent question!

Its smaller than wav, and you lose less quality converting it to other formats

So if you're ripping cds or something, that means you can switch over to whatever format you prefer in future with no loss in quality

DavidPostill

@Hennes "The information wouldn’t be mandatory" ... "The public has 60 days to comment on the new proposal before it will be formally considered."

Journeyman Geek

shrug

DavidPostill

wtf Estimated Annual Cost to Public: $26,325,300

I'm sure the TLA's already have ~~your~~ our facebook accounts anyways ...

Now they want the passwords as well.

> "We want to get on their social media, with passwords: What do you do, what do you say?" Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly told the House Homeland Security Committee on Tuesday, according to NBC News. "If they don't want to cooperate then you don't come in."

DavidPostill

11:28

> Kelly, speaking before Congress to address Trump's immigration ban, said the password request was an idea the Department of Homeland Security was considering. Another, he said, was seeking visitors' financial records.

Burgi

i've had two software updates on my phone in 24 hours

djsmiley2k

11:43

@Burgi NSA

Nick

@Burgi did either get you nougat?

Burgi

no

Nick

well, maybe next time

Burgi

unlikely

i don't even have 6.1

Nick

@Burgi neither do I but I think marshy is overrated.

noitsbecky

12:10

Huh. I'm still getting random offline for maintenance message on the site

!! Caaat

ChatBot John Cavil

noitsbecky

@allquixotic operator added more spectrum?

djsmiley2k

IK don't even know what version of android is on my phone

Nick

12:25

@djsmiley2k Settings > About Device

noitsbecky

@Rahul2001 the same reason zip or rar is good

djsmiley2k

6.0.1?

Nick

@djsmiley2k Right answer. Your prize is knowledge.

Rahul2001

@noitsbecky losslessness?

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 compression and losslessness.

Rahul2001

12:32

Makes sense

Journeyman Geek

theverge.com/2015/2/19/8068923/…

is worth a look (or listen) ;p

each time you do lossy converstion, stuff like that is stripped out

Do it once, fine. Do it twice, it gets worse...

Do it a thousand times...

geek.com/geek-cetera/…

So if your original copy is lossless. you only get the artifacts from one generation of conversion, which is why Flac makes sense as a archive format for personal use.

Nick

12:54

@JourneymanGeek In the future, do we want better compression or systems that make compression redundant.

DavidPostill

@Nick For archive purposes you ideally want no compression (or lossless compression).

barlop

@noitsbecky I see molex make cat5 connectors as well ;-) so they could perhaps make sata power or sata data connectors

so the colloquial usage of molex connector is still useful though.

DavidPostill

@barlop molex.com/molex/products/…

> Molex offers a wide variety of connectors for a variety of protocols including SAS, SATA, Fiber Channel, InfiniBand, PCIe and more.

barlop

yeah so the colloquial usage of molex connector to refer to the PATA power connector is still valid though.

in the sense that, if anybody uses the term that is what they would mean or be expected to mean

since the proper meaning is useless and nobody uses it.

DavidPostill

molex.com/molex/products/…

barlop

13:00

If I were to introduce the term i'd probably put it in quotes. But if somebody else uses it then the presumption is they mean the colloquial usage.

Journeyman Geek

@Nick yes

You'd want "cheap" and good compression, and no one ever says no to more storage, except maybe bob for the next year or so ;)

@barlop "the molex cable has four wires - one yellow, two black and one red and they are labeled 1, 2, 3, 4."

barlop

@JourneymanGeek ok .. so why is he using a cable like that if he is dealing with a SATA hard drive?

Journeyman Geek

13:17

@barlop might be connecting to the controller board?

which isn't an uncommon arrangement

djsmiley2k

did we not cover this yesterday o_O

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k its a asynchronous conversation. ;p

djsmiley2k

it's also repeating :D

Journeyman Geek

All things have happened before...

IMHO, this answer should get neither an upvote nor a downvote. It is chatty and wanders off topic. On the other hand, a lot of effort has gone into it. — Fleet Command 1 hour ago

._.

Clearly, this person has never seen me talk about a topic I'm interested in ;p

Nick

@JourneymanGeek You should do a TED talk one day.

Journeyman Geek

13:24

@Nick I'm not famous enough ;p

Nick

@JourneymanGeek How about TEDx.

Journeyman Geek

@Nick quite literally, my entire internet infamy is around this site, and chatroom ;p

Nick

@JourneymanGeek your website isn't too shabby either.

Journeyman Geek

@Nick Its mostly for me ;p

and my terrible memory. Not sure anyone actually reads it ;p

and I've not updated it in quite a bit

(Apparently I'm not bad at doing talks, even if I utterly hate powerpoint ;p)

barlop

@JourneymanGeek what's your website?

Nick

13:30

@JourneymanGeek If you ever come down to south India, I can offer you a venue to speak at, at my engineering college.

barlop

And what do you speak about?

Journeyman Geek

rofl

@Nick I'm vaguely a coimbature boy XD

@barlop journeymangeek.com

and I donno. I nearly got recruited by a political party cause of uni presentations ._.

DavidPostill

@barlop Did you bother to look at @JourneymanGeek's profile? All will be revealed ...

Nick

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, so, come down to Kakkanad, Kerala

Journeyman Geek

I've not written anything new since nov 2015. Just not been so motivated

I'm tired and distracted as all heck...

superuser.com/questions/1178007/…

webapps?

DavidPostill

13:46

@JourneymanGeek Agreed

djsmiley2k

chicken pox suxks

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k Mumps is worse as an adult :/

djsmiley2k

vacines \o/

DavidPostill

"About two to three out of every 10 adolescent or adult men who have mumps may experience painful swelling of the testicles."

djsmiley2k

also its my daughter whos got vit

DavidPostill

13:54

I had Chicken Pox as a child. I still have the scars ...

djsmiley2k

i have one scar on my leg

DavidPostill

Mine is on my forehead. But not so visible ...

djsmiley2k

my bro has a scar that looks like it is, on his forehead

but its actually where a stone got stuck in his head when he fell over once

Nick

14:28

I have a light scar on my face caused by a scratch attack from my brother when he was a toddler.

Journeyman Geek

I have a scar on my nose from walking into a scottish street sign

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek lol. Is that you or your roomie? ;p

Journeyman Geek

>_>

The human

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek And what was a Scottish street sign doing in Singapore (apart from getting in your face)?

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill I wasn't in singapore.

DavidPostill

14:44

@JourneymanGeek Apparently there are close connections between Scotland and Singapore

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill Went to visit a friend. Got distracted. got attacked by a wild street sign

DavidPostill

I remember being attacked by a lamp post when I was young. And a telephone box tried to eat my thumb ... that was painful

Journeyman Geek

See? Unknown menaces

DavidPostill

I did put my thumb in the door hinge before Mum opened the door ...

I blame bad design ...

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek TRAITOR! YOU USE PHP! XD

Journeyman Geek

14:47

@Rahul2001 I use wordpress

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek dies of shock

Journeyman Geek

its like democracy. Its the worst option, other than all the rest.

planning on rebuilding at some point.

DavidPostill

15:04

I wrote my website by hand. Good way to learn html/css/javascript :)

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill my neigbourhood is allegedly named after someone scottish ;p

Burgi

i wrote mine by hand but i am migrating to wordpress soon

Rahul2001

@Burgi FINCH! I finished it!

Burgi

?

Rahul2001

@Burgi The blogging platform I was working on?

Burgi

15:14

oh yeah?

congrats

Rahul2001

Yeah, super simple, not too many features, but did it... BUT NO SQL!! :D

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 I also need PHP for ttrss

though I run that on postgres and wordpress on mysql

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek ttrss?

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 web based RSS feed client

Rahul2001

Ah

Journeyman Geek

15:17

I used to use google reader

then tried the old reader before they suddenly shut down their free tier with no warning cause they got hit by too much traffic

(and took a while to get back in the game)

Didn't like anything else, and losing my RSS reader and redoing everything was lame

so.. yeah

Burgi

15:35

feedly is the best

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi I didn't like feedly's UI

Burgi

i admit it is not as good as google reader

Rahul2001

Right, uh, so... The guy didn't even ask for an id, I DID IT!

DavidPostill

@Rahul2001 What exactly did you do?

Rahul2001

@DavidPostill To embarrassing to type out, but it was a dare...

DavidPostill

15:49

@Rahul2001 Chicken ... ;p

Rahul2001

@DavidPostill It involved a chemist... I'm actually not going to use the stuff though, just did it for the rush (we chucked it away)... :P

DavidPostill

Ah. What a waste :)

Rahul2001

Ok, I'll be honest, I still have it XD

OK, what the hell is up with reddit usernames?

DavidPostill

@Rahul2001 9 Totally weird things you can do with lube - SFW

Rahul2001

@DavidPostill Except that... uh... nevermind XD

@DavidPostill Wha...

> Fixing your bike

Hm... interesting

allquixotic

15:58

@noitsbecky could have -- the latest release of flagship smartphones (esp. Samsung and Apple) and usually the latest Jetpack hotspot (Verizon-branded devices made by various manufacturers such as Netgear, rotating kinda like Google used to do with Nexus) are about 1-2 years ahead of Verizon's actual LTE deployment

so somewhere during a flagship device's lifecycle, assuming you buy it early after it comes out, you get a "free" speed upgrade when they deploy more spectrum or more MIMO or more whatever it is now that makes it faster

the tower has probably supported those great speeds (up to nearly 100 Mbps peak) for a couple months, but I've never actually started a download, on a device supporting all the latest bands and tech, during a time when the tower was so un-saturated that it could spare that much bandwidth to one person

those are some pretty extraordinary conditions to reach true peak throughput, and usually the "tower being unsaturated enough" is the one that I guess would hold me back

as the tower gets more saturated, each user gets successively capped at a lower speed... usually during prime time I can realistically expect 20 Mbps

djsmiley2k

16:11

@Nick how does this compare to 'newest'

Burgi

i forgot how huge the bioshock infinite installation was

21GB

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek In all answers, questions and comments?

allquixotic

@Burgi that's tiny compared to For Honor or Elder Scrolls Online, actually

tereško

17:30

ok, finished Shadow of Mordor

what should I try playing next?

any recommendations?

noitsbecky

I hate my life.

@tereško Play Tomb Raider

tereško

I was hoping for something different

Tomb Raider looks like it would be a lot like Mordor

welll .. in terms of game mechanics

noitsbecky

I've never played Mordor so I wouldn't know actually

tereško

steamcommunity.com/id/teresko/games/?tab=all

here are the available options

bwDraco

17:55

tomshardware.com/reviews/dramless-ssd-roundup,4833.html

The trend towards cheaper SSDs has been a very disturbing one. First it's TLC NAND with poor sustained write performance, now it's DRAMless designs with poor random write performance and low endurance (due to the need to maintain the mapping tables in NAND).

I'd prefer a Samsung SSD any day of the week. Plextor is a close second.

> The fact that some of these products couldn't even complete an industry standard performance test tells us all we need to know.

Ouch.

More than anything else, "SSD" in an entry-level system is just a marketing line.

> At Computex last June, one SSD vendor told us about an OEM 2D TLC SSD that will burn through the rated endurance in a little over a year. The SSD has to last a year because of the notebook's one-year warranty, but anything beyond a year's worth of use is up to the user to fix. Tactics like that are the driving forces behind putting cheap DRAMless SSDs in $500 notebooks.

This is what really irks me about the PC industry. The cost pressure is so extreme that every last penny counts.

allquixotic

18:20

@bwDraco agreed - I've seen lots of people say "but I have an SSD!" then throw out some random crap brand like the early Sandisk SSDs or Kingston (ugh, the kings of low quality) etc. and I just laugh

one of my work laptops has (part of the OEM config, not custom) an enterprise-renamed Samsung 840 Pro, then I have a smattering of 850 EVO and 850 Pros in personal boxen, and IIRC the Macbook Pro uses Samsung V-NAND based parts too (but NVMe, not SATA)

bwDraco

18:37

Yup.

(kinda busy right now)

I have an 850 PRO in my laptop and an 850 EVO in an enclosure for external storage. There's also an old 64GB Plextor M5M in my laptop as scratch space.

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