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00:03
@Bob lol
It's still incredibly good value for money though
I can fix the cooling issue by replacing the thermal pads, which is easy as i alreaddy have piles of them in storage.
It's incredibly powerful, and with fixed cooling, incredibly quiet as well
Heck it'll play Cities Skylines at 5760x3240 on battery
@noitsbecky dunno. Their laptops might be ok, but their desktops systems are crap
then again, I am one of those people who thinks, that using laptop for gaming is kinda bad
@tereško their monitors, oddly enough, are stellar
monitors?
those seem like standard Dell monitors with a different logo
they are not bad, but I dont think they even make 21:9 looks like they do, but don't have an option to filter in their shop
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00:19
@tereško Crap how?
Value for money? Build quality?
Oh, do you mean Alienware specifically?
I mean Alienware dekstops in particular
overprices, with poor cooling and a lot of "cut corners" for the not-so-visible parts ... like PSUs and mobos
or I probably should have said not-so-hyped parts
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Eh. idk, I'd not buy a prebuild gaming desktop anyway.
same here
Oh, I mean dell's monitors
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also, they're ridiculously easy to build now :P
00:23
@tereško Their laptops were crap until recently too
@JourneymanGeek they are ok, I have no complaints
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and the handy LED displays on (better) mobos are amazing
But this is one of the best laptops of last year
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no more trying to figure out beep codes!
@Bob weeeeeell. Depends on whether you have a budget to pay more that 40$ for mobo :D
the really cheap ones still relay on beep-codes
mid tear have LED's near the "affected parts"
00:25
yup
though, that all might be starting to shift
in theory there's little dongles that do that for you too
that's for people who build and fix computers profesionally
is am just a lowly PHP dev
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@tereško mine cost $500 :(
00:27
... who for some reason ends up building a PC every months for someone
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@tereško actual 7-segment 2-digit LED display here
which still requires looking at the manual, unfortunately
but it does tell me which stage the firmware stalled at!
what exactly you want? voice-synth ?
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@tereško that would be nice
... yeah, realized it as soon as I said it
00:55
4K gaming really takes its toll on the battery...
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I'm not very surprised by this mostly pre-canned response
01:12
@JourneymanGeek :-o
Wonder how hard it'll be to wrangle a replacement motherboard for this thing...
hm
I need an imap or pop client for android.
Ugh. New phone setups are hard for other people.
01:37
Is there no built in IMAP and POP client anymore?
I think the AOSP one's no longer preinstalled
hm. I donno if samsung still packages their flavour of it. I should check
02:21
Ah well. Windows 7 is becoming obsolete sooner rather than later.
I'm of the opinion that because Windows 7 is getting quite old, users should consider upgrading as their resources allow. Providing full support for new CPUs on Windows 7 might require some serious low-level work to implement functionality that already exists in Windows 10.
Huh. Galaxy S7 uses some kludgy simultaneous dual band hack
@bwDraco so does that mean we will be using hackasevens ? ahh were going to need a cool word for it. hows 7-Up ?
sparkely like 7 with upgraded hardware
Windows 7 lacks the power management functionality that Windows 10 has, and there are lots of new APIs that Windows 7 simply does not implement.
Vendors would have to hack in extra functionality to get their hardware fully supported on Windows 7 when most of it is already there in Windows 10.
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@JourneymanGeek Ugh. I'll file boingboing riiiiiight next to gawker.
@Bob Gawker is much too clickbaity.
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02:29
@bwDraco More like half made up.
@Bob Simultaneous dual-band Bob!
@Bob I don't think anyone should take boingboing seriously
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@JourneymanGeek "Fans of the manufacturer have a range of superb excuses" => except, if you actually read the linked thread... yeeeeea, let's just call em "fans" and "excuses", that doesn't sound biased at all.
And I have no love for Lenovo.
@Bob ah, That ;p
@Bob I don't... see any excuses.
Of course, we can hardly expect news aggregation sites to actually read the fine article...
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@JourneymanGeek That's my point. They all read like perfectly reasonable explanations. Calling them excuses... bleh.
Explanations being, well, it does have a sub. Just not immediately behind that cover. With photo evidence, too.
02:38
@Bob I don't take BB seriously at all ;p
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@JourneymanGeek Eh. Articles like this annoy me.
Because I just know they'll go viral, with incorrect info.
@Bob I haven't read them but... really? there's an excuse for a fake cosmetic subwoofer stub?
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Then $mildlyLessGuiltyCompany gets punished for something they didn't even do.
@Bob that said, designing that cover right over the DVD drive's fastener ... is pretty clever/strange
and it does totally look the part
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@noitsbecky The one I remember (saw it last night) is that ... there is a sub inside the laptop.
02:40
@Bob but the vent is cleverly designed to look like a speaker
I could put a non functional turbo button on a PC, or even slow it down... oh wait.
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@JourneymanGeek Eh, at most it would be mildly misleading in the position of the speaker (which doesn't matter), not the existence of. The video being the latter.
@Bob its a vent with the words subwoofer over it
One can assume the average user dosen't swap drives that often
Maybe I should have said
"Its an entirely bizzare decision to put in a vent at the bottom of a PC, and disguise it as a subwoofer, when there's no apparent purpose for it"
03:18
@Bob I still can't see why it's justified or useful to mislead on the position of the subwoofer
@JourneymanGeek This
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@noitsbecky I see two things going on here. Lenovo being misleading with the position of the subwoofer, and then this video (and related articles) being misleading by claiming (or implying) there isn't a subwoofer at all.
I consider the latter to be far worse.
Not that the weird vent position is a good thing, mind.
brb, beating some JS into submission
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03:50
JS defeated
@noitsbecky what am I looking at here? :P
 
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05:02
Grr. Drunk moron in my room shouting loudly at 5am
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@noitsbecky ...isn't 5 AM a bit late for drinking?
Or is that early?
@noitsbecky Or are you just staying up playing with your laptop? :P
05:54
@bob you have AC everywhere right :O
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@HackToHell ..no?
@HackToHell that's nothing. see Jan 2013
ok I thought Indian summers were harsh
The Australian summer of 2012–2013, known as the Angry Summer or Extreme Summer, resulted in 123 weather records being broken over a 90-day period, including the hottest day ever recorded for Australia as a whole, the hottest January on record, the hottest summer average on record, and a record seven days in a row when the whole continent averaged above 39 °C. Single-day temperature records were broken in dozens of towns and cities, as well as single-day rainfall records, and several rivers flooded to new record highs. In January 2013, the Bureau of Meteorology altered its weather forecasting chart...
 
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07:17
floof
@JourneymanGeek You ever used Windows software raid? :P
I don't do raid
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@JourneymanGeek oh. not even on the nassy thing?
I'm still trying to figure out how to handle entirely too much storage
07:39
Nope
NASSY things are single drive
Planned NASSY thing would be linux or bsd bassed
@HackToHell It's Australia, it's actively trying to kill it's inhabitants
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07:52
@JourneymanGeek ah. I'm toying with chucking these on the network with zfs
but GbE isn't enough to saturate the drives :/
08:05
you need to saturate them?
or are we talking for testing or whatever?
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@djsmiley2k well, if my drives can write at up to 180 MB/s each (SMR... you never know) then it's a bit of a waste to run them over a link that maxes out a little over 100 MB/s, no?
@Bob duh, the answer to that is to buy my adaptec Kitt car raid card for a song.
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@Psycogeek ha. does it take USB? :P
nah, if I keep them running 24/7 I'd want to keep them in a different room. too noisy.
no you gonna have to peel the drives out of the boxes. thats what is cool about the externals i ended up with, the USB 3.0 controller comes off. leaving this plastic coated drive with exposed sata connection there.
I sleep my raid :-) all 4 drives would happily rest.
the key to letting a drive sleep in windows, is to not allow windows to get too close to it :-) and only use it for "data" .
08:35
morning
:D
@Bob well one thing is to see if they really can do that speed, then it's to use that speed for something else (set zfs checking to constantly use 80Mb/s
:D
(I'm not sure what kind of data checking zfs does, but you could do something like that mdadm)
09:20
Well, if I was building an array, I'd likely end up with MHDDFS
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@JourneymanGeek Eh... not really a fan of JBOD
@Bob for my purposes JBOD works well
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@djsmiley2k They can, but not necessarily sustained (see: SMR)
I usually have a ton of random files, and I don't need to think about where they go
and most of those files are stuff I wouldn't be too broken up over losing.
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@JourneymanGeek Ya, but yo have a larger than normal amount of totally disposable data :P
09:25
@Bob all data is disposable. ;p
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@JourneymanGeek Funny thing about 8 TB drives? ... one drive is enough for all the random files, with lots to spare.
Especially if you have more than one copy
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And I have four of the damn things.
urk.
RAID soudns nice in theory until you realise waiting for an 8 TB RAID to rebuild is literally worse than watching paint dry.
@Bob and using them as USB
cough
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At least you don't have to worry about paint spontaneously combusting.
09:26
yup
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@JourneymanGeek Which has been surprisingly reliable with the Anker (VIA!) hub...
@Bob more that raid and detachable drives are an odd mix
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@JourneymanGeek that too
I wonder how Windows deals with it
"it doesn't" is probably the answer :P
Storage spaces may work. Possibly
09:42
@djsmiley2k Fake name, fake DOB, fake address, real pic
If you think half an inch doesn't make a difference, try going down a familiar set of stairs wearing only one shoe.
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09:59
@JourneymanGeek ya, but that's pure JBOD
and "which drive" really isn't a concern with these drives
I think you might notice a pattern in my thinking here ;p
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in fact it'd probably be worse cause I prefer to not plug in all four at the same time, RAID aside :P
I need doctor :(
Yay! Found aspirin!
10:35
aspirin !== doctor
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s/aspirin/paracetamol/ please :P
@Bob Why?
10:50
@JourneymanGeek lol
aww does that mean they wont use The Sun , Enquirer , and Sunday Sport too, what a loss.
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> the grammar is really sucks
@Psycogeek And every other newspaper. And what about all the scientific papers that have has mistakes in them? Better not use any of those either. Oh and all the other websites in case they have a mistake.
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@DavidPostill fewer side effects
unless you specifically need something anti-inflammatory...
@Bob Well Aspirin is deliberately prescribed in some cases.
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10:57
@DavidPostill yea, there are cases where it's required
but "yay, found aspirin" implies general painkiller, not something specific...
So in office 365 exchange admin center
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*shrug*
in quarantine, you can't search using wildcards for 'from'
you have to put in the entire email address :/
which is stupid, i can't see how to whitelist a domain, rather than each sender...
Wikipedia should ban itself. It is [was] full of mistakes. Those mistakes are the very sort it is banning the Daily Mail for (fact checking/fabricating/...)
@DavidPostill zat source
11:01
wait, you CAN do, it, but not from within the quantine :/
Actually, its not even loading for me
Well the first two are links to the Washington Post (a supposedly reliable paper that is no banned) ;p
@JourneymanGeek How about this then Iffy-pedia: Up to six in ten articles on Wikipedia contain factual errors - source Daily Mail ;p
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@DavidPostill Well, most acedemic sources ban wikipedia as well
@DavidPostill paracetamol is a little bit better for you (fewer side effects)
also aspirin is a nazi invention tested in the concentration camps
@Burgi >_>
Not the conversation I expected to be godwinned.
11:06
its true!
@Burgi No it's not. At least according to Wikipedia :)
> Aspirin, in the form of leaves from the willow tree, has been used for its health effects for at least 2,400 years.[5] In 1853, chemist Charles Frédéric Gerhardt treated sodium salicylate with acetyl chloride to produce acetylsalicylic acid for the first time.[6]

In the second half of the nineteenth century, other chemists established the chemical structure and came up with more efficient methods to make it. In 1897, scientists at Bayer began studying acetylsalicylic acid as a less-irritating replacement for common salicylate medicines.[6]:69–75 By 1899, Bayer had named the drug Aspirin
sorry, wrong war
WW1 not WW2
@Burgi Still wrong "By 1899, Bayer had named the drug Aspirin"
meh, first statement is still true
Asprin thins your blood
11:11
Perhaps the http://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/ is more believable than Wackpedia:

> 1899: Acetylsalicyclic acid is named Aspirin by Bayer. The letter ‘A’ stands for acetyl, “spir” is derived from the plant known as Spiraea ulmaria (meadowsweet), which yields salicin, and “in” was a common suffix used for drugs at the time of the first stable synthesis of acetylsalicylic acid.
Paracetamol merely does a slight number on yer kidneys ;p
i'm pretty certain there was a common painkiller drug that was common now due to it being tested in concentration camps
talking about trump/PoTUSA gets you insta-flagged but talking about the horrors of national socialism and warfare is fine
@Burgi I did mention you godwinned it
yeah but i thought i was right
and cripes, why does everyone think there's a ban on politics?
If we're civil, there's nothing wrong.
11:20
because RH said he is flagging everything PoTUSA related as offensive
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that's just flag abuse
Yup
and if there's nothing wrong with what was said, and I knew about it, I'd invalidate
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@JourneymanGeek liver*
ibuprofen was the one bad for kidneys
but they're only significantly bad in large quantities (overdose)
aspirin overdoses are milder iirc, but the side effects of a normal dose are worse
assuming you only want a painkiller of course
otherwise sometimes the side effects are desired
If you had 2 SSDs, one 500gb, and another 1tb. Can you split the 1tb into two 500 parititons, and RAID 0 the lot for a minor speed bump + 1.5tb space, or is JBOD a better option?
Unlikely
I seem to recall they need to be the same size
also, little point considering how damned fast modern SSDs are...
11:30
Because racecar. I know they need to be the same size, thus partitioning to make 3x500.
The spoilers sometimes add drag ;p
But racecar D:
Might be a decent question for the main site
I'm sure someone has tried it
I have 3 old SSDs and was considering it. 2x60 and 1x120.
240gb with a minor speed boost wouldn't be too bad.
hm. I wonder if you could do a nested raid...
but that would be horrible and hacky, if it was even possible
11:35
That's the best way to do things isn't it?
I like stability ;p
I've also never heard of raid 0+0
It's not quite nested raid though.
It's 2 partitions + 2 real drives
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@Eamonn 2x 500 GB + 1x 500 GB.
Yes I said wrong because I am a dumb
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If you actually tried 3x, I suspect speeds will actually suffer more from the interleaved r/w.
You're better off RAID 0-ing just the 500 GB, then leaving the remaining 500 GB as raw.
12:27
@Eamonn it'd be slower
lets take it as units of 500Mb = 1 unit
When you write to raid0, it waits on the last writes to be completed
1 + (1|1)
the (1|1) both being on a single disk, they'll take 2x the time to write, halfing the performance gain of having it split between 'two' devices.
and then overheads
reads 'could' be slower, depending how you did it
wait, raid0? so.... striping?
It'd still be slower
as you're basically 'hiding' the fact writes to device 2 and 3 are the same device
Does your head hurt yet?
@Bob Usually take paracetamol, but couldn't find any in the medicine box...
@Rahul2001 I'm unsure I see the issue then
it says you're age X, they don't believe you?
@djsmiley2k Because I look like I'm X-4, and I don't think they'll buy it XD
I will try to use it soon, will see what happens
12:45
@Eamonn yes. Easy.
@JourneymanGeek I have, and it's not pretty
How aboot RAID1(RAID0 (500 + 500) + 1TB)
If that's understandable
the two 500's, are seperate devices?
Yes
@Rahul2001 What will you use it for? ;p
lol! the hideous, terrible website that we had built by a 3rd party has apparently won a design award
12:55
0_0
If it makes you feel any better...
so did the nissan juke
the ugliest car ever made
LOL
have you seen the nissan cube?
Golf Harlequin
@Eamonn but it is still a golf...
THE best hatchback in the world
12:58
A3 > Golf
WTF!? I NEED TO WAIT FOR 10 YEARS TO LEGALLY DRINK ALCOHOL!?
no...
Minimum age is 25 here...
@Rahul2001 but you can study abroad for uni
12:59
They made a Polo in that colour scheme too.
18 in the UK
@Burgi Not sure if I can still go to an Ivy League with Trump in power...
@Rahul2001 who cares about MIT?
who cares about american't university?
@djsmiley2k Uh, um, most?
@Rahul2001 its 21 in the USA
13:00
once again, you're having a small world view
don't do it
:D
come to the UK
The A3/S3 is a Golf just with nicer styling and interior
Does stack exchange do stats on how many people aren't ivy leaguers?
I failed my degree and I'm doing fine.
@djsmiley2k Most, I don't think Ivy Leagues do programming
@Eamonn Right, but this is India, no jobs without proper degrees from reputed colleges.
13:02
Ah
@Burgi do dis
@Eamonn Chances are that I will
I didn't
I do wonder though, a lot of the time when I encounter bad uncommented half-working code, it's by some foreign freelancer. Why are they often so awful and how do they get away with it?
i took like 3x the time about it, but got there in the end lol
@Eamonn because america isn't great! or something
@DavidPostill Uh... IDK... Something fun? I actually made it for a prank and to prove a point, so it's just lying around for now...
13:06
@Eamonn do you want the expensive well written code, or the cheap barely working code?
Companies choose the cheap
Right now at work there's a silly discussion going on about instead of paying overtime, giving out lieu hours
Which is fine for me, but some people will build up weeks worth of lieu hours this way
so what's gonna happen? They'll refuse to cover any more shifts
so people with lieu won't be able to take it, because no one will cover...
Ya I was about to say that, and those that do take lieu just cause problems by being on 'holiday' too much.
and causing others to build up lieu time
not sure why management can't count, but clearly they can't
ah well, I'll continue to observe
@Eamonn same reason this is a terrible idea serverfault.com/questions/831217/…
Oh dear lawd
but they're cheap @JourneymanGeek!
cheaper than the home grown make america great! sysadmins
Also, I'm for hire if you pay me nicely
13:11
that a lot of that flavour of outsourcing is heavily cost driven, arguably exploitative, even in markets that prefer locals, and there's no incentive towards quality, only meeting budgets and arguably "results"
@djsmiley2k oddly I'm pro immegration
But companies like that ruin it for people actually in the field.
(also, the other answers are probably better)
immigration? or something else?
I'm tempted to unplug one of the RAM sticks from my laptop to see if it helps save power
o_O
surely ram uses less than hdd
so cache everything to ram, and power that off
I don't have an HDD
sdd vs ram?
13:20
Sorta. In standby mode RAM is the only thing consuming power, and it's over 1 watt
Halving that would double the standby time.
But tbh it's not really that important on this machine, cause it uses so much power anyway. On my last Lenovo that used 3-5 watts while fully on saving 0.5-1 watts could make a big difference.
Wow, according to buildcomputers.net/power-consumption-of-pc-components.html DDR3 uses more than SSD's o_O
@djsmiley2k thats off-topic
Then again that machine used DDR3-L low power, this one uses DDR4 full power
@Burgi wut
@djsmiley2k Yup
13:22
that question
Thing is those figures for RAM are under active use, while idle they use maybe half that
SSDs on the other hand can use <0.1w while idle if they have DevSlp, or >3w if they have shitty power saving
PCIe SSDs in particular use quite a bit of power I think
interesting
> 3.5" Hard Disk Drive HDD 6.5 to 9 W
Eh, my 4TB low power NAS drives use 3.7w
I'd not thought about it... but, with ssd's being so fast now, it maybe better (sometimes) to hibernate to ssd than ram...
Yeah
Certainly for over a few hours hibernate is better.
I tend to go by the rule that typically in most laptops, 1 hour standby uses 1% battery
Resuming from hibernate, even on a relatively slow SSD, can be just 15 seconds
Although it really depends on how much RAM you have in use. Hibernating while running a game using 16GB uses an extra minute or two
13:26
@Rahul2001 Define reputed college
> People are already installing Win32 apps on Windows 10 Cloud

Requires a bit of Bash and PowerShell jiggery pokery though.
Powershell again huh
@DavidPostill not the podunk college of edunomics
i think 60% of the people on my degree were from india or pakistan
tbh, they should apply the standards to HR drones first.
@Burgi simular here
tho the number in the cathdral to graduate was far less xD
sup @allquixotic
Lmao
Samsung's battery factory just caught fire. Yes, the one that produced all the batteries that kept catching fire.
@JourneymanGeek Civility is in the eye of the beholder. I could write, "I really admire you as a person and greatly respect all the hard work you've done" and you could conceivably read that as some kind of being offensive or rude or sarcastic. Easily, in fact. With text, there's no whiff of intention; those who choose not to read words charitably could "justify" flagging anything for being "uncivil".
> According to Samsung and the local emergency services, the fire was caused by various waste products stored in a warehouse, "including faulty batteries."

SDI is one of the battery suppliers for the upcoming Galaxy S8 flagship, although Samsung's investigation revealed that its batteries, next to the ones made by Amperex, were to blame for the failure of the Galaxy Note 7.
13:43
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@noitsbecky heard about that -- and it's in the same city in China as the huuuuge explosion a year or two back
Not looking good for the Galaxy S8 then is it, when not only they use the same battery manufacturer as the explosive Note 7, but the factory itself catches fire...
the one that was filmed from a skyscraper/hotel and was like, "Boom! ....... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!! ......... BBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!‌​!"
@allquixotic Oh nice
Maybe the Chinese are trying to cement their leadership in having invented gunpowder
lol

> A minor fire ... sent out 110 firefighters and 19 trucks to put out the fire
13:46
some 100+ people died in the much larger Tianjin explosion linked there; some estimates of the explosion's yield put it in the range of first-generation fission nuclear bombs
basically their poor handling of volatile chemicals set off a non-nuclear Hiroshima
there was a similar sized explosion in southern england in the 1920s
What do you want? The IP address for your DSL modem? It sounds like you'll need to figure that out from your router. Can't tell you how to do that when we don't know what kind of router you use. You use the word "this" twice, neither time in a way that is very clearly specifying what you're talking about. — TOOGAM 2 mins ago
is it me, or is this really unhelpful?
the commentary in this video is hilarious, as tragic and scary as the event was
(NSFW)
Does anyone want to fund my journey to California so that I can go meet Steve Wozniak.
13:51
@Nick for what purpose?
@djsmiley2k agreed, but the OP doesn't give enough information to be genuinely helpful
@allquixotic Just to meet him. There's a conference called TechIgnite 2017 that's he's going to be attending. Plus, there are a whole bunch of other cool speakers and it really seems like a great event.
@Burgi Hmm. When is 1940 in the 1920s? ;p
@allquixotic on the other hand, walking around on tip toes, afraid someone will be offended...
sounds like a terrible way to run a chatroom
@DavidPostill ok i'm getting some stuff wrong today
@Burgi you ok dude?
Are you suffering from temporal anomalies?
13:58
@JourneymanGeek my head is throbbing...
there is a shipwreck of the kent coast that is estimated to have a similar amount of explosives in it
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