Root Access

bwDraco

00:00

This is the general requirement.

Michael Frank

@Burgi Excuse me, what about the cows expectation of privacy?

DavidPostill

I was allowed to become a Swiss citizen because 1/ My mother is Swiss 2/ My birth was registered in Switzerland 3/ I applied for nationality before the correct age (IIRC it was 30). Note: I don't speak any of the 4 languages spoken in Switzerland. What I know about Swiss culture comes from Google. I've never tried to fit in. :)

Michael Frank

@bwDraco Familiar doesn't mean in agreement.

Bob

I pop back into this room and see male egg layer chickens and something about privacy of cows

wtf

bwDraco

> well integrated

Burgi

00:01

@JourneymanGeek hmmm....

Michael Frank

I'm acting the counterpoint here, but well integrated just means they're not someone who suddenly showed up. Living in the country for 40 years would integrate you plenty.

Journeyman Geek

There's a video of it. Don't watch it. It's seriously disturbing

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek surely it wasn't in europe though?

Dog

Oh crud, DX12 is Windows 10 only

DavidPostill

@bwDraco Looks like they've changed the rules and I wouldn't get it automatically now ...

bwDraco

00:04

She should have permanent resident status.

Burgi

Bob

@DavidPostill You know the rules and so do I 🎶🎶🎶

(sorry, it just reminded me of a certain song :P)

DavidPostill

lol

@Burgi Almost. The cows still get lost but the farmers can find them ...

Journeyman Geek

00:20

@Burgi I don't remember

I didn't really watch the video

Michael Frank

@DavidPostill I wonder if she objects to bells on cats...

DavidPostill

@Burgi In the UK male chicks are gassed and then macerated ... Hatched, discarded, gassed: What happens to male chicks in the UK

Burgi

i refuse to believe it and by not clicking that i can pretend it doesn't happen

also, watching sherlock

Journeyman Geek

23 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek

There's a video of it. Don't watch it. It's seriously disturbing

;p

I think in the US they don't even bother to gas em

ANYWAYZ

Michael Frank

> The spokesman said: “That their few short hours of life are ended in a gas chamber or minced alive in an industrial macerator is beyond cruel.

DavidPostill

00:27

In AU maceration before gassing is allowed. What happens with male chicks in the egg industry?

Michael Frank

Except they're put down within 15 minutes... so they certainly don't get a few short hours.

Journeyman Geek

Kulning - Ancient Swedish herdingcall

►

Michael Frank

oh wait... gassed chicks probably stay alive for longer than that.

Journeyman Geek

You guys probably need that after talking about sexist genocide ;p

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Aren't you happy you're a veggie? ;p

Journeyman Geek

00:29

;p

I try not to be a self righteous pain in the arse about it tho ;p

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek I meant to ask a while ago - is Ash also a veggie?

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill vaguely.

He's gotten somewhat more carnivorous with age

He had a bit of a dislike of dog food as a pup so a good chunk of his diet is mashed peas and corn

Bob

Huh. How well does a vegetarian dog work?

IIRC it's impossible for cats (supplements aside)

Journeyman Geek

when he was a pup he'd get kibble with milk, and just drink the milk, and as he got older he'd wait for a day to eat kibble

@Bob in india, a lot of dogs are lactovegan

It works with streeties

so, ash is mainly veggie, supplimented with kibble

he won't touch the canned gooshiefood

DavidPostill

Vitamins A and D: Dogs and cats cannot make vitamin D in their skin, so it needs to be in their diet. And the vitamin D needs to be D3, which comes from animal sources, not D2, which comes from plant-based sources. “People and dogs can use D2 to some extent, but cats really need D3,” Heinze says.

Taurine. Dogs can make taurine if provided the right building blocks through dietary protein. Cats cannot make their own taurine at all, so it is regarded as an essential amino acid in this species and must be present in adequate amounts in the diet. Both species can suffer taurine deficiencies.

Journeyman Geek

00:36

Cute Puppies Attack Cabbage

►

DavidPostill

@Bob Unless you keep your cat indoors it will go and eat field mice/small birds anyway ...

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill and anything smaller than it. Or at least murder the shit out of it

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek True. My cats used to bring home frogs as presents ...

allquixotic

Hi

Bob

hi

Ben N

00:45

Hi!

DavidPostill

Full moon tonight. Watch out for lunatics and vampires :)

bwDraco

...and werewolves :-)

Bob

@DavidPostill s/vampires/werewolves/

are vampires a full moon thing now?

bwDraco

@allq, got good wireline Internet yet? pcmag.com/news/350920/…

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

00:56

@bwDraco that would require Verizon to actually care about building their network

Journeyman Geek

I think @allquixotic has been pinged about it half a dozen times ;p

bwDraco

I'm completely out of the loop. I didn't sleep well last night.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek heh. who else did?

Journeyman Geek

I'm expected to keep score? ;p

@bwDraco does good wireline internet exist in the US?

DavidPostill

@Bob Full Moons and Vampires

"The full moon could also restore a wounded vampire to undead health. The vampire's body would be spread out where it could be bathed in the light of the full moon and left to revive"

bwDraco

01:02

@JourneymanGeek I'm on 100 Mbps HFC service.

Journeyman Geek

lol

bwDraco

Very stable performance, little to no congestion, truly unlimited (no data caps).

Journeyman Geek

I'm on 300 mbps now

fibre

good here is single 1gbps

bwDraco

Verizon Fios offers a 500 Mbps service, and parts of NYC are getting gigabit from RCN.

Dec 21 '16 at 22:47, by bwDraco

rcn.com/getagig

The problem is neither Verizon nor Charter (TWC) are rolling out faster service to areas not already covered. RCN seems to have seized the chance, but they don't serve every area in the city, either.

Our Internet infrastructure sucks.

There isn't adequate incentive to roll out faster service to every region.

Bob

@DavidPostill huh, never knew that

Dog

01:10

@Bob Not watched Twilight then?

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco they also actively sabotage local ISPs and do silly things like bandwidth caps

Bob

@Dog I have an allergy to glitter.

@bwDraco *cough cough*

Journeyman Geek

01:29

"Stake em, chop em, stick em in a stewwwwwwww"

bwDraco

lol

Burgi

sherlock is getting weirder and weirder

Journeyman Geek

03:22

tomshardware.com/news/cloudflare-nsl-gag-order-fight,33391.html

That's terribly kafkaistuque

Journeyman Geek

03:41

rofl

Roomie heard my mom's voice in a youtube video I was linking to someone, got up, looked around, chuffed and went back to sleep

Psycogeek

04:15

bet that wouldnt work if she texted him :-)

Psycogeek

04:31

what if everyone here was a Rap star?
we would have
B-Ur-Gee
J-Mahn
BD-Ragun
Big-Dave
B-Bob
Dog-Cat
X-Otics

Journeyman Geek

05:09

The Notorious D.O.G >_>

Also, you're really bored arn't ya? ;p

Psycogeek

just got off of working

having a terrible time with these capcha tests

Anonymous

05:53

@SwiftOnSecurity If someone found a 4 byte arbitrary write in awk, would the subsequent vulnerability disclosure be awkword?

Tweeted by SoatokDhole on January 11, 2017 at 4:34 AM

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Journeyman Geek

07:54

ooh

learn.adafruit.com/adalight-for-circuit-playground/what-it-does

this is pretty neat

Journeyman Geek

08:08

._.

Trying to install avast on a XP test vm (for the hell of it.). Its asking me if I want chrome.

also nearly everything has cert errors on IE7

I probably should ~~download more ram~~ add more ram to the VM, but ow

Bob

hm

my HDDs from Amazon were supposed to arrive today

@JourneymanGeek XP can't do SHA256 certs

Psycogeek

so that is for aura lighting? lighting up the wall and area with simlar colorations as the screen? Various Tv makers (phillips) had that feature side shooting rgb leds. I saw it in action once in a home, watching a movie, instead of adding lighting ambiance , and surround light to the perefrial vision, instead it became a distraction , a perefrial noise. Could be just me, but I would not recommend. For me it did the opposite of immersing.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Also XP + IE can't do TLS IIRC

Journeyman Geek

Yeah. Trying to install firefox

@Psycogeek yeah, but rediculously cheap

Bob

> Arriving today by 8pm

yea

it's 7:13

sure

Journeyman Geek

08:13

and at 7.55 ... ;p

Bob

> Latest update: Wednesday, Dec 28
2:32 PM
Shipment departed from Amazon facility
Hebron, KY, US

@_@

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek i built a system to do that with my ps4

Bob

I smell a lost in transit

djsmiley2k

wasn't great tho so got rid :/

Bob

fml, why are HDDs so hard to buy

first one was "damaged". second one is MIA

Journeyman Geek

08:14

@djsmiley2k bias lighting is part of my 'standard' desktop setup

not coloured though

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I don't think they deliver past 5:30 PM

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek does it help with eye strain or something/

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k IMO yes

but I use a pretty ghetto, cold white rig made out of cheap, and lots of LEDs and other random things

so its brighter than anything you would buy off the shelves

2

A: What are my options for bias lighting for a PC monitor?

After experimenting with a few experimental options - using a ledburg and a desklamp, I ended up building my own. From my experiments, direct mounting would have been bad on my dell since the stand would have obscured the 'sweet spot' of lighting if I'd stuck it directly to the screen. Its a...

IMO I really notice when its gone

Rahul2001

OMG THIS IS SO MESSED UP anttiviljami.github.io/browser-autofill-phishing

The guy gets ALL my details from Chrome Autofill D:

Also see github.com/anttiviljami/browser-autofill-phishing

Journeyman Geek

lol

old old old trick

nirsoft.net/utils/web_browser_password.html

djsmiley2k

08:22

ah

you sit in darkness o_O?

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek No, this is different

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k quite a lot, yeah

djsmiley2k

welp that's a great way to bust your eyes, appently

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k actually, I have a LOT less eyestrain this way

actually was suffering quite badly at the last job since it was a brightly lit underground space

Even with normal lighting, its an improvement

I do actually need to get new glasses (the frames are in bad shape) so I'll let you know if they got any worse

Michael Frank

Everyone, please remind me to never agree to do a PABX migration again.

This conference call is now 3 1/2 hours long. X_X

Journeyman Geek

08:25

@MichaelFrank don't ever agree to do a PABX migration again.

@djsmiley2k granted, we also have LED lighting throughout the apartment

florescents are pretty eyestrainy too

Still, IMO, its the single best improvement I've made in terms of overall comfort relative to cost

djsmiley2k

my eyes have kinda stopped changing now at all, which is good

but i do find as I'm getting 'older' screens are a pain d:

Journeyman Geek

lol

just point a table lamp at the wall behind a monitor

see if it helps

djsmiley2k

I just have the lights on

D:

Journeyman Geek

lol

this is better than the lights on ;p

blog.codinghorror.com/bias-lighting

djsmiley2k

yup

but there's no glare on my screen...

my lights are good :D

The sunshine through the window can be annoying, but if so I've got blinds

Journeyman Geek

08:32

lol

I have enough lights

and I use them most of the time

Amusingly, the bias light setup I have is bright enough I can see most of my room through them

actually, that's my old room, and I'm PRETTY sure I took that photo with the room darker than normal ;p

but I do turn off the main room lights at night quite a lot

I actually am considering builiding another, somewhat more elegant set of them with a flexible flat metal backing

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek so are your 4K screens with or without the plastic glare textured layer on the top? or are they shiney glass type?

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek matte.

Psycogeek

ok, because i was also wondering if they push for non filtered on the higher res

if more 4k stuff is just raw glass and no glare protection

Journeyman Geek

Oh. Dell's usually matte. Took a risk on the crossover

Burgi

morning

Psycogeek

08:47

ahh right, dell is going to take the "safer" route

Journeyman Geek

Only glossy screens I have are touch

@Psycogeek a lot of professional screens are matte

Psycogeek

i have seen beauty glass topped monitors, truely way less muddy looking, but (cant fool me) they would kill me , seeing the reflections.
Think aboud it, I would be seeing my own reflection in it, nobody should have to live with that :-)

djsmiley2k

yup if it's reflective then you need to sit in darkness

I don't want to sit in darkness == matte screens for me

J doh

afternoon all.

Can anyone tell me the correct term for the numbers (of a website) that are represented by a URL?

It is IP or is that more about a machine than a website / forum? Is it host?

Thanks

Psycogeek

i am fine doing with the Cave-maaan thing, the bat cave, the Man cave, as long as i have desk light can see the keys on the keyboard and all. but even the screens own light will exude enough light to get annoying distracting reflections.

Michael Frank

08:57

@Jdoh IP Address.

J doh

IP refers to machines / routers etc as well as sites (which I do realise are hosted on computers)?

Michael Frank

Yea, it's that computers address.

Burgi

what sort of chip architecture do thin clients use? are they mostly x86 or some flavour of ARM/RISC?

J doh

thanks @MichaelFrank

Michael Frank

@Jdoh It's obviously more complicated than that, so I hope you get the picture.

Psycogeek

09:16

a thing that is weird about placing bias lighting behind your monitor, there already is light there :-) especially when it was ccrt lighting, but that light is purposfully stopped from leaving out the back.

Originally i figured the TVs that had the surround lighting were doing so by just having a clear spot in the caseing , and a minor re-design of the pannel. I was surprised they used extra additional power consuming lighting , after working so hard to block what was already there :-)

That also went along with my crasy experiments with the reverse. Stopping them from blocking the entry of light in through the back, to backlight with the sun. I did achieve a fully usable (although not without issue) sun backlight pannel, and mirror reflect sun backlight pannel. a picture that was 2-4times more visable when outdoors, even with the normal backlight light off.

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi it depends. Could even be mips

Psycogeek

The "future" stuff keeps showing us transparency phones, which IMO will never work, but the same idea with the white diffusion plastic on the back, would make for a clear picture instead of seeing loads of annoying stuff through it, And it will light up the screen outdoors when the sun hits the back of it.
That (not what they show) is a possible real useful future. they could do it now, and do not.

Burgi

09:32

i was reviewing a question and it occurred to me that i wasn't entirely sure

Bob

> Arriving today by 8pm
On time

...it's 8:30 PM

Psycogeek

because phone (lcd) backlighting is one of the most power consuming items, and they insist on making stuff thin, instead of putting massive weeks long battery in (weeks of live operation) , backlighting via the sun outdoors would extend battery life by more than 2X.
all we have to do is get someone to care about being outside Ever :-) But even here in sunny california, the majority of people go from house to car.

@Bob and you already looked in the bushes :-)

delivery in 30 minutes or less, we just didnt say where

people are so content with thier indoors, even the pokeyman go kids only showed up outside for the first month of the thing.

Bob

09:55

@Psycogeek it says delivered if it's actually delivered

also I checked all the usual hiding spots when I got home

Psycogeek

@Bob how late will they deliver there? Here at 9pm it would be very rare to see UPS or USPS on the road anymore

Bob

2 hours ago, by Bob

@JourneymanGeek I don't think they deliver past 5:30 PM

Rahul2001

11:04

supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

(yes, I know how to spell that)

Burgi

@Rahul2001 ctrl+c ctrl+v

Rahul2001

No, I can actually spell that

Dog

Who am I?

What am I?

Where am I?

Why am I?

Am I?

I'm confused.

What is the meaning of this "Dog" written on my forehead?

DavidPostill

11:19

@Dog Well clearly you are looking in the mirror and it actually says "God" on your forehead :)

3

Dog

> Another unique aspect that distinguishes the Avalon mini PC from the rest is its two removable Li-ion battery packs at 99.5 Wh each. Both units are required to run the system without an outlet and AMD is promising at least an hour of VR playback before needing to recharge.

Three times the capacity of the average gaming laptop, only "at least an hour" of use -_-

I'll just strap a gaming laptop into my backpack thanks

Journeyman Geek

11:33

I see three XP questions on the front page 0_0

Dog

GeForce 910M? Radeon R2? Why do these even exist

Journeyman Geek

heh, the XP VM I'm trying to set up is kinda bad...

tried an AV I know works. 100% processor usage 0_0

Rahul2001

Uh, will blocking microsoft IPs stop win10 updates?

(In the hosts file)

Journeyman Geek

11:49

Presumably, though its probably the wrong way to do it

Psycogeek

@Rahul2001 if your not going to ever update, why not stop the service all together , then it wont even try? That was the suggestion whenit first came out. I dont know if they easily supply that control, but because the registry still has the on off data.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Psycogeek

your laughing, then i wonder what more layers of basterdised nazi control they have implemented this time :-)

Psycogeek

12:15

myself i only ever desired manual updating.
Clone the OS first, manual update 1 or a few items
test
return clone if needed.

Journeyman Geek

._. I'm having a "just because I could, dosen't mean I should" moment

Psycogeek

anything else is blindly going off without the user/administrator being able to lock down a fully operational setup , and historically updates have reeked havoc on people 8 times total , which were later fixed. inclusive of a single one that caused some people to not even boot up.

gads the thought of having to use the CMD :-) or linux

superuser.com/questions/946957/… pretty old but since updated. in this question Izzy (awesome androidSE user) , has already tested shutting off the service. Then the preferred lol method is in the answers.

MS is more likely to turn that switch back on again when you DO an update, wheras services disables tended to hold out , unless one runs a troubleshooter, and even then the user tended to be in yes/no control

Bob

12:41

@Rahul2001 you can't "block an IP" "in the hosts file"

hosts is explicitly for name resolution from domain names to IP addresses

Journeyman Geek

hm. I totally missed that :(

Psycogeek

oooh, which reminds me, some MS own DNS resolutions are "hardcoded" in (at least) 1 of the dlls. dont know if that is any one of them, but then host redirecting would not make it fail

Burgi

every time i walk away from the PC it restarts itself to install updates

Psycogeek

well look at it this way, you never know if it will do a 2 month uptime :-) and if there are bad memory leaks, it all clears up at the update (the reboot part) and you never know why your system is less stable

Journeyman Geek

Lol

My update reboots are during walkies. Which is a little scary.

Psycogeek

12:57

so you would be all ready for a long sit down (fixing it) when you come back, perfect

Psycogeek

13:08

MSes own firewall, has always been effective against itself. I have used it more than once to stop anything including the OS parts from connecting.

Journeyman Geek

naw, I'd typically just wonder why the screen locked, and log back in, then realise the system was rebooted

allquixotic

ggghhhhh, will the sinus issues ever end :(

now my throat is on fire

Journeyman Geek

0_0

I know how annoying those are

Burgi

what is the difference between phishing and spear-phishing?

djsmiley2k

13:24

spear is directed

Journeyman Geek

and catfishing...

allquixotic

@Burgi phishing by itself doesn't assume any knowledge about you, except perhaps the name associated with your email account that shows up when you send an email - that's about as much as they'd know

spear-phishing, they know who you work for, where you live, who you associate with, your date of birth, where you shop, or something else relevant to you that they then use to craft a targeted email

classic example is "this is from the helpdesk at the company you actually work for, do this and that"

Burgi

ah ok

allquixotic

I like to joke that 90% of all spear-phishing emails are hired penetration testing firms performing a security audit on behalf of the company's own IT department :P

because I've literally never seen one otherwise

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic pollen/dust related sinus or winter sinus?

allquixotic

13:28

@JourneymanGeek gene sinus; I have something sinus-related year round... it only differs in severity from "wow, this is really tolerable" to "ugh"

Journeyman Geek

ah

@allquixotic the human has that to various extents.

unrelatedly

engadget.com/2017/01/12/opera-neon

this seems neat

Burgi

what use case does it have? stuff like that has been around for ages

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi I tend to want a second browser for alternate online identities

also, seems pretty space efficient

Andy K

afternoon

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek so basically ChromeOS

Burgi

13:31

@JourneymanGeek normal mode and incognito/private mode?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic which I've not messed with yet

@Burgi and logging on each and every time? ;p

Burgi

necessary evil

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek Chrome has supported that for ages, natively

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I currently have chrome installed as a second browser ;p

Burgi

ugh! just because it snows in london they claim we are all turning into an icecube

Journeyman Geek

13:32

I do test these things sometimes, for some odd reason

Burgi

Icecube Britain!

allquixotic

I want Bob to invoke his blood magic and get a hugely starred "Go away Chrome" or something like that to complement his years-old "Go away Apple"

ironically it seems to have an opposite effect on me

Journeyman Geek

lol

Burgi

thats how we are doing brexit, letting the country freeze then we can float away from europe

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I noted there's a bunch of XP questions today ._.

XP needs to DIAF ;p

Burgi

13:35

i flagged one of them as too broad

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek relatively modern compared to some of the VMs you and Bob have

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic yup.

allquixotic

I notice that we receive a lot of bad questions / questions about obsolete software during the active hours of folks from, say, central Europe spanning through Russia and including the middle east and south Asia

not that Americans don't still run XP, but man, it's pretty bad during that time period

Journeyman Geek

Most of these seem to be americans, and entirely aware how bad an idea it is

allquixotic

lol

Burgi

13:37

@allquixotic you mean when 70% of the world's population is awake?

allquixotic

Americans who wake up at 6 AM local time (or 3 AM if they're on the west coast) and be like "You know what I want to do today? Shoehorn some software compiled for Win7 into XP."

Journeyman Geek

superuser.com/questions/1166009/… for example.

allquixotic

@Burgi yes, good, exactly

Journeyman Geek

He's CLEARLY aware its a terrible idea

hm

superuser.com/questions/1151231/play-blu-rays-on-windows-xp

that guy seems american too

I forgot I answered that

He also has a question on getting 1080p youtube on XP

allquixotic

man I wish we could have a close vote reason of "unsupported software" :/

I know the theorycrafting of SE opposes that sort of thing and prefers to be more open about what can be asked, but

Journeyman Geek

13:42

lol

AU has that

I'd probably argue against it

Burgi

"we will only support this if you explain your use case in detail"

DavidPostill

@allquixotic We could always have a meta discussion about migrating all XP questions to :

allquixotic

so I couldn't ask a question about Ubuntu 15.04 on AU?

Burgi

LOL

Journeyman Geek

Well, you have to be willing to accept no is an answer.

@allquixotic I think betas and EOL questions are closed

allquixotic

13:43

@DavidPostill that site would have to come out of beta for it to be even considered as a migration path

and you never want to migrate all questions of a certain category

only the exceptionally good ones

DavidPostill

@allquixotic I know. I was sort of kinda joking ...

Journeyman Geek

I've been in a situation where when I was using an old 98 era box with win2k as a second PC (when I didn't have dual screens)

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek yeah which is annoying if you are trying to upgrade from an EOL distro

allquixotic

well I would love for SU to have a policy similar to AU and have a migration path for decent-enough XP questions -- i.e., a site like Retrocomputing that's out of beta -- but maybe that's just me

Burgi

i don't think XP is retro yet

Journeyman Geek

13:45

There's situations where you're stuck on a specific platform - I'm fine with these questions, but sans the conspiracy theories

as I told someone else "there's no reason software needs to be supported forever"

allquixotic

I can't see any really compelling justification for being "stuck" on a platform -- even if moving to a newer platform is fairly expensive and requires a hardware upgrade etc, you should do it anyway, especially if your software is egregiously out of date

sure, you might run X that only runs on XP, but then don't run X

you can't simply respond to obsolete, security-vulnerable software by burying your head in the sand

Journeyman Geek

Not always an option ;p

DavidPostill

26

Q: What constitutes "retro"?

Every community has it's own opinion on what constitutes "retro" - more than x generations ago, more than x years old etc. Whilst it's very subjective, and the subject of much debate, will there (and should there be) any restrictions on the cut-off for "retro" here? Or is it enough that the men...

allquixotic

be proactive; stay on top of these things and tackle them ASAP instead of waiting until it becomes hopelessly old

Journeyman Geek

I try my best to migrate home systems to modern platforms

DavidPostill

13:47

The consensus is that Windows XP doesn't qualify (yet).

Journeyman Geek

but I had to be pretty sneaky to convince my dad to go off XP, and he's still on the same hardware

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek that's a user culture problem; users need to be made to "see the light" and understand the many, many drawbacks of running unsupported software, especially on boxes that have a gateway to the public Internet

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic in an ideal world, yes, but for many people, electronics are appliances

you don't upgrade your blender, why would you upgrade a PC or a phone?

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek you do "upgrade" your blender when it stops working properly; just because XP appears to work properly doesn't mean that it isn't, in fact, working improperly; it's just that "the things that don't work properly" aren't directly observable to the user... but they're there, just under the surface, in the form of security vulns, bugs that will never be fixed, lack of compatibility with modern software, etc

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek And these days electronic appliances have built in obsolescence. There are very few 20 year vacuum cleaners and fridges still working ...

allquixotic

13:51

running XP is akin to running a blender with broken blades, except that you can't directly observe the "brokenness" of the blades without, say, a microscope

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic oh, you have NEVER seen our dryer.

allquixotic

but they definitely present a problem/threat

Journeyman Geek

we have a supply of fanbelts, the door is held together by a jerryrigged magnetic catch...

DavidPostill

The world's oldest vacuum cleaner still sucking up dust after 108 years

Still chilling after 58 years: Britain's oldest fridge shows no signs of freezing up

Journeyman Geek

(and I'm convinced it'll get worse)

allquixotic

13:55

@JourneymanGeek the "supply of fanbelts" implies ongoing support; the analogy falls apart, because that'd be akin to Microsoft still supplying security bandaids to Windows XP, which it doesn't.

try running that dryer without doing anything but simply operating the thing to dry clothes and not "repairing" or aiding it in that task in any way, shape or form

that's what Microsoft is doing with XP

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic this is closer to third party software being used to do things ;p

If it was first party fanbelts sure.

this is someone going "ugh, I need to keep this running, so I'll hack in POS2009 updates , and hack firefox into doing HTML 5 video"

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