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Bob

00:00

HDMI is typically, what, 1-2m

bwDraco

HDMI 2.1 cables are not going to be cheap.

Michael Frank

> Q: When will the HDMI 2.1 Compliance Test Specification be available?

A: The HDMI 2.1 Compliance Test Specification (CTS) will be published in Q2-Q3 2017.

I guess we won't know the max length until then?

Bob

cat7a is supposedly able to do 40gbit at 50m and 100gbit at 15m...

@bwDraco meh. as always, depends where you buy em

bwDraco

They're going to have to be STP cables, for starters (you could get away with UTP cables with earlier versions of HDMI).

Michael Frank

Oh... you need to register as an HDMI adopter to get the HDMI 2.1 spec sheet :(

bwDraco

00:04

Dec 7 '15 at 19:45, by bwDraco

We're coming to a point where ordinary, low-cost copper cabling is going to be inadequate for cable runs of more than a few feet.

Michael Frank

HDMI can(could?) currently sustain full bandwidth up to 10 metres. So not quite at that point.

bwDraco

Again, highly dependent on cable quality at this point.

Michael Frank

There probably won't be a defined maximum length. All serious cable makers will be sending their cables in for certification anyway.

Bob

still kinda meh

displayport can do, what, 25gbit over 4 lanes

with a defined max of 5m but a more practical max of 3m

bwDraco

> practical max of 3m

That's going to be an issue with double the bandwidth.

UTP cables will not cut it.

Dog

00:09

So Dell lied about their thunderbolt laptops...

Bob

9 mins ago, by Bob

HDMI is typically, what, 1-2m

bwDraco

There are home theater applications that require longer cable runs than this.

Bob

we're not talking cross-house or even cross-room runs here, y'know

bwDraco

In some cases, up to 10m, in fact.

Bob

if you're doing longer runs, then you do something else. pay more.

doesn't mean shorter but still useful lengths are impossible

Dog

00:11

@Bob Chances are the vast majority of cable runs are less than that

Bob

@Dog yup

5m was the max certifiable, and 3m was just a 'common and not too expensive' number

Michael Frank

@Dog About what?

Bob

2m is the longest most people would need. 1m would work for many cases

Dog

I'd say like, >90% of people use HDMI or DP to connect a PC to a monitor or console to a TV, etc.

bwDraco

Well, none of our HDMI cables are more than 2m long, but I can see how a generic cable, even just 2m long, will have trouble carrying 48 Gbps without serious signal integrity issues.

Dog

00:13

Heck 1m is too long for some of my uses

I think the vast majority of bundled cables work for the vast majority of people. I think they're 1m or 1.5m, not too sure

If you need >2m you go out and choose and buy your own cable anyway

Bob

@Dog yea, I'm thinking 2m for monitor to under desk, or very large tv to console. 1m for normal tv to console. 0.5m for pc next to monitor. 3m for tv mounted on wall.

Michael Frank

ha, bundled cables? Nobody just GIVES away an HDMI cable.

bwDraco

@MichaelFrank My Acer H226HQL came with a full complement of cables: VGA, DVI, and HDMI. All cables were 1m long.

Dog

@Bob I used a 5m for my PC under desk to loft bed monitor on a swing arm. Was longer than I needed but my flatmate had it lying around spare

He used the 5m for running HDMI from his desktop in one room to VR headset in a different room

Bob

@Dog I can barely stretch a 1.5m from pc (under desk) to second monitor a bit further than primary

so 2m would've been more comfortable

5m would be... uh, mostly coiled up

Dog

00:15

Before that we used to use the 5m to run from the AV receiver at one end of the room to the projector on the ceiling at the opposite end

@Bob Yeah, mine do have to stretch a bit and are too short to route neatly around the monitor stand arms

Bob

@bwDraco but, really, if you're doing home theatre... you can figure something out.

mount a NUC to the TV/projector, even

there, now a 30cm cable will work fine

Dog

So aside from the single 5m HDMI cable we shared between the two of us over 3 years, every other cable we have/need/use is <2m

I wouldn't mind a 10m active thunderbolt 3 cable tbh

Bob

:34555741 uh, yea, no

Michael Frank

At the end of the day, someone that's buying an 8K TV, is not going to be going out and finding the cheapest "Generic" HDMI 2.1 cable they can find.

Bob

as much as you might love STP, UTP is perfectly fine...

coiled or not

@MichaelFrank at the same time, they shouldn't need to pay $100 for some fancy cable

Dog

00:21

@MichaelFrank They advertise it as Thunderbolt 3 up to 40Gbps but it's actually only capable of Thunderbolt 1/2 speeds.

Michael Frank

@Bob But don't you want to make sure all the 1s and 0s make it?!

@Dog That sucks.

Dog

@Bob Meh. I suspect if I plan on using Thunderbolt 3 as a poor man's substitute for 10GbE, I'm going to have to pay a premium for cables to avoid paying a premium for 10GbE cards

@MichaelFrank Yup

Hennes

uhm, no

Bob

@Dog well... you'd need an active cable apparently o.O

Hennes

I got TB3 for that purpose in my new desktop.

Dog

00:23

Not just a software/firmware bug either - the electrical schematics show it's only wired with half the lanes

Hennes

And the cheap solution turned out to be $37 for TWO 10Gbit cards.

And while we are on the subject of cables..... and Eur 40 for a cable

Dog

@Hennes Try get a modern, well supported 10GbE card with transcievers that supports SR-IOV for less than $100, good luck

Bob

@Dog ow

Dog

@Hennes Or in the case of Thunderbolt, $0 because the "cards" already come with your machine, and maybe $10 for a cable if you don't have one already

Should also point out... try getting a $37 10GbE card for a laptop...

Hennes

Uhm, they came with the machine... but I had to get a motherboard Eur 40 more expensive than the board I wanted but which did not have TB3

Dog

00:26

@Bob Yeah. Until now I was mighty impressed with the thoroughness of Dell's TB3 implementation... :-(

Hennes

The cards I got where a pair of Mellanox ConnectX-2 Single-Port SFP+ 10GBE NICs.

Dog

They had the most robust and complete TB3 implementation of anyone to date.

Bob

@Dog wait, are you talking about the new ones, or all of them?

and how did you find out?

Dog

@Hennes So no transceivers, doesn't support PCIe 3, and impossible to fit in a laptop... Useless

Hennes

Does not do PCIe v3, does not need PCIe v3.
8 lanes at PCI-e v2 speed is (8x 5Gbit/sec) is more than the card needs.

If put in a x4 slot it is still more than needed

Dog

00:31

@Bob Article

@Hennes Expresscard and MiniPCIe only have one lane

Hennes

One? How did you manage that? expresscard slot to full sized PCI-e thing?

Easy solution, replace it with a desktop motherboard

Dog

Yeah, I'm going to glue a desktop motherboard to the back of my laptop. Real practical.

Hennes

Which is easy for me to say, because a desktop is large and connot be moved,
And a laptop is small, tied to a desk with a cable and will not be moved

Dog

@Bob: Still trying to find the article but got 100 pages of CES news in the way -_-

Michael Frank

Hennes

00:33

right middle is for the answer on dog

Bob

@Dog oh, thought you tested for yourself

so old models or the newly announced ones too?

Dog

@Bob That would involve me having one

Though if I had one I probably would mind less cause I'd have the Alienware with its own proprietary graphics port anyway

No sign of a new Surface Pro at CES it seems

Bob

hmmmm

maybe I should wait another year

Burgi

@Hennes i think the joke is that there is no answer

Bob

for a CPU that supports PCIe 4.0

Hennes

00:41

@Burgi Look below search, Below the ea part

then vertical down to the right lower corner

Michael Frank

Yea, the answer is actually there.

allquixotic

@Bob annoyingly, with Intel at least, the first PCIe 4.0 boards/CPUs will be of the -E series, probably, if history is any judge.

maybe Skylake-E or Kaby Lake-E

or even Cannonlake-E

Dog

@Bob: notebookcheck.net/…

> Schematics of the XPS 9350 show that its TB3 controller is hardware-limited to speeds half of those advertised. This may affect all notebooks with a single TB3 port, including the XPS 9360, 9550, 9560, M5510, and M5520.

Bob

@allquixotic dammit. not Coffee Lake then?

Journeyman Geek

>_>

What needs all the bandwidth?

Dog

00:47

@Bob Coffee lake is not going to be on all platforms, probably laptop only

Bob

@JourneymanGeek me?

Journeyman Geek

not who, what? ;p

PCIe x8 v3 is enough for most modern graphics cards... and x4 for NVMe storage ;p

Hennes

Impatient people?

Bob

@Dog ach. and Cannonlake is Y only...

@JourneymanGeek more bandwidth on 1x slots

Journeyman Geek

ah. for? ;p

Bob

00:49

most/all non-graphics (i.e. chipset) slots are 1x

Hennes

@JourneymanGeek That is what I have atm. x8 for graphics, x8 for 10Gbit, and NVME at x4

Neh, then you just have the wrong boards

Bob

@Dog ah. thanks for reminding me H is mobile -_-

dammit. then the next desktop parts would be 2018/19

Hennes

My X58 board was x16/0 (or x8/x8) and x16 and x4 and x1

Bob

in that case I might as well go in with kaby and worry about PCIe 4.0 in 2020

Dog

@Bob Actually there's talk of 6-core Coffee Lake-X

Journeyman Geek

00:51

;p

Hennes

Fileserver has three physical zx16s (at 16/0, 8/8 and 4)

Dog

And 4/6 core DT Coffee-Lake-H

Hennes

Not sure out of the top of my head for my main desktop, but it was imilar-ish

Dog

So either they changed it or this is a different leaked roadmap

Bob

@Dog X costs too much :P

allquixotic

00:51

@Dog BGA desktop? O_O

Bob

and that'd be 2018 anyway, possibly late 2018

Dog

@Bob We don't know what X is anyway

allquixotic

!! s/possibly late 2018/probably mid to late 2019, knowing Intel/

Bob

@Hennes I'd rather any USB or SATA cards I add don't take bandwidth from the GPU

dunno how AMD chipsets handle it

Dog

It's going to be a new platform, new socket, and very different to the existing -E/-EN/-EP series

allquixotic

00:53

and fucking with my server broke cavil ofc

Hennes

I never had a shortage of USB ports. No need for add-in cards to add more.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic its probably not your fault ;p

Dog

For one, it'll have integrated graphics. For two, it won't use the same socket as the -E/Xeon E5's

Journeyman Geek

ah

Hennes

As for SATA cards. Yeah (though in my case two HW SAS RAID cards)

Bob

00:53

@Dog Oh, I was thinking along the lines of E :\

as in, i7-6xxxX

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I suppose raid is a reasonably compelling reason

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek of course it is; I rebooted the server

Dog

> Tech giant Intel is launching a new socket LGA 2066 to support their Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X processors. They will have Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X launching simultaneously in second half of 2017. While Skylake-X will feature SKUs with up to 10 cores, Kaby Lake-X will offer an intermediary solution to enthusiasts who want to upgrade to HE-DT platforms without breaking their budget.

Bob

@Hennes eh. USB 3.x

since z270 mobos apparently use custom controllers for USB 3.1

Hennes

On the X58 board: No need. eSATA pendrives are plenty fast.
The other came with it.

Bob

00:54

and custom controllers have traditionally been quite dodgy

allquixotic

Linux thinks my physical NIC iface is already bound to a bridge, but brctl doesn't show it, so I can only conclude that macvlan for lxd somehow claims a device as a "bridge"

Dog

Burgi

@Hennes @MichaelFrank you are going to have to highlight it for me

Dog

Well that's not confusing at all

Journeyman Geek

@Dog wait, so they'll release two families at once, with the newer family being cheaper, and I supposed more nerfed than the older family whaaaaat?

Bob

00:56

@Dog wat

Journeyman Geek

... that makes even more sense... not

Michael Frank

@Burgi 3 down, 8 across. diagonally down to the right.

Bob

uhhh

I assume the newer gens will be clocked higher?

so TDP limits => fewer cores?

only way this'd make sense...

Burgi

@MichaelFrank huh...

Dog

1 min ago, by Dog

Well that's not confusing at all

Journeyman Geek

00:57

that vaguely makes sense

but you could just call them the same name and differenciate by name

Bob

dunno why they'd even bother with Skylake-X at this point though

Dog

@Bob There is no sense. Intel lost it when they renamed Core M's to Core i7s

Bob

considering Kaby's supposed to be nearly identical and have a more mature process? :\

@Dog well, we'd already long past the point where any real pattern for their CPU naming existed

Dog

Ah. that's the one I was thinking of

Coffee Lake will only be Iris Pro U and DT-H

U/Y will supposedly skip straight to Cannonlake

Bob

@Dog eww

I'll stick with my 91W TDP tyvm

13

Q: Write speed requirement : 1.1GB/s possibilities?

We will have a machine at work, that on peak performance, should be able to push 50 ("write heads") x 75GB of data per hour. That's peak performance of ~1100MB/s write speed. To get that from the machine, it requires two 10GBi lines. My question is what kind of server+technology can handle/store ...

Dog

01:00

Which contradicts the other site's "leak" but this one says Intel on it so...

Oh wait that's the mobile-only roadmap

@Bob I'll take the 28w quad-core with Iris Pro tyvm

There's only one laptop I know of with a 28w Skylake-U and Iris Pro, and it's performance is awesome

Bob

@Dog yea but you're buying portable machines

I'm buying a giant box

Dog

I might buy that Eurocom laptop with a i7-7700K in it

Bob

ok, not-so-portable machines :P

Dog

I've figured I can kill three birds with one stone. Solve my gaming laptop problem, solve my desktop problem, and solve my too-many-machines problem.

Buy a laptop, that's faster than my desktop and use it as a DTR

And with a socketed i7 7700k it'll be able to upgrade to an 8800k or whatever the 6-core Coffee Lake processors will be called

I only wish the 45w HQ processors weren't soldered BGA's.... would be perfect to get a regular 45w gaming laptop and upgrade it to CFL in a year's time

Bob

@Dog solve your too-many-machines problem by buying a new machine :P

(yea, replacing the old ones, but it still sounds funny)

Burgi

01:07

the recruiters have forwarded me that linux sysadmin job again if anyone is interested

Dog

@Bob lol yeah

Well the main issue was one tablet, one gaming laptop, one desktop = three machines

Whereas gaming laptop as DTR + tablet = two machines.

Also no issue with having to copy stuff back and forth off my desktop to laptop when I go on a trip because it'll be the same machine

So it looks like anyone wanting to watch Netflix 4K on an Iris-equipped quad-core will have to wait till the middle of 2018

Bob

@Burgi cc @JourneymanGeek?

Dog

Aaanyway, CES shit, need to dig through these 300 articles to see if there's anything I want to buy in there

@Burgi In Manchester?

Hennes

Want to buy is easy. Plenty.
Need to buy or is sensible on a persons budget. Now that is a lot harder

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I'm probably going to say yes to the role I was talking about

Bob

01:11

@Dog don't like clouds? :P

Journeyman Geek

also, I'd prefer not to move for now

Bob

@JourneymanGeek oh, you got the description?

Journeyman Geek

too many damned commitments

@Bob 30 minutes after I said I needed it to decide, and with the 500 dollar increase in what they had said was the monthly salary

Burgi

@Dog yes

40k

Dog

@Bob Still haven't set up Owncloud yet, and my laptop rarely gets booted when I'm at home, except for like 3 hours before I leave

Journeyman Geek

01:14

heh

Burgi

the more i read it the more it sounds like devops

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi or what people think is devops

Dog

> Clean Preload: Lenovo is now using the Microsoft Signature Edition for all ThinkPad preloads, meaning they will be shipped without any unnecessary bloatware.
Precision TouchPad: The new ThinkPads are using to the Microsoft Precision TouchPad standard. The new touchpads are supposed to be much more precise.
USB Type C Short-Circuit-Protection: Many of the new ThinkPads have USB Type C ports, which can be used to charge the laptops as well. Since many 3rd party USB C cables and chargers are known to be of a lesser quality, sometimes even dangerous, Lenovo has build in a protection against s…

Hennes

Devops is like cloud. many meanings. Some quite different. And multiple ones which are or can be true

Journeyman Geek

"Clean Preload: Lenovo is now using the Microsoft Signature Edition for all ThinkPad preloads, meaning they will be shipped without any unnecessary bloatware. "

Ironically that's basically what IBM mostly used to do.

Dog

01:15

Much better way of doing it than HP, whose solution to poor quality third-party USB-C chargers is to only allow HP certified chargers.

Journeyman Geek

Precision touchpads are awesome, the razer I bought has it

Hennes

Much better than old Lenovo with a firmware which hacked your windows.

Dog

> The optional Nvidia GeForce 940MX is updated with GDDR5 memory instead of DDR3

!!headdesk

ChatBot John Cavil

Dog

I would literally buy it right now if it had a GeForce 1040 instead.

Burgi

01:18

is thunderbird still a thing (for now)?

Dog

> The T470p will also use Quad-Core CPUs. The GPU is also updated, just like the T470 and T570, the T470p will be available with the GeForce 940MX with GDDR5 memory instead of DDR3. Also, it will be available with a Touchscreen-option. Different from its T-Series brethren, the T470p lacks Thunderbolt 3 or USB Type C.

!!ultraheaddesk

ChatBot John Cavil

Dog

Lenovo, why do you do this to me

Burgi

what does everyone for a personal email client on windows?

Dog

Outlook for work email, Chrome for personal...

Hennes

01:21

I use two. Putty to a BSD system with elm, and thunderbird

Burgi

i could use outlook at home i guess, i pay for O365

Michael Frank

I used to use Postbox, but now I just use Inbox on Chrome.

Burgi

Chassam Recruitment are currently looking for a Linux Systems Administrator for a leading company based in Manchester. This is an exciting position where you will be working with high availability Linux Systems.

The ideal candidate will have experience working with high availability Linux Systems. You need to have strong database experience ideally MySQL/PostgreSQL or NoSQL. You also need to have strong scripting experience (Python/Bash/Perl/PHP) as well as experience with Open Source tools e.g. Nagios or Cacti.

@dog

Dog

Devops huh.

Shame, Manchester is too far to commute without a helicopter

@Bob: So I figuredo ut my S7's leaking was the fault of the Samsung service centre, and they're incompetent, and Samsung's official testing procedures hide the flaw so they can't detect it

> Acer announces Predator 21 X gaming notebook with curved display

I'LL TAKE IT

Wait, can you even get a bag for a 21" notebook?

Michael Frank

01:37

> gaming notebook with curved display

allquixotic

@Dog that's just too big for me

Dog

@allquixotic I'm thinking if it'll even fit in airline cabin baggage... which is usually limited to 20-22"

As a desktop replacement, well I carry a portable desktop and a 21.5" monitor around with me so it won't be too different

What pisses me off is they stuck two GTX 1080's in there, but didn't even put a regular quad-core processor in

> 21-inch 2560 x 1080 resolution IPS display w/ 120 Hz refresh rate and G-Sync

THat's considerably superior to the 22" monitor I carry around in my suitcase

allquixotic

is that ultrawide?

huh, that's close to the same pixels per second as my 3440x1440 @ 100 Hz

495 million vs. 331 million... okay, not that close

Michael Frank

They're both in the millions though!

allquixotic

why are they stuffing two 1080s in there for a significantly lower PPS than what works just fine on my single 1080? O_o

(pixels per second)

Bob

01:48

@Dog ?

allquixotic

root@cavil:~# ubuntu-support-status
Support status summary of 'cavil':

You have 732 packages (91.7%) supported until April 2021 (5y)
You have 52 packages (6.5%) supported until January 2017 (9m)
You have 1 packages (0.1%) supported until January 2022 (5y)
You have 4 packages (0.5%) supported until April 2019 (3y)

You have 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded
You have 9 packages (1.1%) that are unsupported

weird how it's so staggered like that

I guess that's the difference between main/universe/multiverse

> January 2017 (9m)

date returns the right date...

and no, it's not 9 minutes; I ran it again after a few minutes and it's the same

Michael Frank

Must be the other month January.

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank lol

Bob

@allquixotic it's megaseconds!

(which would actually translate to 285 years o.O)

or maybe 9 milliyears?

allquixotic

@Bob lol

Bob

01:57

@MichaelFrank January '17, after the y3k rollover...

allquixotic

if 3.65 milliyears is a day, 9 would mean it expires on Friday or Saturday

Bob

2

Q: Powering Raspberry Pi 3 from another Raspberry Pi 3

Is it possible to power a Raspberry Pi 3 directly from another Raspberry Pi 3 that is powered from a Micro USB socket. I understand there is a 5v rail and I am thinking that linking the 5v rails together might work. I think the 5v rail bypasses the protection circuitry but that shouldn't be ne...

power-supply

it's pis all the way down

allquixotic

> bypasses the protection circuitry

what is this, ElectroBOOM?

Dog

> All 2017 Spectre x360 15 SKUs will come with dedicated GeForce 940MX graphics and 4K UHD displays. Integrated-only GPUs or FHD screens will not be an option this time around

!!doublefacepalm

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

02:07

so according to #ubuntu IRC, the number in parentheses is the total support duration of the package from the time it's released until the time it expires, not the amount of time remaining

@Dog 940MX? really? you'd almost be better off with Skylake Iris Pro

Dog

02:48

@allquixotic Or a Kaby iris pro :-P

Hence I've been moaning about this stupid tactic to Bob for a few months now

So a few new laptops I'd like but still nothing that ticks all the boxes.

That said, the fact there's basically zero benefit to Kaby Lake means I'll be totally happy buying a previous-gen Skylake when the clearance deals start

allquixotic

I'm buying a 13" Skylake i7 MBP

it doesn't tick all the boxes, but as far as gaming goes, it ticks the "does it run SWTOR" box

and every other box it ticks vigorously

Dog

03:14

Heh. Now that you mention it, just about everything ticks the "does it run STO" box that used to be my main gaming requirement

Then the Steam sale came along and all of a sudden I have a load of new high end games to play...

barlop

I understand that modern computers use UEFI not BIOS. And i've heard of EFI partition as something that computers with UEFI have. Do all computers nowadays then have and require an EFI partition?

and it not then what's the advantage?

Bob

hm

I'll probably have to pick out a cooler for Kaby, sooo...

I suppose default is the ol' EVO 212

Journeyman Geek

@barlop EFI partitions let you run software preboot.

so stuff like your bootloader can sit there, and its generally just a little faster

barlop

is it necessary though?

Bob

@barlop UEFI is a standard. "BIOS" is a generic term, but usually means a clone of the legacy IBM PC BIOS in this context. Motherboard firmware these days do implement the UEFI standard, yes, but they also usually implement the legacy BIOS in a compatibility mode.

UEFI exists because BIOS never was a proper standard.

Journeyman Geek

03:23

lol

barlop

i'm not disputing that.

Journeyman Geek

24 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

... http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/3/14126754/acer-predator-21-x-gaming-laptop-annou‌nced-price-release-date-ces-2017 twenty one inch laptop...

24 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

actually, sounds like the machine @allquixotic needs ;p

barlop

@Bob and btw some say BIOS isn't a generic name, some insist that UEFI is not a type of BIOS.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic ^ and two lines below that ;p

@barlop UEFI is a firmware standard

Bios is vaguely a firmware standard

barlop

i'm not disputing that.

anyhow, what I was asking, is can you have a UEFI with no EFI partition and still boot windows..?

Journeyman Geek

03:24

er

I think so

you might need to throw it in compatibility mode though

barlop

Is it always 100MB?

Bob

@barlop The UEFI standard itself requires support for booting from an EFI System Partition. So every motherboard that implements the UEFI standard must support it.

Journeyman Geek

I think that's what MS does

Bob

It also allows an alternative Compatibility Support Module that pretends to be a legacy BIOS.

Most (desktop) motherboard firmware implements that too.

Some don't. Especially laptops.

Journeyman Geek

Don't forget though, with gpt, there's no "3+1(x)" partitions

Bob

03:27

Tablets usually don't have CSM.

Journeyman Geek

and 100mb is... meh on modern systems

Bob

Basically: whether you can boot from a non-EFI config will depend on the specific firmware, not the UEFI standard overall.

Journeyman Geek

and yeah, everyone seems to say 100mb is the minimum

Bob

My motherboard will be different from yours.

Conor

Does anybody run a VPN on a linux device at home?

Journeyman Geek

03:28

help.ubuntu.com/community/…

Bob

@barlop There is no specific size it needs to be, AFAIK.

Though some firmware will trip over if it's too big (or too small?).

Journeyman Geek

technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/…

Conor

Can't figure out how to allow devices on the home LAN to connect to the VPN device on the same LAN.

Bob

@barlop Windows is, again, different from the general case.

Journeyman Geek

MS says it should be 260gb if its an AF drive

Bob

03:29

There's technically no reason you can't boot GPT from legacy BIOS (or via CSM). GRUB will happily do that.

Buuuuuuuut Windows specifically requires GPT-formatted disks to boot via UEFI, and MBR-formatted disks to boot via BIOS(/CSM).

@barlop read this, it's a good primer: happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/…

But, basically, there's a difference between what the UEFI standard requires, what the UEFI standard allows, and what a specific firmware implementation does.

Journeyman Geek

._.

Sorry @JourneymanGeek, it could be a silly question, but what do you mean by "Run it as a livecd"? You mean run, for instance, on an external drive? — Sandra Ross 2 mins ago

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Is that the famous Sandra?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob no

That one is actually halfway competent

Bob

@Conor Connect to? Connect through? What exactly are you trying to do?

@bwDraco which cooler did you go with?

bwDraco

@Bob For the current proposed Alastor build, it's a Corsair H80i v2.

(Closed-loop liquid cooler, 120mm radiator with push-pull fans)

Bob

03:47

@bwDraco Ah, liquid. I looked at em, but I want something quiet.

Liquid's always got that pump noise going on.

bwDraco

My main requirement isn't bringing noise to a bare minimum as it's not in a home theather or other extremely noise-sensitive environment. I just want robust cooling with reasonable noise levels under load.

I'm kinda used to 50+ dBA noise from my laptop under maximum load...

Dog

@Bob liquid is quiet.

A properly configured pump is inaudible. Quieter than the quietest CPU cooler fan at minimum speed.

Bob

@Dog :\

I've never used liquid... was just going by a couple reviews

Dog

@JourneymanGeek Kaby Lake is a bit of an aberration. It was never meant to exist, and quite literally as Ars says, just a filler so OEMs can stick a new label on products shipping this cycle while Intel remain too incompetent to have learnt from their mistakes and had to shove something in at the last minute after the "real" product remains miles away

@Bob well if you use a stock AIO system, maybe. But even a cheap crappy noisy pump can be made inaudible with some basic modding.

By basic I mean as simple as dangling it by the tubing instead of screwing it to the case (or use silicone isolation studs) and connecting to a 7v molex

Journeyman Geek

dangling it by the tubing is a terrible idea

Dog

03:55

It works

Journeyman Geek

lol

Dog

Tubing works 80% as well as dedicated decoupling foam or rubber pads

I mean it is basically rubber hose anyway.

Bob

...I'll stick with air, probably :P

could always switch to liquid later anyway

Dog

If you don't want to dangle it with tubing but are too cheap for special screws you could just ad well dangle it with rubber bands or string

Water is overrated.

Bob

not like I'm gonna be doing any real OCing

Dog

03:58

I get just as good an overclock with a low-noise low-profile mini-ITX air cooler as I did with my £350 dual-double radiator custom loop

Mind you the main reason I got the water cooling was to cool the ridiculous furnace that was the Radeon 290X but ended up returning that and getting a GTX 970 instead which used half the power

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