Root Access

Journeyman Geek

00:07

@Psycogeek ... a knife? a taser? and for god's sake, if your dog's growling at you for doing something its unfamiliar with back off

Some people shouldn't bloody own a dog

Psycogeek

I think it might have been a "rescue" dog got it a month ago but isnt a puppy

Journeyman Geek

From experience I know puppies have sharp teeth too ;p

Psycogeek

who knows how it was treated before they got it, one of the dogs here was a rescue, and whomever raised the little bas-- - did a pretty bad job of it. reminds me again why I prefer to get a dog from regular people, as a puppy,.

dogs , computers , the same , nobody wants to inherit your screwed up operating system :-)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Ash was a rescue

Journeyman Geek

00:35

Tested in 2016: Adam Savage's Favorite Things!

►

Bob

floof

Journeyman Geek

Everyone else is like "I bought this"

Adam's like "I BUILT ARAGON'S SWORD!" "AND MY OWN KNIFE GRINDER!"

... and a one of a kind movie armour....

barlop

is there a special type of connector that mini pcs use and monitors use, to enable this kind of physical connection? i.imgur.com/Wa2XreG.png

Bob

@allquixotic Eh... technically... that depends on how much you're doing before and after rasterisation. To use OpenGL as an example, the vertex and geometry shaders (pre-rasterisation) don't visit every "pixel" because pixels do not yet exist, but the fragment shaders (post-rasterisation) do.

Journeyman Geek

@barlop VESA mounts

Often used for 'universal' computer stands too

I abuse those for my monitor bias lighting

Bob

00:44

@JourneymanGeek @barlop if you're planning on doing this, many (most?) monitors with VESA mounts actually cover them with the stand, so you can't use both the mount and their original stand at the same time

Journeyman Geek

@Bob if they even have them

the dell covers them, the crossover does not

@bwDraco theverge.com/2017/1/1/14139216/dell-xps-13-2-in-1 might be worth keeping an eye on

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Acer (CB280HK) also covers them

Asus (VE247H) doesn't have em

Journeyman Geek

>_>

lol. I think that's a newer/bigger cousin of my old monitor

and my asus didn't have em either

I think the dell 24 inch did, and had them accessible, but had a crappy fixedish stand

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea, I think I meant the ones with properly adjustable stands tend to cover them :P

fixed stands are often attached down the bottom

then again I think I have a Dell here with a fixed/tilt stand that covers the VESA mount, sooooo

Journeyman Geek

anyway

@barlop my mini PCs typically came with a 'plate' that attaches to the vesa screw holes (if available)

they then slot into a pair of 'keyholes' with two screws

bwDraco

01:03

@JourneymanGeek Not detachable.

Journeyman Geek

eh

Not sure if it is, and that's the requirement that's giving you the most trouble.

Psycogeek

01:25

i wonder where they got the idea to do that with thier eyebrows, till i found . . .

HackToHell

Sigh slept 3 hours today

Psycogeek

ming the merciless, from flash gordon.

HackToHell

too many fucking mosquitoes >.<

Also over head fans are useless -_-

Psycogeek

ugg i hate mosquitoes , i cover myself with an arsnic/cyanide mix :-) kills them on bite

barlop

@JourneymanGeek ok so if I want to get a monitor that allows the base to be connected along with a mini pc then what should I look for?

Psycogeek

01:30

so many stories have been told, but i finnaly proved that mosquitoes trying to suck your blood, find you by the CO2 you expell. All you have to do is stop breathing.

Journeyman Geek

@barlop one with usable vesa mounts even with the stand

barlop

how is it possible?

Journeyman Geek

erm

Research?

barlop

does the stand not use the vesa mount?

Journeyman Geek

nope

like with my crossover

barlop

01:31

when you say nope..

do you mean that question proposing that statement is correct?

Journeyman Geek

the 'stand' is a small chunk of aluminium screwed into the back of the monitor directly

barlop

like, yeah the stand doesn't use the vesa mount?

ok

Journeyman Geek

The stand dosen't necessarily use the vesa mount

but the stand may cover the vesa mount

barlop

any idea what's going on in that picture?

Journeyman Geek

Its a fixed stand that connects at the bottom

the vesa is meant as an alternative or for mounting a computer as a back

Psycogeek

01:34

google.com/…

Journeyman Geek

@barlop ends up with something like that

Of course, there's nothing stopping you from just sticking it in place with 3m VHB, assuming you have enough clearance

barlop

do some screens ever get a bit warm over there? maybe not ideal for a fanless mini pc to be clipping onto in that situation?

Psycogeek

ASUS BE249QLB-G monitor is bundled with the MiniPC kit for those who need to mount mini PCs on the monitor, to make the desktop clutter-free and space saving . 15 minutes in the machine shop , a person could whip out a way to stuff any mini on any monitor. or with acrylic, or velcro foamtape .

Journeyman Geek

eh. Depends on what you do

@Psycogeek >_>

@Psycogeek pretty much

@barlop that plate is a mini PC mounting kit from er... I think asrock

they're designed to be a little proud of the surface

and there's probably airflow

so, not likely to be an issue

Psycogeek

i would be least likely to buy something like that, and most likely to make something like that. to address all issues, cooling, stability (average monitor stand cant hold a monitor) wire routing and any other concerns discovered when prototyping the first try.

Journeyman Geek

01:42

@Psycogeek those mounts are designed to be strong enough to hold the whole monitor

barlop

I guess also there isn't much advantage attaching a mini pc to a monitor anyway.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@barlop ghetto AIO ;p

also neater cabling in some cases

Psycogeek

new led monitors have very little heat comming off, and it is spread out well.

Journeyman Geek

I'd have done it if I didn't have a better use for my VESA screw holes

barlop

what's your better use?

Journeyman Geek

01:44

bias lighting

barlop

maybe somebody should invent a multiway vesa mount!

like one to many.

Journeyman Geek

lol

more a 'stacked' one

but anyone can make a vesa mount with some steel sheet and a drillpress

Burgi

02:34

why is it that sometimes when you are tired you just cannot sleep?

barlop

try lavender oil

maybe your ancestors were the ones in the tribe that would guard the others when they slept

Psycogeek

bodys chronological clock, which enjoys a pattern.
Less food in stomach, so the seritonin is low.
stress, brain says you are not secure enough for vulnerable rests

barlop

how would I use a laptop screen and keyboard, with a mini pc?

are there particular laptops that might support that?

Psycogeek

a laptop IS a mini pc :-)

barlop

i'd love that then I could have a fanless laptop(for screen and keyboard) connect it to a fanless mini pc.

laptops often have fans. But with mini pcs I have so much more choice in terms of power and being fanless.

Burgi

02:40

@Psycogeek its probably stress

barlop

so i'd love to use a laptop screen and keyboard with a mini pc.

or a foldable screen keyboard thing

hmm.. I see you can get portable monitors now.

Journeyman Geek

lol

lololol

@barlop I was looking at just the thing for that

dx.com/p/…

Pretty shitty res but meh

Rahul2001

03:18

Mornin'

Bob

03:41

@JourneymanGeek I'd go for plastic.. steel sheet's a bit thin

actually mdf would be even easier, if not as neat

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I'd use MDF

the 'standard' ones are steel

Bob

@JourneymanGeek :P

Journeyman Geek

wee. I just 1) Shared a piece of obscure information 2) used a gif vaguely appropriately

whoot. 97K. 3K to go

@Bob I've used MDF, with the steel 'stock' ones as templates for prototyping

Dog

05:20

I kissed a cat and I liked it

barlop

@JourneymanGeek maybe wiknix.com/best-portable-monitor-for-laptop

Alan Watch

06:10

yesterday my grub boot loader got corrupted..glad I fixed it right after the 4th attempt

I found the solution in askubuntu.SE

djsmiley2k

07:57

At work

Bank Holiday so I get a little extra, but the day's leu is what I'm really here for

@AlanWatch what broke it, out of interest?

And morning all, what ups with us today

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Q: Average life of SATA Drives?

What is the average life of a SATA hardrive? Almost all data I can find gives failure rates for the first 0-5 years, but none seem to actually find the end of the life of the drives. The reports, charts, and studies by google, backblaze, and the likes only tell part of the story as they focus o...

I don't know what this person wants :/

How long til a given set of drives die? Who knows \o/

the chance of failure increases over time

Journeyman Geek

08:13

Too broad?

Psycogeek

"We are moving to an OBR10 setup for a small business with aged SATA drives of 4-6 years . " To me that would suck. drives treated perfectally and having survived shipping, are fully reliable for 3-4 years , then you start guessing that it isnt about to EOL.
3-4 years of Spun Up time, or 10-12 years of 8 hour day stuff, that it standbyed ,parked or the computer isnt evven on all day

djsmiley2k

yup

Psycogeek

Could also die in 2 seconds , but a person can mitigate other issues that could kill them. so worn out mechanicals, that is what would begin to end it for me

djsmiley2k

he says he has full backups and complete failure of the array isn't a huge problem

to which I go 'why do you care when the drives fail then?'

8 hours a day usage - i.e. turning them on and off every day, can also cause extra stresses...

@Psycogeek ages ago, was your avatar an orangutang or have I just imagined that?

Psycogeek

yup my favorites are the funkey monkeys

Alan Watch

08:22

@djsmiley2k I was shrinking my Windows C partition to create a small unallocated partition. When I tried to boot kali linux an error was shown that "unknown filesystem, entering grub rescue mode:"..it was corrupted just by repartitioning that drive which has no relation with grub?..how weak grub is

Psycogeek

@djsmiley2k myself i have never had troubles with parking over and over again. I use much and much green type drives, which i do tweak from going to sleep way to often, but i depend on hourly sleep, even from raid0. any balanced ammount of spin-down vrses it having to spin up, never caused any problems, and the manufactures have sold drives that sleep way to much, and it hasnt caused them (the manufacture) any huge problems. As long as the spin-up spin-down isnt excessive,

I think motor wear outweighs normal spin-down. it saves power and it saves motor wear, and in rare need it can also cool down.

djsmiley2k

@AlanWatch how did you shrink the partition?

@Psycogeek hmmm, You clearly maintain the drives and check what they are doing, by 'default' some drives have far too often spin down settings, which over time would be rather bad

but I'm talking actually cutting power to the drive every day

the shock of being powered on and off can cause issues too, over time

It's rare that a drive will die while powered on, more likely to die being powered back on after being off.

Same with lightbulbs etc

Psycogeek

i think the bigger problems that can cause some people way more problems is:
Crappy power (not cut power) Extreeme enviromental conditions for ones that are not sealed. and #3 some fool putting it in the freezer :-)

to me it was always Crasy that they warned us endlessly with video tape (analog and digital) that it can condence water, as it is exposed to the air. But like no warning, and not even much talk about it and no testing for. . . Condencing or freezing tiny bits of moisture on the platters or heads.

even in california in the worst of winter, a person could move a drive from thier self-storage , out of thier car, or out in thier garage or something, and destroy a drive in the fisrt spin-up. I am betting more canadians and alaskans :-) have nuked one and they didnt even know why.

Rahul2001

08:50

Hello

Psycogeek

another one people dont seem to be really aware of is bumping thier computers when the drives are spun-up. shouldnt be bounced off the floor like thier phones :-) Plus we have seen how vibrations on server rack setups alone can cause minor issues. But do the servers all have fully regulated UPSes? do they have proper isolation mounting? do they know if thier cooling system can get it to snow inside (seen that).

djsmiley2k

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/51062/…

taken it to a chat, plz come and join in.

@Psycogeek well in a sealed air tight unit it shouldn't be a problem...

@Rahul2001 Morning, come to prove me wrong on other things? :( XD

Rahul2001

Lol

djsmiley2k

09:43

sigh

it's completely dead at work

granted, been here nearly 2 hours now, but it feels like today is gonna draaaaaag

Alan Watch

@djsmiley2k I used disk management

djsmiley2k

10:00

windows disk management?

Alan Watch

@djsmiley2k yeah

Journeyman Geek

rofl

indico.cern.ch/event/247864/contributions/1570376/attachments/…

Yes its a PDF

See page 12

djsmiley2k

@AlanWatch and you wonder why it stamped all over grub, yet you blame grub? XD

wow they put desktop usage at 55Tb a year

I'd be supprised if most desktops get anywhere near that, even with swap on disk

 But…..use of MTTF alone is meaningless

most important bit of all those slides lol

djsmiley2k

10:33

you ever get the feeling that it's asking for your bitlocker key?

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Q: My ASUS always asks me the BitLocker key

I have an ASUS T100TA. I don't know what is happen, but not when I restart, Windows 10 asks me the BitLocker key. I lost my key. No problem. I can reinstall Windows. I created an USB drive to boot the Windows 10 installer, but my ASUS always asks me the BitLocker key! I tried to create an USB d...

bitlocker

xD

Alan Watch

@djsmiley2k yeah I blamed grub for getting itself corrupted just because I touched the C partition..I could understand if it was EFI partition but it was C drive

djsmiley2k

windows likes to stamp over everything and ignores whatever maybe in it's way

Journeyman Geek

ugh

I really want to get someone to proofread one of my answers before I post it

djsmiley2k

pastebin it and I will?

Journeyman Geek

its bloody rambly and I'm worried I repeated myself

Has images ><

djsmiley2k

10:40

herp

post, delete it

and then maybe someone can see it?

Journeyman Geek

0

A: Average life of SATA Drives?

There's no real measure of average life since it deeply depends on a whole load of different factors. Its a little like asking how long is a piece of string. For a specific drive, a datasheet may have some relevant information, though its still a rough indicate, that may need to be interpreted wi...

meh, feel free to edit/suggest ect

djsmiley2k

looks good to me

I'd make Its just too complex to guess. bold

as that's the 'answer' as such

Journeyman Geek

lol

I added a tldr at the top

Its its rediculously long for a "no"

djsmiley2k

yeah, but that's because the question is bad

but the asker refuses to see that.

There's cars from the 1920's that still run

does that means all cars last 90 years?

Journeyman Geek

lol. Does this make seagate the BMC of the 70s of hard drives? ;p

djsmiley2k

10:50

;)

Hey, the diskstar was cool.

Journeyman Geek

I had a 7200.11

~~deathstar~~ deskstar was IBM

djsmiley2k

I do know I had two WD drives that got to 8 years without any bad sectors

then one started showing some, so I scrapped them

Journeyman Geek

and modern deskstars are pretty much the most reliable drives you can buy

djsmiley2k

11:04

Once burnt...

HackToHell

11:20

yay jail broke my kindle

djsmiley2k

\o/

I have done mine

but never got around to it displaying anything yet

djsmiley2k

12:31

it's so so quiet...

Burgi

wow

Rahul2001

Heyyyy

DavidPostill

brrrrrr

Burgi

so the formula for asking a HNQ is: have a slightly silly question as the title and then flesh out the question with a little n00bishness

3

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek what is that?

@Burgi tru dat

I've been trying to think of an HNQ worthy question for a while... I think I have one

Burgi

12:43

i am in a little bit of a bind though

Rahul2001

@Burgi ??

DavidPostill

@Rahul2001 @Burgi Of course you need a question that a) hasn't been asked before b) is on-topic ...

Burgi

bwdraco's question has the most votes but davidpostill has the better answer with more references

DavidPostill

@Burgi I'm trying to rep cap today (hint).

Burgi

lol

DavidPostill

12:46

I still need 2 more repcaps for the "Third Time's A Charm" hat ... I have 1 already ...

Rahul2001

I rep capped on Saturday :)

Burgi

i'll have another read through later and decide

djsmiley2k

hmmm

I wish I had questions :/

Rahul2001

@Burgi s/question/answer

Burgi

@Rahul2001 thanks

i need another 80 rep to rep cap today

DavidPostill

12:49

I need 60 or so

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 slides for a random presentation on HDD reliability

Burgi

you get 15 (i think) for marking an answer

XKCD

[holding up a three-phase motor] As you can see here, the problem is that the humidifier I took this from is broken.

3

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek it's weird

Journeyman Geek

2

15 if someone else marks your answer as correct

djsmiley2k

12:53

@Rahul2001 ... why?

Bob

@XKCD :D

Burgi

i think all the smaller issues i was having with my PC have all gone now i've rebuilt it

its running really nicely

spam: superuser.com/a/1162532/393570

flag bans should let you still flag as spam

That Brazilian Guy

13:25

@Burgi Wait, are you still flag banned?

Burgi

its for 7 days

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi go flag on SO :p

Burgi

i don't have enough rep to access the review queues there

Journeyman Geek

do you have rep to flag?

@Burgi oh, I dropped undo, and one of the other mods a flag

barlop

13:41

@JourneymanGeek what do you think of that portable monitors link wiknix.com/best-portable-monitor-for-laptop compared to the link you mentioned previously dx.com/p/… ?

Journeyman Geek

@barlop I think it kinda comes down to price/complexity

the ones you linked are probably easier

but probably a lot more expensive

DavidPostill

@Burgi User has been nuked on both SU and SO.

Journeyman Geek

:)

oh

@barlop and a lot bigger

that one's 7 inches

WHATEVER Dave

morning

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek have you always lived in singapore?

Journeyman Geek

13:55

Yup

Rahul2001

Ah

Is there anyone in the room who's been through the Indian education system?

@HackToHell ??

Journeyman Geek

hmm. Depends on how far.

That Brazilian Guy

@WHATEVERDave Good morning, hope it's better than mine. Or suck a little less, at least.

djsmiley2k

you could take that capastive touch screen, install it in a eeepc case, along with a raspi and have a nice lil' laptop

Rahul2001

@WHATEVERDave Hey

I don't see the point of most USB encryption software.

djsmiley2k

14:06

to encrypt data on usb?

DavidPostill

@Rahul2001 So you are happy to lose your thumbdrive and give everybody your passwords?

Rahul2001

If you're going to decrypt and extract the file everytime I put in the password, and the delete the decrypted file once I'm done, even free data recovery tools will be able to get the file

djsmiley2k

depends where it extracts to

barlop

@JourneymanGeek I guess a screen that isn't protected is a bit too delicate. So foldable is better 'cos it is covered with plastic for carrying around.

djsmiley2k

a good software will extract it into a ram disk

Rahul2001

14:07

@DavidPostill This is what SanDisk SecureAccess does ^

Journeyman Geek

you can decrypt on the fly to memory

DavidPostill

@Rahul2001 Extract into memory?

Journeyman Geek

@barlop I want it for my desk to put my music player on ;p

djsmiley2k

I said it first :P

Rahul2001

@DavidPostill If I have a folded with executables dependent on each-other, I have to extract the entire folder to disk to use them

djsmiley2k

14:09

ramdisk

your software is going to be so slow if it has to copy from, and to the disk, before you acn access the file

Rahul2001

@djsmiley2k SecureAccess doesn't do that

djsmiley2k

that's 3 read/write cycles

you sure?

read encrypted, write unencrypted, read unencrypted

Rahul2001

@djsmiley2k Yes, it prompts me for a location to extract to

djsmiley2k

ewww

Rahul2001

exactly

djsmiley2k

14:10

it claims it's got file streaming access o_O

This is a question for security.se right?

Rahul2001

Does anyone know of any sensible USB encryption software?

djsmiley2k

errr

Rahul2001

@djsmiley2k I suppose so

djsmiley2k

normal encryption software.

Journeyman Geek

I'd ask the questions I always ask

1) What's your threat?

2) IS THE MOSSAD AFTER YE LAD?

Rahul2001

14:12

Nah, I carry around my website data so that I can work on it from school

And other sensitive stuff which I don't want other people to see

djsmiley2k

why isn't ctrl c working for me :<

wtf I can't copy and paste anymore

0

Q: Isn't extracting a encrypted file to disk a bad idea?

When using SanDisks SecureAccess software to access your 'encrypted' usb key, it requests you give it a location to extract the files to - expecting you to give it a folder to write them out to. Isn't this incredibly stupid, as you've just created an unencrypted copy of your files, and written t...

encryption usb-drive

boom

DavidPostill

Your ctrl key broken?

djsmiley2k

seems it might be

but the first few times i even tried using the context menu and that failed too

now it works again, weird!!

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek not sure what you mean but thanks

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi >_>

I got someone to.. ahem

nuke em till the glow, then shoot em in the dark

HackToHell

14:34

@Rahul2001 Yup me me

WHATEVER Dave

@JourneymanGeek: Its not soo bad today for me.. Apparently i'm the only one who made it into the office today.. Ill probably head out here soon and head back home.

@Rahul2001: LTNS

Journeyman Geek

o0

djsmiley2k

@Burgi security.stackexchange.com/questions/147008/…

that agrees with what I'd have thought - it'd be incredibly slow

Bob

Journeyman Geek

.....

Bob

14:48

imgur.com/a/dRlR3

Rahul2001

@HackToHell Do you mind if I ask you a few questions?

@WHATEVERDave yep

@Bob D:

Journeyman Geek

-35

Q: Is 'Mmmm Bacon' hat in poor taste?

I hold the stack community to very high standards in everything from technical discussions to being acutely aware of cultural sensitivities. As a vegetarian and animal lover I found the 'Bacon' simply too offensive. I'm keen to hear what the other stack<*>ians have to say.

discussion winterbash-2016

0_0

I'm tempted to answer "only if its real, and you're wearing it"

HackToHell

@Rahul2001 sure, feel free

Rahul2001

@HackToHell Are you in uni ATM?

HackToHell

Yus, final year

Will be graduating in March

Rahul2001

14:53

What stream did you take?

HackToHell

Information Technology

Rahul2001

Ah, okay

Do you think that uni in India is good? Or should I try for abroad?

HackToHell

There are a few good universities in India too, they are pretty hard to get in tho.

But you can still get good studying elsewhere, but depending on how crappy the uni is, your skills will suffer.

You can learn everything you need to know off the internet these days but there's still networking etc that happens only at college

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