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17:07
@Burgi littyup
err
yup
Was about to proclaim almost the same thing - it's gettin stormy out there
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!!Caaaat
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Dangit
Weather
Dangit
Steam
Dangit
Microsoft
Dangit
yeah
@Dog has like everything blown away tehre yet?
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17:17
@djsmiley2k Yes
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Rain cover for my motorbike blew off yesterday. I'm scared of putting it back on today in case it blows the whole motorbike over
:/
can you tie it on?
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Yeah, but a) I'd have to drive across town to get my rope and b) Last time it was windy and I had it on it flapped about like a sail and blew the whole thing over
thats why you tie it :/
like so tight theres no gaps
and you never take it off because effort
can someone plz fix chat for me :*
17:28
What's broken?
wee, more hats
i have to manually scroll @BenN and no matter what I try I canm't fix it
Are you on mobile?
no
win10/chrome
also links to other comments don't work either
its like page anchours don't work
Hard reload?
17:31
ctrl F5?
Yes
this has been like this for months btw, so i've tried quite a few things including reinstalling chrome
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@djsmiley2k lol
Do you have this flag enabled? chrome://flags/#enable-experimental-web-platform-features
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Doesn't make much difference if the wind blows over the motorbike...
@djsmiley2k Double lol.
17:33
@Dog ffs what have you replied to D:
errm yes @BenN
Don't tell me that is it
that got enabled for my CCTV iirc
I think that's it
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> The download site is experiencing technical issues. Please try again later.
(and that never worked).
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Goddammit download site, you had one job
@Dog probably several thousand jobs if it's a download site
17:34
OMFG @BenN I could kiss you
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:D
how come no one suggeted tat on the meta D:
I found an older meta with the same symptoms, just cast a duplicate vote
@djsmiley2k Which fixes it? Enabled or Disabled?
Disabled
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17:36
Erf. Works on my hostel conneciton, not on my server connection
Meh, guess I'll just have to download it then re-upload it. Not going to take too long on a 100Mbps upload
@BenN I don't use Chrome much but good to know
yeah @BenN at the time i couldn't find a dupe, doh!
disabling it fixes it
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Upvoted
Surprised there's been no change in over 2 years on an "experimental" feature
@Bob Text message, not multimedia message
!!tell 34278123 facepalm
damn, my server still isn't booting on its own
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@Bob :-O
So the unwanted DDoS they're insistent on forcing on everyone (because they seem to attract a lot of uber popular ddos targets as customers) is holding things up. Hmm.
17:45
> error: no such device: <guid>
Entering rescue mode....
grub rescue>
errr
does it show an actual guid
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@allquixotic Your IP address appears to be... >_>
or really the text <guid> ?
k
an actual guid
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17:46
What are you trying to PXE boot for?
I have to run this to boot:
grub 1 or 2?
I don't think that last thing is a GUID, it's not long enough
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@Bob Haven't actually looked. I hate video articles
set prefix=(hd0,gpt1)/root@/boot/grub
insmod normal
insmod linux
normal
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17:47
Oh wait, it fails PXE boot then goes to grub
GRUB2, BIOS / CSM boot (not UEFI) on a GPT-formatted ZFS RAID-1 volume
Ubuntu 16.04
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Grub can't find the boot device ID it's told to in the config file
I already ran update-grub on Ubuntu, which automatically replaced all instances of that c9.... identifier with a new one
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If set prefix=(hd0,gpt1)/root@/boot/grub fixes it why don't you just put that in your grub.conf?
I did ack-grep c9...whatever /boot and nothing gets returned
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17:48
(I have no idea how grub identifies volumes on ZFS, but it seems you know how to get it to work)
(ack-grep is a better grep that skips binary-ish files and automatically does recursive search)
@Dog the thing is, I don't even know where grub is getting that c9 identifier from, because none of its config files have it.
I'd replace it if I knew where it was
wish I knew grub2 to help :/
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What does your /boot/grub/grub.cfg contain?
Mine looks more like this, after I've fudged with it:
23/12/2016 17:49:23 [[email protected]:~] $ cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg
serial --unit=0 --speed=115200
terminal_input serial console
terminal_output serial console
set default=0
set timeout=3
menuentry 'XenServer' {
  insmod gzio part_gpt part_msdos diskfilter mdraid1x
  set root=(md/1)
        multiboot2 /boot/xen.gz dom0_mem=3072M,max:3072M watchdog ucode=scan dom0_max_vcpus=8 crashkernel=128M@256M console=vga vga=mode-0x0311
        module2 /boot/vmlinuz-3.10-xen root=/dev/md1 ro nolvm hpet=disable xencons=hvc console=hvc0 console=tty0 rd.auto rd.auto=1 rhgb quiet vga=785 splash plymout
Had to fudge the root=/dev/md1 to get mine to boot. I imagine yours has something similar?
It used to be root={some GUID}
#
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
#
# It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig using templates
# from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
#

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/00_header ###
if [ -s $prefix/grubenv ]; then
  set have_grubenv=true
  load_env
fi
if [ "${next_entry}" ] ; then
   set default="${next_entry}"
   set next_entry=
   save_env next_entry
   set boot_once=true
else
   set default="0"
fi

if [ x"${feature_menuentry_id}" = xy ]; then
  menuentry_id_option="--id"
else
  menuentry_id_option=""
I actually never even touched grub.cfg on my MG-128
notice how the identifiers in the search commands were automatically changed, by update-grub, to 5ba39976d1877d83?
those used to be that c8... identifier that I get an error about when trying to boot
c823457... rather
oddly, neither blkid nor /dev/disk/by-id nor /dev/disk/by-uuid contain any substring with 5ba399 in it
hmmmm gonna sound weird, but was /boot mounted when you ran update-grub?
and is it now?
17:54
/boot is part of the / partition, ZFS's tank/root
it's not a separate dataset
k
so where did update-grub get this weird 5ba399 string o_O
root@kobol:~# parted /dev/sda print
Model: ATA HGST HUS724020AL (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 2000GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt
Disk Flags:

Number  Start   End     Size    File system  Name      Flags
 1      1049kB  2000GB  2000GB  zfs          ZFS
 2      2000GB  2000GB  9437kB               GRUB      bios_grub
 9      2000GB  2000GB  8462kB               Reserved

root@kobol:~# parted /dev/sdb print
Model: ATA HGST HUS724020AL (scsi)
Disk /dev/sdb: 2000GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
I'm not sure what partition #2 even is
it's 9 megs of something
that c9 string might be in there
isn't that some efi hack?
but I can't even mount it
it's not the EFI System Partition, no
I'm not booting via UEFI
I don't have an ESP
notice how parted has no idea what filesystem is on there
it's something gpt.
(parted)set 1 bios_grub on
17:56
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A: "GPT detected. Please create a BIOS-Boot partition" while using boot-repair

Rod SmithFirst, the bios_grub flag in parted or GParted is a way to identify a BIOS Boot Partition. GRUB 2 uses this partition to hold part of its boot code when the computer boots in BIOS mode. It's normally about 1MiB in size, although it can be smaller in some cases. Most importantly, if Boot Repair re...

I think update-grub may of ignored the fact this existed
I feel like there's probably some code in that bios_grub partition that needs to be updated
yup
wow the gentoo wiki doesn't give how you update it either
update-grub --recheck /dev/sda && update-grub --recheck /dev/sdb
it's a shot in the dark but we'll see if it works
'grub-install' is the command I'm finding
18:01
the --recheck is supposed to regenerate grub's device map
When a GPT partition table is present on the system, a small BIOS boot partition with type EF02 (which is different from the EFI System Partition (ESP) which has type EF00) will need to be available. 1 MiB will be enough to work, but 2-4 MiB is a safer option. This BIOS boot partition will hold the stage 2 of the bootloader. BIOS boot partitions do not need to be formatted with a filesystem; the grub-install command will overwrite any existing filesystem with one of its own.
that sounds rightish
YES! IT WORKED!
it automatically boots to the grub menu now, then 8 seconds later the default Ubuntu boot men item boots up the latest kernel
\o/
was this all because of a kernel upgrade?
18:03
no
I did a dd over the network from my old server to my new one
also, my above line that I typed is wrong
what fixed it was grub-install --recheck /dev/sda && grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb
update-grub was also necessary to update grub.cfg, but that didn't actually reinstall the device map into the bios_grub partition
yey i was right \o/
so if I ever do this again, it's grub-install --recheck <boot device>; update-grub
this is why I don't like grub2
so much more complicated :/
18:05
I love it; it's way more featureful than earlier grub
it boots ZFS root
yeah, i don't need any of the features tho :D
I don't even need my USB key (cc @Bob)
yup, i don't use zfs :D
I think the only problem with this method (BIOS boot with GPT) is that after the disks reach the ~4TB size, they won't be bootable in CSM mode any longer.
I'll eventually (once OVH offers bigger disks as standard) have to figure out a way to go UEFI boot -> grub2 -> ZFS root
that's the holy grail of boot setups
how big a disk you want?
18:08
I'm happy with the 2 x 2 TB disks I have now
but eventually 2 TB disks won't be offered standard anymore, I'd like to think
I'm askin for 4Tb's for you :D
what...?
oh right
lol don't worry
i'm just asking if they planning to go to larger disks by default
ah
they default to 4 TB disks on certain server lines, but not the one I bought
the very high-end ones ($350+/month) ship with 4 TB disks
not going to be like 'there's a guy I know, go up, screw him over by upgrading him haha'
I mentioned before there's a guy I know
18:10
well if they want to give me a free upgrade to 4 TB I definitely wouldn't turn them down... but I'm not super interested in having to redo my server now that I just got it working perfectly
I have 990 GB free space and I can definitely delete some stuff and clear out like 200 GB with some effort
I'm already reaping the benefits of a 25% off coupon code on this new server
and downgrading from the MG-128 Haswell to the SP-128-S Ivy Bridge, plus the 25% off, has saved me about $1750 per year
that's half a laptop
nice low CPU load even with all services running
hmm, what should I use my MG-128 for for 8 days? seems sad to let it go to waste
archive team!
@djsmiley2k what, seeding?
18:41
Should I consider getting a dedicated server to play around with?
My current cloud services budget is about $30-40 a month. Assume a much higher, but not unlimited, budget; up to $200 a month will be considered.
What do you use your server for?
Should I be worried about stuff like NSLs?
I'm feeling left out as @allquixotic, @Bob, and @JourneymanGeek all have dedicated servers.
why is steam down :(
this is messing with all my plans :(
@Burgi They are trying to earn the "This is Fine" hat :)
lol
i saw
i wonder if they have silently gone bust
there aren't any tweets or news...
Obviously Steam is down because it's the only way they could put Half-Life 3 up.
hehehe
19:00
rofl
oooh
i think it might be back
@DavidPostill suddenly i think there's a hat for hitting a 403 or 404?
@allquixotic you could run a warrior instance
I'm not sure what projects are running atm tho
IT'S BACK!!!!!!!
hmmmm no hbat
hat
it was my furious F5ing that saved the day, clearly
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19:19
F10 is double effective.
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@Burgi winter sale on steam and humble store probably overloaded shit
> Oops! Something Bad Happened!
lol
19:38
did u try too :O
Nothing of note happened.
20:24
Hmmm.
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Q: how to check each subdirectory has a unique name in a directory

neouyghurI have a folder where subdirectories and files exist. I want to ensure no two directories have same name. How can do this?

20:37
One thing the DNG converter does that I'm not particularly fond of is the fact that it appends _1 to filenames when they already exist. Given the number of files I'm dealing with, this is a huge pain. To work around this, I've decided to set it to output to another drive so that I can just overwrite data when moving files back.
If only this was a configurable option...
@bwDraco A script would easily sort that out ...
I know this is an option, but it would still require more manual intervention.
Adobe DNG Converter is multithreaded, so that i7 is definitely helping.
21:04
Another secret hat :)
(1) Yes, always "consider" it; whether to actually do it or not is up to you.
(2) You can get a pretty decent dedi at OVH within the $50-ish/month price range - not bad.
(3) I use it for Cavil, for hosting a website for someone else, for general file storage, as a proxy/VPN behind restrictive networks, for getting access to a Windows box (VM) from my phone, for hosting games (on and off, not 24/7/365), for my custom Cards Against Humanity fork, for music streaming to friends once or twice a month, and for development and learning.
oh I also use it as a bouncer for IRC (Quassel)
> for development and learning
Can I play with ZFS with another Linode instance?
It does need a lot of machine resources, though...
(will probably need an 8 GB instance to run it reasonably well, an extra $40 a month)
@bwDraco you can play with ZFS using a tiny instance; you don't need any special hardware to play with ZFS unless you want multiple storage devices, but even then you can do a "filesystem in a file"
Linode is a huge ripoff btw
How?
most VPS / VM services are a gigantic ripoff
the amount of hardware you get for what you're paying is about 10% of what you could get at OVH or Hetzner
even AWS is better, though not by too much, as it's still a VPS
VPSes are basically an absolute crapshoot unless (a) you're too lazy to manage containers / VMs on your own hardware, or (b) your needs are so ridiculously modest that you can get by on a cheap $10/month plan; you can't buy a dedi that cheap
if your budget is $50/month or higher I can't ever recommend getting a VPS unless you prefer to sacrifice WAY worse hardware resources for potentially less administrative overhead (and less likely to do something like brick networking requiring you to use IPMI to go fix it)
the benefit really isn't that much these days with LXD and KVM (my recommended containers and VM solutions, respectively) being so good
21:13
I'm just not familiar with these technologies and doing this will cost me lots of time and money, money I don't presently have.
I'll look into it, but that will ultimately depend on how much money is available to me.
Migration will take a very long time for me to do, to get the configuration right, to ensure that everything works as before.
OVH looks to currently have stock of some low-end SoYouStart boxen around $42 - $49/month
Anything near NYC? Some of my applications are latency-sensitive.
the closest is Beauharnois, Canada, which is in west-southwestern Montreal... you can get there by car in 6 hours from Louis Rossmann's repair shop in downtown NYC, according to Google Maps
21:16
I'm looking at that right now...
that's the closest OVH has right now. they're opening a DC in Ashburn, VA soon
it's a 1 hour 20 minute plane flight from the NYC area to the Beauharnois area
definitely in the same geographic region
Pings are about 45 ms.
C:\Users\Brian>ping -t bhs.proof.ovh.net

Pinging bhs.proof.ovh.net [2607:5300:60:44a5::1] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 2607:5300:60:44a5::1: time=43ms
Reply from 2607:5300:60:44a5::1: time=44ms
Reply from 2607:5300:60:44a5::1: time=44ms
Reply from 2607:5300:60:44a5::1: time=42ms
Reply from 2607:5300:60:44a5::1: time=48ms
Reply from 2607:5300:60:44a5::1: time=38ms
Reply from 2607:5300:60:44a5::1: time=46ms
Reply from 2607:5300:60:44a5::1: time=47ms
Reply from 2607:5300:60:44a5::1: time=44ms
That's kinda okay, but this is what I'm getting right now:
C:\Users\Brian>ping -t www.fierydragonlord.com

Pinging www.fierydragonlord.com [2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:609a] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:609a: time=26ms
Reply from 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:609a: time=27ms
Reply from 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:609a: time=20ms
Reply from 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:609a: time=16ms
Reply from 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:609a: time=24ms
Reply from 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:609a: time=20ms
Reply from 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe69:609a: time=20ms
Another secret hat. 2 in 20 minutes ...
And I've no idea why for the second one "Trendsetter"
I haven't seen a huge need for more compute power right now, so I'll stick with Linode, but will definitely consider dedicated servers for future needs.
I'm not in the mood for server migration.
Experience with administering a server on bare metal and virtualization technologies would be great for a future job, though.
Looks very attractive at $56 a month, but not sure about whether I will be able to operate the server properly...
Three 120GB SSDs; set up RAID 5?
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21:35
Hello cat people.
...not sure if that would be bootable. I might have to set aside a bit of non-RAID space for essential boot data.
...never mind. Grub2 supports MD RAID and can boot directly from an MD RAID 5 volume.
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Q: Does Grub2 support putting /boot on a RAID5 partition?

David CaryIt looks like currently most OS installers insist on putting /boot on a non-RAID partition (or the kind of RAID1 partition that "looks like" a non-RAID partition), even the installers that support RAID5 and GRUB2. I'm guessing this limitation is a historical relic leftover from Grub1. My underst...

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@allquixotic or you want something dependable with managed hardware on the cheap
@bwDraco or use ZFS with RaidZ, which is far more reliable than md-raid5
That's probably going to be a huge learning curve, with no applications in mind for the server right now.
Perhaps we'll just treat this as a toy project? My main Web server is likely to stay on Linode ($10/month), but my cloud desktop is likely to go to the dedicated server once properly set up.
$56/month, or even $40/month, is a lot to pay for a toy.
Then again, it's much more than a toy; I've used the experimental cloud desktop for things like (semi-)secure remote printing and productivity in the past.
21:51
in The Bridge, 3 mins ago, by bwDraco
PSA: Please do not use flags for non-offensive content simply because you disagree with it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and flags are only for genuinely spammy or offensive content. The misuse of flags is disruptive to high-reputation users on all of the chatrooms on this server.
*le sigh*
ah the bridge
the land of thje 12 yr olds
22:24
@allquixotic: Perhaps I should play with ZFS locally in a Hyper-V VM?
It's not as good as bare metal, but at least I have a way to learn the ropes...
I've avoud ZFS till now because I do not know how it works either
I'll be very happy to test it some day, locally
So playing with it on a VM sounds like a good idea
Or on old spare hardware
Some people I know had dozens of computers at home
I don't have the space furniture to set up my old eMachines desktop right now.
I have an extra 250 GB SATA hard drive lying around I could use...
I can give the VM up to 16 GB of memory although that might starve the host machine a bit (there's 24 GB on this laptop).
I might create a bunch of different virtual disks, with ZIL and L2ARC as one virtual disk on the system's main SSD and the main zpool as two virtual disks on the hard drive.
Any printable PDF documents on how to get started with ZFS?
22:35
I'm looking through them right now...
oh,none at I know. Probably plenty around, but I have not bookmarked them yet.
docs.oracle.com/cd/E26505_01/pdf/E37384.pdf (1.7MB PDF) – 330 pages. :\
@allquixotic, what's your host OS? Is it Ubuntu Server?
...yikes. ZIL (or more properly, SLOG) is extremely write-heavy and requires an enterprise-class SSD (eMLC, power loss protection).
I doubt a test environment is going to give this 850 PRO any trouble, though...
So, what OS to deploy?
I'm in the process of preparing a new VM right now.
My preferred distribution (openSUSE) has no officially-supported ZFS packages.
23:02
samsung.com/us/business/computing/solid-state-drives/MZ-7KM240E – Samsung SSD SM863, 240GB for $170, 3.5 DWPD endurance (1540 TBW).
23:20
@bwDraco Ubuntu Server 16.04.x (latest minor)
23:34
Another OS to learn :(
Then again, skills are skills for the resume.
Well, it should be clear that I do not need new hardware to learn most new technologies.
23:52
Re Enterprise class. Meh. Nope.
Maybe if you ran enterprise level stuff on the ZFS system, but merely for testing? Any consumer SSD will do.
Ok, maybe not any. There are some truly broken SSDs out there. But most are either first generation SSDs or TLC.
And sane SSD (enterprise or simply std consumer) has plenty lifetime in it.
You might need to replace them in 5 to 15 years.
But by that time most are obsolete anyway.
As to power loss protection: If you want to be safe: aye.
For testing, meh, just do not thow the power switch and expect things to be safe
And before it is asked, no ECC needed either (though SLC, ECC and prosumer stuff would be nice to play with. It is just not needed)
The only thing you want for ZFS is memory. ANd more memory. And not run FreeBSD with root on FFS and the rest on ZFS.
And no HW RAID
and not turn on de-duplication
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