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Journeyman Geek

03:00

Don't ever threaten.

Michael Frank

That was the balloon knot comment, wasn't it?

bwDraco

The wording wasn't meant as a threat, but a warning.

Journeyman Geek

warning/threats/same thing.

Bob

@MichaelFrank For some reason I associate "sir" with InE :\

bwDraco

So, how to build mod soft skills?

Journeyman Geek

03:01

If I'm telling someone off, I'll tell them what, and why.

they're soft skills.

Michael Frank

@Bob InE?

Bob

@MichaelFrank Indian English. I dunno if there's a proper abbrev. for it

AmE, BrE, AuE, CaE...

Journeyman Geek

I have no clue how to build them. I donno, go babysit a room of kindergardeners for a week.

bwDraco

@Bob en_IN

Journeyman Geek

indlish.

Bob

03:01

@bwDraco That's an entirely different type of abbrev.

en_AU is to en_IN as AuE is to ..?

Journeyman Geek

tho I suppose its hinglish, banglish and such

Bob

I pretty much just invented InE to fit the pattern :P

Journeyman Geek

"I would have you know, sir, that you are a knave and a rapscallion, and I demand satisfaction."

That's not very indian ;p

But that's probably the thing

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That sounds more Monty Python.

I suppose it's more the all caps SIR

Michael Frank

"Please sir, the wirus is infecting all your system as we speak this very moment."

bwDraco

03:03

I seriously need to read more fiction.

Journeyman Geek

Indian english got dragged right from the victorian era to the modern era.

Bob

@MichaelFrank Are you Windows Company?

bwDraco

lol

Michael Frank

My company does have many windows.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It seems to have tripped and blacked out for a few decades along the way.

Michael Frank

03:04

Infact, from the outside our building looks like mostly windows.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob consider this

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek What I was trying to do was avoid drama in the first place.

Journeyman Geek

You have a core of highly educated people, speaking perfect victorian english. And then things got wierd. With less clever people

Michael Frank

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco the secret to avoiding drama is to do as little as possible. And when you do, maximise the impact.

Michael Frank

03:05

See? Mostly Windows.

bwDraco

It was oblique to me and didn't seem to be directly offensive.

Bob

@MichaelFrank annnnnnd I can probably find where you work

Journeyman Geek

Or as I do "Dude, not coooool"

bwDraco

The sad part about learning soft skills is that they need to be practiced live, not merely learned in a lecture or a chat session.

Michael Frank

@Bob Yea, probably. But which floor. ;)

Journeyman Geek

03:06

@bwDraco I learnt chatroom chat skills in chatrooms ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That's an absolutely insane thing to do

bwDraco

So, what's the road forward for me?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob some people do saner things. Like drugs and alcohol. I did IRC

bwDraco

What do I need to work on next?

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco proper self depreciating humour.

bwDraco

03:08

How is this relevant?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek s/depreciating/deprecating/

Journeyman Geek

@Bob my jokes lose value over time. Its basic economics.

@bwDraco Stuff like that is a very good way to understand context and to defuse issues.

Bob

@bwDraco To an extent? The ability to ignore people calling you names.

And poking fun at yourself tends to disarm others.

bwDraco

So is a lack of a sense of humor a disqualification?

Bob

The idea being to be on the same level as others, not some high and mighty god they must bow to.

That tends to get people to listen. 'course, depends on the person...

bwDraco

03:10

I really want to just focus on doing what's right, using the moderation tools properly, etc.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco Its something I use a ton of as a mod. Its a good way to verbally disarm someone and to defuse a situation

bwDraco

...okay, there was an incident a while back precisely for this reason:

Sep 21 at 22:58, by bwDraco

No, seriously. Clear the star on that message.

Journeyman Geek

Also, understanding context.

Michael Frank

@bwDraco Maybe focusing on doing what's required of a good patron of chat, without the ability to use mod tools is the place to start.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

bwDraco

03:12

So, can I still move up without a sense of humor?

Journeyman Geek

If I need to use any of my modly powers, outside maybe a certain level of moral authority, things have basically gone down the drain.

bwDraco

Alternatives? I just want to do what's right for the community.

Bob

@bwDraco What's right for the community is probably just participating, chatting.

bwDraco

I'm not sure how relevant that incident is now, given that it happened three months ago...

Journeyman Geek

Ok, sure, I can redact your passwords, but if I'm kicking anyone but our favourite troll, it clearly means I've failed to actually defuse the situation

and I don't need my mod hat to do that.

Bob

03:14

Yea, sure, I'm a room owner. I've done room-ownery things maybe once a month, and that's only to move the odd message.

bwDraco

I've pretty much gotten my temper under control, but have I hit a dead end?

Bob

If your goal is to gain access to the ability to <X>, why do you want said ability?

Journeyman Geek

depends on what you consider a dead end.

Bob

How is <X> helpful?

bwDraco

I'm not the kind of person who likes jokes. I've long had a history of being very serious.

Journeyman Geek

03:15

Rather than aspiring to a title, which I'd add is mostly meaningless, just do what you feel needs doing

bwDraco

That points to... perfectionism.

Journeyman Geek

I quite literally stood for SU mod cause 1) I could clear spam faster 2) @HackToHell kept bothering the mods

@bwDraco I'm not perfect

Bob

@JourneymanGeek And because everyone kept telling you to :P

Michael Frank

@bwDraco It all loops back to doing what is required of your station.

bwDraco

I guess I need to remember that not perfect != bad.

Journeyman Geek

03:17

@Bob Yup

bwDraco

My posts tend to be extensively edited for spelling and grammar. Do I need to stop this practice?

Journeyman Geek

essentially, you're ready to be a mod or a RO when someone else starts doing it

@bwDraco stop caring so much about perception

Michael Frank

@bwDraco That's different. I thought we were talking about chat?

Journeyman Geek

or what other people think

Bob

@JourneymanGeek And I'm probably being a hypocrite here :P

bwDraco

03:18

@MichaelFrank It's a related issue, and it ties into my being too serious.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob you're also the only room regular in your timezone ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Not that it means much, what with me being nocturnal and the room being dead during daytime.

bwDraco

I need to stop trying to be a paragon of technical accuracy in the content I write and just focus on the point.

Journeyman Geek

I mean, I quite literally set up 24 hour RO coverage cause of the troll issue we seem to have under control.

(so I could bloody well not wake up to find the room on fire!)

bwDraco

I have unblocked @Dog.

Journeyman Geek

03:19

And that's worked.

Bob

oh lord

Journeyman Geek

Mostly

Michael Frank

@bwDraco Quality answers are a good thing. Nailing someone to a cross cause they slipped up on a rule in chat once or twice is probably not so good.

bwDraco

@MichaelFrank I no longer allow this.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek you added David and Guy for that, yea? :P

bwDraco

03:20

Any ideas on how to practice skills for handling incidents?

Michael Frank

@bwDraco WWJMGD?

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Journeyman Geek

@Bob yup

bwDraco

Huh?

Journeyman Geek

i just need a ro in Africa and Antarctica .... ;p

Michael Frank

What Would Journeyman Geek Do? Play on words of the saying "What Would Jesus Do?"

Bob

03:22

gawd. superuser.com/questions/1148035/…

"How do I whitelist some certs?" "Turn off cert warnings completely!"

bwDraco

There has been a shift towards a lighter hand when moderating...

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank steal your socks?

well pillow

Michael Frank

@bwDraco I think you're still looking at this the wrong way. Non-mods don't moderate, they lead by example.

bwDraco

Well, that's the hard part. What should I do?

How do I set an example for others to follow?

Michael Frank

Work with the tools you have. If you see something wrong, call it out. If need be, flag it.

bwDraco

03:25

Oct 21 '15 at 10:18, by DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek: How do I demonstrate that I've learned to moderate calmly and fairly? I would hate to set a bad example for the community.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco to be frank, I've never cared about setting an example, or even being a moderator

bwDraco

I've already considered role-playing as a mod, without being one.

Journeyman Geek

I mean, I've been one

In lots of places

but I can't tell someone what the secret sauce is.

bwDraco

Chicken-and-egg problem.

The last two weeks saw an intensive focus on learning to stay calm and to calm down as quickly as possible should something happen. While self-control will always be my number-one priority, I will refocus my resources a bit.

Michael Frank

I'm heading off for the day, I might not be back on until after New Years. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays, and Happy New Years to you all. Have fun, and don't be too rowdy!

Bob

03:29

@bwDraco By chatting normally.

bwDraco

I'll work on just behaving my best and setting an example for the community, doing what's necessary when it's necessary.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Do as little as you can? :P

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco heh. You do realise I became an RO by accident right?

Bob

@MichaelFrank Happy Christmas/NY!

Journeyman Geek

@Bob Well, pretty much

and when I do, make sure its as effective as possible so I don't need to do it again

But its less 'as little' in terms of 'inaction' than lots of little nudges

One sees the bolder, but not the little grains of sand before it.

bwDraco

03:31

I'll work on making smart decisions when it matters. As I've said, my parents have stunted the growth of my soft skills and I am hard at work catching up.

Journeyman Geek

(also, confuse the hell out of people with homespun wisdom)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek you need to do those more :P

I can't get the tone right :(

Journeyman Geek

lol

bwDraco

The path is clear. I'll try to behave like a diamond mod would and set an example for the community to follow.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco the irony here is the most important step for being a mod for you is... not wanting to be a mod.

bwDraco

03:35

I just need to not take things so seriously, that's the problem.

I'm picky to a fault.

Journeyman Geek

(I mean, we've had this conversation quite a lot)

bwDraco

Learn to relax, not be so anxious about every little mistake.

I will bring this up with my counselors next week, but expect to be working on the issue as early as tomorrow.

Journeyman Geek

Also, consider this

Most of this is introspection.

bwDraco

Care to expand upon this?

Journeyman Geek

A good chunk of moderation is understanding the motivations of others and trying to nudge them.

You're going "me" and "I"

I go "We" and "you" when moderating. I need to understand who is trying to pick a fight with who, I need to work out how exactly to defuse it without anyone noticing

bwDraco

03:39

I will refocus efforts here. Thanks for the tip.

Bob

I would suggest spending, let's say, a couple months to half a year just chatting normally and not thinking of or taking any (chat) mod actions at all.

Journeyman Geek

Occationally before things even happen, even if I annoy a regular a little, to avoid a bigger issue in future.

bwDraco

@Bob I doubt it takes this long...

Bob

@bwDraco Why the rush?

bwDraco

Because I'm very far behind.

I'm 24 and I still behave like a teenager in many ways.

Journeyman Geek

03:40

"behind" what?

Bob

And how is trying to put yourself in the limelight by moderating others supposed to help? Why not integrate yourself further into the community by being a normal user for a bit?

bwDraco

I have already stepped back a bit.

I just want to know what's next.

Journeyman Geek

goodreads.com/quotes/…

I think CS Lewis is a pretty clever chap about this.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Speaking of quotes, goodreads.com/quotes/tag/living-in-the-present

bwDraco

I know I need to grow up. I've been in talks with my parents about this and have tried to push forward, but my mom is fearful of bad things happening :\

Bob

03:44

"grow up" is such a ... nebulous term

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Bob

Society treats 18 as this magical transition age

But, really, you just gain more experiences every year until you die.

Journeyman Geek

speaking of grown up...

I need to go clean part of my dad's toilet wall, then go take a shower ;p

Bob

o.O

bwDraco

I care a lot about behaving like an adult, being able to make intelligent decisions, but my parents have little to no confidence in my ability to do this. I'm caught in a situation where I cannot practice key soft skills on the field because my parents fear I will fail, potentially with dire consequences.

I've told my mom many times, "let me fail so I can learn", but she won't let me.

After all, risk cannot be eliminated, and some exposure to risk is necessary to learn key skills.

Oct 2 at 4:16, by bwDraco

I realize the world is full of hazards and dangers and that my parents want to protect me from the "dangerous" outside world, but the fact of the matter is that risk cannot be completely eliminated and that I do need to be exposed to some risk to properly mature.

Dog

03:47

Huh just got an international text message from Singapore.

bwDraco

lol

It's for this reason that my soft skills are so poorly developed.

Dog

Apparently i have $53 to spend in that boat roof hotel place

Bob

@Dog was it signed with a paw print?

bwDraco

AFK while I talk with mom on this.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob nothing more adult than housework ._.

(Dad used to clean his own toilet. He can't cause of the operation. And erm. he dosen't meet my standards so I'm basically disinfecting the toilet twice a week, and picking a section that's not to my standard and getting it there)

bwDraco

03:56

I brought up developing social skills, and my mother has suggested volunteering and community service. This sounds like a good idea and I will bring this up with my counselors.

(Besides, it looks good on my resume :) )

Bob

3

Q: Not able to access Internet after running sudo chown -R $USER$USER /usr/lib/

I wanted to update PyCharm, and when running Pycharm it was not possible since it said that I did not have enough permissions. So I run the following command: $ sudo chown -R $USER$USER /usr/lib/ I was able to update PyCharm successfully, but now my Internet connection is not working, and actu...

I love those questions

Jun 30 at 8:36, by Bob

Aug 27 '15 at 22:08, by Bob

"oh just chmod 777 it, it'll work!"

chmod/chown with -R needs a great big warning label on it

bwDraco

Given that I deeply care about the homeless, I might want to consider volunteering at a food pantry...

Sep 3 at 17:13, by bwDraco

It sucks for these people to get barely enough money to buy food.

Journeyman Geek

04:23

@Bob didn't @Dog? It's chmod

HackToHell

04:37

liliputing.com/2016/12/…

Bob

@HackToHell I need this.

HackToHell

It's the perfect laptop <3

Best part is I will be able to afford it when it comes out

bwDraco

05:05

I kinda want to suggest the HP OMEN laptops.

allquixotic

meh

except for the horrible input scheme, the razer blade pro is near perfect for me

bwDraco

GTX 1070 for $1600.

allquixotic

bad keyboard / trackpad positioning and keyboard layout

bwDraco

Then again, the new OMEN systems may be too large or heavy for some...

allquixotic

@bwDraco I'd probably settle for a cheaper 1070 system and keep my desktop... it's not a bad idea, really

bwDraco

05:08

My laptop alone weighs about 8 lb as equipped.

The OMEN 17 is about 7.3 lb.

Not the heaviest 17" laptop by a long shot (high-end gaming models routinely approach 10 lbs) but that's nontrivial.

At least HP's 230W AC adapter is a lightweight, slimline design.

techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/…

It's about the size and weight of a more ordinary, mainstream 17" laptop, if a bit thicker.

Limited upgradability is an issue; the only user-serviceable part is the RAM.

It looks like a case of a more modern, mainstream approach to the gaming laptop (sleeker design, tightly-packed parts, longer battery life, limited serviceability).

The battery is unusually large, at 95.8 Wh, so it seems to have better battery life than most gaming-class laptops when used for day-to-day productivity and web browsing.

4K display comes standard.

Journeyman Geek

05:28

4k on laptops... is a bit silly IMO

@allquixotic the trackpad off to the side?

Journeyman Geek

05:52

heh. I need to buy new dog collars. I was going to do it if it didn't rain. Its raining

Since the usual pet store dosen't seem to have padded ones.

and since we don't do harnesses, and there's occational tugging, I kinda insist on the padded ones ._.

and its raining ._. . It can wait ;p

@Bob questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3379

er

Bob

@JourneymanGeek o.O

Journeyman Geek

06:10

lol

theverge.com/2016/12/21/14039066/…

I'm curious.

bwDraco

3 hours ago, by bwDraco

Dec 15 at 0:06, by bwDraco

@wat Please, please. This is flaggable material.

...looking back, is "please cut it out, this can be seen as offensive" a better response?

I'm hoping to learn from my mistakes and have a clear sense of what (not) to do.

Instead of threatening action, I'm warning about the problem with the post content itself.

I'm trying to get a better idea of how best to respond here.

(no, Clippy, go away)

Journeyman Geek

06:30

>_>

@bwDraco its useful to understand the intent of the poster.

What's he aiming to do? Why has he posted it?

In a sense, its easier in a chatroom for me since I typically know most of the regulars.

bwDraco

I'll be doing intent checks in the future. I'm actually pretty good at sensing intent IRL; I just need to practice it online rather than threaten flags/mod action/etc.

Also, I am seriously considering volunteering work. I hate to say this, but there is no substitute for real-world experience. There are things you genuinely cannot practice on your own time.

Jun 7 at 14:43, by bwDraco

So the consensus is that while these skills are clearly improvable, I need to do something specific that demands these skills to improve them. It seems I can't just learn them on my own time.

About two weeks ago, I had started taking steps to improve self-control, including meditation and stopping myself more quickly in the event I lose control of myself. Thus far, these have worked as intended (much better than originally expected, in fact). The problem is that this is not enough.

Journeyman Geek

lifehacker.com/…

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Production firmware is starting to become available.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

bwDraco

Not every model, though. Also, my R7800 isn't affected in the first place.

Journeyman Geek

06:40

Pondering unpinning the star ;p

bwDraco

Yup.

I wanted to ask whether it was still necessary to keep it pinned.

Wait until the production firmware is out for all models, or unpin it now?

Journeyman Geek

(actually not sure if anyone here has a netgear. I'm asus and dlink for now, though I might be just building my own and adding some commercial grade APs next buildout I do)

@bwDraco tbh, I suspect knowing the crowd here, if anyone did have a netgear they'd know

Bob

06:59

oh god

one of these Sydney VPSes charges 25c/GB

@JourneymanGeek If I had a netgear device I'd just bin it

well, they're not as bad as netcomm at least

Journeyman Geek

@Bob dlink!

Bob

@JourneymanGeek better than netcomm

I've had two netcomm routers die

in the same room

Journeyman Geek

I'm not sure

Bob

maybe that room is haunted

Journeyman Geek

Dlink dosen't die

it just sucks

Bob

07:01

by the ghosts of dead netcomm routers

@JourneymanGeek it sucks, then it dies

like, two months of instability

one month of refusing to bridge WAN/LAN

dead

Journeyman Geek

Funny thing is the AC router's fine as an AP

Bob

@JourneymanGeek my asus ac router's been pretty solid

Journeyman Geek

All I did was turn off DHCP. And It can't be my backups and backup backups since they've been going through it

Bob

my tplink routers have all been incredibly solid

Journeyman Geek

@Bob my current main router's an asus

Bob

07:03

my billion modem/router has an uptime of >200 days

Journeyman Geek

also, damnit, I really miss windows 7's network map thing ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek eh, nmap

Journeyman Geek

Not the same

nmap tells you what there is. Mostly.

This tells you where things are.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek oh, the horribly incomplete map

which relies on other windows machines responding

specifically windows too, iirc

Journeyman Geek

My home network looks roughly like this

Actually no

It looks nothing like that

@Bob worked well enough for me that I just needed to do minor fixups

Pretty sure nmap dosen't see dumb switches.

Bob

07:17

@JourneymanGeek I think the windows one relies on a windows machine being at the other end of the switch

Journeyman Geek

ah

Yeah, there's that

I still liked it, and it was a strange thing to remove from 8 and 10 ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek firewalls blocked it iirc

and of course now you have more smartphones you'll never see on it

Journeyman Geek

I don't consider smartphones part of the main network

heck, I probably have more (potential) systems on the network

Bob

@JourneymanGeek phones, tablets, media players, NASes

Journeyman Geek

I have a HP stream, x220 (which I really wish my dad would switch to), a r60 (haiku box)....

Bob

07:21

lots more assorted networked junk now

Journeyman Geek

@Bob yup. roughly

Bob

and people would say it's broken if those didn't show

Journeyman Geek

and yes. 3 things transmitting.

Bob

then there's the whole IoT thing

that all makes it less useful

probably not useful enough to justify the security and privacy risks

Journeyman Geek

I'd like to be able to decide on that

and the underlying framework's still there

Bob

07:23

soooo... they removed it. simple.

Journeyman Geek

they just took out the viewer

Bob

@JourneymanGeek disabled by default, no?

Journeyman Geek

Not on 8

bwDraco

Good night, folks. I'm going to push hard towards improving soft skills over the coming weeks, without abandoning my core focus on self-control.

Journeyman Geek

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Q: How do I view the my network map in windows 8.1?

I've recently discovered an extremely useful feature called Link Layer Topology Discovery in Windows 7 - I click on "See Full Map" in the network and sharing center. And it outputs this lovely, very useful network diagram However, in windows 8 , See Full Map is missing. However, the underly...

networking windows-8

And you could run LLTD on linux

Journeyman Geek

07:36

hm

there's an lltd scanner for linux

Journeyman Geek

07:47

hm. It vaguely works

Bob

@JourneymanGeek disabled by default in win10

Journeyman Geek

hm

Seems to work for nyx

Bob

Also LLDP is the standard one, not MS LLTP

Journeyman Geek

So dosen't seem to be

LLTD

Bob

huh. I just checked and the responder is manual start only

Journeyman Geek

07:58

wierd

Bob

maybe upgraded systems are different

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