Root Access

bwDraco

00:10

Migrated to 64-bit Firefox Developer Edition. Removing the 32-bit version... done.

Nothing has broken, and the browser is noticeably faster :)

Memory usage has gone up a bit, though.

Bob

00:37

s/developer/alpha/

bwDraco

00:54

My copy has been remarkably stable. I've had the occasional crash, but it's not substantially worse than the stable version.

Nov 22 at 1:05, by bwDraco

The latest Firefox Developer Edition update is buggy as all heck. I just experienced two tab crashes in a row with my Best Buy profile page open.

Aside from this, I've not had systematic crashes of any sort.

Dog

!!caat

That Brazilian Guy

Why is it so difficult to find a decent WordPress gallery plugin?

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianGuy Because WordPress? ;p

That Brazilian Guy

@DavidPostill ヽ(ಠ_ಠ)ノ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ┌( ಠ_ಠ)┘

Journeyman Geek

:(

My smartwatch screen broke

That Brazilian Guy

01:00

My Moto G GSM radio broke. Again. For the unumpteenth time.

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianGuy lol

Journeyman Geek

emailed mobvoi about it

Basically the class extends like 1mm over the watch bezel

Interestingly

Its just glass

the digitiser works

Bob

@JourneymanGeek o.O how?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob was in the toilet. Heard a crack sound...

The digitiser isn't fused to the glass I think

and it works fine unless I try to swipe too close to that crack

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek And found a dog with an "I'm totally innocent" face?

Journeyman Geek

01:10

naw, I think it had a little pressure against the side of the toilet.

Watch was NEVER dropped or anything

emailed the maker to see about repairs

Bob

@JourneymanGeek maybe you were wearing it a bit too close to the ground?

Journeyman Geek

if its too costly, going to try locally

Bob

I don't think it was designed for paws...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob >_>

Bob

@JourneymanGeek could try some of that windscreen/glass repair stuff I suppose

Journeyman Geek

01:11

Maybe

Bob

you're going to have a hard time finding third-party glass replacements :\

Journeyman Geek

or just be without a smartwatch till I get a job

Bob

@JourneymanGeek well, it cost, what, $100?

Journeyman Geek

150usd

Bob

Oh. Bit more than I expected o.O

Journeyman Geek

01:12

Its actually a pretty good device

Bob

Still, it's in the cheap enough category that a proper repair/replacement could cost almost as much as the watch itself -_-

Journeyman Geek

yup

+ shipping presumably

bwDraco

I'm in the process of reporting a YouTube account whose videos are all spam.

YouTube's reporting interface has dramatically improved. It's now much easier to specify the offending behavior (specify comments, videos [including start time], etc.) as evidence.

I suppose this was for the YouTube Heroes program...

Bob

You're assuming a human actually reads reports on the other end.

Dog

!!caaaat

Someone killed the cat :-(

Journeyman Geek

01:19

!!Info

Cavil seems down

Ben N

Shall I activate the emergency PowerShell chatbot?

Dog

You have one?

Ben N

It's not very good, but it works

Also it has basically no commands, though they're super easy for me to add

bwDraco

Report submitted, user blocked.

allquixotic

@BenN Cavil is down because I ran lxc stop cavil as root on the physical box

@Bob migration in progress: dd bs=4K if=/dev/sdc | ssh root@newbox dd bs=4K of=/dev/sda

> 66468253+0 records in
66468252+0 records out
272253960192 bytes (272 GB, 254 GiB) copied, 2483.04 s, 110 MB/s

and counting (I have it sending USR1 every 20s to check status)

254 out of approximately 2000 GiB, so around 13% complete

bwDraco

01:32

@JourneymanGeek @allq is migrating to a new server. Hang on...

Journeyman Geek

ah

@bwDraco I'm not as affected as @Dog. I rarely use cavil outside thatword and what ;p

bwDraco

Start here:

12 hours ago, by allquixotic

@Bob I just saved a bunch of money on my ~~car insurance~~ dedicated server ~~by switching to Geico~~ downgrading from the MG-128 to the SP-128-S (Ivy Bridge w/ 128 GB DDR3 and 2 x 2 TB HDD)

allquixotic

this migration is super easy because I can do a block level transfer of one of the HDDs over ssh, a block level transfer of the flash drive over ssh, then copy one disk to the other, then reboot, possibly tweak the BIOS and off I go

I should throw in a complementary apt update && apt full-upgrade on each container and the host once it's done

Weber Cooks - Spaghetti (w/ Chef Steven Reed) [Official Video]

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obnoxiously loud music saying "QUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIXY!"

Bob

@allquixotic not doing a zfs send/recv?

allquixotic

Hello Root Accessors, this is RA Sysadmins, and today we're copying .... partitions.

Bob

01:37

@allquixotic that's the guy far too invested in a microwaveable meal, right?

allquixotic

We'll start by running dd, and... we'll... pipe it to stdout... we just pipe it to ssh... put it in... add our dd... and this will run for... 10 hours.

Bob

@allquixotic I'm actually toying with switching from my 3x300GB to 2x2TB... lemme know how perf is on pure HDDs?

Shog9

@allquixotic to be clear, a BIG part of that was their unwillingness to deal with flags.

Which were all but exclusively generated by other users of the network

For all the complaints about flagging over the years, I've yet to find clear evidence that they cause problems beyond "we want to have standards in this room that are abhorrent to a majority of folks in other rooms"

Bob

@Shog9 Speaking of flags. Did anything concrete come out of those discussions about half a year ago?

I haven't really kept up with meta :\

allquixotic

@Shog9 Eh, we don't seem to have that problem (or any problem, really) around here lately. It's been smooth sailing for a while. Even the flags have been rare.

Shog9

01:39

@Bob yes

probably?

There were a lot of discussions 6 mos ago, so... be more specific?

Bob

uhh.

allquixotic

I actually don't mind flagging

Shog9

@allquixotic y'all got Journeyman; that's practically cheating

allquixotic

It's informative; it tells us when we've crossed the line (assuming the flags are legit)

Bob

The whole "toward a philosophy of chat" thing, I suppose?

Oh wait that was a full year.

Shog9

01:40

@Bob oh

yes, then, lots

1) Mods can now see a record of recent flags, even when handled

Bob

@allquixotic I still don't particularly like how flags have an automatic suspension *shrug*

Shog9

2) kick-mute

Bob

When a lot of the time, at least in this room, those would be better handled by deletion + a light poke.

allquixotic

This room generally has a culture of being mostly appropriate, because some of our users use RA from work with networks that have "no expectation of privacy", hence, they don't want to get fired for improprietous surfing or whatever

Shog9

(i forget when that was actually implemented, but it's available on mobile now which makes it really convenient)

Bob

01:41

@Shog9 Thought we had kick-mute long before that discussion?

Oh yea, I did see kick come up on mobile recently.

Shog9

3) room owners can put the room in "timeout" with a custom message

bwDraco

Yeah, room owners always seem to forget the kick-mute option.

Shog9

4) there's some sort of pop-up for folks new to chat that encourages them to, y'know, try to understand it

going from memory here, but at very least those four things

Bob

@allquixotic Yea... as a rule, we keep oneboxes appropriate, links mostly appropriate (NSFW-tagging for language or game content maybe, but no nudity etc)... I just don't really personally agree with some of the textual language issues, but I dunno if there's concrete rules about that yet.

Shog9

also I've badgered a ton of people about using kick-mute

which isn't really very concrete, but makes me happy

Bob

01:43

@bwDraco Are you trying to imply that I should be kicking more people?

DavidPostill

lol. I just noticed you can't kick-mute mods :)

bwDraco

@Bob Not necessarily, but it's an option that needs to be considered when bad things happen.

allquixotic

I've never actually used kickmute because there's usually a mod to take care of it

Shog9

like I said... Practically cheating

Bob

@allquixotic I've never used kickmute before because it's usually just message deletion I want.

So... move to trash room.

bwDraco

01:44

Speaking of which... I might be ready to take up the mantle of room owner. Your thoughts?

allquixotic

@Bob it depends on your workload obviously, but I don't anticipate it having any issues once your in-RAM ARC gets warm

I'll miss ZIL, but that only really mattered when I was running LiF and ARK at the same time

Shog9

@Bob there's also this, which was aimed heavily at room owners but is pretty good reading for just about any heavy chat user:

103

Q: A guide to moderating chat

Chat is an offshoot of the main site, and using it is a privilege users earn early on during their time here. Chat is our place: for real-time collaboration to meet fellow members of the community for less structured, casual (but still roughly on-topic) conversation Our chat syst...

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allquixotic

(I also had some weird background process that was annoyingly hard to isolate on Ubuntu 14.04 that was hogging a CPU core, gumming up the works)

bwDraco

With 128 GB of RAM, you should not need to worry about FS performance.

Bob

@Shog9 Oh yea, I remember reading that.

Shog9

01:46

I'm going to say "heavy" a few more times, as penance for using it twice in the previous comment. Heavy. Heavily. Heavy.

Collective Soul - Heavy With Lyrics

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Bob

I remember trash rooms used to be deleted by mods :\

And a bunch of requests for proper deletion powers for ROs, but... eh.

Not much happened there.

allquixotic

I need to learn how to bin messages, never actually done it

Bob

@allquixotic @Shog9 has pictures :P

allquixotic

I see it in the answer now

Bob

Just move to the (single?) aptly-named trash room.

Shog9

01:48

that's one of those things I'd have no objections to seeing implemented, save that binning works so well in practice

Bob

But the person who wrote the message gets notified that it's moved to trash.

And of course the message still exists and is publicly visible in trash.

Shog9

which ain't necessarily a bad thing, especially if you also kick them

bwDraco

Perhaps we can have an automated user like Community remove old messages in Trash?

Bob

@Shog9 Yea, it's just a bit unpolished. IIRC it's just an invitation to join the room.

No real reasoning.

allquixotic

@Shog9 There's about a 6-hour window (conveniently, during the noon to early evening hours US Eastern time) where we don't have hardly any diamond mod coverage in RA; during that time we don't really have any (good) options for expedient deletion of messages short of flagging, and we prefer to avoid flagging if it was accidental or so

Bob

01:49

@bwDraco Why would that be beneficial?

Shog9

"Please join the Trash room, since that's where your messages all belong anyway"

Bob

Chat transcript is kept for good reason.

allquixotic

like, once in a while I'll accidentally paste a password, an SSH private key, or an email address I didn't intend to the chat, or someone else will, and we'll want it to get nixed before it winds up indexed by GOOG et al

bwDraco

@allquixotic Yup.

Bob

@allquixotic Lots of times if it's "tone it down a bit" I don't really want to do something that could actually kick a user.

Especially if it's just say a swear someone's not happy about but they're otherwise engaged in meaningful conversation.

Shog9

01:50

@allquixotic email addresses can probably wait. If you post a password, please do change it ASAP

allquixotic

yeah, clearly accidental passwords / keys get changed

bwDraco

So, am I ready to become a room owner, or what?

Shog9

also, don't forget about mod flags (the ones where you have to type something that appear ONLY to mods and to ALL mods on every site) - you can totally request that a message not only be deleted but redacted.

allquixotic

the mod flags don't show up to high-rep / room owners? TIL

Shog9

no

Bob

01:52

@bwDraco Speaking completely honestly? I would say I'm a bit concerned about how quickly you sometimes jump to what I would consider extreme punishments.

bwDraco

@Shog9 Huh. Never knew that. I've used this feature to remove old messages that clutter up chat, but I didn't know mods could redact content.

allquixotic

that's good; the reluctance to flag is really related to the meteor storm of high-rep / room owners (who aren't mods) coming in and sometimes making things more complicated, or escalating the conversation inadvertently

Shog9

> Dearest random mods: I accidentally posted my password, my home address, the name of my dead mother, and a list of my greatest fears. Please delete and also wipe from the history any record of these things, before I am attacked by a Scream fan.

bwDraco

@Bob I've worked on addressing this...

Bob

@allquixotic Yep, I've used them to request edit/deletion a couple times.

Though I usually just ping geek if it's not urgent :P

allquixotic

01:53

Good to know

how many years have I been RO without having any idea what I'm doing? lol

Shog9

yeah... that's why we wrote that guide

Bob

@allquixotic Two, I think?

allquixotic

Shog9

none of us knew what the hell we were doing either

bwDraco

With great power comes great responsibility. I'm confident I can handle things and not abuse the privileges, but I'm also a bit unsure of myself. My temper has definitely improved over the past several weeks and months but there's still work to be done.

Shog9

01:55

"Hey, you seem to be savvy on the Q&A sites! Wanna be a CM? Oh... and there's this other system that you're now responsible for too, and no one knows how it works or even quite why it exists"

Burgi

the things you learn...

allquixotic

Well, whether we have or don't have any strong philosophical underpinnings for chat, it sure as heck is useful!

Bob

@Shog9 Ha, sounds about right.

Better when no one is sure why it works.

allquixotic

from working on code for speech recognition plugins for Teamspeak, to sharing dedicated server deals, to shopping for headphones/IEMs, to playing games together, we've made a nice little cozy community here

bwDraco

So @Bob, what are the next steps for me to take?

Burgi

01:56

so i took my minion for a beer after work and found out that to cope with the stress of work he has beentaking drugs the minute he got home

Bob

@allquixotic Speaking of IEMs! New Xiaomi earphones out, apparently triple-driver (cc @JourneymanGeek)

allquixotic

and the boat is rocked..... rarely

DavidPostill

@Burgi Oh dear.

allquixotic

@Bob interesting

Burgi

@DavidPostill yeah

Shog9

01:57

@Burgi man after my own heart

Burgi

i just have a cup of tea and murder aliens

Michael Frank

@Burgi Wow... That's worrying. :(

Shog9

or possibly not-man. Don't wanna imply sexism here.

bwDraco

@Bob I'm still on Piston IIIs with Comply earphone tips. Haven't felt the need to upgrade.

Shog9

from my Esteemed Coworker, Pops:

allquixotic

01:58

we are fans of Pops here

Burgi

@Shog9 he might be an actual vampire

DavidPostill

Burgi

lol

Rahul2001

Mornin'

Burgi

@DavidPostill he is going to amsterdam for new year

bwDraco

02:00

Dec 10 at 4:22, by Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to ~~stupidity~~ mild cluelessness?

Bob

@bwDraco I didn't like the 3s much. 4 was better. This is 5.

I liked 2 and 4.

Rahul2001

My teachers told me to illegally download a film to show to the entire school

allquixotic

@Rahul2001 don't do it obviously

bwDraco

This was probably too recent an incident, however minor it was.

Rahul2001

Although I suppose it falls under "educational use"

Bob

02:00

@Shog9 ...I'm on tea :(

Shog9

yeah, me too

and sometimes mushrooms

Rahul2001

tea is nice :)

allquixotic

I only drink tea when other people mention tea for some reason

Bob

Or is that I'm on tea :)

Shog9

tea's a real harsh mistress at times

Bob

02:00

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=tea&user=35822&room=118

Burgi

@Shog9 as a brit i started on tea.... :S

Bob

@allquixotic I should mention tea more.

Speaking of which, brb, need more tea

Shog9

them brits are hardcore

allquixotic

I roleplay with a Jedi Master in SWTOR who insists on tea any time we talk, and I'm like, GAH now I have to make a cup

DavidPostill

@Burgi Yeah, you said. He needs to be careful. There are some dangerous areas close to the red light area where the real druggies hang out ...

Rahul2001

02:01

Portable Apps FTW!

allquixotic

1

Q: ZFS vs raw disk for storing virtual machines: trade-offs

Background: I am planning to set up a KVM to run Windows and Linux on the same workstation, and am undecided about how to set up the disks. It is my understanding that raw disks typically improve performance. I will be doing lots of I/O intensive work, so performance is critical. However, the se...

virtual-machine kvm-switch zfs io hardware-virtualization

hey, random question with ... very weird tags but interesting to me

kvm-switch ?!

LOL

I think he's referring to Kernel Virtual Machine

Shog9

I've run Windows & Linux on the same box before, but *simultaneously?

That's a good trick

Bob

@Shog9 <3 VMs

bwDraco

@Shog9 Virtualization is the easiest way to do it.

allquixotic

we have a tag problem, apparently... user thinks "hmm, I want a tag for kvm... OH! Kernel Virtual Machine!"

Bob

02:03

@Shog9 Actually, technically, Windows 10 runs Ubuntu :D

allquixotic

Bzzzzzzt

Shog9

@Bob eh

Bob

@allquixotic linux-kvm?

bwDraco

Edited.

allquixotic

@Bob yeah :D

Bob

02:04

cool it actually exists

Burgi

@DavidPostill yeah i warned him the best i can without being an arse

Shog9

If all input is being filtered through one OS's drivers, can you really say they're on even footing?

bwDraco

@Shog9 IOMMU?

Burgi

i tell you what after today's shennanigans in work i might take up taking drugs while in work

Shog9

Apropos of nothing, but since I'm never in here... Y'all still hate Hackintosh questions?

bwDraco

02:04

Our position on Hackintosh has not changed. We still close them as off-topic.

DavidPostill

@Shog9 Yes

Shog9

Damn

Bob

@Shog9 Personally? Meh. By decree of The Overlord? Apparently, yes.

allquixotic

On Mac OS X, the Mach microkernel technically has the capability to run multiple separate operating system kernels on top of itself; this would be similar in nature to Xen or Hyper-V (Type 1 hypervisor), but I don't know if anyone actually does it that way

Bob

(IIRC Jeff thought it skirted too close to a major company's EULA. It's... a bit of a special case.)

DavidPostill

02:06

"I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because the use of OSX on non-Apple hardware is a legal grey area and as a result "Hackintosh" questions have been deemed off-topic"

allquixotic

@Shog9 I think if the question can be asked in a way that is orthogonal to whether or not the hardware in question is Apple-owned, meaning, if it's a valid question/problem on an Apple computer as well, it's fine

bwDraco

s/major company/Apple/

Shog9

Still the only way I'd ever consider tasting that forbidden fruit, so... Gonna keep putting it off.

allquixotic

if the question only makes sense in the context of running macOS in violation of the EULA.....

bwDraco

> Questions about running OS X on non-Apple hardware ("Hackintosh") are off-topic because of the questionable legality of doing so. See Are "Hackintosh" questions allowed?

I should update that...

> Questions about running macOS on non-Apple hardware ("Hackintosh") are off-topic because of the questionable legality of doing so. See Are "Hackintosh" questions allowed?

allquixotic

02:08

might be a good idea to use a slash: "OS X / macOS" for the near-term, because many people still call it "OS X" or "OSX"

DavidPostill

@bwDraco Good point. Updated in my cannery.

bwDraco

Working on it...

Bob

@allquixotic ehh... macOS is obvious enough I think

@bwDraco yes, I mentioned major company for a reason :P

I still think the original decision was more out of feat of legal issues from Apple directly

since we do allow DRM-bypass questions by order of the same Overlord

bwDraco

> Questions about running macOS (OS X) on non-Apple hardware ("Hackintosh") are off-topic as doing so may not be legal under the macOS EULA. See Are "Hackintosh" questions allowed?

Bob

Hm, actually. The Hackintosh decision didn't have Jeff weighing in. Whoops.

@Shog9 Hey, whoever mentioned even footing? Just running at the same time, no? :P

Technically, if you run on KVM then you're just running Windows on top of Linux drivers anyway.

bwDraco

02:12

A diamond mod has endorsed the top answer.

Bob

Hyper-V is the same in the other direction.

DavidPostill

in Ye Olde Hat Shoppe, 1 min ago, by David

bwDraco

@Bob Hyper-V is still enabled on my machine, I just haven't created new VMs in a long time.

docs.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/hyper-v-on-windows

Bob

@bwDraco ...last I checked, decisions like this are made by SE corp if necessary or otherwise by votes. Community mods don't/shouldn't really make decisions though of course their opinion matters more in the discussion.

Burgi

@DavidPostill brilliant

Bob

02:14

Bit of a blurred line though *shrug*

DavidPostill

On that note, I'm off to bed. Night all ...

Burgi

nn

Bob

@allquixotic Wasn't a type1 distinguished by a dedicated kernel?

Though I suppose if it's part of the kernel that counts too

bwDraco

Type 1 means the hypervisor itself is dedicated software that runs directly on the hardware, with everything else on top.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 yup. It is against the TOS an all :p

bwDraco

02:19

Type 2 means the hypervisor is run on top of another operating system.

Shog9

@Bob no one uses hardware KVM anymore?

bwDraco

7

A: Hyper-V appears to runs on top of the host OS, so why is it considered a native (type-1) hypervisor?

Hyper-V is installed beneath the operating system. The host OS itself becomes a virtual machine. This change is transparent to users and applications because the host can continue to access the hardware directly. Hyper-V consists of a hypervisor layer upon which there is a parent partition and ...

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 different KVM :p

Shog9

Journeyman Geek

Kernel Mode Virtualization. I don't think you guys use it.

allquixotic

02:22

@Shog9 heh, I remember when KVM was little more than a light fork of qemu, which you may remember as a great software virtualization package. Now it's fast enough to rival VMware and other such "big names" in virtualization

it's Red Hat's baby, for the most part

Bob

@bwDraco The question is what counts as "another operating system"

Burgi

i remember when kvm meant a little box on your desk that let you use 2 PCs with a single keyboard, mouse and screen....

Bob

IIRC Hyper-V itself is part of the Windows kernel, not strictly "below" it

Burgi

but i am old fashioned

Shog9

@Bob FWIW...

15

A: Close questions based on moral objections?

Don't censor. It's not your job to enforce every rule that every tin-pot dictator, school administrator, or corrupt politician sets up. If you are actually personally horrified that students might access a website that doesn't meet the standards of their school, don't answer the question, but don...

allquixotic

02:24

@Burgi kvm-switch vs. linux-kvm

Burgi

ah

allquixotic

you know what would be awesome? if [tag:foo] tags in chat actually hover-over displayed the tag excerpt or w/e

Shog9

Obviously, don't encourage stuff that's blatantly illegal and don't encourage stuff that y'all don't want - but don't think we're here to tell you what you can't talk about because Some Big Company might get pissy about it either.

Bob

@Shog9 I think the question there is how illegal an EULA violation is

allquixotic

@Shog9 I'm trying to think of what questions could be asked about hackintoshes that would be not blatantly illegal, while still being specific to hackintoshes and not just a general mac question

Bob

02:27

Though of course it's not possible to get a macOS image without the hardware

I do find it interesting that we had to deal with them as a special case.

Burgi

how do places like browserstack provide OSX VMs?

allquixotic

"How do I virtualize macOS on VMware Workstation 12.0 on my Windows PC?" -> any answer involves explaining how to violate the EULA, which could fall under "blatantly illegal" (copyright violation / breaking a contract)

Shog9

@allquixotic "Where can I download a OS/X er I mean macOS image for the PC I'm building oh and I do not and have never owned a Mac just so you know?" -> Blatantly Illegal

Bob

I'm sure we discuss lots of EULA-violating behaviour in answers... just no one ever notices or points it out.

Except when people get scared cause it's a big company.

Michael Frank

@Burgi Don't they have racks of Macbooks?

allquixotic

02:28

"How do I get an Nvidia GTX 1080 running with 3d graphics on macOS 10.12?" -> could be fine; someone could stick a 1080 in a Mac Pro

Shog9

Every time Apple rolls out a new beta, we get folks on SO closing down questions because answers might violate an NDA. That's... crazy. They'll be asked again in a couple months, and you have no way of knowing what agreements a given answerer has or hasn't signed.

bwDraco

I'm going to say this is a matter of community consensus. Consider that Ask Different accepts jailbreaking questions...

Shog9

Same with EULA, in my opinion.

bwDraco

(granted, there is a DMCA exemption that allows jailbreaking here in the US, which does not apply to the Hackintosh issue.)

Michael Frank

@Burgi Here's a rack of 96 MBPs: hackaday.com/2015/07/28/…

Shog9

02:29

Someone doing something interesting, and suddenly everyone's a contract attorney...

bwDraco

apple.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic

Ask Different does not accept Hackintosh questions.

> Installing or using Apple operating systems on non-Apple hardware (and most other explicitly unlicensed use of product)

...with one notable exception: apple.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/jailbreak

Burgi

@bwDraco that is probably worth a meta question

bwDraco

@allquixotic I am usually available during this time, although my schedules are volatile. Your thoughts on whether I should be a room owner, and any issues that need to be addressed?

(my apologies for the extra pings)

I'm aware of the overreacting issue and have already addressed it.

46 mins ago, by Bob

@bwDraco Speaking completely honestly? I would say I'm a bit concerned about how quickly you sometimes jump to what I would consider extreme punishments.

If anything, access to more privileges will only make me more cautious when using them (I wouldn't want them revoked!).

Bob

outlook.uservoice.com/forums/322590-outlook-2016-for-windows/…

Burgi

@bwDraco don't beg for it, earn it

allquixotic

02:41

@bwDraco I'd just like to abstain from participating in discussion on that particular topic

bwDraco

Alright then, when would be a better time? The reason isn't obvious from the context...

Michael Frank

@Bob Uhh... So they want Outlook to support dragging into other windows?

Burgi

that doesn't make sense

Bob

@MichaelFrank Specifically, in a format that browsers understand.

bwDraco

lol

Michael Frank

02:43

I suppose the act of dragging could generate a .eml file?

Bob

@MichaelFrank or a .msg. Doesn't really matter which. Currently, the drop handler gets some obscure OLE crap, not a usable file.

Michael Frank

Oh... Outlook Desktop. I completely missed that bit.

I was thinking Outlook for web, for some strange reason...

Burgi

i'm going to watch tv for a bit ttyl

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic ehh. Its more than that

They benefit from out-of bandness cause a lot of talk is about work. There was also the summer of ~~love~~ discontent.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek The privacy issue was another reason for us to look for private alternatives :P

bwDraco

02:51

I'm completely unfamiliar with what happened there as I don't frequent Server Fault.

Bob

@allquixotic Oh, btw, the AssemblyResolve thing I'm doing is pretty happy about loading from a byte array so hopefully in the final build I'll be able to package everything into one happy dll

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 I do sleep sometimes. And the place was running more or less fine when I was gainfully employed.

(granted, folk could ping me for actual emergencies then)

Bob

Note to self: embed resources stackoverflow.com/questions/34783742/…

@JourneymanGeek That's when the party starts :P

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I believe its 7. Roughly 12-7.30 at the moment ;p

(catching up!)

@bwDraco I do use kicks. But that comes after "telling off" and "almost canadianly polite yelling"

Bob

@JourneymanGeek AEST daytime is quiet :(

bwDraco

02:58

I've put in some work but now that I've ignored Dog/Cat/qasdf/whatever, this is no longer an issue for me.

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek I'M SORRY SIR, BUT YOU BEING DISRUPTIVE. PLEASE DESIST.

bwDraco

Dec 15 at 0:06, by bwDraco

@wat Please, please. This is flaggable material.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank you forgot "OR ELSE I WILL HAVE TO DO THINGS WE WILL BOTH DEEPLY REGRET, I'M SORRY"

bwDraco

I've tried not to overact.

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek ahh yes. The threat of regret.

Journeyman Geek

02:59

@bwDraco I'd flag that ;p

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