Root Access

Aibobot

00:02

@Bob heh. Appparently google has a font to try to minimise that called noto

Freedo

@Bob everyone is on a list but I really don't care

I have a death switch on me

Bob

@Aibobot uh... encoding problems aren't really something you can fix with fonts

you're probably confusing it with missing glyphs

different problem entirely

Aibobot

maaaaybe

That Brazilian Guy

00:26

maybe is ebay backwards. if you're dsyleixc.

Aibobot

00:51

actually. As a dyslexic? Not reaaaaaly

engadget.com/2016/10/10/samsung-artpc-pulse damnit apple

Bob

02:07

@Aibobot ... -_-

If you don't have the money, you don't go. If you don't learn this lesson now, you are setting yourself up for a life replete with panic and financial woes. This will look bad to the client, your boss, small children, pets, and some household appliances. It is unprofessional in the extreme, and bad form all around. Don't do it. — Richard U 13 hours ago

bwDraco

tomshardware.com/news/…

Gosh, that's paranoia.

Samsung is going so far as to use special hazmat packaging for Note7 return shipping.

> It is notable that other competing phones with lithium-ion batteries have been reported to suffer from spontaneous combustion, but I can't remember any other company recalling their phones. In my opinion, Samsung is doing the right thing while others haven't, and the company is suffering a massive backlash when we should applaud it for doing the right thing. Of course, that likely isn't a popular opinion.

I just think that the way Samsung is handling this shows they care.

The way Apple handles this, they sweep it under the rug. For customers to get compensation, they need to sign an NDA and can't even say that the NDA exists.

infoworld.com/article/2631641/techology-business/…

(very old, though, but likely still the case)

I realize that trying to be upfront and honest about incidents like this can backfire (and it appears that this is the case with the Note7 recall) but it is ultimately the right thing to do.

Apple sweeps major, systematic defects like Bendgate under the rug. They're now paying the price, with touchscreen controller failures a year later.

bwDraco

03:32

Okay RA, a networking question. Assuming properly installed Cat 6 cables (no kinks or hard bends, correct termination, etc.), will cable runs near the 35m/115ft limit experience sufficient signal degradation to prevent full 10GbE throughput?

Is Cat 6A cable more likely to attain full throughput under these conditions, or in hostile environments like strong EMI?

Is it worth the cost?

The cables must be capable of supporting 10GbE.

Oh, okay. The limit is 55m, not 35m.

> For 10GBASE-T, an unshielded Cat 6 cable should not exceed 55m

Category 6 cable

Category 6 cable, commonly referred to as Cat 6, is a standardized twisted pair cable for Ethernet and other network physical layers that is backward compatible with the Category 5/5e and Category 3 cable standards. Compared with Cat 5 and Cat 5e, Cat 6 features more stringent specifications for crosstalk and system noise. The cable standard specifies performance of up to 250 MHz. Whereas Category 6 cable has a reduced maximum length when used for 10GBASE-T, Category 6A cable (or Augmented Category 6) is characterized to 500 MHz and has improved alien crosstalk characteristics, allowing 10GBASE...

That's 180ft, which the longest cable run should be well within as no cable is expected to exceed 100ft.

I guess the need for Cat 6A is overblown.

Again, though, the cable might be in a hostile EMI environment. Would Cat 6A provide any tangible benefit?

I guess we'll know when we get a technician to install cables.

I don't want to plug in a 10GbE switch a few years from now and find that the cables need to be replaced. I want this cable to be good for at least ten years.

...will STP Cat 6 cable do the job?

Bob

04:25

@WayToDoor dogtrackernano.com Now you have to worry about your dog's IP lease as well as your dog peeing while on leash. — schroeder ♦ yesterday

Journeyman Geek

05:05

> _>

Bob

@JourneymanGeek lol. GCM?

Journeyman Geek

.... Yes.

HackToHell

has anyone used bluetooth audio on linux

Got this bluetooth headphone and it simply refuses to work :/

Journeyman Geek

The headphone runs Linux?

HackToHell

haha I wish

Bob

05:11

@HackToHell have you tried turning it off and on again?

HackToHell

Works perfectly on my android phone

I have multiple times, and that has helped

currently getting

Bob

lol

HackToHell

 [pulseaudio] bluez5-util.c: Transport Acquire() failed for transport /org/bluez/hci0/dev_FC_58_FA_9B_76_F9/fd2 (Input/output error)

Journeyman Geek

is it one of those crappy wifi/bt4.0 adaptors?

Bob

eh, I have a hard enough time getting bluetooth working on Windows, or audio working on Linux

combining the two sounds like a bad idea

HackToHell

05:12

This is after 2 days of getting the fucking kernel module of broadcom to load

Now pulseaudio isn't working

exactly @JourneymanGeek

Bob

@HackToHell what kind of computer/bt adapter is this?

HackToHell

@Bob :(

Bob

the combined mini-pcie cards aren't too bad

the tiny usb adapters should all be tossed into a giant bonfire

cleanse the evil!

HackToHell

This one askubuntu.com/questions/632336/…

Did that now it gets detected and I can scan in linux

Journeyman Geek

I found it was the other way around.

HackToHell

05:13

But now can connect, but no music :(

Journeyman Geek

hmm. Is the correct output selected?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek other way around?

HackToHell

Yeah it shows up in pavucontrol

Then hangs up with that error

Works super well in android

Bob

@HackToHell tell that to @allquicatic :P

HackToHell

I wonder what stack android has

Journeyman Geek

05:14

@Bob I've gotten cheap dongles to work. Never combo cards

Bob

iirc bluez until 4.3, then bluedroid from 4.4 onwards

anyway, get an intel card

HackToHell

ah, the common opinion seems to be to fuck bluez

Bob

ralink and broadcom should also go die in fires

HackToHell

I am going to get a new intel card, this broadcom one's linux driver is crappy

Bob

@HackToHell bluez apparently was better than bluedroid (cc @allquicatic)

HackToHell

05:15

Wireless disconnects randomly

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I keep pinging Aibobot when looking for quix -_-

@HackToHell tbh I have no idea how Intel performs on Linux

Journeyman Geek

Sowwy.

@Bob awesomely

Bob

I just know Ralink is shit (drivers were broken on 8.1) and Broadcom is shit (remember the handle leak in their Dell notification area thing?)

@JourneymanGeek yea, last I heard Intel driver support on Linux was decent

HackToHell

It's apparently better than broadcom, Linus posted about that iirc

Bob

but I've never really tried myself

@HackToHell btw, what laptop?

some manufacturers have a whitelist in bios/firmware so you might not be able to change the card

or you might have to find a specific one that's been whitelisted

Journeyman Geek

05:17

Most of my laptops have been intel. No complaints other than the damned Thinkpad whitelist

HackToHell

It's a Lenovo Z50-70

gist.github.com/HackToHell/9ea6b5e05944dbd84e16

Running Ubuntu 16.10

Bob

@HackToHell It has a whitelist.

forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-P-Y-and-Z-series/…

HackToHell

@Bob Oh :(

Bob

those listed cards might work

if you can get your hands on one of them

alternatively, you can try a bios mod but that's risky tonymacx86.com/threads/…

HackToHell

Damn why do they have to go and lock down the cards that do work

@Bob wow, risky much

Damn I thought this was a simple issue :/

now i'm turning into @allquicatic

brb

Aibobot

05:27

lol

@Bob if not for the whitelist I'd seriously consider updating all my working laptops to 5ghz capable cards

Now I'm totally meh about it and just gonna wait till my next upgrade

YOU

Can i ask a question about twitter here?

Aibobot

You just did....

@Bob bamboo.wacom.com/bamboo-smart-aes

YOU

?

Aibobot

@YOU well, its not within the scope of the main site. Some folks here might use it. I donno, but asking if you can ask is asking ;)

YOU

How can i add a video in tweet, Just like he added someone else video in tweet: twitter.com/Nomysahir/status/785339090845794309

He added ThinkProgress video. I dont know how?

?

Bob

05:39

@Aibobot yea, I saw that last night :P

YOU

The question is how can i add video like that in tweet?

i do not want to download and reupload, i just want to pin it like he did in that tweet

Bob

@YOU maybe try Web Applications

Aibobot

sure its not a onebox?

bur yeah, webapps

theverge.com/2016/10/10/13234558/…

Aibobot

06:26

man its so quiet today

Bob

@Aibobot floof

djsmiley2k

06:45

yawwwwwn

djsmiley2k

07:04

Someone entertain me?

plz :D

Aibobot

erf

Aibobot

07:24

We do some wierd shit

I just realised the ton of annoying, useless links on the desktop are from the public account on the system

I just shoved them into a folder by abusing my local admin account

HackToHell

okay updated pulseaudio and bluez to the git version, still doesn't work

fuck this

I'll do it tomorrow

Burgi

morning

Hennes

07:40

Morning. yawns

Burgi

i am not sure but i think i heard something about russia moving short range nukes to the european border

is it true or did i just have a bad dream?

Hennes

I had not heard that.

I might dream of Russia moving them to Cuba though, just in case Trump gets elected.

From a sign in St. Pauls: (Church in London).

In this place it is likely that you will hear God's voice. However it is unlikely that he will call you on your cell phone.

DavidPostill

@Burgi If you believe CNN, the Daily Express and The Sun then it must be true.

It was on the Beeb as well bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37597075

"Russia has deployed nuclear-capable Iskander missiles in its western-most region, Kaliningrad, which borders on Nato members Poland and Lithuania.

Poland said the development was of the "highest concern", adding it was monitoring the situation.

Russia's defence ministry said the new deployment was part of military exercises and had happened before."

Aibobot

07:57

and by bordered, they mean literally surrounded by other countries on 3 sides

I think its poland

also, nuclear capable dosen't necessarily mean nuclear armed

Bob

08:10

also, posturing

with ICBMs and SSBNs, a few SRBMs don't make all that much difference.

Hennes

Hmm, not sure about that.

Short range stuff is often tactical. You have less time to decide weater to use it or not. So it is more likely to be able to be armed by local people.

Burgi

09:06

i predict if trump wins, putin will annex estonia within 12 months

Hennes

DavidPostill

@Burgi projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast

Hillary Clinton

82.8%

Donald Trump

17.2%

Hennes

So 82.8% for the 'Meh, I do not trust her" option, and 17.2% for "Meteor 2016 - Just end it today" option.

Aibobot

tbh, while Hillary might not be very honest, she's insanely competant

yanno, better the crook you know than the kook you ... well know

Bob

hmmmmmmm

does anyone happen to know if "check for updates" always triggers download & install even if group policy is set otherwise?

Hennes

09:20

True. She seems like a competent crook.

Bob

> Now you can only sync 2 computers with Dropbox Basic. Since you're syncing 7, you'll need to remove computers from your account to add a new one.

WELP looks like I'm dropping Dropbox!

Oliver Salzburg

Nice one :D

Bob

Any and all puns are completely unintended.

Aibobot

man..

I switched to BTsync quite a while back

Bob

@Aibobot I've just been too lazy to fully switch. OneDrive and ownCloud now.

Aibobot

09:37

I think I'm ready to use my ghetto batch file migration script on the next deployment I do

Bob

Actually, for keepass specifically, I could just use WebDAV with ownCloud o.O

it's a tad laggy but it means I don't need a local client... hm...

Aibobot

@Bob Most of my file transfers are intralan so... it works

I actually am toying with replacing one of my bvckup jobs with it

(for backing up my backups with bvckup. I'll keep it for my backup backup backups tho

ugh. That co-worker of mine is astonishingly incompetant.

Bob

hm. Lenovo keyboard firmware update available

Aibobot

0_0

for the tablet?

hm. 15 minutes to hometime

Bob

@Aibobot ya

didn't seem to do much

I need a way to switch the function keys

hate having to press fn for all the simple stuff

Aibobot

09:46

lol

and if you're not used to lenovo the fn key is in the wrong place?

Bob

my old hp laptop had a bios option

Aibobot

there might be that or a helper application

Bob

the firmware setup on this is weird

it's some crazy metro-win10-settings imitation

that supports touch. and pen input O_O

but most 'categories' on the left correspond to a single option...

@Aibobot couldn't find it in the lenovo settings app

which I totally did not consider uninstalling. cough

Aibobot

certainly not ;p

(actually those were pretty handy in the IBM days...)

Bob

actually there's a keyboard settings section there that's suspicously empty

apparently thinkpads ahve it in the control panel keyboard properties but I checked that too

Aibobot

09:49

I think my old thinkpad had full key remapping available

so I could disable my caps lock

Journeyman Geek

10:09

Ahh

Done with work. Hoooooooome

Bob

ok, so Lenovo support chat was actually good O_O

or maybe I just have low standards...

hey, he didn't give the impression of talking to a dozen people at once (slow replies)

Journeyman Geek

Lol

I think in a lot of places Lenovo support is IBM

Bob

10:29

welp

brother's laptop's minipcie port... died?

@JourneymanGeek borderlands tonight?

in, say... two hours?

Daniele C

Hi guys! Quick question for you!

What Is the best notebook I can get for 200/250€ that allows me to install Linux and use It for college (some web browsing and light programming)?

Journeyman Geek

yes

Bob

lol

@DanieleC In that price range, there isn't really a "best".

Just a few "not worst"s.

Journeyman Geek

@DanieleC if its fedora or ubuntu, I'd lean towards a HP stream 11

Bob

And even then the "not" part is debatable :P

@JourneymanGeek Bit long in the tooth now, no?

Journeyman Geek

10:44

or see if you can find an old thinkpad

@Bob they're refreshing it still

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh?

Journeyman Geek

I think we're 2-3 generations on?

Daniele C

Thinkpad could be good

Thanks I'll have a look

Bob

Hm. Seems to be a Braswell (N3050).

@DanieleC What kind of "light programming" anyway?

Cause programming is a pain on 10" :\

It's not great on 13", even

Journeyman Geek

@DanieleC If I wanted cheap and awesome, I'd see if I can find a second hand x220 and get a new battery

Mine's doing pretty well, tho I upped the ram from stock, and added an SSD

display is a bit naff, its 1366x768 but that's my main complaint

Bob

10:49

@JourneymanGeek Benchmarks are interesting :P cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=2541&cmp%5B%5D=2585

Journeyman Geek

@Bob its more than just processor speed tho

Its one of the best small keyboards I've used

and my old model is light and pretty sturdy

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, I'm just saying it's interesting that a Braswell Celeron actually performs worse in multithread than a lower-TDP Cherry Trail.

Same core and all.

@JourneymanGeek At 12.5", 1366x768 isn't too bad

A bulky li'l beast though :P

Ahhhhh, the 2009/2010-era Lenovos with the expanded battery sticking out the back...

user2284570

Hello, does someone known a public web site with an expired certificate ? This is for testing tool for security bugs.

Bob

@user2284570 Uhm... you can make one? :P

@user2284570 Is this for your own personal use or for work, etc.?

cause I think I still have a couple old certs lying around but they're not on sites I really want to spread around

DavidPostill

42

A: Example websites that have invalid certificates

BadSSL has examples of all these things https://badssl.com/

@user2284570

Second search result for "public web site with an expired certificate"

Bob

11:01

@DavidPostill heh, that site just gave me an idea for a question :P

awwwwwwwww it's already been asked

Daniele C

What do you think about Asus EeeBook E200HA-FD0104TS

qasdfdsaq

11:20

@Bob Huh

Ah i see

@Bob lol

For 250 euros you can have my old Poshniba

15" with some shitty resolution, dual-core i5, 8GB RAM and 250GB HDD or SSD

Heck you could have it for 200

I was gonna give it away for free last week

@Aibobot That's sorta the problem with modern politics, the better a manipulative liar you are, the more "competent" a politician you are

Wow, that freebie low-end i5 laptop I got six years ago still beats the crap out of modern Atoms?

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq pretty much

@qasdfdsaq modern atoms are somewhat more power efficient tho

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Debateable :-P

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I consider atoms 'good enough' machines

If I need something to throw in a corner or a bag to do something, they are awesome

I wouldn't want one as a daily driver

qasdfdsaq

Sure the processor could do five times as many calculations in 1w but if it requires keeping the rest of a 20w system powered up for an hour you'd end up still using more power than a 50w processor doing the same job in 6 minutes

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq that's what I have my daily driver system for

qasdfdsaq

11:32

I want everything and I want it in a tiny little device that has infinite battery life.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq 8x the TDP, 2.5x the perf? :P

qasdfdsaq

1 min ago, by qasdfdsaq

Sure the processor could do five times as many calculations in 1w but if it requires keeping the rest of a 20w system powered up for an hour you'd end up still using more power than a 50w processor doing the same job in 6 minutes

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq and a mother****ing pony?

Bob

I'm actually rather liking Core-M

qasdfdsaq

Plus the TDP isn't truly indicative of real life power draw anyway

Bob

11:32

It does everything I really need for a consumer device

Also this one came with Win10Pro :P

qasdfdsaq

Nice

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq one of my atom systems is in my cheap, throw in a bag PC

Bob

...except I'm not entirely sure the group policy for updates is working

Journeyman Geek

the other is in my 24/7 download box

qasdfdsaq

My flatmate had a core M and has been basically threataning to pelt me to death with iPhones if I ever went near a core M, he hates them that much

Bob

11:33

@qasdfdsaq wait whaaaaaaaaaaa?

qasdfdsaq

I don't see what the big deal is tbh

Bob

When did you say that?!

qasdfdsaq

@Bob One minute ago

I should have bought a HP Elite x2 already tbh

Bob

@qasdfdsaq chat swallowed your message -_-

jokerdino

it's above

Bob

11:35

@qasdfdsaq why does he hate them? o.O

qasdfdsaq

Bob

Mind, I'm comparing them to Atom, not to Core-i

qasdfdsaq

I think my shitty internet connection may be to blame

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yea, chat ate it :S

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Well yes, compared to an atom, even a dead snail is fast

I wouldn't really mind a Core M tbh

Bob

11:36

@qasdfdsaq lol, there is that

qasdfdsaq

@Bob I think he's just had a particularly bad experience with his first Core M

Bob

I don't actually have a Cherry Trail/Airmont Atom

qasdfdsaq

Passively cooled 11" Lenovo yoga with a 60'c TDP

Bob

Bay Trail was meh. The devices were also crap.

Core-M is solidly midrange tablets, so build quality tends to be decent.

And include keyboards.

qasdfdsaq

Thermal design point = aka throttling temp

Bob

11:37

ah

qasdfdsaq

I tried an atom based server a few times, surprisingly compentent when I tried it tbh

Bob

yea, I don't really push it hard enough to hit that

@qasdfdsaq not like file serving, etc, is particularly CPU-intensive

it's good for that

qasdfdsaq

The virtualised one could pump about 600Mbps per thread over NFS, the bare-metal one easily maxed out 1Gbps

Bob

ok, that's impressive :P

just don't try to render any big webpages on Bay Trail

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Maybe, but I guess I'm used to MIPS routers at 600Mhz getting maxed out at 200Mbps just routing and less than 50Mbps file-serving

Bob

11:38

if the wait doesn't kill you, the burns and possible fire will.

qasdfdsaq

lol

Bob

@qasdfdsaq eww, MIPS

qasdfdsaq

I only planned on using them as NFS/iSCSI servers

Basically attaching an SSD to my server = $80 a month. Renting two SSD-equipped Atom servers = $8 a month

Oooh Windows Server 2016 is just out

Bob

o.O

containers?

qasdfdsaq

> Network Controller, a new server role to configure, manage, monitor, and troubleshoot virtual and physical network devices and services in the datacenter[17]
Hyper-V Network virtualization: programmable Hyper-V switch (a new building block of Microsoft's software-defined networking solution); VXLAN encapsulation support; Microsoft Software Load Balancer interoperability; better IEEE Ethernet standard compliance.[18]

Dunno about containers

> 10.0.10514 Technical Preview 3 August 19, 2015
Windows Server Containers

So I guess so

No real enhancements to remote desktop/terminal services though :-(

Shame, cause W8 was a huge improvement over W7 and I was hoping W10 would bring it up to the "Usable anywhere" level

What we really need is Mosh for RDP

qasdfdsaq

12:21

Like MoRDP

Girls don't like boys girls like cats and money

I mean cars and money. Damn auto cucumber

djsmiley2k

:D

Bob

@JourneymanGeek poke

djsmiley2k

@qasdfdsaq I thought it was cats and honey :O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob woof

Bob

@JourneymanGeek floof

qasdfdsaq

12:36

@djsmiley2k hmm maybe I should listen to the song again just to be sure

djsmiley2k

12:58

:D

Burgi

43

Q: Does the string "...CATCAT..." appear in the DNA of Felis catus?

In Hofstadter's Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid (GEB), the following claim appears: ...in the species Felis catus, deep probing has revealed that it is indeed possible to read the phenotype directly off the genotype. The reader will perhaps better appreciate this remarkable fact ...

djsmiley2k

13:14

@Burgi well that was a fun read

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Yeah. My guess is either they got it wrong pinpointing the problem, some how fucked up the replacements (or distributors fraudulently relabelled old units) or the users are lying to cover up the fact they ignored the recall on

WHATEVER Dave

14:13

jeeze

qasdfdsaq

!!shoedave whateverdave

ChatBot John Cavil

guitars @whateverdave around a bit with @Dave's shoe!

WHATEVER Dave

!!trout @qasdfdsaq

ChatBot John Cavil

slaps @qasdfdsaq around a bit with a large trout!

WHATEVER Dave

:P

qasdfdsaq

14:16

!!dave whateverdave

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

trouts @whateverdave around a bit with a large @Dave!

WHATEVER Dave

Hope you're having a good morning, everything is quite awesome up here at work.

Neato: thewindowsclub.com/windows-error-lookup-tool

Although I generally wouldnt need it.

Dave

14:33

Arrrrrgh

We must ban @Dave

WHATEVER Dave

haha welcome back dave

Dave

Yo dude :)

Burgi

i'm glad you two have decided to pack away your shoe-guitars

Dave

My guitar... does not look like a shoe :(

Burgi

although a farewall tour/duet would have been good

;)

Dave

14:37

ha ha ha

Journeyman Geek

shoetars...

didn't quite catch on in the 80s

Dave

:)

Burgi

in my head all i can see is @Dave like Nigel Tufnel‎ from spinal tap

Bob

So... apparently it's actually a thing. Kinda.

Burgi

TOLD YOU!!!!!!

Dave

14:44

Ha ha ha... I don't see much similarity :D

WHATEVER Dave

ROFLMAO, thats def a good find.

Dave

I don't think that's a very manly guitar!!!!!! :D

qasdfdsaq

Who cares if it's manly

Guitars aren't restricted to men

Dave

I didn't say it was...

But, when I play it, I want a manly guitar ! :)

Burgi

i think you could style it out in a 70's glam rock sort of way @Dave

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