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12:05
@Rahul2001 again, I mostly use the reply from watch thingy while in class
@arda We aren't allowed electronic devices in class :(
That applies to us for phones
You're allowed laptops?
not smartwatches. It'd get taken if I was abusing it, but I mostly use it to reply simple stuff
@Rahul2001 Wish we were.
I have so much work to do and school taking 11-13 hours doesn't help
Correction, we aren't allowed electronic devices in school
12:07
@Rahul2001 Including smartwatches?
@DavidPostill Yep
Calculators?
No teacher allows calculators
Slide rules?
@DavidPostill wait... you are allowed to use calcs in school in some countries?
damn
12:08
@DavidPostill We never need them in class, the teacher doesn't know what they are
We do everything on mind / on paper because of course we'll not have a calc ready if we get a job that needs us to do complicated maths.
@DavidPostill Not at all popular in India, not sure you can even get one
@arda lol
@arda they are trying to ban them in the uk.
@DavidPostill Ha! If we aren't able to use them, neither should you!
12:11
ugh
@Rahul2001 I'm so old I used a slide rule in school. They were not banned.
I have no idea how to do stuff with a scientific calculator
and knowing would help me a lot if/when I take sat
@DavidPostill Makes sense... Everyone should know primary mathematics... Calculators should be allowed in high school however
@DavidPostill lol
@DavidPostill They seem pretty cool
Using a slide rule actually teaches you something about math. And you need to able to ballpark answers so you know you haven't made a mistake. Mind you that applies to calculators as well.
@Rahul2001 primary maths is very different from what we see in school
12:15
@arda +, -, /, *, %, $ ??
I never make any of these!
@arda That's just plain dumb. Do they expect you to take a job as a statistician with no access to computers and calculators?
Although I don't know what stuff like subjunctive verbs really are, I've read and heard so much English content that I just know if something sounds wrong.
@DavidPostill so much crazy stuff about turkish schools
@DavidPostill At least SAT papers and the like have all the formulas written on the front page, we don't even get that
We literally have to memorize 30 formulas for every exam, plus all the ones from previous years
@arda We have an exam every month :(
@Rahul2001 30? HAHAHHAH GET ON OUR LEVEL. We have more than 10000 different topics in our country's university exam.
12:22
@arda So do we
I'm still in 10th grade, dude
@Rahul2001 We just finished the second week. I already entered 3 exams.
@arda Uni?
@Rahul2001 hs. 11th grade.
I just checked list of this year's maths topics.
list in turkish - pretty depressing.
12:30
@Rahul2001 That was the case in the UK. I've no idea if it still is.
13:20
@DavidPostill probably. Out here, all the way to undergrad, there's a very small list of approved calculators
In all my student years before university, you couldn't use any calculators at all, and had to memorize all math and physics formulas (that's not an exception, but rather the rule since forever).
I had one physics teacher who wrote all formulas on the blackboard. All the formulas. Then the students would ask which formula should they use. He would always answer: "The one in the blackboard".
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@JourneymanGeek checks prices of plane tickets
Did someone say planes?
Alberto Santos-Dumont (Portuguese pronunciation: [awˈbɛʁtu ˈsɐ̃tuz duˈmõ]; 20 July 1873 – 23 July 1932) was a Brazilian aviation pioneer. The heir of a wealthy family of coffee producers, Santos-Dumont dedicated himself to aeronautical study and experimentation in Paris, France, where he spent most of his adult life. Santos-Dumont designed, built, and flew hot air balloons and early dirigibles, his rising fame in this field culminating in his winning of the Deutsch de la Meurthe prize on 19 October 1901 on a flight that rounded the Eiffel Tower. Following his pioneering work in airships, Santos...
> In his homeland, Brazil, Santos-Dumont is a national hero (...). He is credited in Brazil as the "father of aviation" and "father of flight".
Brothers who?
13:42
@ThatBrazilianGuy right ;)
oh god
@ThatBrazilianGuy Marx! Gaucho! Harpo! Chico! Gummo! Zeppo! Karl!
The last one was terribly unfunny though.
@ThatBrazilianGuy As any fool knows Daedelus invented aviation.
In Greek mythology, Daedalus (/ˈdɛdələs ˈdiːdələs/; Ancient Greek: Δαίδαλος Daidalos, perhaps related to δαιδάλλω "to work artfully"; Latin: Daedalus; Etruscan: Taitale) was a skillful craftsman and artist. He is the father of Icarus, the uncle of Perdix and possibly also the father of Iapyx, although this is unclear. == Family == His parentage was supplied as a later addition to the mythos, providing him with a father in Metion, Eupalamus, or Palamaon, and a mother, Alcippe, Iphinoe, or Phrasimede. Daedalus had two sons: Icarus and Iapyx, along with a nephew either Talus or Perdix. Athen...
"Daedalus set to work to fabricate wings for himself and his young son Icarus. He tied feathers together, from smallest to largest so as to form an increasing surface. He secured the feathers at their midpoints with string and at their bases with wax, and gave the whole a gentle curvature like the wings of a bird. When the work was done, the artist, waving his wings, found himself buoyed upward and hung suspended, poising himself on the beaten air. "
@JourneymanGeek Dunno, last I heard he was really big in Russia...
13:57
"Sir George Cayley was first called the "father of the aeroplane" in 1846. During the last years of the previous century he had begun the first rigorous study of the physics of flight and would later design the first modern heavier-than-air craft. "
Sir George Cayley, 6th Baronet (27 December 1773 – 15 December 1857) was a prolific English engineer and is one of the most important people in the history of aeronautics. Many consider him to be the first true scientific aerial investigator and the first person to understand the underlying principles and forces of flight. In 1799 he set forth the concept of the modern aeroplane as a fixed-wing flying machine with separate systems for lift, propulsion, and control. He was a pioneer of aeronautical engineering and is sometimes referred to as "the father of aviation." He discovered and identified...
Hmmm. Interesting. Never heard of him.
Any mod who is bored might consider nuking superuser.com/users/647769/bestsocialplan. Registered today, already spamming ...
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@allquicatic: Did you see the emoji commands I added last night?

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haha that's funny
nice
15:01
@DavidPostill here's a challenge: Make cmd echo off
as in literally make it say the word "off"
@Rahul2001 echo.off
shit
How did I not guess that?
15:14
@JourneymanGeek woof
@bwDraco oh screw off man, 100% scrutiny on your post. You learn those things on your own. No large pets, hey atleast you HAVE a house, and I'm guessing your own room yes yes?

If you're 18 just start exploring on your own now. You'll gain all that maturity. I was just like you, worrying what people think until I realized and developed myself to care about myself more and I forgot the other party but yeah but be considerate that although you didnt get a large pet there's millions of more people who've yet had worse situations than you. Maybe some people can't even house a large pet what do
At some point you'll be mad and realize that saying sorry all the time is poop, and apologizing to people for things you have done that you should be able to do whenevr you please is just silly.
In all honestly, Mother understands me and I'm starting to get some freedom of my own.
SO by saying sorry that you're like this it's kinda like still trying to impress us. You'll lose that don't worry! :) you can do it @bwDraco I believe in you.
Thank you for taking the time to write that message. You've touched my heart.
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I'm half trying to work out if I should say 'be nice' or ... you're encouraging draco (in the good way).
Congratulations. You have confused me.
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15:25
I get the message. It's not mean, just street talk.
Yeah you know what David the calculators tick me off in my highschool classes. Because kids forget how to do long division, their multiplcation and addition slows because all they use are calculators from grade 10 and on it's horrible.

Any time a teacher says take out a calculator now, I ignore it and do the expensive operation by hand.
yeah. Read it twice. ;p
@DavidPostill I think that calculators shouldn't be introduced until 5th or 6th grade, when kids have mastered the essentials of basic arithmetic.
Later on, calculators, when used properly, can be a very powerful tool for teaching both computation and concepts, but they should not be used to replace basic mathematical skills.
Well out here, no calculators till upper secondary
and basically you're running the same basic scientific calculator models all the way through
At the high school level, we're expected to use graphing calculators.
At least that's how things work here in New York. Not sure about what changes Common Core have brought...
I went through school before the introduction of Common Core.
The math portions of standardized tests are frequently impossible or a massive pain without a graphing calculator
(that's literally the rules as far as any local national exams go)
New York State Regents specify that a graphing calculator is required for the higher-level math exams. Models with a computer algebra system (typically college-level calculators) is not allowed.
This is the most recent Common Core Algebra II Regents exam: nysedregents.org/algebratwo/816/algtwo82016-exam.pdf
> A graphing calculator and a straightedge (ruler) must be available for you to use while taking this examination.
Students are expected to be familiar with the calculator they use.
Memory must be cleared prior to the start of the exam.
Actually, the new Common Core exams require graphing calculators at all levels. p12.nysed.gov/ciai/mst/math/documents/guide_calculator_use.html
> They may NOT be capable of symbol manipulation or communication with other calculators through infrared sensors. NO instruction or formula cards, or other information regarding the operation of calculators such as operating manuals are permitted. The memory of any calculator with programming capability must be cleared, reset, or disabled when students enter the testing room. If the memory of any calculator is password protected, and cannot be cleared or reset, the calculator may NOT be used.
"symbol manipulation" means what is typically referred to as a computer algebra system, software capable of doing things like solving equations symbolically or computing results in terms of both variables and numbers.
As for college entrance exams, the SAT allows calculators with computer algebra systems, and memories do not need to be cleared. The ACT does not allow calculators with computer algebra systems and memories do need to be cleared.
@JourneymanGeek hehe I manage to confuse a lot of my friends. Are you confused now whether I'm implying that you're my friend or not? :)
I'm glad you understood me Draco since I did lay it on on the edge of what could've been received in a bad way
I've gone through the Regents math exams with either a TI-84 Plus or a TI-Nspire (original model with Clickpad). I did the SAT and AP exams with an HP 50g (which is CAS-enabled).
In college, I used an HP 50g briefly before transitioning to an HP Prime.
A computer algebra system (CAS) is a software program that allows computation over mathematical expressions in a way which is similar to the traditional manual computations of mathematicians and scientists. The development of the computer algebra systems in the second half of the 20th century is part of the discipline of "computer algebra" or "symbolic computation", which has spurred work in algorithms over mathematical objects such as polynomials. Computer algebra systems may be divided in two classes: the specialized ones and the general purpose ones. The specialized ones are devoted to a specific...
It's when you're doing calculus that a CAS becomes particularly useful and important.
I've always felt that the appropriate and responsible use of calculators can greatly improve the mathematics learning experience. Once you get to a certain point, you want to focus on the concepts and understanding each step in a mathematical process, rather than worry about doing the underlying computations correctly.
Once I get a particular concept down pat, I would use a calculator to do it in future lessons that build on that concept, making sure that I understood what the calculator was doing.
I'm of the opinion that a calculator is best used for doing, as part of a more complex problem, intermediate computations that you already understand and would otherwise be tedious or error-prone to do.
15:55
hmm and then you wonder when computer algebra system latency comes into play. So it's because they make the RAM chips, people who werent trained to use a CAS properly! Dang schools.
now thats even more confusing isnt it JMG :)
16:10
The new SAT is designed to align with the Common Core standards.
It's no longer an aptitude test, but an academic achievement test designed to assess students' learning in high school, a much better indicator of college success potential.
The most significant criticism is in the new math questions, which are written to be nuanced, asking students to apply what they've learned in real-world situations in such a way that may be difficult to understand by those not good at English.
The fact that SAT is designed to Common Core also means that states that haven't fully implemented the new standards won't perform as well.
As a note, I took the SAT only once and didn't take the ACT. Preparation was by means of materials supplied by the College Board (including a practice test); no commercial preparation materials were used. I also took the PSAT/NMSQT with similar results and received the Commended Student honor but did not get any further in the National Merit competition.
Towards grad school, I took the GRE; like any other standardized test I've taken, the score was no surprise to me, though the different testing environment (computer-adaptive test at a Prometric test center) was a stress factor. This time, I did use commercial prep materials (two GRE prep books) and ETS's official prep software, which probably added 2-3 points to my final composite score.
The essay is, as you would expect, the hardest part (two essays, 30 minutes each), and I spent most of my prep time on doing essays, but again, the result was no surprise.
I went through as many as twelve of the essays in the official test pool during preparation.
17:38
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Q: When should battery covers be secured with screws?

bwDracoOn lots of electronic devices with replaceable batteries, the battery cover is secured by a screw. I undetstand that it may be necessary to protect against child access to the battery bay, but using a screw necessitates the use of a screwdriver to open the battery cover, which can be inconvenien...

18:24
@bwDraco a multi touch lock would be an alternative
 
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19:26
Argh. JourneymanGeek is too nice for me to hate but too moddy doggy for me to like.
@allquicatic/@Bob: Not sure which of you managed this, but would you recommend using ZFS for your root/boot disk?
19:58
on linux?
20:37
@PotatoCat have you got a house sorted?
 
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22:26
<Insert real name of CausingUnderflowsEverywhere here> hugs @PotatoCat tightly. I missed you friend :)
If it's too tight, take it as a warm one instead.
@DavidPostill Oh dang you're right about that too. That's why it's good to get out of the house and even out of your neighborhood or travel, because it keeps your brain running and processing. Once you take everything for granted it seems your brain ceases to process as much and as an unexercised muscle, starts to become slower.
Bob
Bob
23:02
@PotatoCat not sure about recommend but it's working pretty well
don't know if they officially support it yet
23:34
Hey Ya'll! Could I ask a quick question...I am trying to get Zonealarm installed on Windows 8 but it fails saying my operating system is out of date. However it is and there are no new updates available
23:45
@PotatoCat hi. Welcome back.
@JourneymanGeek Would you happen to know about Zonealarm :p
Bob
Bob
@NULL 8 is out of support, actually... you should be on 8.1
Bob
Bob
dunno about ZA specifically though
Well yes I use 8.1 I guess I should stop calling it 8
It gets stuck on installing Microsoft Visual C++
x86*
23:48
I don't use third party security theatre firewalls
lol
I dont much care for ZA either...I am setting the computer up for someone elese
else*
Does the installer show which version of VC++ it's trying to install? Might be worth trying to install that before launching the ZA installer
Maybe they only support 10. Or it's a piece of the emanations of the north end of a south facing male domestic cattle....
Yeah it doesn't say the version, but I noticed in programs and features it half installed 2015 version....i used to have 2008
This appears to be the download for just VC++ 2015: microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=48145
23:52
thanks! Am trying now
Ok it says another installation is in progress...probably left over from zone-alarm installer...let me fix that right quick
I need to restart this computer and test it again I will be right back(less that 5min)
why is your null in capital letters? is it a constant string?
Yeah:)
No really I dont do much c++ but
what does interfacing hardware with software mean?
Context is everything...
Yes hold on ill be right back...need to restart computer
to test the driver
one sec
23:56
In a simple sense it means exactly what it says.
Heh. I'm entirely unsure if I'm going to be 'late' for work.
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