Root Access

Dog

00:00

@JourneymanGeek Yes, though that's beside the point. I think it was NX or something W10 needed

Journeyman Geek

@Ramhound meh, post more answers. Comment less ;p

Dog

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A: Windows 10 64-bit requirements: Does my CPU support CMPXCHG16b, PrefetchW and LAHF/SAHF?

Your processor supports these features. In fact, the same features are required to run 64-bit Windows 8.1. This requirement is met by all modern processors and is generally only an issue with certain Core 2 and earlier processors. What are these instructions? The CMPXCHG16B instruction perform...

Also that

Ramhound

to be fair.

If he doesn't have the required instruction he can't run windows 10 32-bit either

Dog

Oh hey I commented there too

Should point out though, while these particular features are the same as required to run Windows 8.1, not all CPU features required to run Windows 10 are required to run Windows 8.1. In particular, PAE and NX are not required under 8.1 but mandatory for 10 — Dog Nov 6 '15 at 14:22

Ramhound

but PAE and NX are required for 8.1

"What are PAE, NX, and SSE2? <-- read this
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/what-is-pae-nx-sse2"

answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/…

They were not required for 8.0

an in most cases it was not PAE but NX that cause people problems

Journeyman Geek

00:05

NX is 'newer' than PAE

Ramhound

by problems I mean, they had a CPU that didn't support it, virtually all CPUs had PAE because of Windows XP

Like, have had to have a CPU literally that came with Windows 2000 or 98, type old

Journeyman Geek

that said, I am running windows 10 on nearly decade old core 2 duos

I consider anything older than a core 2 too old to even consider as a dumpster dive rescue

Ramhound

@dog - Still waiting on what misinformation I said....

Dog

!!s/core 2/core i7 4xxx/

ChatBot John Cavil

@Dog I consider anything older than a core i7 4xxx too old to even consider as a dumpster dive rescue (source)

var firstName

00:10

@JourneymanGeek would a minecraft server run on 2x2.4GHz Xeon 5000 series CPUs?

Dog

But I'm very elitist like that

var firstName

and 4GB of RAM?

Journeyman Geek

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere eh, prolly.

why not try it?

var firstName

@JourneymanGeek you mean me? or underflows?

Journeyman Geek

I'd probably see if I could fleabay more ram for it, especially if it'll take normal ram as opposed to RDIMMs.

er

@varfirstName yes. gee. Why did I @CausingUnderflowsEverywhere anyway?

var firstName

00:11

You haven't had your morning coffee?

Journeyman Geek

Hasn't kicked in yet I guess

Dog

@JourneymanGeek He caused an underflow in your @at'ing subroutine

Journeyman Geek

@varfirstName how much are you paying for it tho?

var firstName

it's my server

I own it

at home

Journeyman Geek

and are power costs/noise an issue?

Dog

00:12

Speaking of, I accidentally gave someone $750 I shouldn't have

Journeyman Geek

ah

var firstName

no power /noise isnt

Journeyman Geek

then definately try it

@Dog 0_0

@varfirstName definately try to see if you can get pulled or new/old stock ram for it

~~TomTom's~~ My phone has more ram than that ;p

I consider 8gb to be a minimum on mainline systems.

Dog

@JourneymanGeek Speaking of, modern smartwatches have dual-core 1Ghz processors, 768MB of RAM and 4GB of flash.

Yeah, a watch

That's more than first/second-gen smart phones

Journeyman Geek

;p

Guitar Shoe Dave

00:23

;p

Journeyman Geek

@Dog that's the whole reason IOT is a thing

that and they keep oversaturating every traditional market.

Dog

!!;p

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

granted I believe without an open platform, you'd end up with dozens of orphaned IOT devices with non functional servers limping along until they get compromised... ;p

Dog

@JourneymanGeek So, basically the status quo then

Journeyman Geek

00:32

@Dog which is why I don't really like the current tangent they're on

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Dunno if you're aware but I already thoroughly answered that the last time it came up - answer was more or less !!no

afaict those CPUs have all the performance of Pentium 4, give or take

Maybe an early Core2. Maaaaaaybe.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob in which case he's just wasting our time. So saying yes is a good idea so he can waste his time instead ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Gotta admit, it would be somewhat amusing to see the attempt...

That poor hardware tho

I wonder if those Xeons can catch fire?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I used to think old rackmounts were cool till I realised how impractical and shitty they were ;p

likewise with the ol office xeons

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Well, there's something to be said about decade-old hardware. Mostly how they make the incredible advancements since then quite obvious.

Ooh, it might actually be a Core (not Core2)

Journeyman Geek

00:42

@Bob they make great doorstops?

Bob

eh, still benchmarks with all the performance of a modern Atom (granted, much higher single-thread)

@JourneymanGeek Basically it's the kind of server that can be rented for some $20-30/month. And I'm convinced that's mostly to pay for power and cooling.

Then again, it's not like we even know which exact model is being dealt with here.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob hmm, weren't you using trions for storing games?

How big/roughly what price?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Trion 100 240 GB and Trion 150 480 GB.

The 150 is alright. Would not recommend the 100; sustained writes drop to something like 30 MB/s

I think the 150 can manage 100 MB/s sustained write

Journeyman Geek

ahh, I was looking at the rebranded toshibas dx.com/s/toshiba+Q300

(essentially the same disks)

Bob

Price... good question.

Journeyman Geek

00:50

DX is slightly cheaper than my local dealer

Bob

@JourneymanGeek You mean same as the Trions? o.O

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

I got mine off Amazon, lemme check the prices I bought at.

Journeyman Geek

pcworld.com/article/2993875/storage/…

Still considering. I should have started work today :(

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Trion 150 480 GB was 100 USD June 2016

Journeyman Geek

00:52

ah

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Trion 100 240 GB was 55 USD Dec 2015

The 150 is now 120 USD, so... yea. I think I got it during a flash sale.

Journeyman Geek

ah

Still thinking about it

Bob

At 120 I think I'd go for one of the cheap SanDisks instead.

@JourneymanGeek It's a pain to copy a lot of files to it cause write speed falls through the floor as soon as the cache fills up. And the cache isn't very big.

@JourneymanGeek If they're the same, go for the Trion 150... cheaper off Amazon

Journeyman Geek

@Bob kinda still thinking about it XD

I'm not exactly experiencing any hardship from spinning tust

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Don't you already have a bunch of DOIDs? :P

Dog

00:57

I suspect having a 24-hour mcdonalds 3 minutes down the road is having an impact on my diet

Journeyman Geek

@Bob precisely!

and I'm planning on starting on a upgrade when I get a more stable/longer term job

Bob

@JourneymanGeek If you do want one, I recommend amazon.com/SanDisk-240GB-2-5-Inch-SDSSDA-240G-G25-Version/dp/…

Journeyman Geek

This is more "I'm bored and itchy and am looking at random crap on the internet incase its needed" ._.

Also, don't forget, I'm pretty indiscrimnate about quality when it comes to non mainline systems

Bob

Apparently the SSD Plus is MLC for some reason anandtech.com/show/8827/…

Journeyman Geek

I could always downgrade my old laptop to spinning rust and stick the 120gb kingdian in somewhere else ;p

Bob

01:03

s/ downgrade my old laptop to spinning rust and stick the 120gb kingdian in somewhere else/play with fire/

Journeyman Geek

I have backups

2

@Bob meh

and I wouldn't store anything critical on it and the old laptop's currently... er... Where is it anyway?

Dog

Turns out after spending nearly four hours manually running my zfs backup because I didn't have time to write a script to do it, I found a script I had for doing it -_-

I'm so stupid that, if they had an award for stupid, I would definitely be in the running.

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bwDraco

01:19

Not sure I'd recommend the SSD PLUS. It's quite slow. tweaktown.com/reviews/7726/…

DRAM-less design is not helping.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I have an off-brand dramless SSD ;p

and there's probably benchmarks of it in chat

Don't forget I don't skimp on system drives. I was looking at this in comparison to using spinning rust

bwDraco

Sequential write speeds are quite horrid.

> When an SSD can't even write a large chunk of data as fast as even low performing spinning disk drives, it's not something we will ever be able to recommend to our readers.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco but but... my use case here is probably mostly reading.

bwDraco

The BX200 was really bad with sequential writes, and is probably the worst of the bunch in this regard, but the SSD PLUS has trouble with more than just sequential writes.

Plastic construction? Really?

tweaktown.com/reviews/7726/…

It falls flat on its face when faced with complex workloads, wheres the BX200 is reasonably well-behaved with typical consumer workloads other than large sequential writes.

> The SSD Plus and Z410 would drop to as low as 30 IOPS with an average response time of nearly 1 second for long periods of time while running our preconditioned 70/30 random mixed workload.

Yikes. Not okay at all.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco not really an issue unless you're using the case for cooling.

bwDraco

01:31

Do anything remotely taxing on the drive (not just sequential writes!) and it runs slower than an HDD.

Under practical use conditions, it's slower than the BX200. Ouch.

PCMark results are not promising, either.

Looks like the SLC buffer is tiny and steady-state performance is absolutely horrific.

While the BX200 was well-behaved (even if slow) with random writes with an exhausted SLC buffer, the SSD PLUS suffers from degraded write and read performance under the same conditions in both sequential and random workloads.

Page 7 hightlights some awful latency even on a fresh drive.

QD1 latency is the #1 determinant of responsiveness in typical consumer workloads. This is not good.

electronbeam

@Dog here have a thing soundcloud.com/electron_beam/distractions-beta

Bob

Things!

@electronbeam Nice

electronbeam

01:51

@Bob thanks

Ramhound

Edge is ticking me off. Its not loading stuff it should load fast. I can't tell if its my connection or what.

Bob

Aug 25 at 15:37, by Bob

Edge needs to go die in a fire.

bwDraco

SM2256 is okay if it's given DRAM (see anandtech.com/show/10131/the-adata-premier-sp550-ssd-review) but in SanDisk's DRAM-less implementation, it's absolutely horrific.

Ramhound

lol

Bob

@electronbeam How long do these take you?

Ramhound

01:53

Its normaly fine tonight its just annyoing

wowhead crashes and burns on wowhead :$

electronbeam

@Bob this one was roughly an hour of writing and 4 hours of work

Bob

@Ramhound I think I spent an hour trying to teach it how to download a file before giving up and using it to download Firefox instead

electronbeam

btw I dunno if I told anyone

but I was unceremoniously fired 2 weeks ago

sooooo if anyone has anything

Bob

O_O

electronbeam

hmu

Ramhound

01:54

lol, to be fair, wowhead is a POS that unblocking ads on iOS which make it so you can't even go back to the page, its just infinite ad refres.

electronbeam

I've been working on my album

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@electronbeam Come work for the government, they don't fire you here.

electronbeam

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse which government?

That Brazilian Headless Horse

The one that ended today ._____.

Bob

@electronbeam pssst, see username :P

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse Wait. Ended?

electronbeam

01:55

:/

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@Bob Hmm.... yes?

!!wiki Dilma Roussef

ChatBot John Cavil

Dilma Rousseff

Dilma Vana Rousseff (Brazilian Portuguese: [ˈdʒiwmɐ ˈvãnɐ ʁuˈsɛf(i)]; born 14 December 1947) is a Brazilian economist and politician who was the 36th President of Brazil from 2011 until her impeachment and removal from office on August 31, 2016. She is the first woman to have held that office. She was previously the Chief of Staff of President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva from 2005 to 2010. The daughter of a Bulgarian immigrant, Rousseff was raised in an upper middle class household in Belo Horizonte. She became a socialist during her youth, and following the 1964 coup d'état joined various left-wing...

Bob

O_O

Journeyman Geek

@electronbeam ow

electronbeam

@JourneymanGeek what, did you subwoofer explode?

Journeyman Geek

01:58

Had the same thing happen to me.

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@Bob Well... it's not like I liked having job stability or anything.

electronbeam

@JourneymanGeek ah, sorry to hear that

Journeyman Geek

I shoulda started on a new job today but its been delayed....

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