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Bob
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00:00
Not that any of those drives have failed yet
\o/ I got a prescreening email somewhere big
If you're considering a new server, you can get this cheap one for $260
Bob
Bob
perks of having a USB hub with power switches? :P
USB drives aren't meant to be a permanent solution
Bob
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they're just switched off most of the time
00:00
@JourneymanGeek Yay!
(certain CDN that the network used to use)
@BenN tradition here is we don't name em. Lets call em "watervaporflash corp"
Dog
Dog
There are only like, 5 big CDNs worldwide
Bob
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@BenN *cough* *cough*
@BenN Probably shipping costs $100 alone
Granted, I don't have any idea what to call the place I'm contracting at
Bob
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00:02
@JourneymanGeek dodgycontractor corp
rhymes with nabisco?
Dog
Dog
Steam flash corp? :-/
@JourneymanGeek do you think that @cat/@kerbalspacebecky/@qwertyuiop/@qasdfdsaq recent name change is to try and get into your good books?
@Burgi no
Dog
Dog
00:02
!!tell 31422748 shoedave Burgi
They just like changing their name a lot
@Burgi guitars @Burgi around a bit with @Dave's shoe!
@oldmud0 NewEgg says free shipping
what O_O
what the actual
Bob
Bob
@BenN HP microserver can be had for even cheaper, if you don't need CPU power
iirc they have a Pentium
Dog
Dog
00:03
Raspberri Pi
Is probably as powerful as his old dinosaur
@oldmud0 the catch being its a slightly older processor
If all you need is web, though, it probably won't be super noticeable
Dog
Dog
@JourneymanGeek Ermm what?
watervaporflash corp.....
OH!
congrats
Dog
Dog
@Burgi I'm confused
00:05
or good luck
@Burgi the latter
Bob
Bob
@Burgi "prescreening email" :P
Quick question. How good/bad is it if most of your answers are based off their support documents?
Dog
Dog
Cloudflash? Steamlight?
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@JourneymanGeek I hope they don't need you right now, what with the other place
00:06
@dog think light and fluffy
@Bob these places typically have slow hiring times, and its remote.
Dog
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Subliming dry ice?
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o.O
> £35 cash back on the HPE Microserver and £25 cash back on the 3 Year Warranty! - see details
£139.95 ex VAT
Next-day delivery from £4.95 ex. VAT
Of course, it's a Celery
anyway!
bedtime for reals
nn
Dog
Dog
@Bob Compared to his pentium 3...
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00:07
'night
Bye
Bob
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@Dog 3?!?!
Dog
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I don't think performance is really an issue
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Ok, take the celery -_-
Dog
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@Bob Yes, 3.
00:07
Screw it, I'm tossing the server.
Dog
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Or 4.
> Processors Up to two Intel® XEON™ III processors at 2.4GHz, 2.8GHz, 3.06GHz and 3.20GHz
Chipset Intel E7501 chipset
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@Dog and here I thought the server2003 machine (with some NetBurst-era Xeon) we decommissioned in 2013 was old...
What's the point.
Dog
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Ah its Netburst P4. Nvm.
Stupid deceptive Google result previews
I think that server I linked above would be a good fit
00:08
@Dog you talking about my server?
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@oldmud0 Woof.
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@BenN depends on the budget? :P
@JourneymanGeek That's an affirmative.
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I mean, if you're replacing a 15 year old server... the celery would do fine, for cheaper :P
Dog
Dog
00:09
@JourneymanGeek Woof.
Woof = yes, woof woof = no.
Do I look like bloody lassie to you? ;p
Dog
Dog
> Dual processor NetBurst-based Xeon chipsets[edit]
E7500 corresponded to the first Northwood-based Pentium4 Xeons, E7501 is essentially identical but supports faster FSB and memory.
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@Dog I thought it was the other way around
@Bob Right, $260; which can be earned in a few weeks
Dog
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@Bob Woof woof woof?
00:10
Screw that, I'll just take the dell dimension I have sitting under my desk.
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@BenN vs $150
Has two satas.
It's 32 bit but guess what
I dont care
@Bob Ah, I didn't know how to translate pounds to freedom money ;)
Dog
Dog
I have a crappy old mobo with an Athlon64 x2 in it and 6 SATA slots
And 4GB (or 8?) of DDR2 RAM.
Not worth selling... wonder how much it'd cost to ship
Nahh I could go to any computer store and scrap something of equal value.
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Bob
00:11
@BenN I just pulled that from the first Google search result with a price. it's some 200-230 AUD for a Pentium version here in AU
Dog
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Then why are you still living with a first-gen Pentium 4? o_0
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dunno what US stores to search
I wonder if computer stores allow this kind of public scrapping.
I gave one away to someone.
Dog
Dog
@Bob Newegg
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@Dog they don't stock the low-end ones
only the Xeon ones for 400+
00:13
@Dog its a reasonable starving student server.
Dog
Dog
There's a cat cafe in Thailand called Catmosphere
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> Diskless Configuration (No RAID, No Controller)
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@JourneymanGeek If you don't pay for electricity...
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o.O
@Dog many students don't
Dog
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00:14
The price of a day's electricity running that thing would buy a Raspberry Pi, which would probably be faster
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No controller?
Dog
Dog
@Bob Probably means no RAID controller, I doubt there's zero onboard SATA ports
(hell, if you're local and don't mind the slight risk of your server suddenly dying, I have a gigabyte NUC class machine I'm willing to let you have at a very reasonable price)
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ah
Dog
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Then again, thin clients with SATA DOM or USB drives internally aren't unheard of
Bob
Bob
00:15
@JourneymanGeek "slight" risk :P
@Bob Its happened twice.
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not-so-slight then
Hi!
00:16
and my reasonable price, I quite literally mean something like covering my transport costs.
Dog
Dog
I'm a cat, meaow, check meowt
Oh wait, dino turned me into a dog.
Bark bark. Woof woof.
!!taytaytay
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flop
00:21
What am I supposed to look up to find places where I (as a consumer) can take stuff from rather than give items to to computer recycling centers?
Bunch of stores close to where I live accept computer crap.
Are they ok with me just taking some of that crap?
@oldmud0 Ask them and see :)
Ye but I'm just a kid. No rep
Fine.
Dog
Dog
Dammit why does spending money make my bank balance go down so much :-(
@Burgi !!doooooooog has been around for months
!!info doooooooog
@Dog Command doooooooog, created by qwertyuiop on Fri, 20 May 2016 09:44:06 GMT
Dog
Dog
00:33
!!meercaaaaaaaaaaaat
ponders turning @Dog into a newt
@oldmud0 depends on how much they like you
but dumpster diving is a time honoured tradition
(That guy is Newt Gingrich, for people unfamiliar with American politics)
00:36
this fits with the theme
Why is Outlook send and receive so clunky
I mean I like Outlook, but the send and receive dialog just irritates me
Also, I get more email for some reason when I have outlook open.
@oldmud0 I once ran a system a picked up from the curb. Core 2 I believe. Used it for maybe a year before my current ivy bridge box
Dog
Dog
00:53
Wow core 2 is so old it's older than my cat
My home server was a old school HP workstation I picked up from the side of the road. Now it's a Dell C2D model.
Dog
Dog
My home server is a Xeon E3v3
It was the newest xeon you could buy at the time.
It used to be an AMD Sempron
Too bad CPUs can't be upgraded.
Bob
Bob
You just haven't tried hard enough. A hammer helps.
Maybe a chisel too, if it's a BGA one.
(correct operation of CPU post-upgrade is not guaranteed)
Big servers have easily swappable CPUs IIRC
I think I've seen someone switch out a CPU on a normal desktop too, but I'm not sure
01:04
Yea but big servers
Cuz they use backplanes.
But nooooo, thanks to ibm's crap back in the 80s/90s swappable CPUs wasn't made into something standard
Dog
Dog
01:26
Damn, my highest rated answer is still that one which started as basically a snarky comment about a question that wasn't even a real question
01:47
guten jobu!
So it seems that web dev has lower pay than other developer jobs...
However, as with anything in the computing world, you can always learn new skills to move up the ladder and take your existing experience to a higher-paying position.
What, most people are just interested in the cosmetics
Just like how all graphic artists use Macs and Fatoshop
 
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Bob
Bob
03:43
!!tumbleweed
._.
I'm a bit stuck with this questionare. I know the answer if I make an assumption
but I can't seem to confirm it
well what is it?
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@JourneymanGeek heh. gitter/steam?
Steam is probably better
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Bob
03:53
@JourneymanGeek 'cept that's on my phone :P
naw, its probably simple/dumb
go see ;p
 
2 hours later…
Bob
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05:45
!!tumbleweeds
06:42
07:03
The hacking challenge was a success!
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lol
how long did it take them?
was rather short iirc
Sent
falls over
I hope I was right in assuming the last question was a trick question
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o.O
@Bob more than two hours
With lots of hints
The first challenge was actually cracking a WEP connection
Only the guys managed to do it
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@Rahul2001 ... -_-
@Rahul2001 ... ... ... that's not a challenge
that's an instruction-following exercise
with a healthy dose of luck
07:14
@Bob Well, apparently even that is challenging for them
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@Rahul2001 no, see healthy dose of luck
especially if they're using their own equipment
And then this guy's like, 'I don't know PHP!'
And I'm like, 'Well, what the f*ck are you doing in a hacking challenge?'
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i.e. "WEP Cracking" is not a fair challenge
@Bob how so?
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see "healthy dose of luck"
@Rahul2001 There's really several ways it's unfair. If they're using their own equipment and you didn't announce this ahead of time, they might not have a WLAN card capable of monitor mode. They might not have a capable OS prepared.
Apart from that, whether the key is found is somewhat luck-based.
Also, unless you were saturating the connection (to force more packets to be transmitted) then a key could take days to find.
In a timed challenge? "WEP cracking" is more luck and whether you happened to have the equipment, not skill.
07:27
We had wlan cards for them
And bootable Kali usbs
Even desktops if they wanted them...
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Bob
Ah, you provided all equipment? That's better.
Doesn't remove the whole luck factor, but at least it solves equipment.
(The luck factor: there's a random component, so you could have identical dumps and still one machine will finish earlier...)
morning
Hello
@Bob luck is always a factor... I minimised it as much as I could...
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@Rahul2001 heh. I suppose it depends how many people had no idea where to start, and how many did all the right steps but did not find the key anyway.
the latter would simply be unlucky...
07:43
There was no one like that...
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ow.
Dude, it's WEP for God's sake...
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needs more google-fu
@Rahul2001 you realise WEP doesn't exactly transmit passphrases in cleartext?
Most participants started downloading aircrack when they heard the challenge...
@Bob it's still easier than WPA
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there's a reason the attacks are complex statistical analysis, etc.
07:45
> I've been googling for how to do this for over 10 minutes
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@Rahul2001 technically? WPA attacks are simpler
they're also less likely to succeed... but simpler
since they more or less amount to brute-forcing
it smells like it but lacks links
dosen't smell like potted meat product to me
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@Burgi judging by his other answers? no.
just a little low quality then
i will bow to both your superior canine noses
Really? O_O
technically @Bob is vulpine
still a flavour of dog though
NOPE
nope nope nope.
Bob
Bob
07:58
!!tell 31427038 lod
@Burgi ಠ_ಠ
Very different branch of the family tree
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!!tell 31427038 foxno
@Burgi there is a comodo spammer I remember but that was a one off
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Bob
07:59
ah azure....
handy map of the family tree
The biological family Canidae /ˈkænᵻdiː/ is a lineage of carnivorans that includes domestic dogs, wolves, foxes, jackals, dingoes, and many other extant and extinct dog-like mammals. A member of this family is called a canid (/ˈkænᵻd/, /ˈkeɪnᵻd/). The cat-like feliforms and dog-like caniforms emerged within the Carnivoramorpha 43 million years before present. The caniforms included the fox-like Leptocyon genus whose various species existed from 34 million years before present before branching 11.9 million YBP into Vulpini (foxes) and Canini (canines). Canids are found on all continents except...
08:15
Morning peeps
08:29
lol
"a Great Dane which is believed to be the world's tallest met up with Britain's smallest dog "
i propose that we rename SU to dogs.SE
Dog
Dog
Oh god i fail so bad
Dog
Dog
08:48
Argh
I hate cats. This is all their fault.
o.O
@Burgi this should be on meta. Along with renaming chat woof access. On April first.
heh
@Dog you've been a dog less than 24 hours
@Dog what did your fail?
@microbuster hi
@Rahul2001 how are you
08:55
@microbuster very well... How about you?
@Rahul2001 felling cold
are you indian??
just asking
@microbuster don't take it in which way?
Bob
Bob
oh look, it's the South Asian invasion :P
@microbuster I am, as a matter of fact...
@Bob taking to rahul??
@Rahul2001 just asking
Bob
Bob
08:59
no, just a general comment/joke
Fgsfdfsds. Translation work for Magento just took a dive to the deep end >.>
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@Leathe your first mistake was using Magento :P
well I get paid for this, so ehh
@Bob better for you and me
@Bob is "nonce" really a slang term for sexual criminal, or is google translate joking with me?
"An error occurred validating the nonce" WELL THEN.
Dog
Dog
09:01
@Burgi it's still their fault
@Rahul2001 if I told you I'd have to lick you.
now I need to figure out the heck a nonce is, and then find a word for it in Finnish
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@Leathe nah
nonce is a single-use token
In cryptography, a nonce is an arbitrary number that may only be used once. It is similar in spirit to a nonce word, hence the name. It is often a random or pseudo-random number issued in an authentication protocol to ensure that old communications cannot be reused in replay attacks. They can also be useful as initialization vectors and in cryptographic hash function. == Definition == A nonce is an arbitrary number used only once in a cryptographic communication, in the spirit of a nonce word. They are often random or pseudo-random numbers. Many nonces also include a timestamp to ensure e...
Hmm. there doesn't seem to be a direct translation to finnish for that
Okay, that was unnecessarily perverted...
It has several definitions, one of which, as you noted, is UK slang for a prisoner who has been convicted of a particular kind of crime. That comes from "Not On Normal Communal Excercise" as they are in danger of being attacked by other prisoners.

Here ends the English lesson :)
@Leathe
09:16
Oh, that reminds me, I made a new school record
In the English test
34.5/35
She cut marks because you cannot get full in English
@Dog no no. You need to work on your dogging. That is not how you threaten someone.
@Rahul2001 Congrats
Apparently, there's always room for improvement...
@DavidPostill :D
@Rahul2001 Your English is way better than a lot of posters on Super User :)
@DavidPostill :D
@JourneymanGeek lol
Bob
Bob
09:23
@DavidPostill to be fair, I don't think that's a very high bar :P
Dog
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Fail fail fail fail FAIL FAIL
whats up?
Dog
Dog
Wait two and a half months for a doctors appointment... Slept through it.
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Stupid cats. Kept me awake last night
09:32
I find a bucket of cold water normally does the trick :)
you should have set extra alarms
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All. Their. Fault.
I forgot to set even a single alarm.
@Dog that sucks
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ouch
Dog
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Now I'm so pissed off I've lost my glasses and missed work. I hate cats.
09:35
@Dog Use Google keep? Or Google calendar?
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@Rahul2001 kinda a biiiiiit late now, isn't it?
@Dog I have a smartphone. One of the things I like is that I can set an alarm when I enter an appointment in the calendar. That means I can't forget later. It also means my smartphone is smarter than me :)
also does it automatically sometimes
@Dog Maybe your cats secretly plotted all this because you renamed yourself to dog...
@Bob in future?
@JourneymanGeek True. But then I may need to adjust the alarm time to allow for traveling time etc ...
Dog
Dog
09:37
@Rahul2001 I did, didn't help
@Rahul2001 hmm so it's all their fault and they're evil
I need something that's a combination of Khaaaaaaaan and caat. Maybe... khaaaaaaant?
@Dog they just hate traitors...
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Dog
@Rahul2001 I didn't rename myself.
Imagine Dogina 'Doggy' McDogface
2 and a half months for an appointment? dafaq?!
@djsmiley2k exactly my thoughts
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Dog
09:41
@djsmiley2k a) they suck, b) I suck c) cats suck
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This particular surgery has ridiculously long waiting lists on a good day month.
Didn't help that a combination of my holidays plus my doctors holidays meant not being able to make the first few appointments available
wtf
yey
that just autoscrolled
wait oh now it isn't, wtf
CAAAAAAAAAAAT
I think we've had trains for... 25 years? theindependent.sg/… today we learnt.....
o_O
@Dog ah
09:58
ahh, family
"Hey geek, I need you to check up car prices. Sedans, 2.0 liters"
Dog
Dog
@JourneymanGeek emergency halt request button only works when the vehicle has already non-emergency halted.... Uhuh
Car prices in singapore are notoriously variable and the brand we currently own dosen't have a price list.
@Dog NO ONE KNEW ABOUT IT SINCE 1985!
@Dog I always thought it was a "talk to the driver/station control" button
So it's not an emergency stop, it's an emergency stay button
Its safety t word however its spelled
this came out cause a LRT train WENT OUT OF CONTROL
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Dog
Still, nice to see automated train being used to begin with
And heck, once in 30 years? Chances are a human driver falling asleep would have happened at least once during that time.
@Leathe Hah well put
10:01
@Dog grey yellow/circle and other grey blue/downtown lines are self driven
proposes a heel button
Heel train heel. GOOD TRAIN.
Dog
Dog
Wtf weirdo
@Bob ^
@Bob I think I'm good to go, though I might need to break in an hour or so for dinner
10:19
@JourneymanGeek Gerstmann syndrome?
naw
dyslexia
@JourneymanGeek Does that lead to problems knowing left from right?
*knowing left from the other left
@DavidPostill I was born left handed. I was force trained to be right handed
That... messed up some stuff
including possibly worsening my dyslexia
@JourneymanGeek Ah. Me too. I'm now ambidextrous (except for writing - I refused to go along with the arm tied behind the back routine)
Eventually the teachers gave up after many hours of refusing to write right handed.
I can use most tools with either hand for example.
10:25
I solder left handed. I write right handed
but it takes a concious effort to remember the word/side link
so I'll be like GO LEFT... and If I'm not paying attention, I go other left.
Hehe. Reminds me of my driving instuctor:
Intructor: Take the next left.
Me: Right (as in understood, will obey your command)
Instructor: NO. I said LEFT.

I start saying "ACK" after that, to the amusement of the Instructor :)
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Bob
@DavidPostill "roger"
I can't tell left from right... in Chinese
English is perfectly fine
@JourneymanGeek If I had to make a choice I would say I'm left for precision things and right for things requiring strength, but it's not a clear choice/decision.
I can't do crap with my left hand other than type on a keyboard.
Instructor: My name is not ROGER
:)
10:33
I think I might've allocated my ability points wrong. :<
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Bob
lol
I wonder how certain cultures resolve the left hand/right hand distinction dilemma?
When it is really important to know the difference ...
@Leathe And, yes, it was your post that prompted me ... :)

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