Root Access

bwDraco

15:00

You'll need to find a better way to get online soon.

allquixotic

3 hours ago, by allquixotic

https://www.rvmobileinternet.com/breaking-news-verizon-moving-against-unlimited-‌plans/

bwDraco

Hmm. So what are your plans?

Bob

S7: "moisture detected in charging port"

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco really long ethernet cable?

Bob

me:

!!huh?

ChatBot John Cavil

15:02

allquixotic

@bwDraco reddit.com/r/VerizonUDP/comments/4tjo54/…

@Bob iOS 10 is going to add that feature for devices that have a moisture detection sensor, which apparently includes the 6S/6S+ (their software just didn't take advantage of it all this time; weird)

That Brazilian Guy

> You must be 18+ to view this community. You must be at least eighteen years old to view this content. Are you over eighteen and willing to see adult content?

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek WITCHCRAFT!

bwDraco

@Bob That's probably a safety measure to protect against shorts. Consider that QC3.0 allows up tp 20V to be fed through the USB connector.

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy So you're a minor?

I think the NSFW is to account for the amount of swearing that goes on when talking about Verizon unlimited data plans ;)

Journeyman Geek

15:03

@Burgi its got a really tin middle section on the A side. C on the both.

electronbeam

@JourneymanGeek clyp.it/s2pltatt

Voice is still destroyed

Bob

@bwDraco 1. it's QC2.0 only, 2. I know why the feature is there, 3. it's been dry for at least three hours

bwDraco

Hmm. GS7 uses QC2.0 but 12V can still create some big pops.

Journeyman Geek

@electronbeam ahh

Bob

@allquixotic I thought iPhones weren't officially waterproofed?

allquixotic

15:05

isn't this your voice too eb?

Journeyman Geek

heh, You sound vaguely like a friend of mine ;p

allquixotic

How is Babby Formed?

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Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek OKAY...

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 no foul. I would totally be upset if I used KAT a lot.

Bob

@electronbeam ok, that's some amazing range O_O

bwDraco

15:06

Consider that the phone is specified as waterproof and therefore needs protection to prevent an unsafe condition after exposure to water.

Journeyman Geek

but in the context of chat, I think its more to discuss current events, than places to download the latest ~~midget,incest,murder porm/GOT~~ 'linux livecds'

allquixotic

@Bob it's not waterproofing; it's just a sensor that says "you have water in your charging port dummy"

Bob

@allquixotic sounds suspiciously like a sensor that says "haha your warranty is void now"

Journeyman Geek

@Bob they have stickers for that

bwDraco

The phone is designed to cope with brief immersion in water.

Bob

15:07

@JourneymanGeek yea, usually internal

electronbeam

@allquixotic I cannot confirm or deny if I was the one to do said recording

Journeyman Geek

(also, risk of burning out your ports aside, USB C rocks)

@electronbeam you could tell us, but them you'd have to kill us, and that's too much paperwork?

electronbeam

@

@JourneymanGeek suuure, we'll go with that.

Yeah, I think I'm going to audition to work with team fourstar this year.

That Brazilian Guy

Have you ever had a dream like this?

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Bob

@electronbeam Oh, did you hear back from Robot?

electronbeam

15:13

@Bob not yet, they are in the process of moving to a new office building, so I'm pretty sure that's taking precedence right now

Bob

ah

fingers crossed, then? :P

@JourneymanGeek ^ in QC2.0 mode

allquixotic

Dramatic Reading Of A Break-Up Letter

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Journeyman Geek

@Bob VOOC has a higher current.

I thought QC bumped up the voltage as well

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I think this is either 5V-equivalent or current into battery

Dot Dot Dot (Official Video HD)

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bwDraco

lol @ "you have water in your charging port dummy"

Journeyman Geek

15:17

@Bob allegedly the OP3's now got issues with massive battery drain

but its sporadic and mine's fine

Bob

lol

you have a newer build

I should probably update

Journeyman Geek

@Bob well, I did only get this phone last week

Bob

I'm still on APDN; APF2 is out apparently

yea I'm about a month behind

*shrug*

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek What app is this?

Bob

Ampere

Journeyman Geek

15:21

@bwDraco ampere

bwDraco

Installing...

Journeyman Geek

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A: How do I work out if a USB C cable is safe to use?

I did a bit of homework on the subject - I don't have the equipment to definitively check for safety yet but there's a handful of things I noticed with my own experiments. For most part, this issue seems to be with USB C to USB 2.0 type A cables. They misidentify themselves to certain phones - t...

HackToHell

ooh

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco you have a current gen nexus no?

bwDraco

Nexus 5X.

electronbeam

15:23

@allquixotic stop telling everyone all the dank memes I'm personally responsible for >_>

HackToHell

Also fck YAML

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco play.google.com/store/apps/… is handy for quick USB C testing then

HackToHell

I wonder how much my charger gives

It's rated 2 A

bwDraco

I have several different chargers on hand. Note that I don't usually use the supplied 3A charger as that requires a USB Type-C to Type-C cable, which the only one I have is supplied with the phone.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco the point for me was to test cables

bwDraco

15:26

I usually use 1.5A or 2A chargers; the phone's software is smart enough to only pull as much power as it can safely draw.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco incorrect

electronbeam

@JourneymanGeek but yeh - my voice is weird.

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek ?

I have root and can pull up dmesg messages. It'll actually show that it determined that x amount of power was safe to draw.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco it uses the resistors on the cable to work that out. A bad USB cable would report you can draw more, and burn out the other end

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek ...not merely the cable. Different chargers behave differently.

Journeyman Geek

15:29

@bwDraco is totally the cable.

bwDraco

My phone never attempted to draw more power than the charger is rated for.

Rahul2001

reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4twsyx/…

Journeyman Geek

> Unfortunately some USB-C cables have been made with the incorrect resistor, typically only 10k ohm, which means that it is possible for the device to draw more power than the plug can safely supply or potentially for the plug to push more power than the device can take. Others are wired incorrectly, which could destroy whatever they are plugged into.

Rahul2001

> I am not a fan of the show. It's a comedy, so it has to amp up aspects of character to produce laughs. That's fine, and I have no problems with that. But the aspects of character they mostly focus on are social awkwardness.
The most deeply brilliant people I've ever met are not socially awkward, at all.
I find the stereotypical characterization of scientists as socially awkward (even for laughs) deeply offensive, as I think it detracts talented people from the field -- including women.

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Oddly enough, my phone has never had issues with arbitrary chargers.

Journeyman Geek

15:31

@bwDraco using proper, quality cables no?

bwDraco

I'm using a Griffin Technology cable.

Journeyman Geek

da

bwDraco

I know this is a good brand. Made their name during the days of the 30-pin iPod dock connector.

Journeyman Geek

I have 2 random DX ones, and a nice looking one I got from a random vendor in sim lim square who had large piles of random cables.

HackToHell

It draws just 840 mA

:/

max of 290 from my laptop

bwDraco

15:33

My phone's battery is at 70% right now so it's not going to charge at maximum current.

HackToHell

And I have a Li-poly battery instead of Li-ion

Don't Li-polys explode more

bwDraco

So you folks bought out the ads on Ampere?

I'm looking into it given that it isn't expensive...

HackToHell

And 140 from usb 2.0, 290 from usb 3.0 :(

Journeyman Geek

I did. I had a bunch of Google play credit from a card and ended up getting that and a few other things.

HackToHell

Also everyone try out pantheon

it's better that everything else*

The file manager that comes with it <3

That Brazilian Guy

15:37

@HackToHell pantheon.io ?

HackToHell

*- Add a grain of salt

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco typically Android apps are cheap, and if I use em a lot, always nice to support the dev.

bwDraco

I have a few paid apps (my GPS monitoring and auto brightness apps are paid) but not all that many.

HackToHell

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A: What kinds of desktop environments and shells are available?

Pantheon Pantheon is the desktop shell made for use in elementary OS Luna and later. It can also be set up for use in Ubuntu, however. Features The top panel is called the WingPanel. It's similar to a mix between the GNOME 2 and GNOME Shell panels. Slingshot is the application launcher Pant...

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco annoyingly there's no paid adfree version of the GPS monitoring app that I like best.

That Brazilian Guy

15:41

As a side-effect of having AdAway installed on my rooted android, most app ADs are simply not shown. Although If it's both not expensive and an app I really like, I try to pay for it to support the devs.

bwDraco

I use MobiWIA's GPS Status & Toolbox.

Journeyman Geek

Androits shows which satellite are Chinese American and Soviet.

Bob

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eclipsim.gpsstatus2

Also shows which gnss system

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek OMG CONSPIRACY!!!!

bwDraco

@ThatBrazilianGuy WP Engine runs on Linode infrastructure. Pantheon uses a container system, probably on top of bare metal.

Journeyman Geek

15:45

@Bob vaguely.

That Brazilian Guy

@bwDraco I still have to wrap my head around some of those concepts

Bob

Oh wait it just shows gps and glonass. no beidou yet

bwDraco

Linode happens to be my hosting provider.

Journeyman Geek

It shows beidu too

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek Wait what, is there a Baidu satellite? WTF?!

Journeyman Geek

15:48

Beidu sats have numbers over 200

mr enigma

why wont my noce STOP running!!

That Brazilian Guy

Does a Baidu satellite tracks you and follows you around no matter what you do and shows up everywhere and it's impossible to get rid of?

Journeyman Geek

Sadly. No

Or it's really sneaky.

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek But srsly now, what's Beidu? Google only shows me Baidu.

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek ooh what app

Also doesn't GLONASS sats show yo ?

That Brazilian Guy

15:52

yesterday, by Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy lol another judge is trying to take down Whatsapp in Brazil.

@MichaelFrank Yeah, for the fifth time this year. Basically people now just shrugh and say, "again"?

HackToHell

Brazil is weird

That Brazilian Guy

I can track when WhatsApp has been blocked because of the sudden influx of Telegram signup notifications.

This time it got blocked at 2pm and then it was already unblocked at 8pm

cat

!!caaat

ChatBot John Cavil

cat

@Bob My guess is he means USB superposition

That Brazilian Guy

15:54

Although I tend to notice because usually I have VPN turned on and

Journeyman Geek

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou_Navigation_Satellite_System

cat

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell glonass are the ones with the Russian flags. Numbered 80 onwards.

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek ahh what app

That Brazilian Guy

That, and my workplace talks directly to the root DNS servers so ISP-issued DNS blocks have no effect here. (Or so I heard)

Journeyman Geek

15:55

Hm. 69 and up?

cat

@Bob APD3 was the lastest I could find a couple weeks ago :-/

mr enigma

lol

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell androits GPS test.

cat

@Bob It "shows" all of them. Android's API already distinguishes them by using different number ranges

@Bob They weren't officially, they did do a sorta half-arsed attempt at it in practice though

@Burgi [citation needed]

Journeyman Geek

@cat @Bob. I've seen beidu sats before. Just not today.

cat

16:01

ORLY

Are they in hiding "today"?

Bob

@cat ah. App is documented as showing circles for gps and rectangles for glonass... Beidou isn't in the docs

cat

@Bob Oh

It also shows numbers for them and we already know what the numbers are... meh

Bob

And I cbf getting out of bed to test

If I even have bd reception here

cat

Yeah what's the deal with it not working today

Journeyman Geek

@cat in bed. Suboptimal place to snoop.

cat

16:03

Its supposed to have global coverage, so it only works when the Chinese military want to track someone or what?

Journeyman Geek

Not global yet.

Erf

djsmiley2k

hey o/

Journeyman Geek

@cat see Wikipedia article I linked earlier.

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek ahh

Journeyman Geek

I also have a full licence of GPS Status & Toolbox

Burgi

16:13

@cat Stephen Fry, QI

struggling to google "mammal nipples" in work for some reason....

HackToHell

I have Nova Premium \m/

Journeyman Geek

o0

cat

@JourneymanGeek Wikipedia article says there's supposed to be global coverage, nothing about it not working unless the Chinese military want to track someone

djsmiley2k

Mammal nipples, as opposed to what...

cat

Woo, only 4 seconds to refresh my wiki's groups page now, down from, 15 minutes >_>

djsmiley2k

16:21

the only other thing i an think of, is those things that have milk 'patches'

Journeyman Geek

@cat eventually

cat

Removing 11,000 groups helped a bit

Journeyman Geek

Its not fully rolled out yet

cat

Wiki page says at least 19 sats are launched, but coverage info hasn't been updated for 4 years

20 operational if you go to another page

Given you can usually see 10+ of GPS' 30 satellites from any point on earth I'm surprised if there's any time when you couldn't see at least one of the 20 operational BDS'

Heck if they're going to get a minimum of 4 visible at all times from the final set of 35 it would be highly improbable to be unable to pick up a single one out of 20 unless there's some military tampering going on

Especially in your case, when you should have had at least 4+ sat coverage since 2012. Heck you're right in the middle of the 2012 coverage area, you should be getting like, all of them

Journeyman Geek

I think I've seen 2-3 ? Also I'm indoors, lots of concrete ;p

I'll check during walkies

bwDraco

16:53

I'll see if I can pull up Ampere in a bit. I plugged in my mechanical keyboard into the phone via a USB Type-C to Type-A adapter to try to drain it a bit faster...

(The keyboard actually has a Y-cable but it draws nowhere near enough power to overload a single port during normal use.)

I'm not exactly fond of this keyboard's thick-as-hell cable harness.

Got loads of stuff to do as we prepare to move to another home.

dpreview.com/news/0400018162/…

wow.

All this work, but then again, this is a US$400k car we're talking about here...

Climbing the social ladder is hard as hell these days and there is so much for me to learn and do...

I hope my phone does not go up in flames :\

electronbeam

@JourneymanGeek so was my rick even that bad?

Rahul2001

17:12

Okay, not yet...

djsmiley2k

social ladder?

@Rahul2001 I didn't see what you typed

but the answer is likely 'very nearly, we went in this morning but not quite there yet'

The midwife we saw reckoned we'd be back before she finished at 8

it's 6

I reckon it's going to be a 4am jobby

bwDraco

Ouch!

Mokubai

@bwDraco 50? Pah. Barely getting lukewarm

bwDraco

At that point, I'm actually concerned about damaging the battery

Mokubai

With the cpu at 50? unless the whole thing is at 50+ for extremely long durations I doubt the battery is getting anywhere near as hot as the CPU

Get something that tells you CPU and battery temperatures.

bwDraco

17:25

I haven't checked battery temps, sorry

Mokubai

bwDraco

Battery down to 9%, let's fire up Ampere and plug in the fast charger.

Once again, I don't usually use the fast charger.

Mokubai

Any reason?

bwDraco

Would rather not deal with yet another charger and cable.

I usually use a 2A charger and a good USB Type-A to Type-C cable.

This lets me use my existing chargers and power banks.

I generally don't need fast charging anyway.

cat

!!caat

bwDraco

17:30

It's unusual for me to drain the battery below 20%.

ChatBot John Cavil

Mokubai

@bwDraco It's unusal for me to get below 60% tbh

bwDraco

I usually try to keep it at or above 50%.

cat

@Mokubai Lol 50'c is just fine for the battery

My whole phone was up to 65'c the other day... still charged fine.

Mokubai

@cat I know, but even the CPU getting to 50 isn't a big shocker

cat

17:32

LiIon batteries need to be over 150, often 200'c+ before they'll spontaneously combust

bwDraco

I also carry a large power bank with me so I'm noy typically under pressure to charge my phone ASAP.

cat

@Mokubai Yeah, mine gets to 70'c+ under load, though it seems to throttle down to 60'c after a few minutes (long duration thermal throttle?)

bwDraco

@cat High temps reduce service life, and that's what I'm worried about.

cat

Seeing as desktop CPU's don't throttle till 100'c and can survive 120'c+ 50'c isn't a shocker, it's non-event.

bwDraco

I know Li-ion cells are specified for operation at up to 70 C.

Mokubai

17:34

@cat Aye, most high end chips do that these days from what I can tell

bwDraco

@cat The problem is the surface temperature of the device.

Mokubai

You get about 5-10 minutes of peak performance, then the thermals cut it down

cat

Sounds about right. I do get peak clocks for longer if I submerge the phone (i.e. watercooling)

I think the CPU is rated to use about 5-6w at full pelt, almost on par with a Core M

bwDraco

Also:

Jan 31 at 1:53, by bwDraco

Directly heat-sinking the SoC to a metal case, however, could cause the surface of the phone to get dangerously hot (potentially hot enough to cause burns with just a few seconds of contact).

Jan 31 at 1:57, by bwDraco

HTC One M9, with Snapdragon 810, reaches dangerously high temperatures under load

That Brazilian Guy

Guess how much I just paid for this meal:

Mokubai

17:37

@ThatBrazilianGuy £3.50

Ben N

$10?

bwDraco

US$20?

DavidPostill

21.67 Brazilian Real?

That Brazilian Guy

2 BRL / 0.61 USD / 0.46 GBP

Mokubai

¥25,000

DavidPostill

17:39

Subsidised canteen?

That Brazilian Guy

@DavidPostill Bingo!

bwDraco

Huh. Not often do you get things this cheap in Brazil.

cat

Damn Brazil's cheap

I should move there.

Also lots of Brazilians. Some say that's an advantage.

bwDraco

!!/wiki Brazil cost

ChatBot John Cavil

Brazil cost

Brazil Cost (Portuguese: Custo Brasil [ˈkustu bɾɐˈziw]) refers to the increased operational costs associated with doing business in Brazil, making Brazilian goods and services more expensive compared to other countries. There are several factors that contribute to the extra cost, including: High levels of public deficits; The economy divided into cartels; Inefficiency of public services; Maintenance of high real interest rates; Exaggerated net interest spread of financial institutions (among the highest in the world); Excessive bureaucracy for importing and exporting, creating difficulties for...

That Brazilian Guy

17:43

@cat Except it is far from cheap. It would easily be eight times more expensive, if not for the subsizes... subdicizes... subdivides.... sub-zero wins.... I mean, government-injected money

cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy Lol but the reason obesity is so high is because food is cheap!

That Brazilian Guy

@cat What @bwDraco just posted x over eight thousand

cat

Or so I'm told

8 times more expensive than 2 BRL is 16 BRL no?#

That's still dirt cheap

Costs me like 35 BRL to get a meal at work

bwDraco

@cat I put a cold pack on my phone during benchmarks.

That Brazilian Guy

@cat For you, you provileged brit

cat

17:45

@ThatBrazilianGuy Having to pay 35 BRL for shitty student food isn't much of a privilege

Mokubai

@bwDraco You spend enough time benchmarking that you have a cold-pack for it?

That Brazilian Guy

4 mins ago, by cat

Also lots of Brazilians. Some say that's an advantage.

Some people are also on drugs.

cat

Costs about 90 BRL to get a decent takeaway :-/

@ThatBrazilianGuy Me too!

Are drugs cheap?

That Brazilian Guy

I paid BRL 45 for 16 pieces of sushi + takeaway. I consider that a fair price, not cheap neither too expensive.

@cat I have no idea. I could ask a few friends, but I prefer not doing that over the internet.

bwDraco

No, that was a while ago, but I always keep a cold pack in the fridge.

Mokubai

17:49

@bwDraco I keep beer and chocolate in the fridge, sometime actual food goes in there too.

bwDraco

Something is wrong here.

Could be high battery temperature.

Unlocked the PRO version of Ampere. Widget and notification come in very handy :)

Not a bad deal for US$1.12.

That Brazilian Guy

@cat The best scenario is working for a first world employer and paying local prices.

I have a couple friends who work like that

bwDraco

Also installed on my Nexus 9.

Don't Root here plz...

There are two tags [windows-linux-subsystem] and [linux-subsystem-windows]. Which one should I use? They both refer to the Windows Subsystem for Linux...

Ben N

18:06

I think the official name of the features is Windows Subsystem for Linux

DavidPostill

They should be synonyms. We need a mod for that . Maybe @Mokubai can do that for us?

Ben N

They should definitely be synonymized, but all my answers in the tag are on the wrong side -_-

IMO windows-linux-subsystem makes more sense to become the master tag. It has two more questions and a better tag wiki

Looks like it's done :)

Canadian Luke

@Burgi Did you get that image from iFunny?

Mokubai

@BenN someone had suggested it already, I just approved and merged.

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek What's the H in the notification bar? It looks like your phone is using Dash Charge...

Mokubai

18:20

@bwDraco Looks like the humble bundle app notification

bwDraco

Ah.

DavidPostill

@Mokubai Thanks!

bwDraco

Hmm. So OnePlus implements rapid charging rather differently. Instead of increasing voltage, it drives very high current to the phone...

oneplus.net/3/dashcharge

...in order to enable high-speed charging even when the phone is under load.

That explains the insane charging current you're getting here.

Canadian Luke

My friend ordered the OP3, I'm going to see how he likes it before I buy another OP product... I wasn't happy at all about the OP2

bwDraco

...and it's not sending 5V USB to the phone. The phone's actually negotiating with the charger to drive power directly to the battery at the correct voltage. Wow.

No step-down regulation in the phone when using Dash Charge. The charger drives power straight into the battery.

> Dash Charge carries more current than other fast charging solutions, and at lower temperatures. Normally, heat generated through charging is dissipated in the phone itself - this causes performance issues during active charging, throttling CPU and GPU speeds. By shifting the power management system and heat dispersion elements to our Dash Charge Adapter, very little heat ever reaches your OnePlus 3.

20 watts!

Faster than Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0!

Mighty impressive.

Well, that explains the need for not only a special charger, but also a special cable. We're talking about insane currents here.

...yup. Temperature explains why my phone was charging very slowly.

cat

18:36

@ThatBrazilianGuy Yeah that'd be nice

I had a friend that almost did that in Thailand

Food, accomodation, transport was all like 1/4 the cost, but he was getting paid like 1/2 western game developer money

@BenN That's a stupid name for a Linux Subsystem for Windows

Ben N

It really is, and it's why I incorrectly chose Reject on a good tag wiki edit (which later went through, fortunately)

cat

Then again Unix subsystem for Windows was also called Windows Services for UNIX so Microsoft has been using stupid naming for quite some time

That Brazilian Guy

@cat I have a friend who works for Automattic (WordPress owners) as suport. He earns about 4k USD / month. Might not sound much, but it's nearly 16k BRL / month, or 20 times minimum wage.

cat

4K USD a month... at today's exchange rate that's more than me!

And I have to pay rich white people prices :-/

Oh sweet, our £1 billion nuclear submarine, HMS Ambush, got ambushed by a fishing boat

Our nuclear deterrent... got deterred by a little scratch. And is now out of service.

bwDraco

cnn.com/2016/07/21/europe/uk-nuclear-submarine-collision

That's rather silly.

anandtech.com/show/10411/the-oneplus-3-review/6

Notice that the charge power rises gradually until it hits about 65%. This is unusual behavior; most will drop gradually as charging processes, then drop off quickly as the battery nears a full charge.

This most likely means constant current, rising voltage—consistent with voltage regulation in the charger when using Dash Charge. The charger is driving power directly into the battery.

This is the exact opposite of what Qualcomm's doing: high voltage for stable, high-speed power delivery over less expensive cabling at the cost of the phone having to dissipate more heat.

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