Root Access

bwDraco

02:00

Hang on. There's a lot of images to look at.

Journeyman Geek

oh, nvm, just magic smoke

Ariane

On the chip? What chip?

Journeyman Geek

the one next to the soot

its a ST

oldmud0

look at that 660 ti

so wealthy

Journeyman Geek

the one on the right here i.imgur.com/yVqkL6r.jpg

smacks @oldmud0

bwDraco

02:02

That's a failed microcontroller of some sort.

Journeyman Geek

ya

Ariane

Wealthy?

Journeyman Geek

if you can google the markings you can tell what it is

amusingly if you're crazy enough, that's probably fixable.

Ariane

Grr

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane you're being trolled.

Ariane

02:03

I'd need a magnifier

Journeyman Geek

that or @oldmud0 internets on a hamster powered apple II

@Ariane anyway

oldmud0

Journeyman Geek

your case is fine

oldmud0

see how poor I am

Ariane

Wait I'm upside down I think

bwDraco

02:03

It's lying beneath the VRM section of the board (which is under a heatsink and on the opposite side of the socket from the memory slots).

This is a VRM failure.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Ariane

67439218

I could read that off the chip

oldmud0

soldering, or replace entire motherboard like any consumerist would do?

Journeyman Geek

@oldmud0 you'd need to find the part + fine pitch SMT soldering.

@Ariane errrrr googling it isn't finding anything ._.

bwDraco

The burned-out part on the back of the board is a MOSFET driver.

Ariane

02:06

Above that is a logo. I think it's uppercase italic ST on a black parallelogram

Journeyman Geek

so, not the case.

yup

ST's the brand

Michael Frank

lol guy pirates software, then asks why it isn't working:

-2

Q: No terraria folder in My Games

So i have this weird error where when i downloaded terraria 1.3.1.1 off of IGG there is no terraria folder in My Games, and i can't run terraria. It just says "Terraria has stopped working" and that's it.

terraria

Ariane

So. What's aVRM failure?

Journeyman Geek

ah

@Ariane voltage regulator module

basically converts 12V to something else

oldmud0

I keep finding "how to repair VMM section of motherboard in hindi"

Journeyman Geek

02:07

ah

alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/216224/STMICROELECTRONICS/…

oldmud0

talk about indian tech support at its work

Ariane

Huh. So what's the root cause ?

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane if you can get one of these...

@Ariane poor design, partially

Ariane

Of the motherboard?

Journeyman Geek

yup

oldmud0

02:08

you'd have to get a fistful of those right

Ariane

I'm kinda wondering how it ever did work

Journeyman Geek

@oldmud0 presumably

bwDraco

well. The burned out part is not the chip itself but something next to it. The MOSFET is generally the hottest component of a VRM and is therefore the part most likely to burn out under an overload condition.

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane either it was gradual degradation then BOOM

bwDraco

The MOSFET itself is on the front side of the board (again, beneath the heatsink). The MOSFET drivers are the STMicro chips on the back.

Ariane

02:09

But no I'm but crazy enough to attempt a repair. I needed to upgrade anyway.

Psycogeek

@Ariane you know with everything else cooled proper the voltage regulation area can be hotter than anything on the board. sometimes i see people putting water coolers on, ignoring the air that used to go across that area.

allquixotic

@Ariane heh, Louis Rossmann would want you to try to repair :P unfortunately you probably need equipment and parts you don't have and aren't worth a one-off repair usually

Bob

@allquixotic well, it's only SMT

not BGA thankfully

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic actually, looks like something you can do with steady hands and a non shit soldering iron

bwDraco

Not worth it. Replacing something like a MOSFET on a motherboard is not exactly easy (but not impossible).

Bob

02:10

you can get a decent enough repair with the good ol' tack technique

oldmud0

prerequisites: lv. 20 soldering, lots of research, uhhhh an EE degree

bwDraco

Given the amount of damage visible, it's likely temperatures were high enough to have damaged some of the PCB traces which would make it non-repairable.

Ariane

Hahaha you people are awesome. I'm pretty confident even at the repair ship they wouldn't go as far as think about fixing an actual motherboard

Bob

there's an eevblog video on that somewhere

@Ariane most repair shops simply don't care

oldmud0

Repair ship? I'd like to go to one of those

Yes please clippy help me to go to one of those.

bwDraco

02:12

Power MOSFETs can get very, very hot, like any other semiconductor device.

Ariane

Gaha

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco the part looks like its about a dollar

Bob

why waste time diagnosing and sourcing parts?

Ariane

Clippy <3

Bob

@Ariane look, they came up with the "case short-circuited it" excuse

Journeyman Geek

02:12

problem I see here is @Ariane needs to identify the exact part/subpart

since there's a bunch of variations of it

Bob

I wouldn't trust that repair shop if they told me water was wet

Ariane

Hahahahhaha

oldmud0

@Bob you wouldn't trust any repair shop

Ariane

So basically my power bars aren't the problem

Bob

@oldmud0 true that

Ariane

02:13

I re

Bob

well maybe Louis :P

bwDraco

@Bob Why not "even" in "...repair shop [even] if they told me..."?

oldmud0

why? because you are the repair shop!

bwDraco

en-AU difference? (I live in New York, so I write and speak in en-US.)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob in their defence, more often than not, I would probably do the same ;p

unless I'm bored

oldmud0

02:14

@bwDraco looks like you're missing a language pack. Probably find it in i18n.stackexchange.com

Bob

@JourneymanGeek true, it's not worth their time to ID and fix it

bwDraco

lol

Journeyman Geek

@Bob and stocking parts and...

Ariane

I bought a power bar and battery powerbar for little reason then. I figured they had failed to protect me against a surge. Well given their age and value they probably didn't protect much anyway.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek still, would've taken a minute to say "this chip is fried. replace the mobo"

but the case "short-circuited" it?!

bwDraco

02:15

@Ariane This is not a power surge. This is a motherboard component failure. A MOSFET that is part of the VRM burned out.

Ariane

Figured as much

Well new protective equipment probably won't hurt

Bob

I mean there is the very very minute minuscule chance that the case did interfere somehow

bwDraco

Power MOSFETs on a motherboard operate under very high stress and are one of the first parts to fail on modern motherboards (it used to be the capacitors, but the shift to high-quality Japanese caps has mitigated this).

Bob

in a magical world where unicorns exist

oldmud0

You know how random stuff happens to planes and they crash? Well same thing for motherboards

Ariane

02:16

Although I'm pretty sure I didn't need the battery one they sold me. I'm weak to salespeople.

Also i need to mention this is the most trusted shop in the city. Wouldn't want to know about the others

oldmud0

trusted by whom? iPhone consumerists?

Michael Frank

@Ariane That's not what's on the front door is it?

Ariane

By rumors I guess.

oldmud0

"oh please please please repair my broken s6 please please please"

Ariane

People tend to go there and say the competitor doesn't even have actual technicians

oldmud0

02:18

gosh what does it take to repair s6 glass? industrial equipment? giant induction furnaces?

Bob

uhm

that's not exactly a shining endorsement

Ariane

I'm doing what I can D:

Bob

but, yea, I'd just replace the mobo

Ariane

Well I didn't go to, like, Best Buy, so I'm probably a level above

oldmud0

even if the first repair shop ever devised an industrial tool to replace iPhone glass, it'd be obsolete in a few months

Bob

02:19

but you're looking at new builds anyway :P

Ariane

Understood. No need for a case replacement then. I'm relieved. I think my case looks pretty good.

oldmud0

with the iPhone 7, it's flat as a pancake. Probably everything is literally welded together.

Bob

@Ariane lol

oldmud0

Including the SIM card.

Bob

yea, your case should be fine

oldmud0

02:21

Unlocking the iPhone 7 could even involve unwelding something mechanical.

I had something morbid I wanted to say, but I'd rather not..

Ariane

Well then. So the memory, fine as long as it's 2133 or more. Now then. What about the cooler? Someone commented but I forgot

oldmud0

Something involving the ashes of Steve Jobs being scattered across the dies of every Apple processor

Ariane

Tfw everyone else at my work prefers Apple stuff. Can't even badmouth them for fun anymore.

oldmud0

A single particle of ash is a necessary component to power an Apple processor

Journeyman Geek

lol

oldmud0

02:25

So I asked, "Which is a crazier idea: making a tape drive out of a VCR, or making a portable water condenser out of a windmill and an air conditioner?"

Apparently, the response was "the latter."

Journeyman Geek

actually, a phone repair place would be a better option for something like this

oldmud0

So, I think I will do the former

Psycogeek

@Ariane if your not overclocking that same cooler will work.

oldmud0

I want to build a network cable out of duct tape

Ariane

Which one is best? The water one or the air one? My friend said the air one would work better

Journeyman Geek

02:26

@Bob heh, I'd fix something like that our of boredom.

@Ariane air cooling is more practical, tbh

there's SOME situations where a self contained cooler would be nice, say if you lived somewhere dusty and need to blow out your HS often

Ariane

How so? I've never tried water cooling so I've no idea

Psycogeek

@Ariane the one you have the 212, what is wrong with using it again? it is said to fit

oldmud0

I live somewhere dusty, no thanks to my cat

Journeyman Geek

air cooling is basically one big radiator atop your CPU

Ariane

Eh my apartment is dusty but IO never clean thus stuff

oldmud0

02:28

I stroke her and she gives back a giant clobber of hair

Ariane

It fits? I figured I'd definitely have to change it if I changed my processor

Journeyman Geek

water cooling is a waterblock where a fan normally is, so the heat is moved out by the water and vented out

@Ariane CPU heatsink mounts haven't changed much

so its worth checking

Ariane

How do I know?

Psycogeek

the holes line up

Bob

@Ariane you should come work here :P

Ariane

02:31

Eh. That sounds hard to know beforehand.

@Bob where? Why?

oldmud0

@Bob you should come work here

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane google the heatsink model and the socket? ;p

or use the stock heatsink

which is good enough

Ariane

Ah sure

Bob

@Ariane Badmouthing Apple is just fine here :D

oldmud0

now hiring at: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/118/root-access

Ariane

02:33

@Bob aaaah sounds fun

oldmud0

remember the terraria question? it still hasn't been closed

Ariane

Lemme go search a bit for that heatsink and chipset. Might take a while in y phone

oldmud0

in fact nobody has bothered to downvote it either

Ariane

Aha. It fits.

Will my processor come with thermal paste?

Bob

...guys next cube over are talking about becoming... Pokemon masters? Did I her that right?!

Ariane

02:37

Pokemon go?

Bob

I guess?

Ariane

Sounds good.

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane no, you'd need to buy some

Ariane

Well @Psycogeek just saved me $70.

Ah poop. My previous one came with it. Not this one I guess. I'll order a tube.

Bob

LOL

blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20160707-00/?p=93835

Was this you, @Psycogeek?

> the customer explained that the default is so plain, so they took the High Contrast theme and made it more colorful. Personally, I think their new theme looks hideous, with garish colors everywhere, but hey, Hot Dog Stand is a thing, so who am I to say.

Ariane

02:40

So. On to the last thing I wanted to ask. The graphics card. Where do I even start? D:

Bob

@Ariane With a budget.

Journeyman Geek

pretty much

Ariane

Right now since my bank -er, friend- agreed to lend me money absolute price isn't a major issue. I'm just looking for the best price per year of effective use

Psycogeek

@Bob naw i dont want a black and white theme, i want a black background, with Every Other color on top of it.

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane now's a wierd time since the next gen is coming out

if I was buying a midrange card now, a 1060 looks good

Bob

02:42

> made it more colorful

:P

Ariane

1060 sounds like a good year to price ratio?

Bob

@Ariane yea, if you want perf/$, midrange tends to be best. sometimes AMD if your PSU can cope with it

oldmud0

where is mass customization for win10

Bob

I'd avoid the 480 if you wanted a card now because there are reports of excessive PCIe power draw frying some mobos...

oldmud0

huhhhhhh not here.......

Ariane

02:44

My psu is 660 W. I guess it's probably OK.

oldmud0

seriously, why doesn't M$ just give us ultimate customization control already?

Bob

when someone says "M$" I just can't take them seriously anymore

Ariane

Maybe they want to keep control over it for some reason

Bob

same way I don't say "CrApple", etc

oldmud0

@Bob you couldn't take me seriously regardless of anything

Bob

02:46

@Ariane -100 point feature hole

oldmud0

But I do tell my friends, "why are you using internet exploder? close that crap and open mozzarella fearfox"

3

Bob

@Ariane technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dn167709.aspx

oldmud0

why is it asking me for my password

wtf, microsoft website is so weird

Bob

because you logged in to one of their sites at some point and their SSO solution is dumb as all hell

Ariane

Hmmmm so um... The next generation you mentioned. You're talking about the nvidia 11 series? Didn't think that was on the horizon yet

Journeyman Geek

02:49

@Ariane 10 series

Ariane

@Bob thanks for the link. Interesting.

@JourneymanGeek that's not already out?

Journeyman Geek

but typically a midrange 60 suffix nvidia card's a good card

oldmud0

and then when you click on back, it just takes you to their SSO redirect

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane not yet

Bob

@oldmud0 private browsing gets around it

Ariane

02:50

So I can't buy a 1060, can I?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob eh, @oldmud0's been low grade trolling

oldmud0

how is that low-grade trolling

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane tbh, I'd wait a bit, use your current 660 till it comes out

Its a good enough card

Bob

lol

speaking from experience? :P

Journeyman Geek

@oldmud0 oh, on the whole. Its low grade cause you haven't been annoying enough to kick

Bob

02:51

heck, I could still use my 560, probably

Journeyman Geek

@Bob my 660's still in use somewhere ;p

Bob

though I really want a 1080 for 4k -_-

Journeyman Geek

and it replaced a 760 amusingly enough

(for the guy I sold it to)

only reason I went with my 980TI was 4k

Bob

o.O

@JourneymanGeek now that just makes no sense

I went from 560 to 760 :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob his apparently failed, and it was RMAed

Ariane

02:52

@JourneymanGeek I'm in a weird place. The loan for the computer parts has my old graphics card as interest. I'm seriously wondering what I should do.

Journeyman Geek

ah

oldmud0

if you kick me, you'll probably make my ligands slosh around and before you know it, I'll start posting depressing 1000-word blog posts again

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane I suppose a 960 would be decent but the next generation is significantly better

@oldmud0 or you could contribute constructively to the discussion.

Ariane

When's it coming out?

Journeyman Geek

apparently mid july

say august?

oldmud0

02:53

Well I'm trying to make a new discussion because I'm out of date with what is new

Why? Because I can't afford what is new.

Journeyman Geek

@oldmud0 that's being disruptive tbh

@Ariane I donno how much the delay for canada is

Ariane

Sounds like my friend could wait for that little while. That's like 3 weeks

Journeyman Geek

yup

but sometimes there's a delay per country

Ariane

It doesn't come out at the same time everywhere?

Journeyman Geek

and I donno what that is

In theory, yes

in practice, there's a lot of variables

Bob

02:55

The spacecraft will be quite thoroughly sterilized by its extremely high-speed entry into the Jovian atmosphere. — Mark Adler 2 days ago

When I said thoroughly sterilized, I meant thoroughly sterilized. All RNA, DNA, and proteins would be broken up by the intense heat. — Mark Adler 2 days ago

We don't risk that at all. As I said a few comments ago, as a result of the incredibly high speed entry into Jupiter's atmosphere, any hitchhiking organisms and biological molecules on Juno will be not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead. The same could not be said for an impact on an icy moon, which would break up the spacecraft, but not sterilize it. — Mark Adler 2 days ago

I'm not getting across how hot everything will get. Over 1000C. All carbon-carbon bonds will be broken. There will no biological structures left. Period. — Mark Adler yesterday

Ariane

Huuuuh. In terms of geographical proximity Canada shouldn't be too long.

Bob

:D

Ariane

But how come we only have a general idea of the release date?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek IIRC the 960 isn't a massive improvement over the 760.

While the 760 is close-ish to a toned-down 680.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob 6gb of vram tho

Bob

02:57

videocardbenchmark.net/…

960 mostly reduced power consumption

oldmud0

Well, I'll go exile myself back to solitude and misery and loneliness like I have done for the past four years. Bye

Ariane

That sounds rather sad. Bye.

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