Root Access

Ariane

00:00

4 years on a pretty cheap LG screen... Yep. Probably only has another year to go

Bob

I still have a 17" LG screen from ... uh. Not even sure if it was this millennium.

It just won't die.

bwDraco

AMD is targeting the mainstream, focusing on a market segment that NVIDIA has not released new parts for.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco Nvidia's always released the top end stuff first

bwDraco

@Bob We had a CRT that dated back to 1996 and failed about 10-15 years later.

Journeyman Geek

lol

bwDraco

00:03

We had a 12 GB Maxtor hard drive from 1999 fail after 14 years of service.

Simon Sheehan

@bwDraco I have a 40GB maxtor hard drive that is not dead yet :p

Journeyman Geek

I have a small pile of probably undead HGSTs...

Ariane

CRTse were tough. I only threw away my 1988 TV becauseI didn't know where to put it after my mom gave me her old HD one. It was awesome. It doubled as a shelf. XD

Journeyman Geek

lol

there's a lot of interest in CRTs now

Its the vinyl of hipster gamers ;p

Ariane

Ha. My teacher says she actually has an HD CRT TV. Didn't know that even existed

Well ex teacher

Journeyman Geek

00:06

ah

1080i as opposed to 1080p

We have a plasma TV

I think its 640x480 tho

Ariane

Why did plasma mostly die off again?

Journeyman Geek

Pricy and tempremental

Ariane

Temperamental?

Simon Sheehan

Too pricey for what it was worth

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Simon Sheehan

00:08

LED was better priced and overall much easier

Journeyman Geek

@SimonSheehan I kinda disagree

Plasma TVs have better contrast than most LEDs

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It does make sense in limited situations, though. Very very limited :P

Journeyman Geek

however, they produce a shitload of heat, can have burn in, and so on

That said since they were premium products, they tend to be well built

oh and heavy

bloody heavy

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek this is true, although that doesn't appeal to me much

Journeyman Geek

@SimonSheehan tbh back in the day I told my dad to get an LCD TV

that said, this tv's worked reliably under our light workload for over a decade

Simon Sheehan

00:10

@JourneymanGeek yeah eh? Not bad

Journeyman Geek

Only failure we've had is the remote

@SimonSheehan we got it a few weeks after we got the dog ;p

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek haha easy way to remember when it came in

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek burn in really isn't an issue with plasma anymore.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank no one makes plasma displays any more

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That doesn't make him wrong! :P

Ariane

00:11

Oh so it's not mostly dead, it's completely dead?

Michael Frank

Exactly...? But if you're gonna play it that way, the newest models didn't have that issue.

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane Its pining for the fjords

@MichaelFrank IIRC they do the same trick they did with CRTs and have controlled flicker to stop that

Michael Frank

Yea, pixel orbiting as well.

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane No one makes new ones.

LcDs are cheaper to produce en mass, have economies of scale...

Ariane

Huh. I wonder what's the next technology battle going to be

bwDraco

00:14

@Ariane People didn't want plasma because it has a very bad reputation for image retention.

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane there's rarely a battle outside physical media

Plasma was never going to be the 'standard'

Bob

@JourneymanGeek s/LED/LCD/

Marketing aside, if you have an actual LED display then it's probably about a dozen metres in at least one dimension.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob alas, until someone designs a wall of RDBLEDs you can stick to the wall for a full wall 2k experience ;p

yeah, my bad ;p

Ariane

Full wall 2k? Sounds like big pixels

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh, they exist. They just look like crap, and cost a small fortune.

Journeyman Geek

00:16

engadget.com/2016/06/13/os-x-is-now-macos

@Ariane big pixels

bwDraco

The first 100 hours of plasma TV operation are particularly sensitive to problems.

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Cool?

bwDraco

Plasma display technology is very sensitive to environmental factors such as altitude.

Journeyman Geek

heh. Might have implications for me.

@bwDraco most of us arn't going to be living on a mountain ;p

Ariane

Fuck yes at last, gone is the utter silliness of 15 years of version 10.

Bob

00:17

@Ariane Don't worry, Microsoft will carry on that tradition.

The timing is rather suspicious, actually... I wonder... :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Ariane

@JourneymanGeek what's the link between Mac os and big pixels?

Journeyman Geek

"This one goes up to 11. The new macOS11"

@Ariane none

Ariane

You wonder what? What timing?

Michael Frank

@Bob It's not like anyone ever referred to it as 'OSTen' though.

Bob

00:20

@MichaelFrank It's always been "Oh Ess Ex" to me.

Ariane

Right, windows has technically been on version 6 for a long time. But they don't advertise the such deep nonsense at least. This isn't windows VII 3, for instance.

Bob

@Ariane OS X is a thing. Microsoft skips 9 and goes to 10 (also, GWX). Apple abandons OS X name.

@Ariane ...Windows 10 is NT 10.0

Journeyman Geek

._.

Ariane

Really? Then what?

What tradition?

Bob

@Ariane It was a joke.

Journeyman Geek

00:21

@Ariane windows kernel was on 6 for a pretty strange reason.

Ariane

Ooooooooh they're planning on making it windows X2 next?

Bob

The tradition of being on vertion 10 with long updates forever.

Journeyman Geek

naw, they went over to a rolling release

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Kernel version is defined by ABI compatibility, I believe. Drivers, basically.

@Ariane Windows 10 release. Windows 10 1511. Probably Windows 10 1607.

Ariane

So windows isn't version 6 at all anymore? Well done.

Michael Frank

00:22

Windows 10 is the final version of Windows, ever. It will be expanded upon. But never again will we get a "new Windows".

...apparently.

Bob

@Ariane It's hard to say Windows was ever really "version 6".

The NT kernel version isn't really the same thing as the Windows version

Ariane

Really? Huh. That's an odd choice. They've got to drop the 10 if they do that. They can't make the same mistake as Apple.

Bob

The kernel version largely exists to denote ABI/API changes (and, with it, driver support)

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane I think they'll eventually go over to a 'service' and just call it 'Windows'

Ariane

Hmmmmm... So now they've synched kernel and OS version?

Journeyman Geek

00:24

10's mainly experimenting with the rolling release model

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Would have to be long enough for older versions to be completely out of support. For a while, too.

You can't just go call it "Windows" without mass confusion.

Ariane

Rolling release, being incremental updates instead of big boom ones?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob which is likely the idea now

@Ariane bit of both

biannial 'big' releases which are essentially service packs happen

Bob

Unless they want to call it Windows Forever or something, in which case it would be rather amusing to see how people react (along with the forced upgrade and telemetry concerns)

A name like that might just be the tipping point :P

Journeyman Geek

I need to go clean up the stuff I did for fixing my friend's PC

I have no idea if I should keep the windows 10 VHD or not

Ariane

00:27

Speaking of which, isn't windows in a very bad place? The way I see it, Apple, Chrome OS and even Android are beginning to step on its feet.

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane they still have the corporate market sewn up, lots of servers...

Ariane

I'm more worried about the consumer market honestly. I'd be sad if it ever reached a point where Macs were the de facto machine for everything including games.

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane dosen't really seem to be the case

OS X has no low end

I can go out right now and buy a perfectly usable machine for 2-300 dollars

Ariane

There's mac mini, no? They seem to be trying to adventure in that market a bit

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane heh, I was thinking bay trail or AMD APU based laptops

Most muggles wouldn't get a desktop these days

bwDraco

00:31

"muggles"

Ariane

Laptops are unpleasant. D: They hurt my neck

Also one piece breaks, the machine is probably gone

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane I find the default for most people is laptop + mouse

lol

Simon Sheehan

@Ariane Depends which part breaks ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane I bought a netbook on the premise that if it breaks, I've got my money's worth

Ariane

Most people suck; I have decreed as such.

Journeyman Geek

00:33

It is festooned with stickers tho

@Ariane most people are the market ;p

Ariane

Hah, stickers.

Journeyman Geek

Unless they have a geek in the house.

Ariane

Fuck the market D: I like Windows

Simon Sheehan

I'm all for stickers. My car has them, my laptop has them, my work tool box has them!

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane bunch of make ones, thinkgeek timmy, superuser/stackexchange...

also they're all upside down if I open my laptop

Ariane

00:34

Although frustratingly lately osx is no longer completely unbearable to use.

Simon Sheehan

@Ariane I have a fairly good time using OS X

I switch between Windows for gaming, OS X for everything, and Linux for trying dumb stuff

Ariane

Yep. I hate to admit it but for a few versions now it's been usable.

Simon Sheehan

Yeah, the improvements have been really good.

I added an SSD to my MacBook and found a new love for it

Ariane

Not that it's by any means fun to use, but I can't HATE it anymore. Sadly. Macs are fun to hate.

Journeyman Geek

Simon Sheehan

00:36

Does the job and more for me

Journeyman Geek

@SimonSheehan heh, I consider an SSD essential now

Simon Sheehan

Had it going at 100% transcoding video all weekend without a hiccup

Ariane

Cute PC

I don't think that's thanks to osx though. More like the machine itself

Simon Sheehan

Journeyman Geek

HP Stream. You can have it in any colour, as long as its blue, pink, or (I think) purple

Ariane

00:38

Yep, Microsoft needs to hire a genius. I don't want to see windows fall into being a business only thing.

They should make more colorful devices. Black etc gets boring

Journeyman Geek

Screen's a bit shit (why whyyyyyyy) but its kind of the system you'd throw into your bag, use till it breaks, and not care too much other than "I miss the scruffy little thing"

Bob

@Ariane Heh. That makes 2-3 of us to stand against the Apple invasion in this room :P

Ariane

Heh. I do see the merit in buying a cheap laptop.

@Bob yay

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane Essentially, its weaknesses are the attraction to it

Simon Sheehan

@Bob Is that a thing now ? aha

Bob

00:40

I only ever use a Mac for debugging with Safari ... which might just be the most frustrating debugging experience ever.

Ariane

The weaknesses of windows?

Journeyman Geek

Its got hardly any storage (32gb), comes with windows + office 365 for a year (which makes it even more worth it)

Processor's slowish but good enough, and it runs (some) casual games

Ariane

32gb. Sounds like a tablet but with a keyboard. Does it take USB keys?

Bob

Though, Macs become far more bearable if you chuck the keyboard and mouse in a bin.

Especially the mouse.

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane one USB 3.0 slot, one 2.0 slot

Bob

00:42

I recommend you burn it first.

Journeyman Geek

built in SD card

Ariane

ESPECIALLY THE MOUSE.

Simon Sheehan

I still use a trackball

Journeyman Geek

heh

I'm waiting on my brother's new laptop to come in, with mah new mouse ;p

Simon Sheehan

oooh

@JourneymanGeek what did he get?

Ariane

00:42

@JourneymanGeek sounds like the perfect school/secretary device, as long as you're OK with back pain from typing on a keyboard at all.

Journeyman Geek

@SimonSheehan a razer blade stealth.

Bob

For all the boasting of user experience, the mouse is a huge letdown :\

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek Fancy

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane standing desk! ;p

@SimonSheehan He wanted a powerful laptop, and the razer apparently has a bloody good screen

he went for the 4k/12 inch option...

which is not what I recommended ;p

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek It does, seen it in person a few times. Crazy

Ariane

00:44

Eh standing gives me the worst back pains. Hollow back.

Simon Sheehan

I dont sit down long enough working anymore. Usually stand up to vent ideas at others

Ariane

4k12 inch? Sounds pretty useless to most eyes

Journeyman Geek

I told him to go for the other one ;p

Simon Sheehan

I'm contemplating a new monitor..

Journeyman Geek

I think they have a QHD version

Michael Frank

00:45

@JourneymanGeek Shit... That'd be terribly difficult to see!

Journeyman Geek

@SimonSheehan I can't recommend the P2715Q enough

Ariane

You know what? My colleague at work. He's our main programmer. PROGRAMMER. And he prefers the Mac mouse. And keyboard. Bit keyboard I don't really mind. It's special but I can see why. It's fun to press, like laptop keyboards. But the mouse?! D:

Michael Frank

Although the new zoom options in Windows 10 are very useful.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek As long as it's not that RGBW one.

It's ridiculous.

Simon Sheehan

@Ariane I love the keyboard actually, I find it extremely easy to use

Journeyman Geek

00:46

I can rarely type on chicklet keyboards

amusingly the only one that works for me is the one on the stream

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek that does look nice... hm. Might be worth saving for

Ariane

Simon, do you type a lot?

Journeyman Geek

@SimonSheehan I also have a cheaper korean one

Simon Sheehan

@Ariane Yes. Also find it easy to remember all the keyboard shortcuts on and get used to

Bob

@Ariane Probably should stay away... it might be contagious.

Journeyman Geek

00:48

its nice if you didn't want IPS (why not?), wanted 4K, didn't mind it being miscaliberated out of the box, having no adjustment for height....

Simon Sheehan

Although it's not programming, I just find the keyboard comfortable to use

Ariane

Huh. Because what I found with the Mac keyboards was that or was fun at first but the shocks on my fingers got painful after a long time

Journeyman Geek

'shocks'

this feature, not bug. Must learn to enjoy pain.

Bob

That's called bottoming out with every keystroke.

Simon Sheehan

@Ariane Hm, interesting. I use it for hours on end without much issue there. Just tap it lightly and it works

Ariane

00:48

@Bob but I like him! D: (Also the company is 5 people)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I thought you would bottom out on most keyboards anyway

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Eh, depends. It's a bit weird to do so on a mech.

Ariane

Bottoming out? Like, I was pressing too strongly?

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Bob

Most other keyboards have enough give that you're already slowing down by then.

Journeyman Geek

00:50

@Ariane Apparently a few people got offended by your use of the N word

Bob

Fine motor control ends up hurting eventually.

Journeyman Geek

Annnd she got suspended while I was dealing with it

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek that was the fastest 5 flags ever

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane heh. I suggest you be a bit careful with your language

@SimonSheehan I was dealing with it :(

Bob

@SimonSheehan And probably amongst the most unnecessary... o.O

Simon Sheehan

00:52

@Bob It's debatable I think

Bob

*shrug*

Journeyman Geek

@SimonSheehan there's a mod in the room ;p

Ariane

Huh, oops. It didn't even occur to me that the said word actually applied to black people. I read too much trash language.

Bob

I get the feeling that Americans are strangely extremely sensitive to language like that. Especially that word in particular.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

Oh, I entirely agree with the intent

Bob

00:53

@Ariane Yea, I got the distinct vibe that you were using it more as a figure of speech.

Journeyman Geek

Just that well, I was handling it

@Bob or quoting, kinda

Bob

But apparently some people knee-jerk on the mere appearance of a word.

@JourneymanGeek Pretty much. That's what I read it as.

Ariane

I hear black people are the only ones allowed to use it

Bob

It's nowhere near her normal speech/typing style, so it was quite obviously a reference.

Journeyman Geek

That's racist ;p

Yup

Bob

00:54

@JourneymanGeek The irony, eh?

Journeyman Geek

(actually, that's true of a lot of somewhat racist terms, unless its friendly)

Ariane

You know what went through my head? I was going to write bitch but then I thought it might be offensive so I picked something wide off the top of my head.

Michael Frank

What's interesting, is there's only about 6 people actively talking right now, and 4 of us probably didn't flag. :P

Bob

In the weird American drive to be overly politically correct, that's actually racist in itself.

Journeyman Geek

This is why I curse in clanner

@MichaelFrank yeah, I know who did, and found that odd but meh

or maybe

> Bang, line break, KABOOOM!

Bob

00:56

Just like the use of "African-American" to refer to anyone with a darker shade of skin... despite many not being even vaguely related to or from Africa...

Ariane

That would've been smart

Journeyman Geek

or people of colour

I've never seen colourless people.

Ariane

HAHAHA

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That's albinoist!

Journeyman Geek

@Bob They have colour too!

I'm clearly intolerant of transparent people

Michael Frank

00:57

Was at a football game a while ago... one of the opposition supporters was calling our Indian players "non-reflective".

brb Windows 10 migration time.

Ariane

Transparent? That's clearly intolerant of transgender people and parents! And transgender parents!

Journeyman Geek

heh

Ariane

Hahahahaga non reflective

Journeyman Geek

I wonder what my trans friends would think of that ._.

Ariane

I'm used to being around people who speak trash so much they influence me badly that I don't even think about my language anymore. Too used to being the most mild mouthed one.

Journeyman Geek

00:59

;p

Yeah, kinda happened to me in the army

Ariane

Hopefully they'd laugh. Easily offended people are annoying.

Journeyman Geek

lol

the french one might get offended, but he's a bit of an arse. The rest would be cool I hope ;p

Bob

@Ariane Ha. Yea, I used to be like that. Turns out, being more social in Australia changes your choice of language.

Journeyman Geek

Also, I curse in sci fi, or if I'm ordered to, in badly english accented hokkien

Ariane

I even say hashtag or yolo once in a blue moon. And find it funny. I've been contaminated. Halp.

Journeyman Geek

01:02

YOLT!

Ariane

Hah. I'd curse in Japanese if I didn't wanna look even less attractive than I do

Yolt?

Bob

Speaking of, I never understood YOLO. You have one life, so... try your best to end it early?

Journeyman Geek

You only live twice? ;p

Bob

@Ariane Example? :P

Ariane

You only live once, so lose no time before doing what you want to do I guess

Example of YOLO?

Bob

01:04

@Ariane Makes sense if it's actually used that way but I more often see it as encouragement to be needlessly reckless :\

@Ariane Of Japanese cursing :P

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane heh, I don't care about what people think, but cursing feels like I've given up to uncivility

Michael Frank

@Ariane my wife is very similar. It's gonna be an issue once our baby starts learning words...

@Bob BAKA!

Bob

@MichaelFrank Yea that's kinda what I was thinking but I was wondering if that's what she meant :P

Ariane

Ah. A common one I use at low volume is. "Nande kikanai no?! (Why aren't you working?!). But real curses could be shimatta (shit/I've screwed up), or chikushou (damn it). I also THINK " baka na no?" (You're stupid (or what)?) In my head quite a bit

Michael Frank

I haven't seen enoug "adult anime" to pick up any other Japanese haha

Ariane

01:08

Hah. I'll be proud if my child learns some Japanese. Japanese rocks.

Michael Frank

I'll probably make my kids learn Te Reo Maori... then Japanese?

Ariane

Speaking of which, useless slice I'd life, the first guy ice spoken to who appears to be interested in me and is also interesting in a while lives in motherfucking Tahiti.

Bob

o.o

Ariane

What's that language? I've never heard of it

Journeyman Geek

Maori's the natives of new zealand

Bob

01:10

@Ariane Maori => indigenous NZ

Ariane

Oooh. Interesting.

Journeyman Geek

I used to know a little french

Ariane

What happened to him?

Sorry I actually found myself funny there.

All right, I'll be leaving you for now. Thanks for everything, it was fun. I'll go watch yesterday's game of thrones. I wish I could multitask, but that's a lot to ask my phone and the video player.

I'll come back to ask for PC build opinions once I've looked around a bit.

Bob

heh

good luck

Ariane

Thanks.

bwDraco

01:54

Smith Corona XL 1900 electronic typewriter in action

►

Michael Frank

How fast can it type?

bwDraco

Hang on, got an issue to fix with the video.

Reprocessing. Slight adjustment (somehow introduced extraneous text during editing).

bwDraco

02:19

Not sure what's going on. It's stuck on "Preparing upload."

In the meantime...

Linux Tech Tips on a data loss event:

All of our data is GONE!

►

Michael Frank

@bwDraco We just had an HP Elite x2 brick itself during a BIOS update with a whole bunch of the users data on it.

FUN

bwDraco

Okay. The video is now being processed. YouTube can be flaky at times...

Journeyman Geek

02:41

@MichaelFrank removable drive I hope?

bwDraco

...here we go.

Smith Corona XL 1900 electronic typewriter in action

►

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek It's a Hybrid tablet... I don't think the drive is removable. :/

Bob

@MichaelFrank Restore from backup? *cough*

*points to room description*

Michael Frank

03:01

@Bob Eh... this company is odd. They give the users networked Home Drives, but don't use folder redirection or roaming profiles.

So it's up to the user to ensure their data is saved on the network.

But yea... No backup was made before the BIOS patch. :P

Journeyman Geek

of course

Nothing could ever go wrong

2

Bob

The neutrinos are mutating!

Journeyman Geek

03:30

THE SQUIRRELS HAVE UNIONISED!

Bob

04:15

@JourneymanGeek It's much more exciting to see squirrels ionise.

Journeyman Geek

Squirrels can be high energy, but that's just crazy talk.

Rahul2001

04:56

Hello everyone!

I'm a squirrel!

Journeyman Geek

ionises @Rahul2001

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