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Journeyman Geek

00:03

@ThatBrazilianGuy its kinda obsolete these days, but its a handy way to send notifications across systems

StackExchange

Journeyman Geek has added That Brazilian Guy to the list of this room's owners.

Journeyman Geek

also, that's what I think about @ThatBrazilianGuy being a room owner

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Added a bunch of things to the growl thing last night :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

If you feel like trying it, it now sends images!

And the application name!

And doesn't auto-dismiss from the action centre!

(the latter two are optional)

Journeyman Geek

00:09

@Bob that's handy ;p

That Brazilian Guy

!!tell 30253834 excellent

ChatBot John Cavil

That Brazilian Guy

!!plan

ChatBot John Cavil

That Brazilian Guy

1) become room owner 2)??? 3) profit

Journeyman Geek

00:15

tho I probably need to wait for the coffee to kick in

bwDraco

@ThatBrazilianGuy Not happening to me until I get my personal issues sorted out.

Dec 5 '15 at 2:56, by bwDraco

Be advised that at this time, if I were granted room owner privileges, it is likely I will simply revoke them from myself.

Ben N

I think he was making a joke about/talking to himself :)

bwDraco

We'll see what happens over the next several months.

Ben N

Though I'm sure you would do fine

That Brazilian Guy

As far as I know, the only different thing I'd do as owner would be reading deleted messages, but then TIL I'll have to scroll forever to be able to read them...

Journeyman Geek

00:21

@ThatBrazilianGuy and most of them are boring

bwDraco

@BenN Not so sure. I still have unaddressed issues that can cause me to make bad moderation decisions.

Jun 4 at 22:24, by bwDraco

I am always hard at work to improve my behavior. This was a snap decision on my end, which clearly should not have happened. Again, I pledge not to make moderation decisions on impulse or emotion. Sorry for what happened here.

Just five days ago.

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek I'm on mobile, so it shows as (removed) to me

Journeyman Geek

alas

Bob

There's tricks to seeing em on mobile :P

But it's painful

That Brazilian Guy

So my birthday's in 11 days an I have no idea what to do to celebrate it

This has been happening for a couple years and I get frustrated and end up doing nothing and swear it won't happen again and then it does.

bwDraco

00:27

I may be calm now but that doesn't mean that I'll make the wrong decision under stress or when a dispute comes up.

Ben N

@ThatBrazilianGuy Ask @Burgi for some beer!

That Brazilian Guy

@BenN Why @Burgi, specifically? ~~and why beer~~

Ben N

He always seems to have beer (it's a recent-ish running joke)

Hopefully it's not running only in my mind, that would be pretty awkward

That Brazilian Guy

I'm still not sure if all beer here is extremely shitty, or if I have a quite snob taste for beer. Probably both.

So I only enjoy imported or artisanal crafted beer, both expensive

bwDraco

Jun 5 at 0:15, by Journeyman Geek

I do not ever mod angry. I mod when I'm calm or not even angry

That Brazilian Guy

00:31

At least, I I'll never have money to be an alcoholic!

bwDraco

I need to stop making moderation decisions on emotion. An incident happened right here in chat less than a week ago partly because I did so.

Let's not dwell on it. It's best to focus on implementing the proposed fix, not ruminating on the problem.

That Brazilian Guy

@BenN now that you mention it...

I don't like my user picture. I get the impression no one knows Blanka is Brazilian. Or even recognizes Blanka (God, I feel old).

I think I'll get a new one.

Ben N

I don't know what it is TBH

That Brazilian Guy

@BenN Q. E. D.

!!wiki Blanka

ChatBot John Cavil

Blanka

Blanka (Japanese: ブランカ, Hepburn: Buranka) is a fictional character in Capcom's Street Fighter fighting game series. He first appeared in the 1991 video game Street Fighter II as one of eight playable characters, and was subsequently featured in sequel and spin-off games. Blanka is also present in a number of Capcom's crossover games, including the SNK vs. Capcom series. The character has appeared in other media adaptations of the franchise, including an animated film, a live-action movie, an animated television series, a comic book and manga series. Blanka was originally designed as a human character...

Michael Frank

00:42

@ThatBrazilianGuy BZZZzzzzZZZzzzzZZZZzzz

I can see it's Blanka when you type multiple lines, but It's difficult to see when the thumbnail is small.

That Brazilian Guy

> Blanka's backstory is that he was once human, but after a plane crash in Brazil he mutated (resulting in his green coloring and his ability to generate electricity).

Michael Frank

Perhaps use a portrait picture instead?

vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/f/ff/…

Rikai

groot

That Brazilian Guy

Because, obviously, just landing in Brazil gives you super powers. Because it's Brazil, duh. A magic landing of football, forests, snakes and samba.

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy it dosen't scale down well in the thumbnail

Rikai

00:47

@bwDraco hi.

got a question for you

Journeyman Geek

And its a little busy

bwDraco

Yes?

Journeyman Geek

and yes, I bloody well know blanka is brazillian.

Rikai

what is a Color Calibrator, how do I get it, and how it used?

mainly for my wife (actually only for her)

bwDraco

@Rikai There are two types of color calibration devices: colorimeters and spectrophotometers.

Journeyman Geek

00:48

@Rikai its a device you hang over your monitor - it runs a series of patterns and uses that to get your monitor consistant

bwDraco

Colorimeters have more limited accuracy but are faster and less expensive.

Journeyman Geek

there's ~3 companies that make em, x-rite, colourhug (which is FOSS) and... I forget the third

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Datacolor.

Rikai

so is it software or hardware?

bwDraco

Spectrophotometers are very expensive (at least $300-400) but deliver very high accuracy and can profile printers as well as displays. You generally don't need one unless you're shooting professionally and need maximum accuracy.

Rikai

00:49

well she's going pro

so we might as well get that

hm

well maybe not magazine pro, but at least "official"

insofar as a business, set in stone pricing, etc

bwDraco

The latest generation of colorimeters are very accurate, though, and are spectrally calibrated so that they perform consistently.

(The ColorMunki Display is.)

@Rikai ColorMunki Photo is a spectrophotometer but runs $450.

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek the character concept is so full of so-out-there clichés, it's almost offensive. But again, Japanese gaming have brought us Mario...

bwDraco

It's hardware. You hang the measurement instrument over the display and the software displays a series of test patches to profile the display's color gamut and response.

That Brazilian Guy

@bwDraco Hmm, my wife is studying photography and I'll recommend her one.

Journeyman Geek

@Rikai its a mix

bwDraco

00:53

I'd recommend using the DisplayCAL software with it, and not the stock software. (I'd probably install the vendor software anyway before installing DisplayCAL; just don't launch the vendor software.)

Journeyman Geek

you can do basic caliberation in windows

That Brazilian Guy

How much does a colorimeter costs? What does it look like?

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco pros use displaycal ;p

@ThatBrazilianGuy its a box, or a thing that looks like a ear themometer

bwDraco

This is a spectrophotometer.

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek How am I supposed to know what ear thermometers looks like?

bwDraco

00:54

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy 420 real and up

bwDraco

This is a colorimeter (the same model I have: ColorMunki Display).

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy dosen't everyone?

tho we use non contact ones

That Brazilian Guy

Up until right now I only knew thermometers went two places: either under my arm, or far away from me.

Rikai

okay, so @bwDraco or @JourneymanGeek based off the build I linked before, what would be the best? to go with that BenQ monitor and Windows 10

Journeyman Geek

00:55

I want one of these hughski.com

Ben N

^ ear thermometer

Journeyman Geek

@Rikai I'd go with windows 10. monitor... I donno

I went with a dell for my 'nice' monitor

Rikai

no I mean

I'm getting 10 and that BenQ already.

what calibrator would work best with those two?

bwDraco

How often does she print?

Rikai

not at all right now

but we just bought a Canon printer that does high quality photos once we get the paper

even printing on standard printer paper looks awesome

bwDraco

00:57

@Rikai What model?

Journeyman Geek

@Rikai most modern caliberators would work with modern monitors

and displayCAL works with most of the ones you'd find anyway

Rikai

so can I do it with JUST the software?

@bwDraco I'll ask her

I'm at work atm

bwDraco

Most video cards can load color look-up tables that alter the color sent to the display based on the calibration results.

Journeyman Geek

@Rikai windows 10 has a 'basic' caliberation tool

Rikai

it'll be that Radeon HD card

Journeyman Geek

00:59

it works alright, but its more for consistancy and 'looks right' than absolute accuracy

bwDraco

Colorimeters are very accurate these days. You don't need a spectrophotometer unless you need absolute accuracy or need to profile your printer and paper on your own (manufacturers typically supply ICC profiles for professional papers and printers).

Rikai

it's not a professional printer

it's consumer grade

$40ish

or $50

maybe more. it was on sale iirc

really only got it for documents

Journeyman Geek

@Rikai don't forget, printers are loss leaders

bwDraco

If prints are going to be produced as part of the job, you'd probably need a professional photo printer. Look at the Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000 or Epson SureColor P800.

Journeyman Geek

you can't really judge a printer by price

Rikai

01:03

well tbh we probably won't use this printer for physical copies

probably a few for displays and examples, and personal use

bwDraco

The existing printer will probably do if that's the case.

Rikai

we've got a print release drawn up for people to print at Walgreens or Wal-Mart, etc.

bwDraco

There's no need for a spectrophotometer. I'd probably recommend the i1Display Pro colorimeter ($250) in your case. It's very similar to the ColorMunki Display but is faster.

Rikai

this? amazon.com/X-Rite-i1Display-Pro-Display-Calibration/dp/…

bwDraco

@Rikai Yup.

Rikai

01:06

okay

now

how do i use it

bwDraco

Install the OEM software, then install DisplayCAL.

Journeyman Geek

@Rikai run the software, literally hang the device over the monitor, and go take a walk

bwDraco

DisplayCAL can be complicated to work with but can provide extremely accurate results (managed to get delta E to less than 0.5). I'll suggest the following:

Journeyman Geek

Its better to do it in a dark room

Rikai

okay but do I set it on the monitor and it sets up Windows/monitor to display the colors properly?

Journeyman Geek

01:09

yup

Rikai

so

bwDraco

@Rikai After calibration, it generates a color profile and LUTs and the software loads it so that the the display colors are corrected.

Rikai

it's basically say

Journeyman Geek

It won't polish a turd, I'd warn, but your monitor's probably fine.

Rikai

a webcam

Journeyman Geek

01:10

@Rikai kiiiinda

Rikai

it'll be that BenQ monitor :|

Journeyman Geek

@Rikai ever used the built in caliberation tool?

Rikai

probably

bwDraco

Under Calibration, set the white point to color temperature 6504 K (that's D65). The white level should be somewhere between 80 and 120 cd/m^2 (that depends on how bright you want the monitor to be). Tone curve should be Gamma 2.2

Journeyman Geek

same end effect, only better.

bwDraco

01:11

Set the calibration speed to low for best results (it'll take a while).

Rikai

she's got an HP laptop atm

I'll just add that into the budget for her new desktop

bwDraco

For profiling, set the profile quality to high and use the auto-optimized testchart. I have it set to 833 test patches; more will produce greater accuracy but will take longer.

Rikai

thought profiling was illegal :D

how long does that take?

will this work with the R9 290?

as far as profiles, etc.

bwDraco

It takes about two hours to calibrate and profile each display. With the i1Display Pro, it's probably less but expect it to take an hour or so.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

That's significantly longer than I remember

bwDraco

01:13

@JourneymanGeek What calibration instrument did you use?

Rikai

@bwDraco this is good for editing, right?

Made a change or two

pcpartpicker.com/list/22vgXH

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I don't remember. I THINK it was an old model spyder i1

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek It's slow because I target high accuracy. The result is some really low delta E numbers, though.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco but we didn't go for accuracy

we needed consistancy, grading's done later

bwDraco

@Rikai Get the R9 380 instead for R9 290.

Rikai

01:15

380 or 380x?

why not just the 390/x

bwDraco

@Rikai 380 will do.

Rikai

no x or 390?

bwDraco

390 is probably not worth it unless you're actually planning to game on that machine.

Photoshop does do some GPU acceleration but I'm not sure you need that much GPU power.

Rikai

well I hope to eventually take it over as my gaming machine when I build her a new one

but that's way down the line and the GPU will need to be updated before then

Sapphire Radeon R9 380 4GB NITRO Dual-X OC Video Card

pcpartpicker.com/list/WMnt6X

bwDraco

Then get the 380X.

Journeyman Geek

01:18

boingboing.net/2016/06/09/enjoy-this-video-of-a-dog-enjo.html

bwDraco

It's still a bit slower than the 290 but not by a huge margin.

Rikai

no Sapphire 380x on this site :(

the 380 is slower than the 290?

weird.

unless the second number is the performance rather than the line

bwDraco

okay. For compute, the 290 is actually a good deal faster.

Rikai

well. the 380 should be fine. I currently use an R7 M260 and can play my games just fine (mostly)

bwDraco

The older card may by the better choice.

Rikai

01:19

the 290?

bwDraco

Yes. Be sure to look at the benchmarks before making your decision, though.

Rikai

for graphics processing and GPU rendering in photoshop right?

bwDraco

Yes.

Rikai

looks like the 290x outperforms the 380x

but the 380 outperforms the 290

ah, the 290 has a higher computing score vs the 380x too

but the 380x performs better overall

how's this look? pcpartpicker.com/list/c3C6hq

I wonder if she should have an i7 or if the i5 is good for Photoshop

Journeyman Geek

@Rikai when I built my system, the cost delta between a 2 core core i5 K and a 4 core core i7 wasn't that bad

Rikai

01:29

this is a 4 core i5 without threading

but I don't normally see a big improvement from threaded vs non

Journeyman Geek

01:43

@Rikai in my case it was the 2 more cores for something like 40 quid

Rikai

ah

Journeyman Geek

and I ended up saving a fair bit off comparison shopping + downgrading a few small things so, yeah

(stock cooling rather than a aftermarket heat sink, and didn't max out the ram)

Rikai

ah

bwDraco

02:08

yesterday, by bwDraco

Processor notes: i5-6600K is about 20% faster than i5-6500. The improvement is more substantial with the i7-6700K as you get even higher clocks and more significantly, hyper-threading (which alone would add another 15-35% performance in highly-threaded workloads), but it may not be worth the much higher cost.

Rikai

hm

Journeyman Geek

02:26

meh. non-k makes sense if you're not OCing ;)

allquixotic

as far as Android phones go, this one is rather tempting: phonearena.com/news/…

but if I bought it and BT started dropping out, I'd return it for a refund

Rikai

cool

too bad I'm prepaid Verizoff :P

Bob

@allquixotic your dropouts are weird

I still haven't had any

allquixotic

@Bob well, if it's a physical layer interference problem with something that's fairly pervasive across the areas of the US I frequent, while being totally absent from the areas you frequent, then somehow the iPhone is able to work around the problem

Rikai

ewww iPhone

allquixotic

02:35

if it's not physical layer, then it's probably Verizon-specific carrier software

which Verizon wouldn't be able to even install on iOS because of Apple's strictness

Bob

02:55

@allquixotic I really have no idea at this point :\

We've checked CDMA, yea?

allquixotic

not really

well I turned on airplane mode and it didn't help

and it works fine with my iPhone spewing CDMA, even on 3G EvDO, which uses the CDMA bands

so if it's CDMA, again, iOS doesn't have the problem, or its specific LTE chipset doesn't have the problem

btw, I nicely asked my coworker, who is using the actual Galaxy S5 I used to own (sold it to him) to try out Android Marshmallow with my new B&O BeoPlay H8 Bluetooth cans

he experienced several drop-outs just as I described, but no loud shotgun sounds

btw, it's worth noting that with my Imperial BART 1 or with my iPhone, if I leave the bluetooth transmitting device on my desk and walk across the hall (into the bathroom for example) with my headphones on my ears, I DO get dropouts and the occasional loud static - but, it either happens extremely frequently (like 10 - 20 times per minute) or not at all.

if I move the BART 1 to the very front of my desk, it doesn't drop out

and it never drops out as long as I'm in the same room with the transmitting device

Michael Frank

My Nexus 5 drops out occasionally if I wave my arm between my head and pocket while using my BT Headphones.

Bob

I've had a Galaxy S4 (4.3), LG G4 (5.0) and Galaxy S7 (6.0) with the Matrix2 and various BT speakers. If there are any dropouts, they're so rare I never notice them.

I think I might've had one or two during a spot of lag while loading a heavy webpage. But certainly not while my phone has been sitting otherwise idle.

@allquixotic Did you ever try with 5.0/6.0? I remember it started happening on 4.4? The one with that aggressive downclock? And it only happened with the screen off?

I kinda wish I could send the G4 over for you to test :P

allquixotic

03:19

@Bob broken badly on all 5.x releases I tried, and my coworker tried it on 6.0 on a known-bad phone

happens with screen on, just less often

Bob

Weird. Very very weird.

allquixotic

haven't tried it on any Snapdragon 820 phone though

the last SoC I tried it with was the Note 4's 810

Bob

I've had no trouble with the G4's 808, nor my current Exynos.

@allquixotic Wait, that cheap LG phone also had issues?

Actually... any chance you can record the dropouts? I kinda want to hear how severe it is :P

Rikai

dropout is as bad as a pregnant 16yo

Bob

...wut

allquixotic

03:29

@Bob they were minor

@Bob hmm, I suppose I could use my Imperial BART 1 as a Bluetooth Receiver :P

Bob

@allquixotic Well, if you could record an example... I'm curious!

allquixotic

I'll ask to borrow my coworker's S5 tomorrow

Bob

Even if just with a normal mic

iPhone mic sitting in front of the headset? :P

allquixotic

S5 -> Bluetooth -> BART 1 -> USB -> Macbook Pro -> capture -> MP3

should be good, unless for some reason the CSR codec in the BART 1 doesn't exhibit the problem

Bob

Then the mic

tbh I'm actually a tad more interested ot hear what comes out of a real pair of headphones

but I apparently can't reproduce

allquixotic

03:39

@Bob So I got the Predator X34 monitor tonight but not yet my GTX 1080 (expected them to arrive in the reverse order due to the time when I ordered them, but shipped from different vendors)

it's got much less physical height than I expected, but I'm not sure what I expected given that it's an Ultra Wide monitor... 3440 x 1440

you enable overclocking at >60 Hz (up to 100) in the monitor's OSD. I have it running stably on 90, not sure if I want to try 100... is there any risk of it going bad or reducing lifespan of the monitor if I do?

also, the GTX 980 gets GPU-bound (by looking at GPU load in GPU-Z) in fairly average scenes in the 2012 game SWTOR (at max. settings) at this resolution and Hz. so yeah, I'm gonna need the 1080 for sure to drive Star Citizen on this thing

allquixotic

03:51

thanks @qwertyuiop for convincing me to try a curved display; it's real nice

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic prolly not - I always thought the reason you had a lower 'standard' refresh rate's due to LCDs not needing it + it being harder to process

Rikai

curved?

any noticeable benefits?

Journeyman Geek

hmm

yay, managed to finish the second battleborn mission with montana

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek well there are some monitors that advertise overclocking but don't really support it

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic and some that don't you can OC ._.

allquixotic

03:53

but this monitor explicitly supports it in the OSD, and physically raises the Hz you can select in display properties

it's visibly better

just wondering if it's dangerous to the display or makes it die faster

Journeyman Geek

Still, its probably a combination of needing to process input + testing the panel

Rikai

a hammer might do that

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I've not heard of that happening.

@Rikai meh, we take our hardware discussions seriously.

Rikai

:(

Journeyman Geek

and the fact that its supported would probably mean it ought to be safeish

Rikai

03:57

so how good is the curved display?

can you see any benefits right away?

allquixotic

@Rikai Take a monitor that's fairly wide that you're sitting close in front of. Assume the monitor is flat. Now, start drawing straight lines between your eye and each pixel on the monitor in front of you. Measure the length of the lines. It's a lot different for lines on the edges vs. lines in the center, right?

Now, take a curved monitor and repeat the process. The lines are a lot closer to being equal.

Rikai

yes

curved displays match the curve of the eye, creating a more visually appealing image?

allquixotic

So pixels on the edges look around the same size as pixels in the center.

Rikai

hm

sounds awesome

wonder if photography would benefit

allquixotic

I'm not sure... all I know is it's REALLY good for gaming and also very good for ordinary desktop use

XKCD

04:05

For even more info, see blarbl(2)(3) and birb(3ahhaha I'm kidding, just Google it like a normal person.

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allquixotic

I'm sure it also looks amazing on X-Plane

Rikai

04:27

I wonder who we could go through for high quality prints

preferably through a contract

I wonder if Shutterfly would do it

Journeyman Geek

@Rikai I used to go to school with a guy who's a professional graphics designer - there's typically good local print shops for that kind of thing

Rikai

hm

Rahul2001

I just tried to post on reddit for the first time and they deleted my post, because I'm a new user 👿👿👿👿

@Rikai dropping out isn't necessarily bad...

Rikai

I dropped out of college

I make about 54k/yr at 23...

Rahul2001

I'm still in tenth grade, and probably won't drop out, but many people have dropped out and gone on to do great things on life...

NetworkKingPin

04:41

@Rikai Scenario, and just saying it for the sake of what ive gathered over the years. Could be that you are safe with that company. And you can go elsewhere with the experience. Aslo could be that you would really need that paper later on down the road and could be something you regret. Think it through.

Rikai

I'm good where I am

within a year I'll be getting a job with the federal government, almost guaranteed

NetworkKingPin

@Rikai sounds great then I wouldn't worry. Seems like you are on a good path.

Rikai

I'm a contractor now, and the position I'm in will not be renewed, but it will be changed to a federal position, with myself and the other three in similar positions will be given first consideration

I believe I am

I need my CASP to lock everything in

Rahul2001

05:19

What's a CASP??

@GuitarShoeDave You now have more reputation than me because of that WiFi Question :/

hm... let me think of a good question...

Hens play football??

Edity

05:47

Muhammad Ali, 1942 - 2016

Journeyman Geek

france?

Edity

?

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 might be related to the euros

The french team mascot is a ~~chicken~~ rooster

bwDraco

@Rahul2001 Not seeing this here in the US. For a full listing of all Google Doodles run around the world, see google.com/doodles.

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