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Burgi

00:01

yeah the expanse reminded me of a higher budget BSG sprinkled with good amount of political intrigue

OMG! DOES EVERY TAKEAWAY SHUT AT MIDNIGHT?????

i knew i should have ordered earlier

honestly i live 20 mins drive from the city centre of the UKs 3rd largest city but after midnight i might as well live on the moon

2 takeaways within 10 mins drive have rejected my order because i'm too far away

hopefully the 3rd will accept

nope....

i used to live out on saddleworth moor and i got better takeaway service than this!

Caterina 'Catty' McCatface

01:13

@Burgi it's true though. The guy's childish, has a short temper and no self control.

Journeyman Geek

@Caterina'Catty'McCatface please behave

Caterina 'Catty' McCatface

@Burgi do you... Drive?

There tends to be lots of places open super later or even till morning catering to the after-clubbing crowd but they rarely do deliveries

Burgi

i don't drink and drive

HackToHell

@Caterina'Catty'McCatface EVERYTHING

Burgi

oh i just remembered

i was wrong about worf

he didn't grow up in ukraine

his adoptive parents were from minsk, which is belarus

although in the context of when TNG was made it would have still been russia

allquixotic

01:53

@Bob @JourneymanGeek you guys got time/interest to play a game today? :P

I know it's early in the morning for JMG and noonish for Bob but I'm available

@Burgi -_- there is only like one restaurant chain in town that stays open past 10 PM here.

after 10 the only things open are bars and gas stations... town closes up shop early

Bob

@allquixotic what, right now? I.o

Maybe in about an hour, got stuff to do... But iirc jmg is busy (shopping?)

allquixotic

@Bob well, either now, or in the next few hours, kinda around the same time as we would tomorrow

we could do games two days in a row sameish time if it works for the pup

Bob

@allquixotic heh... that might work out better for soase

considering how long it takes

allquixotic

I think I'll pick a 6 player map with only one star system and more-or-less a minimum number of planets necessary to have "enough" for 6 players

it'll be tight, and we won't have a lot of resources, but we'll still be able to dig in with starbases

gotta plan out a strategy before we start

Bob

@allquixotic dunno if less resources is a good thing against AI :P

allquixotic

02:02

holy shit, Civilization VI is apparently being released soon - Steam ad for it

Bob

normal or hard?

allquixotic

once that's out I will be disappearing into a void for like a month

I still think we can beat hard AIs, but the key to not instantly dying isn't to build ships or turrets; the key is to rush to starbases

Bob

oh yea, played a solo game the other day... those torpedo cruisers take out a starbase like nothing else O_O

allquixotic

starbases provide both an economic and a huge defensive boon

Bob

@allquixotic what's the economic boon?

allquixotic

02:03

yeah, they're vulnerable to torpedo cruisers, but capital ships and combat frigates or heavy cruisers can pop torpedo cruisers

Bob

(I think I put the upgrades on weapons/structure/hanger, not trade ports... built separate trade ports)

allquixotic

@Bob TEC starbases can upgrade themselves with trade ports, which gives you the same benefit as the "Trade Port" stand-alone structure, but encapsulated in your starbase... magnified $$$

Bob

ah :\

allquixotic

at some point in the late game, you don't even care how much metal or crystal you have; you just buy what you need off the black market with your extreme credit riches

Bob

I went for hangers cause the pirates kept jumping in and attacking trade ships on the other end of the system

@allquixotic fleet upkeep though :S

allquixotic

02:04

if you have a very small number of planets, you'll be low on logistics slots, so it's not worth logistic slots to spend on trade ports, you need every one of them for research structures

Bob

point

allquixotic

@Bob hold off on fleet upkeep until you conquer several enemy worlds - keep yourself at 0 or 1 fleet upkeep research until you really have a larger empire

make better use of the upkeep you have by not spamming capital ships and scouts, and get Kodiak heavy cruisers

Bob

@allquixotic ah. yea there was a bottleneck on that small system - through a pirate base

I was building up a big fleet to break through :P

allquixotic

Kodiak heavy cruisers are one of the most efficient anti-ship uses of fleet upkeep there is

other factions are played very differently btw, it's just TEC that has this particular strategy

in general the AI will not rush early torpedo cruisers though, so any faction can rush starbases for a cost-effective early defense against attacks

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I'm in the middle of laundrydisheslunchprep.

Bob

02:07

@allquixotic yeaaaaa.... I'll not worry about that for now :P

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek how will you be in... 2 hours?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic planning on sneaking out and checking how long it will take to get to the interview, and doing some grocery shopping

We're low on peas.

No idea how long that'll take

Bob

@Caterina'Catty'McCatface how do I override it?

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek well, if you manage to get some time, the other two of us might be around, so ping us and we'll see

Journeyman Geek

(quite literally its just the dog and the human, and the dog has some... well upkeep needed)

Bob

02:14

@allquixotic @JourneymanGeek Oh, if it's two hours I might head out for a bit... gotta pick up some more lozenges. Damn coughs.

allquixotic

I took a nap so might be able to do a bit later than that even

Journeyman Geek

stupid thing is its faster to walk there then to take a bus

but I don't want to walk to an interview

That Brazilian Guy

03:19

How's that even possible this ISP disabled IPV4?

Journeyman Geek

0_0

actually fairly possible

they could use CGN or some transition mechanism for ipv4

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek No, no, every IPV4-only site just fails.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Never attribute to malice, what you can attribute to malicious incompetance.

That Brazilian Guy

Journeyman Geek

03:37

o0

That Brazilian Guy

I'm both online and not!

Schrödinger's connection

user193661

04:56

Would there be a good way to make a browser safe for writing in google docs?

In case something goes wrong, I have an autosave

?

HackToHell

Google docs does autosave

user193661

yea but Im talking to someone in which that failed. so a local copy would be great

if gdocs fails on their end, then my data could be gone right?

user193661

05:21

I think if the google drive app is installed you can work locally and files will push as available

Much safer?

That Brazilian Guy

06:07

@user193661 I think it's safer to assume the Google infrastructure will work than your computer

DavidPostill

06:35

Morning peeps ;)

@JourneymanGeek Hmmph. I go to bed early and miss all the drama :/

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill drama? What drama?

There's no drama on RA ;p

DavidPostill

lol

@JourneymanGeek I just caught up on the posts I missed ;)

Somebody doesn't like me ...

Journeyman Geek

Naw, someone just needed a reminder on how to be nice.

allquixotic

en-us.sennheiser.com/sennheiser-he-1

OMG, those headphones will cost 50,000 Euro or your regional equivalent

are you kidding me....

Journeyman Geek

lol

Some people will pay that

Electrostatics are kind of the rolls royce of headphones, and people will pay big money to have high voltage next to their ears.

also

gizmodo.com/…

this is batshit crazy

It isn't 'just' for the headphones

allquixotic

06:44

these look comparatively pedestrian, lol: en-us.sennheiser.com/…

Journeyman Geek

electrostatic headphones need special amplifiers

@allquixotic they are, by some measure ;p

Though

if you wanted to spend a bunch of money on kit, planar magnetic headphones might be an idea.

ugh

What was that company...

ahh

There's a company called stax that's famous for electrostatics.

And there's some crazy chap in thailand who builds his own

DavidPostill

And these guys goldmund.com/en

Journeyman Geek

heh

I tend to go for more reasonably priced gear ;)

DavidPostill

Rahul Basu

dord.horse/post/132122300662

mornin'!

Bob

06:59

@DavidPostill You pay for all that precise machining crap and then chuck a vinyl on there that'll degrade every time you play it.

Great work.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob and industrial design that looks like someone welded it together from iron tube, and used a few ikea cabinets for housing.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Entirely possible :P

Does it have magic pebbles?

Journeyman Geek

But of course.

Bob

Really, though, I don't think I can hear the difference between a medium and 'good' set of headphones so I don't really care :P

It's mostly the comfort.

And not being totally crap of course.

Journeyman Geek

I think the 90/10 theory is true here

you can get 90% of the quality at 10% of the cost if you do your homework

ANything with the word 'reference' probably has a 0 tacked on at the end of the price. Maybe 3

Bob

07:05

lol

@JourneymanGeek Yup.

Journeyman Geek

Granted, I don't think vinyl sounds better, outside oldschool mastering preferences

Tubes... are probably noisy in a way people like

Bob

@JourneymanGeek iirc the whole warm sound thing?

could probably get the same effect digitally... someone should do a double-blind :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob warm sound is probably due to the noise the tubes produce

;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek it certainly sounds worse as time goes on!

in a rather literal sense

Journeyman Geek

@Bob wierdly, modern compression preferences were due to the dynamic range constraints of vinyl

then they just wanted to go louder and louder

and modern media has better dynamic range no?

Bob

07:13

@JourneymanGeek It should!

Or, more accurately, it could

Journeyman Geek

what would be really nice would be a device which let you switch between a few parameters

Bob

with vinyl you're probably limited by how far the arm can safely deflect

Journeyman Geek

carbon vs metal oxide resistors, different caps and so on

but blind

Bob

with digital you're limited by the driver and the DAC

and maaaaaybe the responsiveness of the amp?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob how far the cartridge/grooves can move

Bob

07:15

@JourneymanGeek yea, but they can move as far as the arm can support

Journeyman Geek

I don't think the arm moves directly that much

Bob

you could make a groove move across the whole record but you'd be hard pressed to find a machine that won't break :P

Journeyman Geek

er

Bob

(or skip I suppose)

Journeyman Geek

I think you're thinking on the wrong dimention

Bob

07:16

hm?

Journeyman Geek

the grooves are on the Z axis

Bob

oh? whoops :P

Journeyman Geek

and how deep the groves are would affect amplitude?

Bob

that would, yea

Journeyman Geek

how close the groves are together would determine frequency, together with how fast the disk rotates

I believe essentially the needle goes across the track, going up and down on the groves.

Jester Tran

07:24

In some hands-on tutorial videos, why do people say "what you are going to want to do is..." before they reveal the first step???

Bob

cause tutorial videos suck

Jester Tran

@Bob I have some friends who say "what you want to do is to type this and that". Why don't they say "type this and that"?

DavidPostill

@JesterTran Why don't you ask them?

Bob

@JesterTran cause the latter sounds too much like an order?

shrug

Try one of those.

DavidPostill

"what you need to do" is better

Jester Tran

07:37

@DavidPostill seems rude..

Journeyman Geek

@JesterTran we arn't mind readers tho

How are we to know what they are thinking?

Jester Tran

@Bob eh, depends on relationship with person

Bob

@JourneymanGeek it's a fairly common turn of phrase, tbf

Jester Tran

@JourneymanGeek I thought if I ask, at least one person in this chatroom would have experienced that phrase and could explain it to me

Journeyman Geek

@Bob but the utter lack of context!

Bob

07:41

we're in the business of explaining technical matters, not language matters

Jester Tran

@Bob this is a technical matter but not an appropriate subject

DavidPostill

@JesterTran "what you are going to want to do is..." is not about anything technical.

I could say something like "how do I boil an egg" and the reply is "what you are going to want to do is..."

It is about English language usage.

Journeyman Geek

As opposed to "what you don't want to do, which is to season well with arsenic"

DavidPostill

lol

Journeyman Geek

or "Simply come into a chat room to ask strange questions"

and yeah, ELL/ELU seems like a better place

DavidPostill

07:50

"what you are going to want to do is ask in the right place"
"what you are going to need to do is is find the right place"
"what you are not going to want to do is ask in the wrong place"

Jester Tran

@JourneymanGeek it's a chatroom after all, so people will never always talk about the subject at hand

Journeyman Geek

Chatrooms often have a certain 'culture'

I often suggest people listen in first to understand what sort of things people talk about, it often helps better understand what the on topic off topic subjects are, and what people are interested in.

Caterina 'Catty' McCatface

08:28

@allquixotic What about 7-11's? They're all over the place in Thailand

Kinda odd, for a country where everything closes so early, for there to be 24-hour chains on every street corner

Singapore terms join Oxford English Dictionary

Bob

08:49

@JesterTran oh, nothing wrong about asking strange questions

but don't be surprised if you don't get an answer

Journeyman Geek

@Caterina'Catty'McCatface prolly why they are so common

Rahul Basu

`Chinese Helicopter` is a derogatory term in Singapore?
You guys are *weird* ...

I just realized that I've been spelling weird wrong my whole life :/

Journeyman Geek

I've never heard chinese helicopter

I wonder how its different from banana

Nate Kerkhofs

09:09

If I do a system restore in Windows 10, does it also rollback driver updates?

Journeyman Geek

I think that's one of the points of a system restore

Nate Kerkhofs

okay. Good

DavidPostill

@NateKerkhofs Yes. But you have to pick the correct restore point (ie before the driver update) if there are several to choose from.

windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/…

Your PC isn't working well and you recently installed an app, driver, or update.

Restore from a system restore point

Nate Kerkhofs

@DavidPostill thanks. I've found that installing Geforce Experience breaks the bluetooth on my PC

so I'm going to see if just installing the drivers without Experience works any better

first, reboot the PC

Okay, so a moment ago, Windows could connect to my bluetooth headphones, but I then removed them and now it can't find them anymore

I mean, all I did was follow the 3rd bullet point on windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/…

RAAGHH! I only just did a clean install on this PC and the whole reason why I tried it is broken again already

I wanted to see if it would fix my bluetooth so I could use my bluetooth headphones with it

and it did, my bluetooth is fixed

but now it won't find my headphones

and I know it can find them, because it did so 10 minutes ago

Nate Kerkhofs

09:34

Okay, looks like I'll either have to reset my PC AGAIN (which I'd rather not do, since it'd be the 3rd time today) or I'll have to just use the wired connector with my PC

Developer

09:57

anyone here tried loading windows in Kali

Nick

@Developer Do you mean dual booting or virtualization?

Developer

I need to get some passwords out of SAM

I have kali virtual box and windows 10 disk partition attached to it

Nick

o-o woo. @RahulBasu ^ should know

Developer

dont think he is around

i only need help with mounting disk by the way

Journeyman Geek

10:29

Does Kali have NTFS support? If so just use the mount command like with any other disk.

Developer

found it

thanks

yes there is a package ntfs-3g

found the command to mount it, but it's a bitlocked drive

should I remove that first

or try something with kali

Bob

@Developer ...didn't you ask this a couple weeks ago?

Apr 30 at 14:04, by Developer

I want to get cached domain passwords out of vhd

Also, shrug, if it's FDE'd you're screwed.

Unless you have the key.

Developer

How to Mount and Access BitLocker Drive in Linux.

►

Bob

In which case, why on earth are you messing with kali?

Developer

@Bob that videos makes it look like a cake though ?

@Bob trying to learn it difficult way

Bob

10:40

@Developer The video (or at least the description) assumes that you have the key.

If you don't have the key you aren't getting in. End of story.

Developer

i have the key..

Bob

Or, if you do get in without the key, then bitlocker is broken and you can easily get lots of money for reporting that (...or selling it if your hat is the darker variety)

@Developer So... you're doing it the hard way for the sake of doing it the hard way? :S

Developer

nope, I am just trying to learn kali :)

Bob

Ah.

In which case... you may as well follow whichever that guide is.

Cause if you start asking people here what the best way of getting into it is, I don't think we'd recommend doing anything with kali as a first resort...

Developer

I watched these ethical learning courses but they are for beginners, they are using kali for it

@Bob I agree

Bob

10:44

@Developer Heh, I've looked at kali... tbh, I don't like it.

But to each his own.

Some people do like it.

It's basically a collection of tools stuffed into an annoying UI.

I can get the same tools myself separately...

Developer

12

Q: Is Windows BitLocker secure?

Naturally I feel that I have to ask this question, since it's a built-in feature in Windows. Let's say someone has physical access to my PC, is there an easy way for them to access a BitLocker protected drive without physically tampering with the PC (such as hardware keyloggers)?

Bob

10:57

@Developer ...wow. Most of those answers are absolute shite.

Except the accepted one.

And kevinze's one, which seems to be the only one aware of the existence of the TPM...

Journeyman Geek

11:17

@Developer the problem with kali is most people who use it are first time linux users and are totally clueless. And kali has a few design decisions that are a trap for em

see

0

A: Why don't you use root for browsing the internet

Kali linux is not meant as a general purpose OS. Its meant to be a standardised platform for deploying specific scripts to do various tasks. Its one of these Very good at what it does. Just not what you need when you want to go grocery shopping. I'm told it runs as root by default which i...

and

4

A: What makes Kali Linux different from other Linux distros for it to be used exclusively for hacking and penetration testing?

I have been asked to first start using Kali Linux and get used to the bash before doing anything in hacking. No. Just no. "Getting used to the bash" means you're lacking somewhat fundamental skills and knowledge in linux. Kali linux is a fairly focused distro designed for penetration testi...

(aibobot is my sock)

Boris_yo

12:09

@JourneymanGeek I didn't know you can't delete incrementals in Veeam. I am running out of space and wish to only keep 3 backups.

I checked if you can cancel too without breaking the chain but you can't even cancel?

Veeam still thinks file are there. What will happen at the restore?

Journeyman Geek

I have no idea. I suspect backups after that may fail.

Boris_yo

12:28

It seems so. I have to remove entire chain.

At least I wish backup policy was backup points based than period based.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek "You'll find that with a certain degree of hacking skill, you'd probably end up customising your own environment anyway." so much this :P

I don't really have much 'hacking' (in the pentest/etc. sense) skill, but I do prefer to grab my own tools as I need them rather than dealing with the overload kali presents

though if yo uwanted one on a flash drive on the go I suppose it'd work

@Boris_yo funnily enough that's the consolidation option Acronis removed too

Boris_yo

@Bob That's why all versions past 2014 suck now...

Bob

@Boris_yo ayup

But I'm now on Win10 which 2014 doesn't support :(

Boris_yo

@Bob Eventually I will switch to Win 10 as I have no choice but is it worth it to get Acronis 2014 for a good deal?

Bob

13:32

@Boris_yo I wouldn't recommend running unsupported backup programs.

Burgi

hey all

Journeyman Geek

hi

Boris_yo

@Bob For now I will use it in W7 until I upgrade to Win8.

Burgi

sorry about last night btw, i didn't want to do that but it was totally out of order

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi the flag?

Burgi

13:45

yup yup

Journeyman Geek

I was going to kick him anyway. Was entirely appropriate.

Journeyman Geek

13:58

"rule of thumb, If it would get you into a fistfight in a pub, don't say it here"

._.

boingboing.net/2016/05/14/banker-implicated-in-one-of-hi.html

Burgi

if that were true why didn't he ever complain to HR for bullying AND mention it when he was originally convicted

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi toxic corporate culture?

I managed to find my music feed on youtube again, yay

but... apparently it thinks I'm interested in the trainwreck that's eurovision ;p

Burgi

is that on tonight?

Journeyman Geek

No idea

someone linked a few videos from past one

which were... odd

and suddenly half my music feed is eurovision

Burgi

no, they are normal... for eurovision

Journeyman Geek

14:13

"for eurovision"

Burgi

nods

Journeyman Geek

Ok, that was a little dark ;p

Burgi

i missed it... :(

if voting to leave the EU meant we would never have to hear about or see eurovision again i would vote to leave

Journeyman Geek

They're apparently exporting it to america this year

Clearly a punishment for the upcoming US election

Burgi

it'll be massive in america

Journeyman Geek

14:15

Do the brits get it?

I mean I totally have no idea what is the fuss about it.

Burgi

we do, we enter it every year too

its meant to be a fun thing to unite europe and show to best of our respective cultures

Journeyman Geek

s/best/worst

Burgi

it is invariably terrible euro-pop that does not sell in the UK at all

Journeyman Geek

>_>

I want to make a joke about there not being non terrible europop, but there's some stuff I actually like ;p

No clippy.

Burgi

lol

Journeyman Geek

14:18

Well I suppose MOST of it is rock

other than indica. And Indica's entirely the fault of a norweigian guy

Burgi

the european countries, despite the EU actually still hate each other because of "history" and tend to vote in blocs

Journeyman Geek

So

Burgi

the eastern european countries will all vote for each other

Journeyman Geek

Its a proxy for beating the shit out of each other every 50 years?

Burgi

france, germany, spain, etc (old europe) will mostly vote for each other

yeah

Journeyman Geek

14:22

"Oh the singing is terrible, but the ALTERNATIVE is nuclear war"

"I'm tempted to think nuclear war better"

Burgi

the scandanavians will vote for the maddest thing shown all night

Journeyman Geek

I think the scandinavians get it

Developer

what would be the easiest way to get hashes out of windows

*Sam database

Journeyman Geek

soap and water?

Burgi

the irish will NOT vote for the UK entry and the UK tends to vote for the most artistically "good" act

Developer

14:23

thought dry water would be enough ? :|

Journeyman Geek

@Developer IIRC the SAM database is a file

so... well

copy it out?

Burgi

all in all us brits are not mad enough to collect any votes

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi yeah,

Developer

@JourneymanGeek IIRC ?

Journeyman Geek

If I recall correctly

Burgi

14:25

if i remember correctly

Journeyman Geek

Also, chat's probably not the best sorta thing for this.

Developer

@Burgi UK is alone, Europe is just an abstraction for UK

Burgi

heh :)

i think if the choice was "become american" or "join europe" we would probably join europe

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi I think the idea seems to be lets stay in europe enough to get the benefits, but out of it enough we don't get borged in

Burgi

thats the plan

but we need to be in it to change it

Journeyman Geek

14:28

If course, the scots are probably thinking the same of the english ;p

Burgi

hence why i will be voting to stay in

Developer

@Burgi but is that what most going to do ?

Journeyman Geek

Other than UK, I consider the EU for all intents and purposes a country in all but name

Developer

were u from originally

Burgi

@Developer as the 2nd largest economy in europe the UK has a lot of swing

Journeyman Geek

14:30

How originally?

I was born in ~~a state of innocence~~ singapore. I'm still here now ;p

Guitar Shoe Dave

14:55

@Boris_yo: Yo, know any good backup apps that are delta based?

that backup filesystems...

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