Root Access

Psycogeek

00:00

@BenN so generally is SSL 3.0 still valid ? Heck i dont even know how they can just start using some other stuff without changing everything.

Ben N

Not quite

216

Q: SSL3 "POODLE" Vulnerability

Canonical question regarding the recently disclosed padding oracle vulnerability in SSL v3. Other identical or significantly similar questions should be closed as a duplicate of this one. What is the POODLE vulnerability? I use [product/browser]. Am I affected? Is [product] vulnerable to t...

Bob

@Psycogeek SSL 1.1 was just about never used. SSL 2.0 was considered insecure about two decades ago.

Ben N

You want things newer than TLS 1

Bob

SSL 3.0 is definitely insecure now.

TLS 1.0 and 1.1 are supported out of necessity but not particularly great - many vulns that require workarounds.

Ben N

howsmyssl.com/s/about.html#beast-vulnerability

Psycogeek

00:02

And therin lies my problem, of course they were all insecure and malable , the day they came out with them. that is why they are called secure :-) But say none of them are set in the options to use, will everything still work?

Bob

TLS 1.2 is the current gold standard.

Ben N

Every serious web server should support modern crypto

Psycogeek

@Bob ok definate, that helps

Bob

@Psycogeek SSL has nothing to do with ping (ICMP) failures.

Ben N

And if you find a web site that doesn't support at least TLS 1.1, complain loudly to them

@Bob Right, ICMP is completely unrelated to SSL; it's at an entirely different layer of networking

You could conceivably deliver SSL'd data in an ICMP packet, but I can't think of an actual use case for that

Psycogeek

00:08

Ok thanks for that. It just went all off last night, and now i can be assured that doesnt change anything that matters. Even if most of anything I Do on the web doesnt require big security.

setting up this "new" computer, i spend rediculous hours adjusting all the options that not only do i have a poor understanding of, but going on the web for the information is Horrid :-)
Stupid Web pages in plenty that will say things like:

"Adaptive Inter-Frame Spacing" is an option that changes the Inter-Frame Spacing on packets that are sent , switching it to enabled, enables Adaptive Inter-Frame Spacing , switching it to disable . . .
Yea ok but WHEN should it be or not be?

Then you realise They just Dont Know
and instead say "Its time like this when you leave it on default"

Ben N

This might help: communities.intel.com/community/wired/blog/2011/01/13/…

<doesn't know anything about that feature, just Googling>

You might have seen that already though

Psycogeek

Intel Networking Blog (YAY!) , has singular proper full explains, of One Item, in One blog each.

500,000 blogs out there, and just 1 with full explains of (just) the ethernet options, in one page , would be beutifull. but the computer generated Crap out there would reign over it still.

Ben N

00:27

For each item in the Ethernet adapter properties
 Ask about the item on SU or SF
 Condense the answer
 Add that information to a web page
End for
Publish web page

Psycogeek

Asking for (all) 15 of them, will just shut the question down. I was thinking of saying i will provide 600 bounty total for the whole list if you do it all in one page. with complete explainantions for each.

Ben N

I was thinking about asking one question per item, slowly :)

Psycogeek

right which is right back where i started

Ben N

Ah

Psycogeek

locating them all via One search.

Canical really

Ben N

00:30

windowsnetworking.com/articles-tutorials/netgeneral/…

Doesn't have them all, and isn't super thorough, but a start

Psycogeek

yea now thats much better

so much of this stuff they invented , jumbo packets (oooooh) but everything comes with it disabled. I just Happen to know they wont work well through my old crusty switch any better. But use scenarios are so helpfull.
Why did you make this . . . then turn it off :-)

in 2025 this will all be working as it should, then obsolete.

DemCodeLines

00:55

For Macbook Retina users, how do you clean your screen?

Psycogeek

01:07

@DemCodeLines support.apple.com/en-us/HT204172

DemCodeLines

So I'm guessing wet cloth won't damage the screen, right?

Psycogeek

as usual i think these manufactures have no idea the layers of crap one can get on thier products . Generally speaking most light weight cleaning can be done with damp cloth and tiny ammounts of detergent. then insuring that no liquids move below the frames/bezels.

Microfiber cloths are recommended (by me too) because (good ones) dont drop lint, and have tiny upright fibers that get in places. But certian ones can be more abrasive. The microfiber rags designed for bathroom cleaning can be plastic harsh. the "polishing" microfiber is best, the fibers finest of all.

If you have snot and sneeze on things , "rehydrating" the proteins by having the liquid stay for some time , without it moving under the frames. Aka leaving the damp cloth on for a few minutes.

If it is road films , smoke, resins, kitchen greace, that is a whole world of different, and (here) requires measures that are beyond manufactures intentions.

Anything with a "coating" is impossible . oily coatings are used on some stuff, and the oleophobic coatings really should never have been used on some things, because they (so far) can be made completely permenent. those 2 are ruined by anything other than distilled water and light clothing. Just fresking impossible all the way around. One cannot "remove" oily fingerprints and oily crap without removing the properties that make these coatings special.

Distilled water can help big time for finishing anything, because of the lack of particulates in the water.

Ell

01:55

@JourneymanGeek here is the question for my not so mundane situation, just in case you're interested: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/280226/… no obligation of course!

bwDraco

02:10

Spam: superuser.com/questions/695621/…

Psycogeek

doesnt even belong there for sure.

Burgi

02:29

gah

i cannot sleep

also am i being too sarcastic in this answer?

0

A: Should I remove my CD-ROM for an SSD?

I wasn't going to post an answer but I felt I should point out some of the issues with your proposal. Firstly, removing the optical drive on a MacBook will leave the slot open on the side of the casing. This would allow dirt, dust and other potentially disruptive foreign objects access to the mo...

Psycogeek

02:59

@Burgi tis true they have much of that stuff worked out, but your concerns would have a person doing some much better research on the replacement factor before acting, measuring and fitting, and checking for proper kits. this is a good thing.

Burgi

thanks

i'm not sleeping at the moment so i'm all.... you know...

jrgnohoihjoreihgreiohgoihjoirduy50iwaf[4qitgjf

like that

Psycogeek

03:15

well then answer questions on yahoo or Ms answers :-)

Burgi

yahoo answers would drive me potty

Psycogeek

i got to stage 2 at yahoo with only 5-6 answers , in less than 2 days.

lower expectations, and even i am an expert there :-)

and it was Fun too, nobody pushing you around, correcting everything you say, closing everything and whining .

Aaron Hall

Trying to help my dad uninstall a stupid program from his W10 computer, we're in "programs and features" (in the control panel) he selected the program, clicked uninstall, and it is asking "do you want to allow this application to update software on your PC?" Do I say yes or no?

Burgi

click yes

Aaron Hall

ugh, "unexpected error..."

Burgi

03:28

if you don't the unistall wizard won't have the correct access to modify the registry and items in the program files folder

Aaron Hall

Should he be running control panel with admin rights?

Burgi

no but it can't hurt

you might also want to check the event viewer for more information on the "unexpected error"

Aaron Hall

It's this stupid program: slimcleaner.com/uninstall.php

Burgi

have you checked that it isn't still running?

Aaron Hall

I had him check the sysinternals process explorer for it, running with admin, to kill it.

he found another one in it.

just ^^

:(

Burgi

03:38

are you doing this remotely over the phone or something?

Aaron Hall

phone

I tried to set up RDP, but gave up since we're running out of time.

Burgi

it might be easier for you to use something like teamviewer

Aaron Hall

no time, we've got to call it a night.

Burgi

fair enough

i was going to say he could set that running and you could remotely keep working on it

Aaron Hall

He's going to try restarting.

Burgi

03:45

heh

i use it all the time with my parents and far flung friends

they just fire it up, give me the code then leave me to fix it

Aaron Hall

hmm... probably should have come here instead of the ask ubuntu room...

does that work for a Linux client?

Burgi

yeah

Aaron Hall

RDP stuff or how does it work?

Burgi

its not RDP

teamviewer.com/en/download/linux

its sort of like VNC but over https

Aaron Hall

ugh, linux binary. :P proprietary software :P bleah

Burgi

03:52

it works really well though and is free for personal use

Aaron Hall

I could run it in a vm

but still :(

He's saying he's getting error 2503/2502

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi worth mentioning hotswap bays.

Aaron Hall

answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/…

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek it was macbook, they don't lend themselves too well to hotswappable drives

@AaronHall is it a trust issue meaning you'd run it in a VM or something?

i'm a bit slow right now, i haven't slept in ages

Aaron Hall

Why not? better safe than sorry, right?

good night, thanks for the moral support!

and info

Journeyman Geek

04:01

@Burgi precisely. And most odd replacements are with caddies that fit in a hot swap bay

Bob

Ugh. I've been struggling with a weird win10 bug all night :\

Psycogeek

@Bob just one?

Bob

@Psycogeek just one annoying one

that no one else seems to have

Burgi

you would have a lot of unscrewing to do to access the bay @JourneymanGeek

the macbook is a single piece of aluminium

0

Q: Enable/Disable Windows 2 Step logon verification from the command line

Is it possible to Enable/Disable Windows 2 Step logon verification from the command line.

command-line windows-10 login ms-dos

thats odd, right?

Psycogeek

i been struggling with about 70 windows 7 bugs for 7 years , nobody even knows they exist :-)

@Bob i didnt mean to interrupt, you are going to tell us about this win10 bug?

Just hacked another program that thought it could go on the web. Why would anyone want thier program to check the web every run of it (not daily or weekly), for "updates" . just little people , if thier program got 1 million people using it, and running it 15 times a day, how does thier (now not even exisiting) little home network handle that.

Some poor sap at that IP (not domain) it getting assaulted with requests that will never be fufilled.

"why are people DDOSing me" :-) As that programmer.

Bob

04:36

@Psycogeek maybe another day. too tired. too hard to explain.

Burgi

spam: superuser.com/questions/1072027/sometimes-the-fundamental

kill it with death!

Psycogeek

You'da think that the automated spam detection would activate on these skin treatment things by now.

so many of them for so long.

Michael Frank

@Psycogeek It's Bayesian poisoning!

Burgi

the only proven anti-aging solution is to die young

Psycogeek

05:08

http://superuser.com/a/1072025/98855 Phht downvote .
I have an old crusty browser that you can disable per tab, it is (pretty much) the only reason I wont discontinue it.

The Key thing here is not to Have To freaking filter everyone, and manually piddle over everything. but to have eveything locked down, and "releace" the dogs only in know trusted locations, and only as nessisary to do what the user desires at that moment.

While that requires a button press for every time i wish to releace, there is no way to put everything in zones.

Burgi

its 6am, i'm finally sleepy

nn

Psycogeek

My hosts file is hundreds of thousands of sites, and kill bits and restricted sites (spyware blaster) another 17k. and the list of evil web keeps growing.
there must be a way to walk on the web without getting stuck, And activate mucho feature items at will too.

like chome if they are going to have a seperate ram sucking process for every web tab, why they cant put a set of 4-6 instant push buttons on it, for (my opinion of) real security and control.

Sathya

05:31

morning folks

Psycogeek

evening, your just in time , want to do some killin' :-)
http://superuser.com/questions/1072034/is-fiber-that-is-thin-another-diet-product <--spam

Sathya

thought it was killed, heh

Psycogeek

your going to take the user out back and beat em too ? O-o

I am getting the Tar heated up, and got a lot of feathers.

Journeyman Geek

05:58

3

bwDraco

06:10

yesterday, by bwDraco

Just got ACIV Black Flag and most DLCs.

...and AC4 is CPU-bound on this machine :(

(Laptops are more likely to suffer from this than desktops as slower CPU clocks are more likely to be a problem than slower GPU clocks.)

PhysX has a profound impact on frame rates, while geometry detail and other settings have little effect. I doubt a GPU overclock will increase frame rates dramatically.

Got stuff to do, so can't chat much.

The AC4 companion app for tablets is useful but not essential.

Community consensus is that AC4 is poorly optimized for PC. Frame rates are highly dependent on CPU sequential (single-threaded) performance.

AC3 is much better behaved than this on my machine.

bwDraco

06:35

Okay. just went to the NVIDIA control panel. Triple buffering is off, which may be hurting performance, so I've turned it on. Will try again, but not much time for games.

...yup. Frame rate went up slightly, but the big improvement is that there's much less frame time variance (so less stutter).

Caterina 'Catty' McCatface

@Bob Which one?

Psycogeek

06:50

@bwDraco cpu bound , so wouldnt that mean even if you turn down the GPU options like AA AF or even reduced the render resolution, that it would still be limited by the cpu?

bwDraco

Huh. So I can set the map marker through the companion app.

@Psycogeek yup.

(hold where you want the map marker in the app and it will show up in-game)

Psycogeek

Being the last Community member to flag for spam , and the Post just dissapearing feels so PowerFull :-)

I did that !

Caterina 'Catty' McCatface

!!caat

ChatBot John Cavil

Abhishek Bhatia

07:06

hi guys!

I am trying to hid complaint mouse on ubuntu

I want to make a mouse work in ubuntu 12.04
It works on ubuntu 15.04
I: Bus=0003 Vendor=4623 Product=011a Version=0111
N: Name="Hite Board-XXXXXXXX"
P: Phys=usb-0000:00:14.0-1/input0
S: Sysfs=/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0/
U: Uniq=
H: Handlers=mouse2 event13
B: PROP=2
B: EV=b
B: KEY=400 0 0 0 0 0
B: ABS=260800000000003
the output of /proc/bus/input which contains the device information

Journeyman Geek

what is it complaining about?

Abhishek Bhatia

it is NOT recolonized in ubuntu 12.04

Journeyman Geek

(also, obligatory statement about this being a terrible place for live support)

But you should know this

Developer

Me again

Could someone please guide me to alteast 1 right article, as I am giong around circles now to find a solution for this

0

Q: DiskToVhd generated VHD is not bootable

I had windows 10 laptop, I used disk2VHD to convert disk into VHD. Now I am trying to mount it to virtual box on another machine, but it seems be not booting. I used windows 10 ISO and through CMD I think non of my partition has property bootdisk = yes. Please guide, how can I convert this VHD ...

vhd

Journeyman Geek

Guys guys.

We've talked about this.

Developer

07:18

Honestly, there is not 1 right article there, I don't understand why vhd created by disk2vhd works for everyone but me

I have followed this article
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/jonjor/2011/10/04/vm-does-not-boot-following-p2v-or-disk2vhd/

but I am stuck there too

Psycogeek

@Developer i have availble reputation to put a bounty on your question if it would somehow help

Developer

that would be awesome, but I am not sure how to say thank you to that though, other then just saying thank you :)

Psycogeek

@Developer your question would have to have all possible information in it First, otherwise it might just go into oblivion.

you got lotsa pics, but is all the information you could relay as to what happened to you in the question?

Developer

yes, basically my generated vhd is not bootable, so I tried msdn's article to fix it, but that fails to at 1 point, then at end I added my main system's configuration as requested in the comments

Psycogeek

@Developer any questions you answered in the comments, move to the original question. any things you tried, explain in the question itself what you tried and what the error results were.

Developer

07:26

@Psycogeek Sure, going to do that now, thanks again

Abhishek Bhatia

@JourneymanGeek yeah :)

Journeyman Geek

erf. Trying to look up documentation, and their documentation is down.

Psycogeek

@Developer to me it just looks like you need to learn how the BCD junk works, and edit it manually, but i no nothing about VMs and even less about VHD.

Journeyman Geek

(ovirt. Want to try a new vm setup when I get my linus box back up)

bwDraco

07:41

Can someone explain how the Windows BCD works?

(Too broad for the main site.)

Developer

@bwDraco I was following str8 forward tutorials though, but going to read about bcd now

bwDraco

@Developer: +1 to your question.

Developer

@bwDraco thanks :), now i can vote as well, yayy

Sathya

07:57

hey @DavidPostill

bwDraco

87

Q: How can I repair the Windows 8 EFI Bootloader?

I installed Windows 7 and Windows 8 in EFI mode on a hard disk some days ago. Today, the bootloader got missing/corrupted. I currently have the Windows 8 installer on a flash drive and tried using the Automatic Repair option to repair the bootloader but it didn't do anything. The Startup Repair ...

windows-7 windows-8 bootloader uefi

Not a duplicate as you're trying to run the image in a virtualized environment but this might hold the solution.

DavidPostill

08:23

@Sathya Morning ;)

Journeyman Geek

08:37

hm

Not cool

I am running a backup of my baseline linux box...

and I have no idea where its backing up to

Psycogeek

lol, well you will find out fast if you need it ? right?

Journeyman Geek

naw, redoing it

Bob

09:40

@Caterina'Catty'McCatface @Psycogeek It seems to have disappeared something like the 10th time into restoring the same backup :\

Basically, I was trying to set my default browser.

To Firefox, Edge, IE, whatever.

It wouldn't stick.

Protocol-specific settings showed that http was set fine but https was not...

If I reset to MS defaults then both are set to Edge but again https is stuck.

Can't even set it to IE.

course it's a pain in the arse to google for cause everyone's complaining about win10 default programs in general

Eventually discovered through profile mutilation/elimination and backup restore that it was some problem with my HKCR, UsrClasses.dat.

Problem was trying to isolate it. Didn't want to delete the whole thing cause that would've broken some COM links.

I ended up staying up all night restoring from backups and deleting bits and pieces from another account. And spent a couple hours scrolling through procmon output looking for anything suspicious.

Ugh.

The whole thing was discovered after uninstalling Fx x86 and installing the x64 version... spent an hour or two on a wild goose chase looking at Fx before trying a different windows account and realising that worked

bloody win10 and it's stupidly convoluted default programs system

ugh.

/rant

@JourneymanGeek Do you think if we created a muscle, body or health tag the spammers would start using em?

Journeyman Geek

lol

maaaaybe

Bob

09:55

@JourneymanGeek reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/4hc6py/…

:P

Funnily enough my PSU is pretty much a dodgy/cheapo but it's actually on the "trusted" list here

Which reminds me I need ot get a better one sometime. Bleh.

Journeyman Geek

10:28

@Bob typically my cheapies don't take out a whole system 0_0

StackExchange

11:45

0

Q: Solution for displaying comment edits

Following situation: user A writes a comment user B begins writing a comment in response to user A user A edits his comment user B submits his comment The problem now is that user B doesn't get the update. In most cases I would move on. But the chance that one misses the edit icon is very lik...

feature-request comments

Ell

12:21

Afternoon folks

@Bob I would never ever cheap out on a PSU or hard drive

but especially the former

they can be a safety hazard :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Ell I've cheaped out on many PSUs

my current build is the first one where I got a decent PSU

(and even that's a boring, solid, seasonic M12)

Ell

Maybe it's just because I've had bad experiences both times I've cheaped out

djsmiley2k

12:43

yawn

bank holiday at work

with no additional pay :(

At least, none that i'm aware of -_-

That Brazilian Guy

What's a "bank holiday"?

Ell

A day off, for most people :D

Burgi

w00t bank holiday

this morning when i was struggling to sleep i took a hayfever tablet and it knocked me out

might try that again tonight

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy british word for a public holiday

Burgi

do you not get bank holidays in singapore?

djsmiley2k

12:51

Any of you guys had the joys of working with mcafee's encyption software?

Journeyman Geek

nope

djsmiley2k

I hate this stupid control that the big guys have over us

Burgi

i think i have some degree of encryption with the AV package i pay for but i have never turned it on

i should clarify that i run mcafee AV

my friend is explaining the problems he is having updating his local version php

40% of OpenBSD installs lead to shark attacks. It's their only standing security issue.

That Brazilian Guy

@djsmiley2k Wait, they pay you extra on your days off?

Burgi

@ThatBrazilianGuy bank holidays are national holidays

That Brazilian Guy

13:01

My question still stands

Burgi

they are days that do not come off your annual allocation so being made to work them means most companies offer an incentive

for example time and half or double pay

Journeyman Geek

0_0

That Brazilian Guy

Does that mean @djsmiley2k is currently at work, during a national holiday, without any extra pay?

How's that not even blatantly illegal?

Burgi

it certainly sounds like it

Ell

does to me too

Burgi

13:06

depends on his contract

That Brazilian Guy

Ha! Here it's a pretty solid case for suing, regardless of any contact

Burgi

Public holidays in the United Kingdom

Public holidays in the United Kingdom, commonly referred to as bank holidays, are days where most businesses and non - essential services are closed although an increasing number of retail businesses (especially the larger ones) do open on some of the public holidays. There are restrictions on trading on Sundays and Christmas Day. == Common Holidays == Four public holidays are common to all countries of the United Kingdom. These are: New Year's Day, the first Monday in May, Christmas Day, and Boxing Day. Some banks open on some bank holidays. == Regional variations == In Scotland, while New Year...

That Brazilian Guy

IIRC, any work after 10pm or on holidays gets double pay, no exceptions

Burgi

> Although there is no statutory right for workers to take paid leave on public holidays, where paid leave is given (either because the business is closed or for other reasons), the public holiday can count towards the minimum statutory holiday entitlement.

in the crazy world of being british i guess that means we only get the days off due to consensus :)

Journeyman Geek

Saw this sign today

That Brazilian Guy

13:14

I think part of it could be due to our salaries being monthly based. I get paid the same on a 28 day or a 31-day month

Ell

@JourneymanGeek interesting

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek Not "a" cow. The cow.

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy the cow

DavidPostill

And "Likewise, if people are required to work on a public holiday, there is no statutory right to an enhanced pay rate nor to a day off in lieu, although many employers do give either or both. Any rights in this respect depend on the person's contract of employment. The statutory minimum holidays are currently 5.6 weeks a year (including any bank holidays or public holidays that are taken)."

XKCD

I tried to send a message back, but I accidentally hit 'reply all' and now the ocean is clogged with message bottles.

Journeyman Geek

13:15

nparks.gov.sg/gardens-parks-and-nature/dos-and-donts/…

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek they either have a single cow, or one of their cows is pretty badass

I'm no mere cow, bitch! I am THE cow!

DavidPostill

There is only one cow.

That Brazilian Guy

No, wait, it's an uppercase Cow. The Cow!

Journeyman Geek

(amusingly, he's a bull)

That Brazilian Guy

However it Looks likey It is a Random case Sign just Like This

Journeyman Geek

13:19

There's another one for wild boar

That Brazilian Guy

(A pet peeve of mine)

Journeyman Geek

but its not as finny

Actually no

Its titlecase for the title

that's normal

Burgi

is that where you are right now?

jokerdino

yes

Burgi

not sure i'd be on the internet with such a pretty landscape to look at

Journeyman Geek

13:27

naw

it was where I was this morning

jokerdino

pulau semakau?

@Burgi it gets hot in the day

Journeyman Geek

coney island

straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/…

Burgi

@jokerdino i meant if i were stood on a beach i would not be also on my phone uploading pictures to the internet

Journeyman Geek

Coney Island, Singapore

Coney Island, alternatively known as Pulau Serangoon, is a 133-hectare island located off the northeastern coast of Singapore within the town of Punggol, between Pulau Ubin to its northeast and the mainland to its southwest. As it is located just 100 metres from the mainland at its closest point, it will be reclaimed to build quality waterfront housing and linked via a bridge to mainland Punggol. Still, in spite of this small distance, motor launches had to be specially hired to reach the island until the opening of Coney Island Park, linked to the main island by two bridges on its western and...

@Burgi I was not.

I took maybe 20 photos over 2 hours ;p

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek i understood that

Journeyman Geek

13:34

Oh

I misunderstood ;p

Burgi

you are making my head hurt

;)

Journeyman Geek

(and 'proper' point and shoot camera. Damn, I so want to get something nicer when I can afford it ;) )

Burgi

13:49

when you say "proper" do you mean a film camera?

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek pulau serangoon

DavidPostill

Hmm. Anybody else think this is a dodgy question?

0

Q: smart card visa cannot perform the requested operation

I have this smart card : 3B 2A 00 80 65 A2 01 01 01 3C 72 D6 43 Estonian bank "SEB" (VISA Electron) and trying to rewrite it by enrolling on behalf of the user. first i got error that smart card driver is not available. then i did this : http://tech.springcard.com/2011/windows-7-smartcard-dri...

windows-server-2012 smartcard

Trying to reprogram a bank card ...

Burgi

agreed

DavidPostill

flagged for mod

Burgi

unless he means those cards you slot into keyboards as part of 2-factor authentication?

DavidPostill

13:58

@Burgi Visa Electron is a Debit Card

Visa Electron

Visa Electron is a debit card available across most of the world, with the exception of Canada, Australia, Ireland and the United States. The card was introduced by Visa in 1985 and is a sister card to the Visa Debit card. The difference between Visa Electron and Visa Debit is that payments with Visa Electron require that all the funds be available at the time of transfer, i.e., Visa Electron card accounts may not normally be overdrawn. Visa Debit cards, on the other hand, typically allow transfers exceeding available funds up to a certain limit. Some online stores and all offline terminals (like...

Burgi

true but he might have got confused

i suspect he will never again update the question so we will never know

DavidPostill

@Burgi No he hasn't.

it expired and i don't have another smart card — george 1 min ago

He's trying to commit fraud

Burgi

yeah

thats obvious now

allquixotic

don't help fraudsters

hi, btw

I'm back to normal now

Burgi

back to normal? i didn't know you weren't normal to begin with...

DavidPostill

14:04

@allquixotic Damn, I was subtly trying to get him to confess

allquixotic

you guys want to hear a funny IT story?

DavidPostill

@allquixotic Go for it ;)

allquixotic

New (by all accounts expensive) laptops for entire Large Enterprise.
The big roll-out has two fatal problems:
1. Windows 7 32-bit + 8 GiB of RAM + 1 GiB of UMA VRAM for the GPU = 2.95 GiB of usable physical RAM. !!no.
2. Everyone got an RF mouse standard with the kit. They interfere with each other.

Burgi

does it involve you stopping @DavidPostill from being columbo? ;)

LOL

name and shame the manufacturer!

allquixotic

HP

Burgi

14:08

genius!

allquixotic

to HP's defense, the choice of 32-bit windows is not their choice, that is Large Enterprise's own IT's choice

Burgi

the RF mouse thing though... i just have an image of a large office full of people fighting their mice

allquixotic

a lot of us resorted to either the TrackPad or TrackPoint on the laptop itself, or scrounged up old corded mice

there are so few people using the RF mice now that they pretty much work

it's a self limiting problem... as people give up on using them, the remaining few can actually use them without interference

Burgi

but the ram/OS issue... thats like having a lamborghini then getting it pulled around by a horse

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allquixotic

yeah lol

Burgi

14:18

btw that guy was trying to use his expired bank card as 2 factor auth card

for instead of using username/password — george 9 mins ago

DavidPostill

@Burgi He would say that of course ;)

Nick

Hey, guys.

djsmiley2k

@Nick Weren't BBS's prior to that?

Nick

I tried writing an article about forums in 400 words. It's a yucky read but is it enough for the modern layman

djsmiley2k

tis nice

Nick

14:28

@djsmiley2k Usenet came before BBS. Right?

djsmiley2k

I don't know :/

Nick

Well, according to Wikipedia, Usenet came first.

Burgi

well before usenet they used newspapers and the small ads section or letters page to share funny pictures of vegetables (cats weren't invented)

Nick

@Burgi: I meant electronically ofcourse. Mission Impossible is the only way my generation can remember this sort of stuff.

@Burgi Mhh, life without cat memes. Inconceivable times.

Burgi

i know right?

Journeyman Geek

14:34

@allquixotic 32 bit OSes are painfully common

mostly cause TPTB don't know better I suspect

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek or they think (rightly or wrongly) that some legacy cruft of "required" software only works on 32-bit

Nick

@JourneymanGeek TPTB = Toilet Paper Tuberculosis? XD

Journeyman Geek

The Powers That Be.

@allquixotic prolly

Nick

@JourneymanGeek I know, I was just messing around ;)

@JourneymanGeek It's better than them running 32 on 64 machines.

Journeyman Geek

@Nick well, running 32bit OSes on machines with 4gb or less could make sense

@Nick that dosen't sound right

Usenet is internet era

BBSes predate that

Burgi

14:43

the first person to use textspeak was a 13th century monk who while copying out the bible wrote in the margin "OMG this is tedious"

DavidPostill

First BBS - CBBS officially went online on 16 February 1978

Usenet was was established in 1980

Burgi

shortly after that someone posted "first!"

DavidPostill

I was around for both ;)

Nick

@DavidPostill Ooh... this calls for a rewrite. Thank you :D

Burgi

were you about for the invention of textspeak?

Nick

14:48

@Burgi l33tsp34k you mean?

Burgi

i was teasing, no

rockpapershotgun.com/2016/04/29/…

do we still trust romero?

Journeyman Geek

lol

Prolly not?

@Nick no no. txtspk

Different dialect

Burgi

our new neighbours are really noisey i can hear them with the windows shut, the strong wind outside and the stupid wind chimes our other neighbour has

allquixotic

noisy? i hope not naughty noisy

Burgi

they are sat at their garden table just talking

but they are the sort of people who have LOUD VOICES

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Nick

14:59

@JourneymanGeek vry dffrnt ... I cringe at the lack of vowels... but, I must admit, it is convenient.

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