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@Dave Yeah. Asking for the "best way" is not good either (opinion based) if you are thinking about asking somewhere else.
Can you help me understand why questions that are related to page render performance are considered not off topic as well then since a font rendering on the page impacts the performance of a page being loaded?
facepalm im confused
s/What is the best way to/How can I/ would be better.
Got cha, just used the wrong words ;(
@Dave I don't hang out on UX so I don't really know why they don't like it. You can ask in their meta.
@Dave I'd actually consider it off-topic. Stack Overflow may be a better site for the question, but be sure to flesh it out and show some research effort.
@Dave There are essentially two ways to measure 1/ Roll your own > stackoverflow 2/ use prewritten software > softwarerecs. The question would have to be customised for each of them though.
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> BLACK DIAMOND MINUS WHITE X
Such creative names for Unicode characters...
(This is U+2756.)
SEE-NO-EVIL MONKEY ๐Ÿ™ˆ
HEAR-NO-EVIL MONKEY ๐Ÿ™‰
SPEAK-NO-EVIL MONKEY ๐Ÿ™Š
๐ŸŽ…๐Ÿฟ santa claus is coming to town ๐ŸŽ…๐Ÿฟ
Problem is that I'd have to enable the touch keyboard for Windows 10 to easily enter emoji, which is less than ideal.
00:21
@bwDraco: curious to know where the 'reversed hand with middle finger extended' emoji's went
๐Ÿ–• :( doesnt work on SE
Be careful, we don't want to attract any flags here!
Let me check who's in the room... (glances).. I think we're good.
Mmm. Pizza's here. Right on time.
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Hearts everywhere :)
For once
They said 40-50 minutes exactly 46 minutes ago.
TYVM Big Data.
Love aggregated numbers.
Some people might say it's just a means to an end but to me, the behind-the-scenes computational analytics is as important a part of the outcome as the on-time pizza itself.
00:48
Worst part is when someone forgets to add the peperoni's when you recieve it and you have to call the pizza place to have them rebuild it
:(
But its definitely a tasty pizza when it's built with all the ingredients correctly.
Yeah but you usually end up getting the second one free
Haha yeah right on
Though sometimes it ruins whatever you're doing if you were planning on starting when the pizza got there
01:08
I wonder why nobody has used GPS/INS for geotagging since.
01:23
Howdy, nerds.
How's things?
haha
@bwDraco You were helping me with my hardware question
I want to put this in my computer: smile.amazon.com/gp/product/…
I have an ASUS P8Z77-V motherboard
One of my onboard internal usb ports is taken up with a chip reader
Hmm.
so I think I need a 20-pin internal port to power the ones that come with that Syba
AND I have two HDDs and an SSD in my case
so I need SATA ports for that Syba too
Sadly, I was about to begin working on a class assignment.
Others might be able to help you out.
01:27
I've never left here before without solving my problems
So I have three PCI slots and a PCIExpress slot open
But I'm not sure if I need more than my 550 watt PSU
So, y'all can see I've gots lots of issues.
The Syba drive is sooooo neat! You get a dock for a 3.5" drive and another for a 2.5" drive plus 2 external USB 3.0 ports - all in one of your drive bays.
So I have to find out: 1. do I have enough power, 2. how shall I attach the sata connections, and 3. how do I attach the usb cable.
If I could find a pci card that had the usb port PLUS the two sata ports, that would work out perfect
as long as there is enough power
as for the power cables, I can just use a splitter to feed the drive bay
I've never bought nor used this hardware pieces before, so I'm rather gambling
so I figured the nerds here know more than I
(not that I don't have nerdlike qualities, myself, I confess)
However, methinks the nerds are all eating dinner right now.
Except myself, I've just finished a short time ago.
Hence, that's why I'm talking to myself.
No, I don't always talk to myself after I've finished eating.
@bgmCoder I have the same XD
XD - you mean the Syba?
no the P8Z77-V
01:42
oh - :)
you have a lot of text there, I'm not sure really what the crux of your question is
haha - sorry
I want to put this in my box: smile.amazon.com/gp/product/…
but I need some parts to make it work
so I think I need a 20-pin internal port to power the ones that come with that Syba AND I have two HDDs and an SSD in my case so I need SATA ports for that Syba too
but I'm also worried about having enough power; I have a 550 watt PSU
@allquixotic Are you still there?
I was thinking about this: smile.amazon.com/SEDNA-Express-External-Internal-uPD720201/dp/… pci sata port usb 3.0 20 pin
It has a SATA port AND a USB 20-pin port
02:08
God I love sublime text soo much.
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02:18
@allquixotic You've been offline on Steam for a while :P
@Bob Someone is monopolizing my Steam collection
@bgmCoder PCIe, right? Not regular PCI?
I have 3 open PCI slots and one open PCIe slot
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@allquixotic o.O in the shared account sense and not the family sharing sense?
@Bob no, in the Family Sharing sense
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@allquixotic Huh. Didn't know that required you to be offline.
02:21
it doesn't
but I haven't signed into Steam
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Oh.
@allquixotic By choice, not by Steam requirement?
(I've not actually used family sharing apart from some brief testing)
@Bob just haven't fired it up
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@allquixotic Ah... I have the thing on autostart -_-
@bgmCoder Measure actual power usage under load.
I bet it doesn't go over 300 W.
even with ZOTAC GeForce GT 440 Synergy Edition
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"GT 440" that's nothing
02:30
Lol he needs a 250w power supply
really? it's got 2gb
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...wut
and I have a chip reader
2GB uses 5w
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That has... just about nothing to do with power usage.
02:30
2GB GPU
2GB uses 5w.
well, it will suck more power the more GPU it uses, no?
2GB uses 5w when at maximum usage
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A GT 440 is 65 W TDP.
2 GB of VRAM is negligible.
2GB of VRAM is 5w.
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02:31
There's no such thing as a "2 GB GPU"
That does not parse.
@qasdfdsaq As I said, negligible :P
Though, 5 W is a bit higher than I would've guessed off the top of my head.
Still, that's nothing to even think about speccing for. If your margin is so close that 5 W matters, you have other things to worry about.
@Bob Yeah but it's old and not as efficient as modern stuff
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@qasdfdsaq Point.
Anyway. There's a reason they only recommend a 300 W PSU for that card. And even that is much higher than you'd really need, IMO.
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Video card recommendations of PSU requirements tend to veer far on the safe side.
Yup
Listen to Bob. Bob knows words.
;)
5 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq
Lol he needs a 250w power supply
02:35
okay okay! So I'm not worried for power then
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Nah, listen to qasd. He knows his specs :P
@bgmCoder GT 440 is Fermi. Do you know how old this architecture is?
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@bgmCoder Not unless you have a GTX 980 Ti hidden somewhere in there.
@bwDraco It doesn't really matter how old it is as long as it works for him...
I mean, sure, being on the bleeding edge is nice. But it's not entirely necessary.
my board is ASUS P8Z77-V
The card uses only 65 W at full load. I'm not sure you'd need even a 300W PSU.
02:40
Hey Bob is this morning for you or are you just up really late?
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@qasdfdsaq lol... I've been up since slightly before 12.
My sleeping pattern is screwed, though.
Slept something like 9 PM => 3 AM, then 9 AM => 11:30 AM.
GTX 750 Ti (Maxwell GM107) gives you about 4x the performance with less power consumption. That's how far we've come.
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@qasdfdsaq Then again, it's something like 2 AM where you are, isn't it?
@Bob Yeah but 2am is pretty normal for normal people on a saturday night
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lol
Dammit, want to find new music again...
Hm. Any suggestions this time around, @allquixotic? :P
02:43
so I'm trying to get the syba into my box but I need two extra sata ports
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Just had a bit of a PotF spree over the last week...
@bgmCoder No you don't
...and they're thoughtful enough to include a Molex to PCIe power adapter.
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Hm. last.fm now says they're my second most played all time
Still a while to go before overtaking Swift :P
potf?
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02:45
@qasdfdsaq Poets of the Fall
Never heard of 'em
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@qasdfdsaq Well, now you have!
Lol, well that's a little out of date.
(This is the highest-clocked version of the GTX 750 Ti EVGA makes.)
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02:46
Or
> Your compatibility with qasdfdsaq is Super.
O_O
As of late 2014 anyway
Lol. Swifty isn't even in my top 10
Yeah every time I reset my last.fm some completely different genre gets to the top. Not just a different artis.
It's almost as if my musical taste changes as I get older...
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@qasdfdsaq I haven't for a while, but at some point I tended to leave it on a lot.
Watching things slowly catch up though :P
I think it went down drastically as she left Spotify.
@qasdfdsaq I just jump around a lot.
Speaking of, my previous top bands... I haven't listened to for years
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I'm pretty sure PotF was originally an @allquixotic recommendation, but I'm generally open to other suggestions too.
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487024 - single-fan, not as highly clocked (by a very small margin), but seems to be more reliable and doesn't require PCIe aux power
02:52
^^ Those are basically what my top artists used to be...
Or that
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> Your compatibility with Oceansoul_87 is Low.
lol
> Your compatibility with Lestats_NR is Super.
How does this thing work, anyway?
Fuck knows... I sorta stopped using it roundabouts when they started introducing all those weird social features
If you have an old PC and don't want to have to upgrade the PSU, there isn't a much better choice of video card than this. It'll handle most games at 1080p at high settings without eating a shit-ton of power.
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new social features..?
The whole "Compatibility with" thing and "Shit friends listen to" and "Discover music listened to by other people like you"
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02:57
ah
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Q: What happens if you exceed the maximum speed on a C172?

kepler22bThe airspeed indicator has a red marking that means: "never exceed this speed" ($V_{NE}$, around 160 KIAS). Why can't you exceed that speed?

@qasdfdsaq Can I post one of your KSP explosion videos? :P
@Bob The aircraft would quite literally fall apart. The VNE speed is basically the structural limit for the airframe.
I don't find my explosions particularly special, but eh.
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@qasdfdsaq was joking... don't think aviation.se would particularly appreciate the comment
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03:00
@bwDraco No, it would potentially be damaged.
I don't want a new graphics card
Ah, I didn't get the link between your message and the question
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It's the limit the manufacturer guarantees it'll survive below, IIRC.
I understand, but once you go past VNE, all bets are off with respect to the structural integrity of the airframe.
03:01
I want to put that syba drive dock bay in my box, but I don't have enough sata ports
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@bwDraco Yes, you're flying without any guarantees, but it wouldn't fall apart either.
Given the choice between crashing into something and exceeding VNE, go with the latter.
@qasdfdsaq private
@qasdfdsaq The video is private.
Whaa
Try again
@qasdfdsaq It might take some time for the video to be processed. Give it a bit and it should be publicly viewable.
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@qasdfdsaq It's up now
03:03
So as I say, "Jet!" flies reasonably realistically
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I wonder what the VNE is there :P
And like IRL airliners theres very little clearance between the engine nacelles and the ground
Which becomes noticeable during ... certain rough landings
VNE... I don't really think there is one tbh. Ferram does model maximum "aerodynamic stress" but real-life problems like aeroelastic flutter don't exist in KSP
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@qasdfdsaq Now it's time to simulate some accidents
Surface separation, vortexes, turbulence, etc. also don't get modelled in KSP
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Blow a door or flap off mid-flight
Break one of the engine struts
03:06
Eh I've done worse.
Few hours ago I had to land a spaceplane without the tailplane
I managed to tear it off during a mach 20 re-entry >_>
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o.O
Anonymous
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..wut
Pulling 20 G's in a plane that was never tested beyond 8G's... yeah not good
Bentium? Is that like that nnicrosoft guy?
@PatoSรกinz Not just this.
Intel also pulled dirty tricks to prevent AMD to competing effectively, ultimately leading to an antitrust lawsuit.
Anonymous
03:11
yes, I know about the ICC, etc.
Prescott having 31 stages and running insanely hot is certainly not the only issue with P4.
For an in-depth discussion on CPU architecture and design, see superuser.com/questions/543702/…
May 18 '15 at 15:40, by DragonLord
http://www.vanshardware.com/reviews/2002/08/020822_AthlonXP2600/020822_AthlonXP2‌​600.htm
They had the guts to create a "benchmark" that was intentionally biased to favor them.
This is still an issue today.
Thank god these landing gear are robust, I'm going to have reach orbital speed on them...
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@qasdfdsaq Not just takeoff?
@Bob I have 0.8 TWR. On an airless body.
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O_O
That's a loooooooong runway
03:27
Yeah I landed on Ike and refuelled. Hadn't realised I'd downsized the engines so far that they don't have enough thrust to take off again :-/
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Oh there's refuelling?
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Stock?
Yup.
Stock lets you mine rocket fuel and monoprop. Mods let you mine metal and build stuff too.
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Cool
I really might have to pick it up again :P
03:30
Gotta start answering more questions...
As it turns out, my wild idea of landing on wheels when I didn't have enough fuel to de-orbit would have actually worked
@Bob You should. It's a lot easier than I make it sound
(I'm playing on... hard mode)
So don't get put off by my daily struggles
@qasdfdsaq: Is this an acceptable solution??
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A: Excel is not scrolling values for an SQL stored procedure

DaveThe datediff function within SQL Server allows you to compare the difference in time between two dates to achieve your same desired output Example: SELECT Number, [Date], [Total], datediff(day,'1899-12-30',[Date]) as Column1 FROM .... WHERE ....

Dunno...
Should I know?
Well it doesnt answer the issue with excel, but it's a work around to a potential bug.
03:47
Ooh yeah. Orbital speed. On wheels
And the other benefit? No gravity losses!
Most efficient take-off I've ever done, and only because I accidentally shrunk my engines too far
So my VNE is lower than 28km/sec
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Q: Why are USB flash drives slower than SATA SSD's?

TommyAs a broad generalization current generation SSD's have write performance of around 500MB/s. Premium USB flash drives have write performance of circa 170MB/s, looking at Kingston Predator and Patriot Magnum as example. In sizes of 256GB/512GB the of the high end USB flash drivers price per GB i...

Wow. Spent almost half an hour composing my answer before noticing that it's a duplicate.
Deleted the answer and reposted it to the duplicate target.
Entering atmosphere at 72,000 miles per hour.... hurts
04:51
@Bob Are we playing tonight?
@Bob yeah - you like them?
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@allquixotic Uhm... if you want? :P
But JMG won't be there.
What do you guys play?
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@allquixotic Yup. If you look a bit below that - it's now second on my last.fm artist list apparently :P
@qasdfdsaq SCL
@allquixotic we could do a few dungeon runs
Huh. Not heard of it
MMORPG?
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@qasdfdsaq not massively, but it is an RPG. => store.steampowered.com/app/325600
04:54
@qasdfdsaq swordcoast.com
Sorry, kinda got a bit confused there.
(Not sure if qasdf actually sees it because I'm ignored)
D&D5-based CRPG.
not-M MORPG then
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05:08
@allquixotic you there?
05:18
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Q: USB flash drive not working or is appearing as an empty disk drive, Disk Management reports "No Media" with 0 bytes size

bwDracoI have a USB flash drive which is no longer recognized by my computer. Windows Disk Management and DiskPart report No Media with no storage space (0 bytes) on the drive and I cannot partition or format the drive: Source If the drive appears in Windows Explorer, trying to access it returns an e...

@Bob whoops, sorry
got sucked into TOR, but will see if I can escape soon
unfortunately it won't involve the SO (StackOverflow or other possible acronym of SO)
Is a 7 inch windows tablet a good idea ?
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lol
@allquixotic ah...
@allquixotic well, it's entirely up to you if you want to today or not
@HackToHell Too small for Windows to be honest. 8-9 inches is really the minimum for Windows 10. 7-inch devices are expected to run Windows 10 Mobile and not the desktop version.
@HackToHell Depends what you want out of a 7 inch windows tablet
05:25
This means newer 7-inch tablets will not be able to run Win32 desktop appsโ€”not that you would want to anyway.
In fact, anything smaller than about 9 inches (or about the size of my Nexus 9 Android tablet, at 8.9") is not exactly well-suited for desktop Windows.
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@qasdfdsaq I can't help but read "RPG" as the scream in Insurgency.
(NSFW language)
Ooh 60fps
Damn my monitor is so damn good
@Bob I don't know what this game is, but I like it.
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lol. Insurgency. semi-realistic FPS
RPGs and grenade launchers are basically all I do in COD
And Cattlefield
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@qasdfdsaq That particular video is against brutal bots, who used to love RPGing at the slightest movement. So many teams lost that way...
05:33
@bwDraco oh, gonna get it for light reading cc @qasdfdsaq
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An update about half a year ago changed, that, though.
And a bit of work if need be
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Now they just flank heavily :\
it has a hdmi port
so I can just attach a mouse and keyboard and work remotely
7" is nice and small but it's not exactly a great size for Windows. Android works pretty well on 7" tablets, though.
05:33
Eh. My FPS playstyle is basically explosives, explosives, and buttrape with explosives.
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@qasdfdsaq There's usually 2-5 RPG/NL roles on each side of a 32-player server.
It can do ssh and that's all i pretty much need
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Almost everyone can get standard frag nades.
Ah I should go to bed.
@HackToHell You do know there's an RDP client (made by Microsoft no less) for Android?
05:34
But I'm just sitting here staring at my monitor admiring how bloody good it is :-/
That's the tablet, there isn't a android tab for that price point ;p
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I think 1-2 C4 roles on the attacking side.
@qasdfdsaq 'night, then.
@bwDraco yeah I know, I just wanna play with a windows tab tbh
@HackToHell I... wouldn't
05:35
@qasdfdsaq Too horrible ?
Reading... there's better platforms than Windows on a tablet.
Getting actual work done... good luck.
The desktop experience is not exactly optimized for such small devices. I'd just get an Android tablet instead.
Imagine a 2006 netbook running Windows 7/8/10.
You can get fairly decent high-end Android tabs in that sorta size range but the Windows ones tend to be landfill-quality garbage.
If you insist on desktop Windows, get an 8- or 10-inch device instead.
So my monitor is so bloody good all it makes me want is to buy the $5000 Dell OLED instead because it's the only thing that's better.
It's just so close to perfection but not quite there
05:40
@qasdfdsaq You might want to look into Flanders Scientific if you really want to spend that much money on a monitor.
I'm not kidding here. Have a look.
Hmm. Not sure if FSI ships to the UK.
But do you really need a cinema production-grade display?
You'd need a workstation graphics card to drive this sort of monitor, for starters.
10-bit color is meaningless without a Quadro or FirePro card.
The driver suites for these cards are not for gaming. You will get worse gaming performance than if you used a gaming card with the matching drivers, even with the same underlying GPU.
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@qasdfdsaq Eh, not quite that bad.
I have a 2009 netbook.
And a Win8 tablet from ~2013.
The Win8 tablet is miles ahead.
Also, the added color accuracy provides virtually no benefit to consumers in practically any imaginable use case.
@Bob let's skip? I'd rather wait til JMG is back
or at least the SO
It's more color gamut, precision and accuracy than would be required for even professional photo editing. I'm not kidding.
Cinematographers need these sorts of displays only because the slightest color error in a movie can be readily visible to the audience.
Even switching between different cameras during filming can introduce slight color errors which must be corrected for in post. Absolute color consistency is a must for movies.
I simply cannot think of any other application that requires this level of color accuracyโ€”not even professional fine-art photography.
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05:58
@allquixotic k
JMG should be back in two weeks
@allquixotic Alternatively, we could do a couple of dungeon crawls to get your char back up to level. I can hop on my alternate. But that'd be for next weekend anyway.
I can't recommend any display of this sort unless you have a use case that requires itโ€”and no consumer use case can benefit from such a display.
06:21
@HackToHell I wouldn't skimp on things like this, no matter how tempting it may be. I'd spend closer to US$200-250 (~Rs. 15,000) if I wanted a cheap Windows tablet.
Super-cheap tablets of this sort are only going to lead to frustration.
I expect my devices to provide a usable experience over at least a two-year period.
The quality of most computing devices falls off a cliff below a certain price point. For Windows tablets, it's about US$200. For Android tablets, it's about $120-150.
Actually, lots of electronic devices are like this.
For laptops, it's about $250-300. For compact cameras, it's about $100-120.
06:50
@JourneymanGeek, anything of note?
Good night, folks.
JMG, good luck with your family issues. I kinda envy your maturity...
07:10
My availability is going to be limited tomorrow due to academic demands. See ya.
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08:09
@bwDraco I'd disagree for Windows tablets, TBH. The hardware isn't that different at the lower prices.
Android, you can end up with utterly unusable SoCs
08:27
@bwDraco It's mostly to read books and for mom to watch videos on youtube
The getting work done is an added advantage for presentations ans stuff at college
i don't wanna lug around my laptop
The HDMI port is definitely a pro
08:45
@bwDraco Done ;)
08:55
mornin
Greetings
I've decided to use "Greetings" instead of morning, evening or whatever as it is timezone independent ;)
@tereลกko Yes, I already saw that ;)
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09:43
@qasdfdsaq Ever tried to simulate a SpaceX-style landing?
iirc there are mods for barges
10:25
@DavidPostill On #mercurial they used to use GUG (Generic UTC Greeting).
And Christian on TeX SE chat uses maen (morning, afternoon, evening, night).
@FaheemMitha Thx.
11:03
Does anyone know an efficient way to construct an n page blank PDF?
I can do a one page PDF with
echo "" | ps2pdf -sPAPERSIZE=a4 - blank.pdf
And then glue n pages together with pdftk. But I'm sure there is a better method.
 
1 hour later…
12:16
@FaheemMitha Blank Word document, save as PDF?
@MichaelFrank Yikes. I don't use Word, but thanks for the suggestion.
I was looking for a programmatic solution.
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