Root Access

Bob

14:05

@Ramhound I consider it an important distinction, because people end up bashing UEFI the standard when firmware the implementation does a shit job at it.

And I say that BIOS is a de facto standard specifically because it is/was a de facto standard. I wouldn't claim it to be a 'proper' standard in the same sense that UEFI is.

Ramhound

Alright I can understand that

Bob

It's not a de jure standard, with an official spec, but a de facto standard because everyone uses it by convention.

Somehow it more-or-less worked.

Ramhound

There is no problem with the UEFI standard and only an implementation of the actual implementation of the standard itself at times.

We might thank MS for being a monopoly for that one :$

Bob

@Ramhound IMO, it does end up being a bit complex and a bit unclear at times (I've tried to read it). But most of the issues people complain about are definitely implementation-specific issues.

Ramhound

They made dozens of "manufactures" all implement more or less the same thing :$

Bob

14:09

When people say the config menus are lacking options, when people say Secure Boot is a pain to config or add certificates to, when people say the boot manager menu sucks. That's all on the implementation.

Though, to be fair, it does apply to the majority of existing implementations -_-

(Who are probably by the same companies anyway... Award, Phoenix, etc.)

Ramhound

Secure Boot gets a bad rap

I blame outspoken Linux "developers", not the actual people doing the programming, but the "key people" for that

Bob

@Ramhound I like the concept. But as soon as you wander away from the world of Windows it can end up being a real pain.

Ramhound

And the Linux community has a whole for not coming up with a solution they could agree on how to support it.

Everyone just ran around with their head cut off for year and half

Which basically was the entire support cycle of 8 :$

thus Secure Boot become = Win 8 = BAD

Bob

@Ramhound Related example: tomshardware.com/answers/id-2153360/motherboard-uefi-bios.html

(the guy who responded is actually wrong. the firmware on that board does implement UEFI, despite having "BIOS" in its name...)

Actually, I'm not aware of any x86 boards supporting USB 3.0 that are pure legacy PC BIOS.

Ramhound

That is because of Intel

qasdfdsaq

14:14

@Bob: You're wrong!

Bob

That board has an AMD socket.

@qasdfdsaq Hm? Is there one?

qasdfdsaq

I dunno, I just like saying it.

Bob

-_-

Ramhound

Intel basically dropped support for USB 2.0 with their newest chipsets.

qasdfdsaq

I should check my old laptop.

Ramhound

14:16

What I was going to say was

qasdfdsaq

IIRC it's non-EFI, but I'm not sure

It looks like an old BIOS, it's pre-Windows-8, and I don't recall ever EFI booting on it

Ramhound

Intel dropped boot support for USB 2.0 which is connected to "legacy usb mode" which goes back to "legacy mode"

Which goes back to Win 7 support on Intel Gen 6 devices, people wonder why that announcement was made, well you can't install Windows 7 SP1 RTM on a Gen6 device over USB 3 without providing a USB 3.0 driver

So when they talk about hardware support there really are things Intel is changing that MS is having to either port back changes that comes to Win 10 because of that to Win 7 and 8 or simply not support

Sort of like how Apple does not support a 32-bit kernel anymore, so the people who didn't have x64 processors, were left behind

Bob

@Ramhound Could've still announced that reason.

Ramhound

They sort of di.

That USB fact has been true for awhile

Bob

They failed PR, then.

Ramhound

14:21

I mean they literally said this was because of hardware changes

I don't disagree

Bob

@Ramhound Could've been more specific. Considering x86 is backwards-compatible enough that you could probably still run programs designed for the 8086 on it. The issues with installation are a different matter entirely.

Though... you could probably still install Win7 by DVD shrug

Ramhound

You can

But take a look at the landscape

We have extremely versatile tablets on the market

Which can be docked.

qasdfdsaq

You can install Win7 by anything. DVD, floppy, USB, network...

Bob

I'd like to see someone do it by floppy.

Yes, Clippy, I would.

Ramhound

Those devices don't nessarly have drives.

Please don't troll me, kthnx

I am not particularly in the mood for your trolling comments

qasdfdsaq

14:33

And constantly spreading misinformation like that is exactly what gets people blocked

Hennes

Morning. (13. 3:33PM local is not quite morning)

qasdfdsaq

14:34 here. And I just got up.

Ramhound

I encourage you to block me. I only unblocked you so I can report your trolling comments and personal attacks towards me I have no desire to directly interact with you

Journeyman Geek

and guys. Chill.

@qasdfdsaq I think the last version of windows that allowed a full floppy install was 95. 25 floppies?

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Lol. Is he raging because I have him on block, again?

Journeyman Geek

14:36

Oh, more in general

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Sorta. You can still use floppies to bootstrap installers. You can't do 100% of the install from a floppy though

2,500 floppies would be a bit... much

Ramhound

If I were to rage....Yeah this isn't me raging

Bob

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq does 7+ support that? You could hackily use a bootloader floppy to load an unsupported media...

Bob

Journeyman Geek

14:37

but I doubt anything modern would not support the basics...

Faheem Mitha

@Mokubai Is that a recommendation? :-)

Hennes

Who here has experience with large drives and MBR?
Easy bounty located here:

@Hennes I have nothing against GPT and I fully agree that it has many advantages over MBR. It was just a theoretical question and we both understand it the same way, i.e in case of 4Kn drives the max partition size is 16TiB(I used TB as a unit in my initial question) even with MBR. — Martin 3 hours ago

Journeyman Geek

@FaheemMitha 10 is nice

qasdfdsaq

I hate Windows 10 -_-

Hennes

So do I.

Faheem Mitha

14:38

@JourneymanGeek Ok.

qasdfdsaq

I hate it because I need it so much. And yet it angers me.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq sush you. You're just being contrary ;p

Hennes

It does not have any place for applications

Just an menu with apps

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Did you not follow my 3 days of live commentary on trying to get Windows 10 to work properly on my laptop?

Hennes

And that is fully of doznes of useless entries which make it hard to find what you are looking for

Faheem Mitha

14:38

I'm just trying to run my scanner. Then I'll go back to pretending MS doesn't exist.

Mokubai

@FaheemMitha I do actually like Win10. Win8 was borken and 10 is moving forwards from it.

Faheem Mitha

@Mokubai Ok. Win 10 it is.

Bob

@Mokubai If you go by weird bugs and glitches, Win10 was more broken at release than Win8 at release -_-

Journeyman Geek

@FaheemMitha basically windows 10 is the nice backend things in 8/8.1 ++, with a slightly hybrid windows 7 style menu (which you can trivially switch to an XP or 7 style one with external software...)

Mokubai

Like all OSes it has quirks and expects you to do things in certain ways. Win10 multi desktop support is much more mature than previous versions

Bob

14:39

If you go by the desktop experience, Win10 is better. Or would be if said bugs did not exist.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob tho, that's cause nearly all of us upgraded

qasdfdsaq

And not to mention, the display resolution settings are actually fake

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I had a brand new installation of Win8. And then 8.1. I also had a brand new install of Win10 for testing. Guess which one had the most weird bugs.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob 8? ;p

Bob

...10

qasdfdsaq

14:40

Oh I like the UI

Hennes

@Ramhound True. Sadly many people state that they have a 'EFI BIOS' when they mean 'my motherboard firmware is loaded with an EFI implementation which has a legacy compatability mode'

qasdfdsaq

The Windows 10 UI is nice. Ironically, it's the backend that sucks.

And that's coming from someone who's still singing the praises of Vista because the backend was great but the UI sucked.

Hennes

I never ran vista *(well, I did for about 10 minutes)

Bob

@qasdfdsaq It looks nice. But the actual flows to accomplish <task> get ridiculous.

Hennes

But 10 takes some getting used to.
E.g. opening the start menu seem to require right clicking rather than left

Mokubai

14:42

Vista was honestly pretty okay if you had a decent graphics card

Bob

And break a lot of UX guidelines.

qasdfdsaq

Vista had far better support for large sector drives, SSDs, and RAID arrays.

And DX10.

Bob

So many options hidden behind seemingly-unrelated links...

The 'local account' option is already a pain in the arse to get to. Turning Cortana on or off is also a pain.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob True. But it's still not as nasty as 8(.x). And I spend 95% of my control panel time in the classic control panel

Heh, I'm used to local accounts being hard. Because I always use the local built-in administrator, which has been a pain to get to for several versions already.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yea, 8 started the ridiculous workflows. 8.1 improved some, made others worse. 10 did the same.

qasdfdsaq

14:43

That said I did get asked by the feedback tool during the previews "Why did you choose not to sign in with a Microsoft account?"

and I answered "Because I don't like you."

Bob

@qasdfdsaq That's a lot more obscure and less necessary than a normal local account, though :P

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Exactly, and since I'm so used to that, the local account thing doesn't faze me

Bob

That they even have a (disabled) special admin account seems to be more for legacy support.

Meanwhile local accounts have real use cases that can't be accomplished otherwise.

qasdfdsaq

Are you saying I don't have an actual use case? :-(

Bob

@qasdfdsaq See edit :P

The special admin account gets you a fancy name and elevation-by-default, but you can technically do all that with a normal account and some tweaking.

qasdfdsaq

14:46

Ah, but what you can't do with a normal account is use the username "Administrator"

Bob

lol

qasdfdsaq

Which is already in use globally across my entire computing estate. So I'm not going to go round renaming accounts on 10+ machines...

Bob

@qasdfdsaq If they didn't include the special account? You probably could.

I wonder what would happen if you deleted the special account and just made a normal one with the same name.

qasdfdsaq

It's a reserved name

Bob

Ah.

Mokubai

14:47

@qasdfdsaq Why do you need to use that name?

Bob

But, yea. You need the special account because the special account exists.

Mokubai

Does it matter that much?

qasdfdsaq

@Mokubai Because all my existing machines have that account name on it already.

Mokubai

And?

Bob

If the special account did not exist, the name would not be reserved and you wouldn't need it being special :P

So you need it because it's there.

qasdfdsaq

14:48

And I can't be bothered going round renaming all of them, moving user profiles, etc. etc.

Hennes

Heh. Su is down to 299,923 (at least 73 deleted/wiped/moved/whatever since yesterday.

qasdfdsaq

@Mokubai I use single sign-on

Mokubai

@qasdfdsaq fair enough

qasdfdsaq

I'm hopeful the upcoming W10 scaling improvements might help the fake resolution scaling

Hennes

Meh, I need to go shopping (for both today and to have food for FOSDEM tomorow).
But it rains and I am made of sugar!

qasdfdsaq

14:57

@Hennes Online groceries!

Hennes

(That is my balcony. Front of the flat is not much better)

qasdfdsaq

Amazon Fresh!

Hennes

I think I already checked, but: Noone here near EHV NL and going to Brussel?
Car (seating 4, filled with 3) leaves tomorrow around 7 AM.

qasdfdsaq

Oh

Bob

@Hennes Your balcony needs a slope -_-

Hennes

14:59

It has one. Away from the drain.

Bad bad bad design

Bob

Hennes

Notice the dry spot in the top right, go left a meter and there is the drain

Bob

source

qasdfdsaq

Oh wow holy crap

I didn't even notice the tail till I saw the title on Reddit

Journeyman Geek

@Bob coon or weegee I wonder

qasdfdsaq

15:01

But the calico coat!

I adopted some broken calico cats once

Didn't know you could get long-haired calicos

Faheem Mitha

Thanks for the Win feedback, everyone.

It left me slightly confused, but it seems the consensus is in favor of 10, so I'll go with that.

qasdfdsaq

15:20

You really don't have much choice

Microsoft is only supporting any new hardware on W10

Ramhound

Its hardware partners are also likely driving that

Along with Intel/AMD

I suspect Apple will make similar decisions and Ubuntu/ect will introduce features that will make older hardware inaccessible to those versions.

Faheem Mitha

15:46

@qasdfdsaq I'd prefer to get an older version, because I could probably buy it cheaper.

@Ramhound The Linux kernel only depreciates things very very gradually.

Ramhound

The kernel might

Faheem Mitha

Hardware is usable on Linux systems long after proprietary platforms have forgotten about it.

Ramhound

Ubuntu is pretty aggressive feature wise though

Faheem Mitha

Case in point - I'm running a SB Live here.

allquixotic

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YA YA YA

Faheem Mitha

15:48

@Ramhound Perhaps. You don't have to use it, though. Use Debian instead.

qasdfdsaq

@FaheemMitha Not really different from Windows.

Faheem Mitha

I don't think Windows supports the SB Live any longer. But I could be wrong.

qasdfdsaq

SB Live is still supported on W10 IIRC.

Ramhound

Hardware is changing quicker then ever before

allquixotic

Trololo Sing Along!

►

qasdfdsaq

15:48

Audigy and X-Fi is too.

Faheem Mitha

@qasdfdsaq Ok. My mistake.

qasdfdsaq

And it's not really up to Windows, but rather the manufacturer. Creative are especially good at long-term driver support.

I was pleasantly surprised when I found W10 drivers for my 8-year-old X-Fi card a few months back.

Windows 10 still supports floppy disks after all... And COM ports and modems :-/

allquixotic

speaking of.... my work laptop, Haswell-era, has a strange port I don't know what it is

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Pics?

allquixotic

it looks like a VGA male connector, and it has the marking "IOIOIO"

qasdfdsaq

15:52

You mean like this?

allquixotic

yup

qasdfdsaq

That's a COM port...

allquixotic

oh - so why does a Haswell laptop with a 1080p screen, DisplayPort and other such modern things have a COM port?

qasdfdsaq

Dunno. Is it a business laptop?

allquixotic

oh yes

HP ProBook, so very much so

qasdfdsaq

15:53

Quite a few things (particularly enterprise routers, servers, etc.) still have serial consoles.

Hell, even our projectors have a serial port for control >_>

allquixotic

I can't remember ever needing a serial port for anything, despite working with PCs since the days of DOS version 4.something with a 486 SX and 2 MB of RAM with a 180 MB HDD

unless all those game controllers I had used it, can't remember

qasdfdsaq

As I say, serial ports are still standard on nearly all enterprise datacentre equipment. You rarely need to access them directly, but when you do, you really need to.

allquixotic

I still remember the first night I (we) got on the web with a 28.8k modem

or maybe it was 14.4

I love how humor is built into every page of louisck.net

he even insults you if you forget your password

Faheem Mitha

@qasdfdsaq The Linux devs do a lot of third party hadrware support. Usually it stays in the kernel as long as there are people using it.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq people are going to say the same about our non-type C USBs

Anonymous

16:03

I just had to hack an RJ11 jack cable into a DB9 serial to get to an APC PDU's console becuase somebody fucked the TCP/IP config up

Anonymous

damn you APC and your weird cables

qasdfdsaq

RJ11 serial isn't that weird either

Pretty much every server room small or large probably has at least one adapter, we've got dozens of them in a box

My last place even had a team whose job it was to fabricate tons of those adapters

Bob

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq we couldn't find ours

qasdfdsaq

@Bob What's with all the random, context-less fox pictures today?

Anonymous

16:07

We could only find a fuckton of RJ45 to DB9

Anonymous

but it was fun to fabricate your own arcane cable and to see it work

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yawn => sleep => peeking into the room

Faheem Mitha

Ok, here's another question. Do Windows drivers for a MB ever depend on the BIOS being an up to date version?

qasdfdsaq

Nope

Ramhound

Haswell is 4th generation, entirely up to Intel to remove the I/O

Hennes

16:12

Re COM ports. My brand new skylake build even has a com port.

Usually not. But they might fail on a broken firmware.
E.g. ACPI is often poorly implemented, and the OS often tries to interact with it.

allquixotic

You know how fucking hard it is to get Dell to tell you how many ports are on the GTX 970 they're shipping out in a standard desktop configuration?

DavidPostill

IIRC my old PalmV cradle had a serial port connector. To use it with my 1st lappy I had to buy a usb->serial converter.

qasdfdsaq

Why would you buy a GTX 970 from Dell? o_0

Bob

@allquixotic ...live chat not working for you?

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq It's not for me. It's for a friend who is an idiot with computers and is nowhere nearby.

Hennes

16:15

Why buy anything from dell which is not a business laptop or a server ?

Faheem Mitha

@Hennes Ok. Thank you.

allquixotic

@Hennes Because the XPS 8900 Special Edition plus my corporate discount plus the zero-interest 12 month installment plan was the best combination of price, payment options, and high-end GPU, all pre-assembled

Hennes

Dell gold (business) seems to work well enough.
But as a private person: RUn away from Dell

allquixotic

it's what my friend needs

Bob

@allquixotic You should see the disaster involving a couple HP desktops that came with a single onboard VGA connector and no expansion slots.

Not a single PCIe slot. No PCI. Nope.

allquixotic

16:16

oh, I already know how many PCIe slots this thing comes with

I even know what motherboard it has, and how many connectors for various monitors the motherboard has

Hennes

Dell 745's.... Some with other connectors on the motherboard than other optiplex 645...

fun

allquixotic

but I can't for the life of me find out if the GTX 970 is one of those shitty ones with like 2 ports, or if it has 3 x DisplayPort like some others

Bob

Hacking dual-monitor support into that thing was ... fun. Did I mention no USB 3.0?

@allquixotic Wait, what? Don't Dell use custom mobos?

allquixotic

Compare, for example: newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487088

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G3RH5068

yet another: newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500362

Bob

@allquixotic Can't you just ask them (live chat, etc.)?

Hennes

16:18

A script on that newweg page stopped responding. fun

allquixotic

@Bob doing that now, they're giving me the run-around

Bob

@allquixotic Close the window, wait 5 mins, and try again? lol

Usually they just answer straight-off for me...

Hennes

Mind you. 5 ports does not mean 5 useable ports.
E.g. my 960 has **either** the DVI port, or two DP ports

Bob

Maybe a 5-min delay cause they're in the middle of 20 conversations at once.

@allquixotic Any chance it's this one? accessories.us.dell.com/sna/…

allquixotic

Bob

16:21

Single fan o.O

> Max Resolution

4096 x 2160
Max Resolution Details

DVI: 2560 x 1600 / DisplayPort: 2560 x 1600 / HDMI: 4096 x 2160
Max Monitors Supported

4
Interfaces

DVI-I (dual link) ¦ 3 x DisplayPort ¦ Mini-HDMI ¦ VGA - with adapter ¦ HDMI - with adapter

allquixotic

@Bob the SKU is 490-BCZJ; not sure of the "part number"

dell.com/us/p/xps-8900-desktop/…

I'm not dumb, am I? it doesn't say anything on that page, does it?

(I also checked the manuals, etc)

how do I map a SKU to a part number? :P

Bob

@allquixotic Any chance you could share the invoice? Or at least the line with the GPU?

Though a more private chat if you prefer :P

@allquixotic You still in the chat? "No, I would like to know how many ports are on the optional GTX 970 card, not the onboard ports."

allquixotic

they're "checking"

I said something to that effect already

Hennes

Heh, dell still offers optical drives.

Bob

@Hennes ...that's not weird at all

allquixotic

16:25

gitter

Ramhound

Garmin is funny

They advertise this on their newest product lines

"Battery life up to 1 hour"

Hennes

Why why? They have no been used since XP era.

qasdfdsaq

I dunno. Even gaming laptops still come with optical drives these days.

What a waste of space :-/

allquixotic

you can tell Lenovo when you place your order to s/optical/SSD/

Ramhound

COM is used for a great deal, used it in a project, to communicate with an FPGA on a project infact.

Bob

16:32

> There are several instances wher the chat gets disconnected. May I have your phone number to reach you, in case if chat gets disconnected

?!?!

allquixotic

got my answer, finally

Bob

lol

allquixotic

1 x Dual-Link DVI-I, 1 x HDMI 2.0, and 3 x DisplayPort 1.2

qasdfdsaq

Is the answer "Not as many as you need"?

Anonymous

@allquixotic usually that mapping is propietary unless somebody online already did it for you

qasdfdsaq

16:34

Whoa, that's a lot of ports

Bob

@allquixotic Sounds like the card I linked above.

Anonymous

@Ramhound yea, I think you can even use it as a GPIO if you really wanted to

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq nah; the dude has a VGA to HDMI active converter for his existing monitor, and I'll just tell him to go shopping for some DisplayPort native monitors

Bob

@allquixotic Funny thing, that. I got the same answer just after you said it :P

allquixotic

though I do wonder if he can use the HDMI and 2 of the DPs simultaneously

Anonymous

16:35

yesterday I was fooling around with a jetway micro ITX mobo

Anonymous

with like, 4 COM ports, an inverter, DC barrel jacks, GbE, etc.

Anonymous

as industrial as it can get

allquixotic

so my question now is, with a GTX 970 that has those ports listed above, does it actually let you connect up to all of the ports at once, or can you only use some subset of them?

Bob

@allquixotic Subset.

Anonymous

@allquixotic I bought an el-cheapo HDMI->VGA and it's kind of awful because of the amount of noise it adds: My blacks are black+every faint colour there can be

Anonymous

16:37

I'd just go full-DP if it wasn't that expensive

allquixotic

@Bob could I use all three DP ports at once at least?

Bob

@allquixotic Ok, based on my own chat session where they linked to the Nvidia reference design specs - I wouldn't be 100% sure they're actually talking about the card Dell uses -_-

I have the niggling suspicion that they just googled "GTX 970 ports"

Anonymous

can't somebody there just take a damn pic of the thing lol

allquixotic

I think that maybe they source their parts from many different board partners, so the exact card you get may depend on the luck of the draw

it's not uncommon for these consumer electronics companies to charge the same money and have the same SKUs for different products, and what you get depends on what's available on the shelf

Anonymous

... underterministic models... cool

allquixotic

16:44

like the iPhone 6S TSMC/Samsung thing

Anonymous

@allquixotic yea but in that case there's not a noticeable difference for the customer

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz battery life, there is

the TSMC is significantly more battery efficient

and sliiiiiiiightly faster (though you can't notice that with your eye, usually)

Anonymous

@allquixotic I knew about that but I didn't remember that it was that much battery

Anonymous

still, it's not a lack of functionality

allquixotic

especially since 99% of the stuff in the app store is coded to run smoothly on at least the iPhone 5C, if not something even older, so they can't go throwing a workload at it that'll only run well on the 6S Plus TSMC

qasdfdsaq

17:24

oscilatingcretin

is it safe to conclude that notepad2 is no longer in development? looks like it's been abandoned

allquixotic

@oscilatingcretin use notepad++

oscilatingcretin

that's what i use, but i also like notepad2 for its simple notepad-like qualities

allquixotic

there is notepad2-mod if you haven't seen it

oscilatingcretin

thx gonna have a look

allquixotic

17:27

> Latest commit b465206 4 days ago

I'd say it's maintained

about 2-3 commits per month

oscilatingcretin

word. looks like it has a shiny new overhaul compared to notepad2. looks like it's using a newer version of scintilla, too, because the horizontal scrolling issue is fixed

allquixotic

didn't think the 'fix' to your problem would be so easy ;p

Anonymous

17:43

@oscilatingcretin you could also try using Sublime Text, it's awesome

bwDraco

17:58

Big @firefox billboard at Canal and Bowery, New York City #ChooseIndependent https://t.co/ayRo9qGjrh

Tweeted by bwDraco on January 30, 2016 at 5:49 PM

@Bob ^^^^^

(I'm on my phone right now, can't stay for long)

At least LTE is working now.

allquixotic

@bwDraco nice :D

Wasabi Fan

19:00

Are there any Ubuntu PPAs that any of you are aware of that have new versions of ant (1.9+) and work with Ubuntu 12.04?

allquixotic

@WasabiFan can't you just grab it using Maven? mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.ant

Anonymous

PPAs are considered harmful

Wasabi Fan

Hmmmm... Can I install system-wide from the Maven repos?

I'm attempting to install on a CI server, so preferably just a replacement of the default ant command is best. But really anything that doesn't require me to check in Ant binaries is fine.

allquixotic

don't necessarily need system-wide

if you're using Jenkins, you should get the people who put packages onto your CI server to include a dependency on a newer maven in their pom.xml

put the onus on them

then just run the package or test goals from Jenkins

Wasabi Fan

I'm on Travis CI, so this'll need to be a home-grown solution ;) I think I can just manually download from the Maven repository as a pre-install hook and invoke the ant jars from the downloaded copies. I'll try that.

allquixotic

19:17

should be able to test it out on a trivial repo with one Java hello world, an ant build.xml requiring 1.9+, and a pom.xml

Wasabi Fan

If I have Maven download the ant jars, how can I invoke ant from a build script?

More specifically, where does it put them?

Anonymous

19:42

qasdfdsaq

@PatoSáinz Sigh

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq dat becky girl is so security conscious

qasdfdsaq

@PatoSáinz That's Taylor Swift.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq no it's becky

qasdfdsaq

@PatoSáinz You need an eye test.

jeffery

19:52

Anyone good with task scheduler arguments? I have a problem with ShareX but its a darn command line argument which has quotes in it. Here's the full string I type into command line (works only in command line): C:\Program Files\ShareX\ShareX -s -workflow "Active Window Screen Record"

I hate to make it into a post on super user because its only one little command line argument that's not working.

the workflow argument does not work in task scheduler.

Hennes

20:15

Not good with it, but I would guess you want something like:

"C:\Program Files\ShareX\ShareX" -s -workflow \"Active Window Screen Record\"

Quotes around the path to the program

Michael Frank

^ this. It'll be the space in Program Files

Hennes

and maybe somehow escape the second set of quotes.

No idea if part 2 is needed, and if it is how to do that on windows

Faheem Mitha

@JourneymanGeek I just thought I would let you know that the Win 10 VB didn't recognize USB either (and nothing I did made any difference) till I rebooted my computer. I didn't see why that would make any difference, but nothing else I tried worked. Over here we don't reboot computers till our backs are to the wall. Thanks for the hint.

Boris_yo

I wanna buy Harman Kardon speaker but it's only store pickup. Any service who offers assistance to pick from point A to point B?

@Psycogeek What's your thought on Vanguard?

DavidPostill

@jeffery You can do the whole task schedule thing from the command line, the following should work:

schtasks /create /tn "MyTask" /tr "\"C:\Program Files\ShareX\ShareX\" -s -workflow \"Active Window Screen Record\"" /sc ...

See ss64.com/nt/schtasks.html for more info and examples and for what to add where the ... is

Note the whole command is " quoted and the internal " are escaped with \

Michael Frank

20:50

@Boris_yo A Taxi?

allquixotic

@Bob The chat rep was correct; the actual unit has the connections that they said it does

qasdfdsaq

You got it already?

allquixotic

he did, yes - ordered it days ago

qasdfdsaq

lol

I see what you did there.

qasdfdsaq

21:20

OK I feel dirty

jeffery

@DavidPostill @DavidPostill It worked once I added the .exe to the end of the program name. would this work inside of task scheduler GUI or only in the command line?

DavidPostill

22:00

@jeffery I'm not sure, try it and see ;)

Faheem Mitha

22:35

Is the bar at the bottom of the screen in Win 7 called the system tray?

DavidPostill

The whole bar is call the Task Bar. The right hand side piece is the System Tray.

@FaheemMitha

Faheem Mitha

@DavidPostill All those tiny icons? That's not very convenient.

DavidPostill

@FaheemMitha They are not tiny on my screen it's a bad screenshot ;)

Click on that one is more like the real size ;)

Faheem Mitha

@DavidPostill Oh. Well, they're tiny here...

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